Re: Tuberose question from Darlene

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Subject: Re: Tuberose question from Darlene

> Are you sure you had real tuberose absolute and not synthetic? Even

the

> Perfumer's Workbook software only gives it 36 hours on a scent strip.

> It's the indoleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees, .

>Yep. True stuff. indoles and all.

~

Hi Darlene

Smoky smell in tuberose

The smoky scent in an tuberose absolute usually comes when the

evaporation of the solvent isn't done in proper vacuum during the

extraction process. Also if the flowers are kept for too long after

plucking some off odors appear

Another reason for the smoky smell could be adulteration in the absolute

Adulterations in the absolute are usually made with synthetic blends &

getting a perfect synthetic tuberose is one of the toughest jobs of a

perfumer most do have a smoky note in it present due to the creation of

methyl anthranilate + THMPQ (or Skatole) which makes a schiffs base

Even the schiffs base of Hydroxy + Methyl Anthranilate gives a smoky

note if not made properly

The absolute I use is from India & has no smoky smell attached to it

If you can use synthetics I would suggest experimenting with Methyl

Laitone or Undecalactone gamma that will definetly increase the milky

note & reduce the smoky note in the absolute

Or if u want to use only Naturals try Jasmin Absolute

Also try adding a trcae amount of Celery seed oil in the absolute I find

that celery gives amazing lifting effects to tuberose

Perfumers Workbook

I have had an opportunity to work Closely with Steve (the owner of

Perfumers workbook) in the past couple of years & he will be the first

to tell you that do not go by the data given in the Workbook as it is

his personal database with a compilation of many many others & materials

from one country differ 180 Deg from that of another

I have also worked with him on the newer version of the workbook (I have

a beta Version. It is not out as yet) & a few values might change in the

newer version

Regards

Akshay

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Subject: Re: Tuberose question from Darlene

> Are you sure you had real tuberose absolute and not synthetic? Even

the

> Perfumer's Workbook software only gives it 36 hours on a scent strip.

> It's the indoleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees, .

>Yep. True stuff. indoles and all.

~

Hi Darlene

Smoky smell in tuberose

The smoky scent in an tuberose absolute usually comes when the

evaporation of the solvent isn't done in proper vacuum during the

extraction process. Also if the flowers are kept for too long after

plucking some off odors appear

Another reason for the smoky smell could be adulteration in the absolute

Adulterations in the absolute are usually made with synthetic blends &

getting a perfect synthetic tuberose is one of the toughest jobs of a

perfumer most do have a smoky note in it present due to the creation of

methyl anthranilate + THMPQ (or Skatole) which makes a schiffs base

Even the schiffs base of Hydroxy + Methyl Anthranilate gives a smoky

note if not made properly

The absolute I use is from India & has no smoky smell attached to it

If you can use synthetics I would suggest experimenting with Methyl

Laitone or Undecalactone gamma that will definetly increase the milky

note & reduce the smoky note in the absolute

Or if u want to use only Naturals try Jasmin Absolute

Also try adding a trcae amount of Celery seed oil in the absolute I find

that celery gives amazing lifting effects to tuberose

Perfumers Workbook

I have had an opportunity to work Closely with Steve (the owner of

Perfumers workbook) in the past couple of years & he will be the first

to tell you that do not go by the data given in the Workbook as it is

his personal database with a compilation of many many others & materials

from one country differ 180 Deg from that of another

I have also worked with him on the newer version of the workbook (I have

a beta Version. It is not out as yet) & a few values might change in the

newer version

Regards

Akshay

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--- Akshay Bhatia

<akshaybhatia@...> wrote:

> Subject: Re: Tuberose question

> from Darlene

>

> > Are you sure you had real tuberose absolute and

> not synthetic? Even

> the

> ~

>

> Regards

> Akshay

I just received a sample from EDEN BOTANICALS of

Tuberrose Absolute which I would like to reccommend to

the group as it does NOT contain any odor other than

Tuberose. Quite marvelous really good!!

Per Fume lover

BB

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--- Akshay Bhatia

<akshaybhatia@...> wrote:

> Subject: Re: Tuberose question

> from Darlene

>

> > Are you sure you had real tuberose absolute and

> not synthetic? Even

> the

> ~

>

> Regards

> Akshay

I just received a sample from EDEN BOTANICALS of

Tuberrose Absolute which I would like to reccommend to

the group as it does NOT contain any odor other than

Tuberose. Quite marvelous really good!!

Per Fume lover

BB

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

> The absolute I use is from India & has no smoky smell attached to it

> If you can use synthetics I would suggest experimenting with Methyl

> Laitone or Undecalactone gamma that will definetly increase the milky

> note & reduce the smoky note in the absolute

> Or if u want to use only Naturals try Jasmin Absolute

> Also try adding a trcae amount of Celery seed oil in the absolute I find

> that celery gives amazing lifting effects to tuberose

>

> Perfumers Workbook

> I have had an opportunity to work Closely with Steve (the owner of

> Perfumers workbook) in the past couple of years & he will be the first

> to tell you that do not go by the data given in the Workbook as it is

> his personal database with a compilation of many many others & materials

> from one country differ 180 Deg from that of another

> I have also worked with him on the newer version of the workbook (I have

> a beta Version. It is not out as yet) & a few values might change in the

> newer version

>

> Regards

> Akshay

>

Hi Akshay,

In your experience, how long does Tuberose last on a test strip? I have a

tuberose which

has remained perceptable on the test strip for well over a week.

Thank you!

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Re: Tuberose question from Darlene

Hi Akshay,

In your experience, how long does Tuberose last on a test strip? I have

a tuberose which

has remained perceptable on the test strip for well over a week.

Thank you!

Hi

The tuberose Abs I have is from Madurai (South India) & Lasts for Approx

60 Hours

1 Week (160+ Hours) is a bit unusual but with naturals one never knows

it might be a quality I never came across

Adulterations with Schiffs base (though uncommon) cannot be ruled out

Ever since the start of this topic I have been playing around with

tuberose abs

Using tuberose along with Geranium sandalwood & some neroli with trace

amount of civet ( & I used a synthetic civet base) along with a few

synthetics (esp undecalactone gamma) gives a smell somewhat

Similar to Poison by Dior

Any ideas as how to get a peach like note using naturals???? Ne peach

extract available in the market??

Cheers

Akshay

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>(snipped) Any ideas as how to get a peach like note using naturals???? Ne

peach

> extract available in the market??

> Cheers

> Akshay

>

You know, I was just thinking about fruity scents myself. Osmanthus has a

apricot-floral

aroma. And I find that jasmine sambac and cognac together have a grape-like

quality.

Chamomile Romaine kind of has an apple nuance. But I am not sure about what

could

make peach. I would love to hear about the experiences of the group with regard

to fruit

aromas!!

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>

> Any ideas as how to get a peach like note using naturals???? Ne peach

> extract available in the market??

> Cheers

> Akshay

>

Hi, try C14

just kidding!

Actually you should be familiar with Davana EO (Artemisia pallens Wall)

with a touch of lemon. Good luck!

n

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>

>

> >(snipped) Any ideas as how to get a peach like note using

naturals???? Ne peach

> > extract available in the market??

> > Cheers

> > Akshay

> >

>

> You know, I was just thinking about fruity scents myself. Osmanthus

has a apricot-floral

> aroma. And I find that jasmine sambac and cognac together have a

grape-like quality.

> Chamomile Romaine kind of has an apple nuance. But I am not sure

about what could

> make peach. I would love to hear about the experiences of the group

with regard to fruit

> aromas!!

>

Hi, I was able to get a peachy scent with mostly bergamot EO with some

home made rose tincture, a touch of lemon tincture and a trace of

neroli EO. Within two weeks of maturing it became intoxicating!

Good!

n

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