Re: Tuberose question from Darlene

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At 03:10 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote:

Hi Anya,

This is interesting. I ordered some tuberose absolute and just received

it....when I smelled it from the bottle it did indeed have a smoky ashtray smell

to it. It smelled better when I dabbed some on my wrist, but I don't really like

it. It is diluted .......I need to find out what they diluted it with....maybe

that's the source of the ash tray like smell. I'm going to try buying some

undiluted from another source and see how it smells.

I bought it from Natures Gift Aromatherapy Products

(http://www.naturesgift.com/) I am looking at my invoice now and it states

that what I ordered was Tuberose Absolute 10% in JoJoba. It sure does not

smell very good.

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>

I ordered some tuberose absolute and just received it....when I

smelled it from the bottle it did indeed have a smoky ashtray smell to

it. It smelled better when I dabbed some on my wrist, but I don't

really like it... Tuberose Absolute 10% in JoJoba. It sure does not

smell very good.

>

I have had the same experience, but from a different supplier, so I

think it is the absolute itself! (sobs!) I LOVE tuberose...It is my

FAVORITE, in fact, in other perfumes. I am afraid that I am in love

with the synthetic!Say it isn't so...

Anyone experienced with tuberose, please comment. I desperately want

to create pleasent, nay, captivating fragrances with tuberose!What

should we blend it with to give it that creamy, white, sweet floral,

and do away with the thick, ashy smell?

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-----Original Message-----

Anyone experienced with tuberose, please comment. I desperately want

to create pleasent, nay, captivating fragrances with tuberose!What

should we blend it with to give it that creamy, white, sweet floral,

and do away with the thick, ashy smell?

Hello!

First I have to say that all tuberose is not created equal. I've purchased

Tuberose absolute from different suppliers that smelled like burnt rubber

mixed with cigarette ashes. When it smells that bad, I'm not sure if you can

do anything about it. They carry a wonderful Tuberose absolute at Eden

Botanicals. I have some, and it doesn't have any ashy notes at all, even

undiluted. It really is wonderful. Sometimes Tuberose can be blended with a

little bit of Jasmine Grandiflorum absolute to bring out the tropical

creaminess. I have a gorgeous gorgeous Jasmine that I purchased at Samara

Botane. It's very expensive, but worth every penny.

Cheers and good luck to you!

Miss Pixie

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At 03:38 PM 12/3/2005, you wrote:

> Hello!

> First I have to say that all tuberose is not created equal. I've purchased

>Tuberose absolute from different suppliers that smelled like burnt rubber

>mixed with cigarette ashes. When it smells that bad, I'm not sure if you can

>do anything about it. They carry a wonderful Tuberose absolute at Eden

>Botanicals. I have some, and it doesn't have any ashy notes at all, even

>undiluted. It really is wonderful.

I agree with the Serene Pixie. The tuberose from Eden is gorgeous.

>Sometimes Tuberose can be blended with a

>little bit of Jasmine Grandiflorum absolute to bring out the tropical

>creaminess. I have a gorgeous gorgeous Jasmine that I purchased at Samara

>Botane. It's very expensive, but worth every penny.

I'm working on a gardenia-dupe with tuberose and grandi and champaca alba.

Not great so far, so I'll be adding some other tropical whites, like white

lotus. I'll report back.

Anya

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> I have had the same experience, but from a different supplier, so I

> think it is the absolute itself! (sobs!) I LOVE tuberose...It is my

> FAVORITE, in fact, in other perfumes. I am afraid that I am in love

> with the synthetic!Say it isn't so...

>

> Anyone experienced with tuberose, please comment. I desperately want

> to create pleasent, nay, captivating fragrances with tuberose!What

> should we blend it with to give it that creamy, white, sweet floral,

> and do away with the thick, ashy smell?

>

the best tuberose tincture

i've smelled i got from profumo. i loved it so much

that i started experimenting myself. i bought the tuberose absolute

from liberty natural and tinctured it way down in 190 alcohol and it's

fairly close to his (but not completely).

i brought a stalk of tuberose into my shop so that people could

compare the tincture with the flower, which match really well!

but some people still preferred the synthetic tuberose that i also

have. what was really funny and interesting was seeing the reactions

of people who came into the shop asking for " real " tuberose, then

finding out that the scent that they associated with " real " tuberose

was actually the synthetic. their eyes would widen when they smelled

the actual flower side by side with the essences.

next i want to smell various species of tuberose, and

absolutes from different sources to see how different

they are. i think i need a trip to Hawaii!

-linda

The Perfumer's Apprentice

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on 12/3/05 12:38 PM, Serena at pixie_scented@... wrote:

-----Original Message-----

Anyone experienced with tuberose, please comment. I desperately want

to create pleasent, nay, captivating fragrances with tuberose!What

should we blend it with to give it that creamy, white, sweet floral,

and do away with the thick, ashy smell?

Hello!

First I have to say that all tuberose is not created equal. I've purchased

Tuberose absolute from different suppliers that smelled like burnt rubber

mixed with cigarette ashes. When it smells that bad, I'm not sure if you can

do anything about it. They carry a wonderful Tuberose absolute at Eden

Botanicals. I have some, and it doesn't have any ashy notes at all, even

undiluted. It really is wonderful. Sometimes Tuberose can be blended with a

little bit of Jasmine Grandiflorum absolute to bring out the tropical

creaminess. I have a gorgeous gorgeous Jasmine that I purchased at Samara

Botane. It's very expensive, but worth every penny.

Cheers and good luck to you!

Miss Pixie

Hi all,

A quick update on our Tuberose Absolute. The feedback on it was wonderful

from everyone who received it, without exception (thanks Miss Pixie!).

However, we are currently out of stock (it went fast!), but we have more on

order and are expecting it back in stock by the end of the year. I also love

a good Tuberose, and was very suprised to see how long it lasts on an aroma

strip. It is very tenacious. Try it! By the way, what do perfumers consider

it as - a base note, middle note? And who has, or where could I find, the

best (most realiable and inclusive) listing of the essential oils

catagorized as to their corresponding note?

As a reminder to folks, when comparing oils from different sources please do

not rely only on the aroma that comes out of the bottle. Especially if the

bottles are different sizes! Also place some (an equal amount) on an aroma

strip or blotter paper and experience it over time.

One more thing - in our December Ad, we listed Myrrh essential oil from

Ethiopia. My mistake - it is from Somalia (my memory gets me into trouble

sometimes...we used to have one from Ethiopia). And it is a very nice Myrrh.

Ciao,

Will Lapaz

Eden Botanicals

Pure Essential Oils, Absolutes & CO2 Extracts

www.edenbotanicals.com

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I got my Tuberose from awomanofuncommonscents.com

and I love it. No ashtray notes. Just beautiful floral.

Dorothy

Dorothy McCall, Cert. Aroma.

Kingsbury Fragrances

The Royal York

3955 Bigelow Blvd. Ste. 907

Pittsburgh, PA. 15213

(412) 687-2720

www.kingsburyfragrances.com

" Vibrating aromatic threads speak of the Divine through tapestries of scent "

Dorothy McCall Cert. Aroma.

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>

> I got my Tuberose from awomanofuncommonscents.com

> and I love it. No ashtray notes. Just beautiful floral.

> Dorothy

got mine from White Lotus. Love it! At one time, offered two

Tuberoses - one from North India and one from South India. Both are super

creamy anf floral - no burt note~ really love the North Indian product.

Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be carrying that one anymore.

Eden's Tuberose I have as well - absolutely delicious and has a great spice

depth to it in addition the creamy notes!

~

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> Hi all,

>

> A quick update on our Tuberose Absolute. The feedback on it was wonderful

> from everyone who received it, without exception (thanks Miss Pixie!).

> However, we are currently out of stock (it went fast!), but we have more on

> order and are expecting it back in stock by the end of the year.

Just when everyone has me worked into a frenzy to try Eden's Tuberose!!!

sigh...just as

well, having just been socked with an over $800 bill from the vet for routine

doggie visits

and my poor sick cat. Pets and perfumes, two expensive passions to be sure!

[Guest guest]

> (snipped) i brought a stalk of tuberose into my shop so that people could

> compare the tincture with the flower, which match really well!

> but some people still preferred the synthetic tuberose that i also

> have. what was really funny and interesting was seeing the reactions

> of people who came into the shop asking for " real " tuberose, then

> finding out that the scent that they associated with " real " tuberose

> was actually the synthetic. their eyes would widen when they smelled

> the actual flower side by side with the essences.

> next i want to smell various species of tuberose, and

> absolutes from different sources to see how different

> they are. i think i need a trip to Hawaii!

>

> -linda

> The Perfumer's Apprentice

>

That's funny how people are so conditioned to the synthetics. I often think of

the

difference between NP and synthetics as the difference between immitation grape

flavor

and real grape flavor - competely different, yet I imagine many people prefer

fake grape!

Tuberose is one of my favorite absolutes, so gorgeous and creamy, but synthetic

tuberose

fragrances smell so loud and brash to me.

, your shop sounds like an olfactory Disneyland - what fun it would be to

visit!!!

[Guest guest]

>

> I got my Tuberose from awomanofuncommonscents.com

> and I love it. No ashtray notes. Just beautiful floral.

> Dorothy

got mine from White Lotus. Love it! At one time, offered two

Tuberoses - one from North India and one from South India. Both are super

creamy anf floral - no burt note~ really love the North Indian product.

Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be carrying that one anymore.

Eden's Tuberose I have as well - absolutely delicious and has a great spice

depth to it in addition the creamy notes!

~

[Guest guest]

At 04:15 PM 12/3/2005, you wrote:

>A quick update on our Tuberose Absolute. The feedback on it was wonderful

>from everyone who received it, without exception (thanks Miss Pixie!).

>However, we are currently out of stock (it went fast!), but we have more on

>order and are expecting it back in stock by the end of the year. I also love

>a good Tuberose, and was very suprised to see how long it lasts on an aroma

>strip. It is very tenacious. Try it! By the way, what do perfumers consider

>it as - a base note, middle note? And who has, or where could I find, the

>best (most realiable and inclusive) listing of the essential oils

>catagorized as to their corresponding note?

Tuberose can weave between being a middle and a base note, Will, especially

if it is grounded with a floral-friendly fixative like orange peel wax

absolute (tinctured.)

As far as a listing of EOs/abs and their corresponding note -- it can vary!

OK, some will always be top notes, and base notes are pretty boom boom boom

noticable.

But many slip and slide up and down the scale in a composition, depending

on what they're paired with.

There are many books that give general guidelines for the notes. Shame on

you! Don't you have one? Look in our Files section, under books, and get

one. Tsk tsk. LOL -- and search our archives, as we've discussed lots about

this slippery quality of notes in the past.

Short story:

Top notes -- high, like a soprano, very volatile, make their presence known

immediately -- think citrus.

Heart -- the heavy florals like jasmine and rose, many greens, woods, light

resins.

Base -- " bass " boom boom, deeeeep. Vetiver, spikenard, musky notes.

Tenacious, hold the scent on the skin, noticable hours later. Slow to

evaporate.

Anya

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At 08:33 PM 12/3/2005, you wrote:

>Just when everyone has me worked into a frenzy to try Eden's Tuberose!!!

>sigh...just as

>well, having just been socked with an over $800 bill from the vet for

>routine doggie visits

>and my poor sick cat. Pets and perfumes, two expensive passions to be sure!

Too bad, , on both fronts -- no tuberose and sick babies. My oldest

cat, Boodles, is 17.5 now, and in pretty good health. Hopefully, Will will

announce when he gets tuberose of that quality in again.

Anya

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on 12/5/05 2:50 PM, Anya at mccoy@... wrote:

Tuberose can weave between being a middle and a base note, Will, especially

if it is grounded with a floral-friendly fixative like orange peel wax

absolute (tinctured.)

--- Yes, as I thought.

As far as a listing of EOs/abs and their corresponding note -- it can vary!

--- Yes, it is subjective and it varies depending on how one is using the

eo/abs. I think that some eos can " act " as a different note than what they

are normally classified as, depending on which other oils they are blending

with. In these cases I would still classify the eo in its " normal "

classification, and say that it is " acting " as a different kind of note in

that blend.

OK, some will always be top notes, and base notes are pretty boom boom boom

noticable.

--- Yes, these are the easy ones.

But many slip and slide up and down the scale in a composition, depending

on what they're paired with.

There are many books that give general guidelines for the notes. Shame on

you! Don't you have one? Look in our Files section, under books, and get

one.

--- Yes, plenty of books list such things but who is the definative

authority? Most of the books only list some oils. I am looking for a list I

can go to and feel comfortable with the information. (As I will often

disagree with many of the popular books on such subjective issues.) Usually

I just use my own judgement, however a colleage will see my choice and think

that it should be something different, and we will have to search through

various books, web sites etc. to see what other people think. It would be

awesome if there was a trusted list to use as a reference.

Tsk tsk. LOL -- and search our archives, as we've discussed lots about

this slippery quality of notes in the past.

--- Ok, I can try that...

Short story:

Top notes -- high, like a soprano, very volatile, make their presence known

immediately -- think citrus.

Heart -- the heavy florals like jasmine and rose, many greens, woods, light

resins.

Base -- " bass " boom boom, deeeeep. Vetiver, spikenard, musky notes.

Tenacious, hold the scent on the skin, noticable hours later. Slow to

evaporate.

--- The reason I brought this up with Tuberose, is because I tend to think

of the florals as top and mid-notes. Just as I think of the resins and

roots, etc. as mostly base notes. But, I was suprised that when we samples 4

or 5 different tuberose absolutes on aroma strips the aroma lasted for a

month, and then we tossed them out. Very tenacious, which suggests Base

note. Actually, I do not know how long the aroma of Tuberose will last on a

strip. It would be fun to compare it to other long lasting oils and see how

the winner is....

Roses and Jasmines are also tenaceous florals, but I remember them being as

tenaceous as the Tuberose.

Will

Eden Botanicals

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>

> Tuberose can weave between being a middle and a base note, Will,

especially

> if it is grounded with a floral-friendly fixative like orange peel wax

> absolute (tinctured.)

>

> --- Yes, as I thought.

>

> As far as a listing of EOs/abs and their corresponding note -- it can vary!

>

> --- Yes, it is subjective and it varies depending on how one is using the

> eo/abs. I think that some eos can " act " as a different note than what they

> are normally classified as, depending on which other oils they are blending

> with. In these cases I would still classify the eo in its " normal "

> classification, and say that it is " acting " as a different kind of note in

> that blend.

>

> OK, some will always be top notes, and base notes are pretty boom boom

boom

> noticable.

>

> --- Yes, these are the easy ones.

>

> But many slip and slide up and down the scale in a composition, depending

> on what they're paired with.

>

> There are many books that give general guidelines for the notes. Shame on

> you! Don't you have one? Look in our Files section, under books, and get

> one.

>

> --- Yes, plenty of books list such things but who is the definative

> authority? Most of the books only list some oils. I am looking for a list I

> can go to and feel comfortable with the information. (As I will often

> disagree with many of the popular books on such subjective issues.)

Usually

> I just use my own judgement, however a colleage will see my choice and

think

> that it should be something different, and we will have to search through

> various books, web sites etc. to see what other people think. It would be

> awesome if there was a trusted list to use as a reference.

>

> Tsk tsk. LOL -- and search our archives, as we've discussed lots about

> this slippery quality of notes in the past.

>

> --- Ok, I can try that...

>

> Short story:

> Top notes -- high, like a soprano, very volatile, make their presence known

> immediately -- think citrus.

>

> Heart -- the heavy florals like jasmine and rose, many greens, woods, light

> resins.

>

> Base -- " bass " boom boom, deeeeep. Vetiver, spikenard, musky notes.

> Tenacious, hold the scent on the skin, noticable hours later. Slow to

> evaporate.

>

> --- The reason I brought this up with Tuberose, is because I tend to think

> of the florals as top and mid-notes. Just as I think of the resins and

> roots, etc. as mostly base notes. But, I was suprised that when we samples 4

> or 5 different tuberose absolutes on aroma strips the aroma lasted for a

> month, and then we tossed them out. Very tenacious, which suggests Base

> note. Actually, I do not know how long the aroma of Tuberose will last on a

> strip. It would be fun to compare it to other long lasting oils and see how

> the winner is....

>

> Roses and Jasmines are also tenaceous florals, but I remember them being

as

> tenaceous as the Tuberose.

>

> Will

> Eden Botanicals

>

Hey Will~

I am in total agreement with you -

There is NO definitive source on " scental notation, " though I would say Mandy

Aftel's observations more closely parallel my own. And even then - Tuberose

for example.... she lists it as a middle note.....

Tuberose has lasted on my Orlandi strips for more than 60 days! & from

MORE than a few sources! DEFINITE BASS NOTE!!!!!

middle note my a..!

Funny thing.. I was diving back in to this very subject myself today -

To me, florals are the 'invitationary dancers!' - the 'forerunners' as Kahlil

Gibran might comment in this analogy -

Tuberose, like Jasmine resounds deeeeeeeeeeeeeep!

lasts deeeeeeeeeeeeep!

~

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> (Snipped) Actually, I do not know how long the aroma of Tuberose will last on

a

> strip. It would be fun to compare it to other long lasting oils and see how

> the winner is....

>

> Roses and Jasmines are also tenaceous florals, but I remember them being as

> tenaceous as the Tuberose.

>

> Will

> Eden Botanicals

Hi Will,

Something that may interest you: Pouchers Perfumes Cosmetics and Soaps has a

" Duration

of evaporation table " in which materials were given coefficients 1-100 acording

to how

long they were perceived on a smelling strip. Tuberose absolute is given the

coefficient 43

and is categorized as a middle note, as are jasmine and rose absolute. (whereas

the

coefficient of 100 is given to benzoin, birch tar, Tolu balsam, patchouli, along

with a

number of other base note materials).

Oh, I am looking forward to trying your tuberose when it becomes available for

order!!

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(moderator snipped excessive quoting)

" Duration

> of evaporation table " in which materials were given coefficients 1-100

acording to how > long they were perceived on a smelling strip. Tuberose

absolute is given the coefficient 43 > and is categorized as a middle note, as

are jasmine and rose absolute.

(whereas the > coefficient of 100 is given to benzoin, birch tar, Tolu balsam,

patchouli, along with a > number of other base note materials).

>

> Oh, I am looking forward to trying your tuberose when it becomes available for

order!!

>

>

>

, All...

Poucher's evp. table is SUBJECTIVE. Where is the science?

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At 11:04 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:

> >

>, All...

>

>Poucher's evp. table is SUBJECTIVE. Where is the science?

Gosh, people sure seem fired up about subjective/objective/whatevertive

tonight. I have many books, and the Perfumer's Workbook software, and

they all have various rough timelines of how long it takes a volatile oil

to dissipate, sometimes using different phrases. Doesn't have to be an

exact science, since it is an art, also, in observing the ways aromatics

react to air, temperature, humidity, etc.

I also don't believe that longevity is the sole criteria for labeling

something a basenote. The nature of the aromatic also enters into the

picture, at least for me.

Anya

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> (moderator snipped excessive quoting)

>

> " Duration

> > of evaporation table " in which materials were given coefficients 1-100

acording to

how > long they were perceived on a smelling strip. Tuberose absolute is given

the

coefficient 43 > and is categorized as a middle note, as are jasmine and rose

absolute.

> (whereas the > coefficient of 100 is given to benzoin, birch tar, Tolu balsam,

patchouli,

along with a > number of other base note materials).

> >

> > Oh, I am looking forward to trying your tuberose when it becomes available

for order!!

> >

> >

> >

> , All...

>

> Poucher's evp. table is SUBJECTIVE. Where is the science?

, all,

Well, of course I realize that it is subjective. We have all noticed the

variations in

categorization of top, middle or base in the various books on perfumery.

Poucher simply

published the results of his own experiment (his procedure is detailed in his

book). I am

SURE if anyone duplicated the authors experiment it would come out differently

depending

on any one of a number of variables. Everyone has a different perception of odor

and I

certainly think that the best way to get an accurate appreciation for materials

is to carry

your own experiments. No book can ever replace hands-on (nose-on?) learning.

But, if

you are interested in the results of an experiment carried out by a respected

perfume

researcher and author, the book by Poucher contains an interesting chart.

[Guest guest]

Hey Will~

I am in total agreement with you -

There is NO definitive source on " scental notation, " though I would say

Mandy

Aftel's observations more closely parallel my own. And even then - Tuberose

for example.... she lists it as a middle note.....

Tuberose has lasted on my Orlandi strips for more than 60 days! & from

MORE than a few sources! DEFINITE BASS NOTE!!!!!

middle note my a..!

Funny thing.. I was diving back in to this very subject myself today -

To me, florals are the 'invitationary dancers!' - the 'forerunners' as

Kahlil

Gibran might comment in this analogy -

Tuberose, like Jasmine resounds deeeeeeeeeeeeeep!

lasts deeeeeeeeeeeeep!

~

Hi ,

Thanks for the info! More than 60 days, wow! It is testament that the oils

go into our skin...? Cuz even tuberose does not last too long when applied

to the skin, so, where does it go? Perhaps it makes our insides smell good

though (yea, but who's there to smell it?)...Actually, those billions of

little organisms in our gut could be going bonkers for 60 days!

BTW, you mention Mandy Aftels observations. I must admit that I do not have

her book (tsk, tsk again), but is that where these observations are?

Thanks!

Will

[Guest guest]

> >Just when everyone has me worked into a frenzy to try Eden's Tuberose!!!

> >sigh...just as

> >well, having just been socked with an over $800 bill from the vet for

> >routine doggie visits

> >and my poor sick cat. Pets and perfumes, two expensive passions to be sure!

>

> Too bad, , on both fronts -- no tuberose and sick babies. My oldest

> cat, Boodles, is 17.5 now, and in pretty good health. Hopefully, Will will

> announce when he gets tuberose of that quality in again.

>

>

> Anya

How wonderful that your Boodles is a healthy senior! I saw a program on tv

about a cat

named " Grampa rex " - he lived until 36! Of course, I would love for my Sammy to

have

such a long, healthy life. His ailment is really a mystery, some sort of acute

kidney failure

which he appears to be bouncing back from - though he still looks pretty

miserable.

Of course, I was worried that he somehow got into my essential oils, as I know

how toxic

they can be to kitties, but he really does not go into the studio area (shared

with my

husband and lots of art supplies!)

Do your cats seem interested in your eo? I am trying to figure out a

baby-proofing

solution for the studio, we are going to put up a baby gate and I will likely

get some sort

of locking cabinet. Does anyone have any child-proof storage suggestions?

Take care,

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From:

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Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:19 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Tuberose question from Darlene

At 11:04 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:

> >

>, All...

>

>Poucher's evp. table is SUBJECTIVE. Where is the science?

Gosh, people sure seem fired up about

subjective/objective/whatevertive

tonight. I have many books, and the Perfumer's Workbook software,

and

they all have various rough timelines of how long it takes a

volatile oil

to dissipate, sometimes using different phrases. Doesn't have to be

an

exact science, since it is an art, also, in observing the ways

aromatics

react to air, temperature, humidity, etc.

I also don't believe that longevity is the sole criteria for

labeling

something a basenote. The nature of the aromatic also enters into

the

picture, at least for me.

I think it might be that we are all tired of dealing with Mercury retrograde

and happy to see that oppressive anomaly lift for a while. Whew! The

strange stories we could all probably tell.

Using the evaporation observation is useful to a point (probably more so for

the commercial endeavor), but agree with you that the *art* will have a life

of its own and never follow any set rules. What you blend with a particular

ingredient will also change that ingredient as it becomes part of the

composition, yes? And, since we intend to use perfume on our bodies, our

personal chemistry comes into play at some point, creating myriad odor and

sustaining possibilities. Just as the artist carves and waxes a stone for a

lithograph, when the print is finally pulled, it will have unexpected

nuances and personality derived from the *process* not entirely the artist's

full intention. This departure from a set mold is what makes any art

exciting, I believe, and gives individual uniqueness. How utterly boring if

not.

Be Strong,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane http://www.wingedseed.com

" When the power of love becomes stronger than the love of power, we will

have peace. "

Jimi Hendrix

[Guest guest]

> I think it might be that we are all tired of dealing with Mercury retrograde

> and happy to see that oppressive anomaly lift for a while. Whew! The

> strange stories we could all probably tell.

>

> Using the evaporation observation is useful to a point (probably more so for

> the commercial endeavor), but agree with you that the *art* will have a life

> of its own and never follow any set rules. What you blend with a particular

> ingredient will also change that ingredient as it becomes part of the

> composition, yes? And, since we intend to use perfume on our bodies, our

> personal chemistry comes into play at some point, creating myriad odor and

> sustaining possibilities. Just as the artist carves and waxes a stone for a

> lithograph, when the print is finally pulled, it will have unexpected

> nuances and personality derived from the *process* not entirely the artist's

> full intention. This departure from a set mold is what makes any art

> exciting, I believe, and gives individual uniqueness. How utterly boring if

> not.

>

> Be Strong,

> Marcia Elston, Samara Botane http://www.wingedseed.com

> " When the power of love becomes stronger than the love of power, we will

> have peace. "

> Jimi Hendrix

>

I like your analogy...my favorite part of printmaking is the little bit of

" surprise " in the final

result. (and of course, the surprise element improved my artwork in a way I had

not truly

anticipated, I would always think to myself " yes-sure, I meant to do that! ).

Best,

[Guest guest]

>Tuberose has lasted on my Orlandi strips for more than 60 days! &

from

>MORE than a few sources! DEFINITE BASS NOTE!!!!!

>middle note my a..!

Are you sure you had real tuberose absolute and not synthetic? Even

the

Perfumer's Workbook software only gives it 36 hours on a scent

strip.

I have to agree with Anya, . I came up with a middle note, as well,

albeit a *heavy* floral, definitely not a basic note.

Be well,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane, http://www.wingedseed.com/katrina.htm

" First of all, cultivate a contented spirit; a garden is a good place to

begin. "

[Guest guest]

Re: Tuberose question from Darlene

>

its

> >and my poor sick cat. Pets and perfumes, two expensive passions to be sure!

>

> Too bad, , on both fronts -- no tuberose and sick babies. My oldest

> cat, Boodles, is 17.5 now, and in pretty good health. Hopefully, Will will

> announce when he gets tuberose of that quality in again.

>

>

> Anya

Do your cats seem interested in your eo? I am trying to figure out a

baby-proofing

solution for the studio, we are going to put up a baby gate and I will likely

get some sort

of locking cabinet. Does anyone have any child-proof storage suggestions?

Take care,

Hi,

So sorry to hear about the sick kitties. I have two babies as I hear it from

neighbors of mine who have senior kitties too. Mine are only 4 and 8. Neither

one of them is interested in eos at all, not even the skunk oil, although they

seem to " chill out " when I'm playing with my scents. I think they pick up on

the fact that it is relaxing for me and get real relaxed too.

Jane