Re: Alternatives to perfumer's alcohol?

[Guest guest]

Serena wrote:

> Bonjour!

>

> Has anyone tried any kind of alternative to alcohol for making perfume

> sprays?

> I've been having reactions to the alcohol lately and have stopped selling my

> eau de parfums and eau de toiletts.

> I'm trying to work out a natural way to blend the perfume essences into

> water to create a sprayable solution.

> I really don't want to use anything harsh and chemical though.

You need an emulsifier, such as one of the polysorbates. They don't

qualify as natural, but as far as I know, they're considered harmless.

-Xplo

[Guest guest]

Serena wrote:

> Bonjour!

>

> Has anyone tried any kind of alternative to alcohol for making perfume

> sprays?

> I've been having reactions to the alcohol lately and have stopped selling my

> eau de parfums and eau de toiletts.

> I'm trying to work out a natural way to blend the perfume essences into

> water to create a sprayable solution.

> I really don't want to use anything harsh and chemical though.

You need an emulsifier, such as one of the polysorbates. They don't

qualify as natural, but as far as I know, they're considered harmless.

-Xplo

[Guest guest]

At 08:03 PM 10/21/2005, you wrote:

>Bonjour!

>

>Has anyone tried any kind of alternative to alcohol for making perfume

>sprays?

>I've been having reactions to the alcohol lately and have stopped selling my

>eau de parfums and eau de toiletts.

>I'm trying to work out a natural way to blend the perfume essences into

>water to create a sprayable solution.

>I really don't want to use anything harsh and chemical though.

>

>~Pixie

Hi Pixie

Is it possible it's not the alcohol but instead the high percentage of

aromatics? Why would you stop selling them if it's only you having the

reaction? Have your tried adding glycerine? Many say that softens the

alcohol, and I would also look at the percentages, whether or not your

using known sensitizers or irritants (and omit them from the blend, subbing

something else in the reformulation, or omitting the scent entirely), or

perhaps if you need to look to liver herbs.

I truly believe that sometimes we just overtax our livers, and that can

result in skin or other immune problems. Also, I know you make some

natural, and some natural/synthetic perfumes. Possible the problem is with

synthetics? Not discounting the naturals, though, since many are powerful

sensitizer or irritants. It may be a bit of a puzzle until you figure it out.

First step: Try using alcohol/water straight on your skin and see if you

get a reaction.

Anya

http://.com

The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural Perfume

" The Age of the Foodie is passé. It is now the Age of the Scentie. "

[Guest guest]

At 08:03 PM 10/21/2005, you wrote:

>Bonjour!

>

>Has anyone tried any kind of alternative to alcohol for making perfume

>sprays?

>I've been having reactions to the alcohol lately and have stopped selling my

>eau de parfums and eau de toiletts.

>I'm trying to work out a natural way to blend the perfume essences into

>water to create a sprayable solution.

>I really don't want to use anything harsh and chemical though.

>

>~Pixie

Hi Pixie

Is it possible it's not the alcohol but instead the high percentage of

aromatics? Why would you stop selling them if it's only you having the

reaction? Have your tried adding glycerine? Many say that softens the

alcohol, and I would also look at the percentages, whether or not your

using known sensitizers or irritants (and omit them from the blend, subbing

something else in the reformulation, or omitting the scent entirely), or

perhaps if you need to look to liver herbs.

I truly believe that sometimes we just overtax our livers, and that can

result in skin or other immune problems. Also, I know you make some

natural, and some natural/synthetic perfumes. Possible the problem is with

synthetics? Not discounting the naturals, though, since many are powerful

sensitizer or irritants. It may be a bit of a puzzle until you figure it out.

First step: Try using alcohol/water straight on your skin and see if you

get a reaction.

Anya

http://.com

The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural Perfume

" The Age of the Foodie is passé. It is now the Age of the Scentie. "

[Guest guest]

-----Original Message-----

You need an emulsifier, such as one of the polysorbates. They don't

qualify as natural, but as far as I know, they're considered harmless.

-Xplo

Thank You for the tip.

I was thinking about using polysorbates. I 'll give that a try.

[Guest guest]

-----Original Message-----

You need an emulsifier, such as one of the polysorbates. They don't

qualify as natural, but as far as I know, they're considered harmless.

-Xplo

Thank You for the tip.

I was thinking about using polysorbates. I 'll give that a try.

[Guest guest]

-----Original Message-----

Is it possible it's not the alcohol but instead the high percentage of

aromatics? Why would you stop selling them if it's only you having the

reaction? Have your tried adding glycerine?I truly believe that sometimes

we just overtax our livers, and that can

result in skin or other immune problems. Also, I know you make some

natural, and some natural/synthetic perfumes. Possible the problem is with

synthetics?

Hi Anya,

It could be a combination of both, but it's been going on for a while.

Severe headaches and nausea and skin rashes.

I guess I stopped selling them because I don't want to have those

reactions anymore. What really stinks is that alot of people don't like oil

based perfumes.

So, I'm looking for the alternative. I'm wondering if a water based

fragrance will have any sillage without the alcohol.

Fortunately I'm not using hardcore synthetics , and I'm definately leaning

more toward natural ingredients as time marches on.

The liver thing is also a possiblility. So much of the things we take for

granted in our everyday world are loaded with chemicals. I think liver

cleansing herbs are a great idea.

I'm taking an echinecea/goldenseal complex herbal extract that is showing

good results.

Thanks for your helpful advice!

~Pixie

[Guest guest]

-----Original Message-----

Is it possible it's not the alcohol but instead the high percentage of

aromatics? Why would you stop selling them if it's only you having the

reaction? Have your tried adding glycerine?I truly believe that sometimes

we just overtax our livers, and that can

result in skin or other immune problems. Also, I know you make some

natural, and some natural/synthetic perfumes. Possible the problem is with

synthetics?

Hi Anya,

It could be a combination of both, but it's been going on for a while.

Severe headaches and nausea and skin rashes.

I guess I stopped selling them because I don't want to have those

reactions anymore. What really stinks is that alot of people don't like oil

based perfumes.

So, I'm looking for the alternative. I'm wondering if a water based

fragrance will have any sillage without the alcohol.

Fortunately I'm not using hardcore synthetics , and I'm definately leaning

more toward natural ingredients as time marches on.

The liver thing is also a possiblility. So much of the things we take for

granted in our everyday world are loaded with chemicals. I think liver

cleansing herbs are a great idea.

I'm taking an echinecea/goldenseal complex herbal extract that is showing

good results.

Thanks for your helpful advice!

~Pixie

[Guest guest]

Serena, Could you be taking any medication that could be causing these skin

reactions with your product? That happened to one of my friends who was

taking Nexium for reflux.

Dorothy

Dorothy McCall, Cert. Aroma.

Kingsbury Fragrances

The Royal York

3955 Bigelow Blvd. Ste. 907

Pittsburgh, PA. 15213

(412) 687-2720

www.kingsburyfragrances.com

" Vibrating aromatic threads speak of the Divine through tapestries of scent "

Dorothy McCall Cert. Aroma.

[Guest guest]

Re: Alternatives to perfumer's alcohol?

Serena, Could you be taking any medication that could be causing these

skin

reactions with your product? That happened to one of my friends who was

taking Nexium for reflux.

Dorothy

Hi dorothy,

Yes, it is possible. I'm taking birth control pills and that may have

something to do with it too.

My skin is more sensitive lately.

~Serena

[Guest guest]

At 10:01 PM 10/21/2005, you wrote:

> -----Original Message-----

>

>

> Is it possible it's not the alcohol but instead the high percentage of

> aromatics? Why would you stop selling them if it's only you having the

> reaction? Have your tried adding glycerine?I truly believe that sometimes

>we just overtax our livers, and that can

> result in skin or other immune problems. Also, I know you make some

> natural, and some natural/synthetic perfumes. Possible the problem is with

> synthetics?

>

> Hi Anya,

> It could be a combination of both, but it's been going on for a while.

>Severe headaches and nausea and skin rashes.

> I guess I stopped selling them because I don't want to have those

>reactions anymore. What really stinks is that alot of people don't like oil

>based perfumes.

Hi Pixie,

Plus, some perfumes just smell better in alcohol, oil cuts the top notes

down too much.

> So, I'm looking for the alternative. I'm wondering if a water based

>fragrance will have any sillage without the alcohol.

I keep saying I'm going to try gel-based perfume composition, but never get

around to it. A friend recently took Jeanne Rose's course, and said

something about gel perfumes.

> Fortunately I'm not using hardcore synthetics , and I'm definately leaning

>more toward natural ingredients as time marches on.

Oh, instead of XXX synths, you're only using X synths :-)? Since I had a

chance to view your website, I wondered if it would be possible you

separate the all-naturals from the x-rated? I personally thought that might

raise your sales to all-natural lovers. JMHO, of course.

> The liver thing is also a possiblility. So much of the things we take for

>granted in our everyday world are loaded with chemicals. I think liver

>cleansing herbs are a great idea.

> I'm taking an echinecea/goldenseal complex herbal extract that is showing

>good results.

> Thanks for your helpful advice!

True liver impairment story: after 9/11, I turned to aromatics more than

ever for solace. I ordered a lot of absolutes and oils to supplement my

already-extensive collection, and would sit for hours at night sniffing one

after the other while watching TV. This went on for months, and I was

blending a lot then, also. In February, when I usually got my once-a-year

nasal allergy problem with mango pollen, instead of the usual one week

discomfort, I got really sick for six weeks. Even a touch of anosmia! No

taste buds, either. Conferred with some herbalist friends, and decided I

needed liver herbs like milk thistle and schizandra. Take one capsule of

each a day for the six months preceding the allergy season. OK, it worked!

I do not like taking too much of anything, so I have tapered it off to

maybe three months before.

I feel my liver had definitely been damaged by over-sniffing and just

overuse of the aromatics, and even sniffing alcohol can do such damage. So

work in a well-ventilated space, use scent strips to sniff your alcohol

blends, don't stick you nose over the bottle and sniff, and take liver

herbs, not fanatically, but a bit, to help yourself prophylactically, with

potential liver problems.

A healthy perfumer is a happy perfumer (especially when it doesn't progress

so far as to have you lose your sense of smell!)

Anya

http://.com

The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural Perfume

" The Age of the Foodie is passé. It is now the Age of the Scentie. "

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi dorothy,

> Yes, it is possible. I'm taking birth control pills and that may have

> something to do with it too.

> My skin is more sensitive lately.

>

> ~Serena

>

> B vitamin complex very helpful for skin support. Other group members may have

additional ideas.

Dorothy

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[Guest guest]

Oh, I read Anya's post re milk thistle. I take this everyday.

Dorothy

Dorothy McCall, Cert. Aroma.

Kingsbury Fragrances

The Royal York

3955 Bigelow Blvd. Ste. 907

Pittsburgh, PA. 15213

(412) 687-2720

www.kingsburyfragrances.com

" Vibrating aromatic threads speak of the Divine through tapestries of scent "

Dorothy McCall Cert. Aroma.