Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 Vilik Rapheles wrote: > > Topically, it has a very nice effect on skin: > >Revlon used to include it in its 'Eterna 21' product line. Powder > >from a capsule is mixed with an oil/water emulsion creme and rubbed > >into the skin. To enhance absorption, I also spray the area with > >rubbing alcohol (acetone would work, too). > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > Hilda wouldn't like the alchohol part. <smile> > What would Hilda make of menthol? It works as an absorption enhancer too, and smells a heck of alot better than acetone. Hildas doctrines have great currency in the Alternative Heresy field... I'm just curious if menthol has earned her anathema as well as all the other volitile compounds she indicts. Seems strange that the same enthusiasts after her program are likely to vaporize essential oils in their homes and use 'aromatherapy' compounds that are just as likely to pack into ones body-fat as benzene or toluene (benzene/toluene BAADDDD!) Apparently safarole, GOOOOOD? Glad you mentioned her and her " Hands of Light " hocum... do we have any defenders of her notions subscribed and willing to testify? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 , I have tried preg. before and liked the effects. I was taking about 60mg a day (I think, it's been a while) and had great results for about a month. I felt very strong, probably due to increased T., but after the month it turned on me and left me fatigued. I didn't have much knowledge on the product then, but I have learned that it is probably best to cycle it, say one week on and maybe a week off. Dale " K. B. " wrote: > Questions from me & a friend > progenalone: > A precursor to DHEA. > Does anybody here take it? > Any negatives experienced? > Any Positives experienced ? > Would DHEA be better? > > Thanks, > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: > 1/7078/14/_/164625/_/964012444/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 One worrisome thing about pregnenolone is that it it is also a precursor to cortisol (I think). If so then the fatigue feelings could have been a result of increased cortisol. GTS, Just the opposite is more liklely . Stress, stage II of Selye, can " hog " all the pregnenalone, leading to DHEA and sex hormone defeciencies. This is called the " cortisol steal syndrome " . For more info see Vol 2, lesson 5 of my free home anti-aging study course. Vitally yours, Dr. H. Maher, A.B.A.A.H.P. Editor, " Longevity News " subscribe@... http://www.RxforWellness.com " Your FREE Anti-Aging Home Study Course On-Line! " Re: progenalone > > > > > One worrisome thing about pregnenolone is that it it is also a precursor to > > cortisol (I think). If so then the fatigue feelings could have been a result > > of increased cortisol. > > > > -gts > > > I don't think I'm gonna' find tooo many real scholarly references to > forward, but I'll start looking about for mention of some property of > pregnenolone use that I've heard of. > > Supposedly using pregnenolone actually counters cortisol production or > utilization. > > More to follow.... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Find long lost high school friends: > 1/7080/14/_/164625/_/964293054/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 Re: progenalone > , > > I have tried preg. before and liked the effects. I was taking about 60mg a > day (I think, it's been a while) and had great results for about a month. I > felt very strong, probably due to increased T., but after the month it > turned on me and left me fatigued. One worrisome thing about pregnenolone is that it it is also a precursor to cortisol (I think). If so then the fatigue feelings could have been a result of increased cortisol. -gts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 > > One worrisome thing about pregnenolone is that it it is also a precursor to > cortisol (I think). If so then the fatigue feelings could have been a result > of increased cortisol. > > -gts I don't think I'm gonna' find tooo many real scholarly references to forward, but I'll start looking about for mention of some property of pregnenolone use that I've heard of. Supposedly using pregnenolone actually counters cortisol production or utilization. More to follow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 > PREGNENOLONE IMPROVES MEMORY IN ANIMAL STUDIES > > Several animal experiments reveal important clues to Pregnenolone's > beneficial effect on memory and learning ability. Pregnenolone seems to > reduce the excess release of, or reduce the negative effects of the adrenal > stress steroid hormone Cortisol. Cortisol is toxic at high levels. Both acute > and chronic stress release of excess Cortisol can damage the > hippocampus, a mid-brain region essential to memory formation and > retrieval. The mice experiment strongly suggests that Pregnenolone is > able to blunt the normal memory damaging effects of excess stress related > Cortisol. > http://www.intellex.com/~therave/pregmet2.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 > PREGNENOLONE IMPROVES MEMORY IN ANIMAL STUDIES > > Several animal experiments reveal important clues to Pregnenolone's > beneficial effect on memory and learning ability. Pregnenolone seems to > reduce the excess release of, or reduce the negative effects of the adrenal > stress steroid hormone Cortisol. Cortisol is toxic at high levels. Both acute > and chronic stress release of excess Cortisol can damage the > hippocampus, a mid-brain region essential to memory formation and > retrieval. The mice experiment strongly suggests that Pregnenolone is > able to blunt the normal memory damaging effects of excess stress related > Cortisol. > http://www.intellex.com/~therave/pregmet2.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 Interesting Nijusan but that same (commercial) web page from which you quoted states that " Pregenolone is the basic precursor for the production of ALL the human steroid hormones, including... Cortisone [and] Cortisol.. " How could supplementing with a hormone precursor inhibit production of the hormone? Usually it works in the opposite fashion, as we see with the andros. Perhaps the memory enhancing effects are due to the second explanation given below, in that preg might " reduce the negative effects of the adrenal stress steroid hormone Cortisol [in the brain] " . This would not preclude the possibility that preg increases production of cortisol which could cause fatigue even despite its other beneficial effects on memory. For those who don't know, cortisol is a catabolic hormone. It works in direct opposition to anabolic hormones like testosterone. -gts Re: progenalone > > > > PREGNENOLONE IMPROVES MEMORY IN ANIMAL STUDIES > > > > Several animal experiments reveal important clues to Pregnenolone's > > beneficial effect on memory and learning ability. Pregnenolone seems to > > reduce the excess release of, or reduce the negative effects of the adrenal > > stress steroid hormone Cortisol. Cortisol is toxic at high levels. Both acute > > and chronic stress release of excess Cortisol can damage the > > hippocampus, a mid-brain region essential to memory formation and > > retrieval. The mice experiment strongly suggests that Pregnenolone is > > able to blunt the normal memory damaging effects of excess stress related > > Cortisol. > > http://www.intellex.com/~therave/pregmet2.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Wish you had something rad to add to your email? > We do at www.supersig.com. > 1/6810/14/_/164625/_/964293808/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 Dr Maher, > One worrisome thing about pregnenolone is that it it is also a precursor to > cortisol (I think). If so then the fatigue feelings could have been a result > of increased cortisol. >-gts > GTS, > > Just the opposite is more liklely . Stress, stage II of Selye, can " hog " all > the pregnenalone, leading to DHEA and sex hormone defeciencies. > This is called the " cortisol steal syndrome " . I think your statement above only confirms what I was saying: that pregnenolone is a precursor to cortisol. That is why stress depletes preg: cortisol is released during stress and cortisol requires pregnenolone. Increased production of cortisol depletes preg, leading to sex hormone deficiencies. But there is nothing in your words above to suggest that cortisol will not increase when its precursor (preg) is added, especially in large amounts or when it is not deficient. Increased production of cortisol seems likely in that case, for the same reason that addition of dhea can increase production of sex hormones. -gts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 " Dr. H. Maher " wrote: > > One worrisome thing about pregnenolone is that it it is also a precursor to > cortisol (I think). If so then the fatigue feelings could have been a result > of increased cortisol. > > GTS, > This is called the " cortisol steal syndrome " . For more > info see Vol 2, lesson 5 of my free home anti-aging study course. > Jeez, Doc... I go to Vol.2, but see only lessons up to #4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 > > How could supplementing with a hormone precursor inhibit production of the > hormone? If it exists in this particular instance, it would be an example of " negative feed-forward regulation " . Happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 Jeez, Doc... > I go to Vol.2, but see only lessons up to #4. N., OOPS! Vol.1, lesson 5, " Stress, The Ultimate Ager! " Vitally yours, Dr. H. Maher, A.B.A.A.H.P. Editor, " Longevity News " subscribe@... http://www.RxforWellness.com " Your FREE Anti-Aging Home Study Course On-Line! " Re: progenalone > " Dr. H. Maher " wrote: > > > > One worrisome thing about pregnenolone is that it it is also a precursor to > > cortisol (I think). If so then the fatigue feelings could have been a result > > of increased cortisol. > > > > GTS, > > > This is called the " cortisol steal syndrome " . For more > > info see Vol 2, lesson 5 of my free home anti-aging study course. > > > > Jeez, Doc... > I go to Vol.2, but see only lessons up to #4. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Great brand name shoes at Zappos.com. > Click Here! > 1/7060/14/_/164625/_/964318755/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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