Guest guest Posted May 2, 2000 Report Share Posted May 2, 2000 children, let us all try to get along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2000 Report Share Posted May 2, 2000 It's obvious that Randy (bikeice@...) is attacking Gordon's reputation because he cannot refute Gordon's arguments. Gordon demonstrated conclusively that Randy was wrong to argue that finasteride (Propecia) causes cancer. Randy and Doc were both wrong about that, and wrong also about the alleged highly anabolic nature of DHT. People who cannot refute sound arguments about issues often degenerate to attacking the personalities and reputations of the people who made the sound arguments. Both Doc and Randy did exactly this to Gordon. This is the reason I criticized Doc so harshly in my earlier message, and it would seem the same criticisms can be made of Randy. These are full grown men acting like children. They ought to be ashamed of themselves. If I was Gordon I would just cancel their subscriptions to this mailing list. Why don't you do that Gordon? These people have been wrong about almost everything and they don't know how to debate like gentlemen. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2000 Report Share Posted May 2, 2000 > If I was Gordon I would just cancel their subscriptions to this > mailing list. Why don't you do that Gordon? These people have > been wrong about almost everything and they don't know how to > debate like gentlemen. That's not my style Jeff. I prefer to be just another participant here, rather than a heavy handed list owner. Also I am a loyal and dedicated member of the Libertarian Party. As such I am opposed to censorship and to all other kinds of oppression, including the sort of oppression that Randy obviously advocates concerning our health freedoms. I oppose the war on drugs and I advocate the abolition of the FDA. -gts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2000 Report Share Posted May 2, 2000 In a message dated 00-05-02 06:29:33 EDT, you write: << >> Proscar is a worthless drug. It simply is not used anymore as alpha blockade with Hytrin, Cardura or Flomax are far more effective and faster acting. Typically, patients will reduce their night-time urination frequency from 3- 6x/night to 1-2x/night within a few days of starting alpha blockade A double blind placebo controlled study found Proscar was totally ineffective at relieving BPH symptoms in mild and moderate cases. It only helped in men with huge prostates and then only after six months. None of the elderly men I see in our clinic are taking Proscar anymore. Their primary docs and urologists don't prescribe it since it is not effective. No study has ever shown taking Proscar prophylactically will prevent BPH. If it can't shrink mild to moderately enlarged prostates, why would we think it would prevent BPH? The Cote study suggests but does not prove that Proscar may increase the likelyhood of prostate CA. DHT is both anabolic and androgenic. The response in an individual to each of these components will be different in all of us. This is true for all anabolic/androgenic steroids. Bodybuilders have used DHT for sometime now to build strength and endurance. Obviously it works. DHT is also not the sole cause of prostate enlargement. There are many other contributing factors to BPH that have nothing to do with DHT. Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2000 Report Share Posted May 2, 2000 I am not " oppressing " anyone. I am simply arguing a point as you like to do. I am also a libertarain and would love to see the FDA at the very least be taken to task for their many crimes against US citizens. Currrently the FDA is trying to take away our ability to take vitamin/minrals and food supplements as we see fit through " harmonization " laws with the WTO. Our health freedoms are being taken away by government and the established drug cartel, certainly not by me! To say I am taking away health freedom is ridiculous and has no basis in fact. Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2000 Report Share Posted May 3, 2000 > I am not " oppressing " anyone. I am simply arguing a point as you > like to do. I am also a libertarain and would love.. You a libertarian? You're not even close, Randy. If you really believed in health freedom then you would not be on a witch hunt here to try to catch someone selling viagra without a prescription. I know about your deceitful investigative actions in your effort to catch me or others selling prescription meds. We don't need snakes in the grass like you. -gts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2000 Report Share Posted May 3, 2000 Randy wrote: > Anyone on this list wanting to see that Gordon did indeed offer > to sell to a new member Viagra may contact me at BikeIce@.... > I will be happy to forward or fax it Nobody would care even if it were true, which it isn't. You need to get a new hobby, inspector. -gts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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