Sandalwood CO2 Total

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Several years ago I got a bunch of sandalwood CO2 total from White Lotus

aromatics. It is

a very different material that the other sandalwood CO2s I have had a chance to

smell,

which were all " select " extracts. It is thick but pours very slowly,

translucent but not

transparent at all - it is like caramel, almost exactly, and has a distinct

sweet maple-like

note.

I'm wondering what to with this stuff. I know that CO2 totals have all kinds of

substances

not in essential oils, but haven't read about their chemistry much. I recall

reading that

there are often water-soluble substances mixed in, and the question is, can this

extract go

rancid? Any general word on CO2 extracts as needing special storage?

I am keeping it in the dark in containers with no airspace, but wonder if I

should mix it

with alcohol, freeze it, etc. to preserve it.

Thanks for any advice.

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At 04:26 PM 8/7/2005, you wrote:

>Several years ago I got a bunch of sandalwood CO2 total from White Lotus

>aromatics. It is

>a very different material that the other sandalwood CO2s I have had a

>chance to smell,

>which were all " select " extracts. It is thick but pours very slowly,

>translucent but not

>transparent at all - it is like caramel, almost exactly, and has a

>distinct sweet maple-like

>note.

>

>I'm wondering what to with this stuff. I know that CO2 totals have all

>kinds of substances

>not in essential oils, but haven't read about their chemistry much. I

>recall reading that

>there are often water-soluble substances mixed in, and the question is,

>can this extract go

>rancid? Any general word on CO2 extracts as needing special storage?

I don't use CO2s in my perfumes (yet). I find there are many unanswered

questions about them. Have you written to to ask about storage?

He may be familiar with that end of the business.

>I am keeping it in the dark in containers with no airspace, but wonder if

>I should mix it

>with alcohol, freeze it, etc. to preserve it.

CO2s are used more often in flavoring -- I wonder if a company that sells

or uses them for that purpose could answer? In the meantime, it sounds like

you are taking prudent measures to protect the product. I have never heard

of anyone saying theirs went " bad " or rancid.

If you write and he replies, ask if you can post the answer

here for all of us. I have some of his nagarmotha CO2 and I would be

interested in the reply. At this point, I store them much as you do yours.

I have heard of some refrigerating the CO2s, btw.

Anya

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> If you write and he replies, ask if you can post the answer

> here for all of us. I have some of his nagarmotha CO2 and I would be

> interested in the reply. At this point, I store them much as you do yours.

> I have heard of some refrigerating the CO2s, btw.

>

>

Ok, I will, and thanks for the response. I recall being told when first

purchasing the oil

that there was little known about its properties and shelf life.

I have an ambrette seed CO2 that I am convinced has a slight rancidity to it -

smells like

there might well be some fixed oils that were extracted from the seeds (most

seeds

obviously have a lot in the way of fat or fixed oils). I think the aroma of the

ambrette is

OK, but I now keep this one in the freezer.

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on 8/7/05 1:26 PM, betasantalene at betasantalene@... wrote:

Several years ago I got a bunch of sandalwood CO2 total from White Lotus

aromatics. It is a very different material that the other sandalwood CO2s I

have had a chanceto smell,

which were all " select " extracts. It is thick but pours very slowly,

translucent but not transparent at all - it is like caramel, almost exactly, and

has a distinct sweet maple-like note.

I'm wondering what to with this stuff. I know that CO2 totals have all kinds of

substances not in essential oils, but haven't read about their chemistry much.

I recall reading that

there are often water-soluble substances mixed in, and the question is, can this

extract go

rancid? Any general word on CO2 extracts as needing special storage?

I am keeping it in the dark in containers with no airspace, but wonder if I

should mix it

with alcohol, freeze it, etc. to preserve it.

Thanks for any advice.

Nice name Betasantalene!

You are lucky to have a bunch of the Sandalwood CO2 total extract! I think

it was one of those items that are wonderful and yet we may never (or only

rarely) see them again. I just checked the sample I have. If my nose is

serving me today, I would say that the extract has changed over time. I am

detecting less of the sweeter, maple notes, and more of the deeper

woody/resin notes. It still has a wonderful aroma!!! And I am not suprised

at the changes over time, as sandalwood typically will change with age (for

the better). I also wondered what to do with the sandalwood total extract

and so never bought any. However, I think it would be awesome in a solid

perfume. I assume that it is not very soluble in fixed oils but have you

tried it in alcohol?

We have been using CO2 extracts for the last 3 years in a pretty big way,

and love them. In general, I do not find that that they last any longer or

shorter than corresponding essential oils. I do find that a fresh extract

does not need to cure before using like many essential oils do. They tend to

be ready to use right after extraction. We had a patchouli co2 extract that

was so new it was still releasing some co2 gas, yet the aroma was beautiful.

You wouldn't say that for a " green " steam distilled patchouli oil. CO2

extracts do age over time like steam distilled oils, and so you would expect

that those oils that age well as steam distilled will age well as co2

extracts, and visa versa. However, since they haven't been around as long,

we will have to wait and see.

From my experience I would say that sandalwood, patchouli and frankincense

co2 extracts definately improve with age for at least 3 years. One

manufacturer of co2 extracts says that (pretty much across the board) they

are stable for at least 5 years if stored properly (cool and dark, but not

refriderated). This could exclude extracts which contain fixed oils or other

constituents that readily oxidize as a part of their makeup.

I suspect that the Sandalwood total will continue to age well and not go

rancid. I would not think that special precautions are needed. However, if

you want to preserve the maple notes, you may wish to try refridgerating it.

Will

Eden Botanicals

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> I suspect that the Sandalwood total will continue to age well and not go

> rancid. I would not think that special precautions are needed. However, if

> you want to preserve the maple notes, you may wish to try refridgerating it.

>

> Will

> Eden Botanicals

Thanks for the feedback on both sandalwoods! That CO2 total is, as you remark,

really

different in its aroma. I have found it dissolves very easily in alcohol and

what I am now

appreciating about it is the long-term dryout of the aroma - it is very much

like really high

quality wood and really develops a classic sandalwood aroma after a couple of

hours. I

find the initial aroma too maple-syrupy for my preference, though. It is a

great addition

to a sandalwood perfume or blend, but it needs to be only a relatively small

fraction of the

oil mixture or else it really predominates.

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At 09:21 PM 8/8/2005, you wrote:

>We have been using CO2 extracts for the last 3 years in a pretty big way,

>and love them.

Hi Will:

Thanks for all this great information on the CO2s, you are a great font of

insider observations on them. I think it was asked before, but since your

company only dilutes them in oil, I'm wondering if anyone can share their

experiences with them in alcohol?

One

>manufacturer of co2 extracts says that (pretty much across the board) they

>are stable for at least 5 years if stored properly (cool and dark, but not

>refriderated). This could exclude extracts which contain fixed oils or other

>constituents that readily oxidize as a part of their makeup.

That is how I've been storing my few CO2s, which I am sad to say I haven't

gotten around to playing with in blends. Perhaps this fall. I'm just afraid

of them going " off " in a blend. Personally, I like to use my nagarmotha and

(tiny bits of) sandalwood total and select as a straight perfume. They are

lovely. I dilute them slightly and they open up beautifully, especially the

nagarmotha, which turns incense-y. It is also very persistent, lasting up

to 24 hours!

Anya

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At 11:41 PM 8/8/2005, you wrote:

> > I suspect that the Sandalwood total will continue to age well and not go

> > rancid. I would not think that special precautions are needed. However, if

> > you want to preserve the maple notes, you may wish to try

> refridgerating it.

> >

> > Will

> > Eden Botanicals

>

>

>Thanks for the feedback on both sandalwoods! That CO2 total is, as you

>remark, really

>different in its aroma. I have found it dissolves very easily in alcohol

>and what I am now

>appreciating about it is the long-term dryout of the aroma - it is very

>much like really high

>quality wood and really develops a classic sandalwood aroma after a couple

>of hours. I

>find the initial aroma too maple-syrupy for my preference, though. It is

>a great addition

>to a sandalwood perfume or blend, but it needs to be only a relatively

>small fraction of the

>oil mixture or else it really predominates.

Hi Beta

Ah, here is the answer to the alcohol question. Good. I've had great

experience with the nagarmotha CO2 in alcohol, also. I'm not that happy

with it in oil, and I detest it in a shea body butter -- it seems sour and

overpowering, even in small amounts. This was by itself, mind you, blended

with other aromatics may help it, but boy, was I shocked.

The maple-syrup aspect may not be for me, either, but I have found that so

many clients love that sort of scent, it could be a best seller with it ;-)

Also remember that the drydown, which you seem to love with this, is always

the determining factor in the long run. Top notes whoosh off, middle notes

(the maple part) are also transitory and interesting to the composition,

but the drydown is the real sensory memory of the scent. IMO.

Anya

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