Re: [What qualifies for defficiency]

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Gorden,

If you remember a while back I shared that my Endocrinologist would not

treat on (62 IGF-1) alone.. She administered a pituatary stimulation test

using L-Dopa orally and checked direct GH levels (blood draw) every 1/2 hour

after that for a few hours.. I believe the minimum standard after

stimulation had to be >5.0 to be normal.. Mine came back <0.5 every time,

which means, a non measurable amount. The HMO refused to treat because that

same day my IGF-1 level had crept back over 90, which by there standards was

exceptible. Un-believable, Marty

*Does anyone else have official info on what criteria actually qualifies

for GH defficiency????

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From: gordon <gts@...>

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Date: Sunday, May 14, 2000 7:00 AM

Subject: Re: [Rejuvenation] Edmund Chein

>I didn't mean to sound unsympathetic to Dr. Chein's situation, but the

>specific merits of his case and the question of whether he is really a good

>man or a bad man are not in themselves very critical in comparison to the

>crisis this could create for the entire industry.

>

>Dr. Chein stands accused of misdiagnosing growth hormone deficiency (GHD),

>and of failing to administer the proper tests to diagnose GHD. He is almost

>certainly guilty of these things in the eyes of mainstream medicine. But

>Chein was not unique in his practice in these respects. Nearly all

>anti-aging doctors operate exactly as did Dr. Chein with respect to the

>diagnoses of hormone deficiencies. This is the real reason we should be

>alarmed.

>

>To be " officially " deficient in growth hormone one must normally fail a GH

>secretagogue test. These tests usually involve an intravenous infusion of

>arginine or some other secretagogue, followed by a blood test of actual

>growth hormone levels. These tests are independent of any measure of serum

>IGF-1. Offhand I would guess that at least 3 out of 4 of anti-aging

enthusiasts like us would not actually fail a GH secretagogue test.

>

>If Chein's case stands as a precedent then any doctor who prescribes growth

>hormone to patients who have not failed secretagogue tests could be at

>risk of losing his/her license, which means almost every anti-aging doctor

>in this country is at risk. If this decision stands then I think it could

be

>a very serious blow to the entire field of anti-aging medicine.

>

>-gts

>

>

> Re: [Rejuvenation] Edmund Chein

>

>

>> Personally I am not very concerned about the fate of Dr. Chein as an

>> individual, except in so much as he was a highly visible representative

of

>> the anti-aging movement. He is just one person, and whether he is a good

>> person or a bad person who lied about his credentials is irrelevant in

>> comparison to the large issues at stake here.

>>

>> [What can be a larger issue than that a person is being burned at the

>> stake, (even if maybe he made a mistake...)? - Ellis]

>>

>> The larger issue is the mainstream opinion about the proper definition of

>> growth hormone deficiency. Dr. Chein lost his license in part because he

>> prescribed growth hormone to a woman in her 40's who did not satisfy the

>> officially sanctioned criteria for diagnosing growth hormone deficiency

>> (GHD). This is ominous because almost no one is truly deficient in growth

>> hormone as it is defined by mainstream medicine. It looks to me that they

>> made an example of Dr. Chein in order to send a message to all anti-aging

>> doctors that liberal diagnoses of GHD may be sufficient grounds to have

>> one's medical license revoked. This puts EVERYONE at risk... including

our

>> friends Cranton and , etc...

>>

>> -gts

>>

>> [This is also true. When that happens, all of you can come to Mexico.

>> Tijuana is already full of American doctors who have fled the persecution

>> of the F.D.A. and the A.M.A. etc. I don't say laetrile is a cure for

>> cancer, but I do say that many therapies are being tried in Tijuana that

>> would be impossible to try in the U.S.... and some of them might even be

>effective. - Ellis]

>>

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