Guest guest Posted December 6, 2000 Report Share Posted December 6, 2000 In a message dated 12/6/00 3:48:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, egroups writes: > She just doesn't have the capacity to > understand that what she did was wrong......YET!!!! But we're working on > it!! > Donna; Part of the PDD diagnosis was given specifically states the above as a common symptom! Also, in the very mild form, they CAN know right from wrong, but don't have the capability to control what they are doing.....I asked the doc isn't this what OCD is....compulsiveness??? He said, no, that when a child goes right back to the bad behavior, he's not trying to be bad, but he can't help himself.....that the thinking process of separating right from wrong or being able to accept discipline is distorted, if that makes any sense. In 's case, he knows what he is doing is wrong, but is powerless to stop, and that the right med's will control this.....trying to do beh. mod. therapy will NOT work with , as he is not even listening to you, just thinking about what mischief he's going to get into next! You can see it in his eyes, like he's possessed......when the right med combo is attained (which has happened for about three weeks in the last two years) the teachers can even tell the difference.....his whole face and expression, and eyes change and he is totally " with " you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2000 Report Share Posted December 6, 2000 , Amen to that! That's what the docs told us about too...he can't control his impulses! (That would be the impulse to pull hair, clear the table or counter, grab someone's face, etc. Sigh!) It's taken us 13 years to come to grips with that! Now we are working on finding the right med, or combination of meds, to help him control his impulses and/or compulsive behavior. We have tried every form of behavior mod/control imaginable over the years, including time out/ignoring, positive reinforcement, redirection, a smack to the butt and even a spray water bottle as an " aversive " . We might have had a very limited success due to the " shock value " of a response to the behavior, but nothing that worked long term. We are certainly open to suggestion if someone has an alternative [that we haven't already tried] to medication, but at this point, medication seems like the only solution. Now, if we could just find the medication that controls the behavior(s) without the side-effects!! LOL! Terry Mom to , 13 yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2000 Report Share Posted December 6, 2000 In a message dated 12/6/00 7:49:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ltb3105@... writes: << will NOT work with , as he is not even listening to you, just thinking about what mischief he's going to get into next! You can see it in his eyes, like he's possessed......when the right med combo is attained (which has happened for about three weeks in the last two years) the teachers can even tell the difference.....his whole face and expression, and eyes change and he is totally " with " you. >> Wow . I sure hope they can find some meds that bring around again!!! I have to say that we are very lucky in that Maddie has never been aggressive. As I said before, our problem with her is trying to keep her in our world. She basically acts like you aren't even there......well, USED to. We have made wonderful strides. Still have to work for eye contact, but it's quick to get now, where before, it might have taken an hour if at all. Maddie becomes obsessed with things, like soap eating (you guys heard me on that one), but if she doesn't find soap in the dishes, she just wanders away. I'm thinking of you and praying for you !!! They just have to do something soon!! DOnna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2000 Report Share Posted December 6, 2000 When Matt was diagnosed, they psych put him on Naltrexone. Explained that the repetive behaviors we saw (dumping, clearing tables, throwing things, etc....) was impossible for him to control and nothing we did externally would every replace the internal rush he got from doing these things. Naltrexone, an opiod antagonist, was given, and helps immesurably. He likened the internal rush to stronger and more pleasureable for Matt, than an orgasm is. (Men have to find sex in anything!-My appologies to the dads on this list, just telling it like it is) I do know that it works for Matt. Allows some behavior things to help somewhat. But I find it fascinating that someone else is seeing the difficulty in learning what is right and wrong. We are there too. S On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:48:27 EST Ltb3105@... writes: > In a message dated 12/6/00 3:48:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > egroups writes: > > > > She just doesn't have the capacity to > > understand that what she did was wrong......YET!!!! But we're > working on > > it!! > > > > Donna; > Part of the PDD diagnosis was given specifically states the > above as a > common symptom! Also, in the very mild form, they CAN know right > from wrong, > but don't have the capability to control what they are doing.....I > asked the > doc isn't this what OCD is....compulsiveness??? He said, no, that > when a > child goes right back to the bad behavior, he's not trying to be > bad, but he > can't help himself.....that the thinking process of separating right > from > wrong or being able to accept discipline is distorted, if that makes > any > sense. > > In 's case, he knows what he is doing is wrong, but is powerless > to stop, > and that the right med's will control this.....trying to do beh. > mod. therapy > will NOT work with , as he is not even listening to you, just > thinking > about what mischief he's going to get into next! You can see it in > his eyes, > like he's possessed......when the right med combo is attained (which > has > happened for about three weeks in the last two years) the teachers > can even > tell the difference.....his whole face and expression, and eyes > change and he > is totally " with " you. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2000 Report Share Posted December 6, 2000 amen to that, we jsut dc'd nathan's clomipramine for his OCD probs. He was up to 100mg dly and that was clso to the most he could have for his wgt, and it didnt touch his behavoir within an breath of him, all it did is give him 5lbs he didnt need, in a few weeks, rrrr. So now were bvack to just ritalin TID dly and dealing with the obsessing etc without other drugs, ritalin is the only thing weve found to calm him enough for the behavoir mod. stuff to actually be effective or working. shawna. Re: Re: Right from Wrong > , > Amen to that! That's what the docs told us about too...he can't > control his impulses! (That would be the impulse to pull hair, clear the > table or counter, grab someone's face, etc. Sigh!) It's taken us 13 years > to come to grips with that! Now we are working on finding the right med, or > combination of meds, to help him control his impulses and/or compulsive > behavior. We have tried every form of behavior mod/control imaginable over > the years, including time out/ignoring, positive reinforcement, redirection, > a smack to the butt and even a spray water bottle as an " aversive " . We > might have had a very limited success due to the " shock value " of a response > to the behavior, but nothing that worked long term. We are certainly open to > suggestion if someone has an alternative [that we haven't already tried] to > medication, but at this point, medication seems like the only solution. Now, > if we could just find the medication that controls the behavior(s) without > the side-effects!! LOL! > Terry > Mom to , 13 yrs. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 , It has to do with Theory of Mind. Most of our guys think everyone knows what they are thinking. It takes many autistic people a long time to learn how to lie.... a positive. Pam At 01:57 PM 7/8/2002 -0400, you wrote: >My 7 year old son will do something he knows is not right and then he will >tell me he did it. Example: He threw my dinner plates out the >window. He came to me and said " What did you do? " I did not figure out >what he was referreing to until I came outside the next morning and found >all my dinner plates broken on the front walkway. If he knows it is >wrong, why is he telling me? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 I know your post was to get an answer -- but honestly it cracked me up..... on the other hand -- Nicky seems to know when he is doing something wrong -- he will usually do it anyway and then tell me sorry. donna -- Re: Right from Wrong , It has to do with Theory of Mind. Most of our guys think everyone knows what they are thinking. It takes many autistic people a long time to learn how to lie.... a positive. Pam At 01:57 PM 7/8/2002 -0400, you wrote: >My 7 year old son will do something he knows is not right and then he will >tell me he did it. Example: He threw my dinner plates out the >window. He came to me and said " What did you do? " I did not figure out >what he was referreing to until I came outside the next morning and found >all my dinner plates broken on the front walkway. If he knows it is >wrong, why is he telling me? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 , I was told that it is them...that is all part of this wonderful special needs they have...they are wired differently...that is part of their wiring as I have been told...thank God your son didn't go around the neighborhood and saying what my 4 year old did and he knew better but they don't...they don't think like we do and have no common sense like we do...take 10 breaths and talk to God...their world is not ours and vice versa....I know it is hard but remember they are not geared up like ours... Celeste crltn5@... wrote: My 7 year old son will do something he knows is not right and then he will tell me he did it. Example: He threw my dinner plates out the window. He came to me and said " What did you do? " I did not figure out what he was referreing to until I came outside the next morning and found all my dinner plates broken on the front walkway. If he knows it is wrong, why is he telling me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 Sounds like he sorting out communication. For example; he knows that when you feel he's done something that you do not approve of, you say " What did you do? " ....So, he's trying to work out the cause and effect. Throws the dishes out the window, then says " What did you do? " . Make sense? How verbal is he? Penny Right from Wrong My 7 year old son will do something he knows is not right and then he will tell me he did it. Example: He threw my dinner plates out the window. He came to me and said " What did you do? " I did not figure out what he was referreing to until I came outside the next morning and found all my dinner plates broken on the front walkway. If he knows it is wrong, why is he telling me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 Mine does something of the same. He says, " Kristian, NO! " He's repeating (echolalia) what he knows your reaction will be. Think of it like apologizing. Your regular kid would realize he did something wrong and apologize. He's realizing he did something wrong and putting it in the words he associates with the situation. A step in the right direction!! All the best~~ Rose Right from Wrong My 7 year old son will do something he knows is not right and then he will tell me he did it. Example: He threw my dinner plates out the window. He came to me and said " What did you do? " I did not figure out what he was referreing to until I came outside the next morning and found all my dinner plates broken on the front walkway. If he knows it is wrong, why is he telling me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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