Re: Questions about testosterone

[Guest guest]

Rick, you are the expert that we have all been

looking for to answer our questions on Testosterone,

since you are sensible, so thanks for your comments.

Since you have been taking Testosterone for 15 years,

and you are age 45, you started pretty young... I

suppose you were not low on testosterone then, were

you? If you took it for body-building reasons, that

to me is a valid reason, as long as you didn't also

cause yourself any physical damage doing it. Did

you cause yourself any physical damage in this time?

So let me ask you about side effects, because this

is what I want to avoid. Does taking testosterone

enanthate (which you say is long-lasting and that is

why you like it) every 2 weeks increase your sex

drive, or does it end up decreasing your sex drive?

Does it make you produce more sperm and have a

tremendous sex drive? I have read that it might

shrink your testicles, and I am afraid of that.

Also, I have read that it might take away sex drive,

and I am afraid of that. Have you tested for

estradiol and female hormones, or how have you done

to control that?

You can read my very limited experience with

testosterone here. I would like to know if after

you read this you would think a shot of testosterone

now and then would be good for me, or if I should

stick to testosterone cream? (right now I have

suspended all testosterone and all hormones, for a

period of one month... but later I intend to start

taking the testosterone cream again...)

http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5000/testosterone.html

Also... can you tell us what you look for in your

testosterone blood tests? What do you test for, and

what have been your results, and how do YOU interpret

them. I liked how you explained how you interpret

results, and I agree with you.

Do you also take growth hormone? If so, it has not

been for 15 years, so I would like to know what has

been your experience before and after growth hormone,

that is, did it improve your results when combined

with your testosterone shots?

Also... if we would read only ONE book, which do you

suggest?

Thanks for your help. - Ellis

--- Highlander <highlander@...> wrote:

> Actually the gold text is kinnda cool.I recieve my

> prescription from my personal doctor.I give myself

> the injections,you may have a problem with a doctor

> who is willing to do this though,it depends on the

> doctor.I have tried just about all the different

> testosterones and methods of administrating

> them.That is the usual way to find out what works

> best and at what dosage do you achieve the desired

> redults.The injectable I use is Testosterone

> Enanthate by Schein.My dose is 1 cc every 2 to 4

> weeks.This form is one of the longest lasting,that's

> why I decieded on it,most other forms do not last

> nearly that long.What is your t level,I missed

> that.What is considered norma is very misleading

> because they say normal is something like 200 to

> arround 850 ,I don't remember the exact range.The

> problem with this range is that while anything in

> that range is supposed to be normal,the actual

> percentage is roughly 85 to 90 % of all males is in

> the 400 to 850 range so if you have say 275 you are

> technicaly normal but in fact you are substantialy

> lower than roughly 85 or 90 % lower than everyone

> else.You also need to be careful not to take more

> than you need because although initialy you'll feel

> great but past a point your system stops producing

> it's own supply.I have been taking t now for about

> 15 years,I am age 45,and I have only had about 5 or

> so b;ood tests done,ussualy to make the doctors

> happy.I guess the smart thing is to get them done

> more often if you can afford it but I couldn't

> afford it.Most of the tests needed are to determine

> the proper dosage,then every year or six months just

> to be sure your staying at the proper level.Hope

> this has helped you out a little.If you have any

> other questions please ask.

>

>

> Rick-

=====

Ellis Toussier

See Table of Contents of all my Rejuvenation pages

http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5000/table.html

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Remember that I am not a doctor,so all I tell you is from personal

experience,and if you have the cash I'm sure it's best to be tested alot

more than I have.As I said I have only been tested a few times during the 15

yrs,and all I and the doctor looked at primarily were the testosterone

levels.I of course did ask him to let me know if any of my other stats on

the bloodwork looked abnormal and I was always told everything was fine.Now

I did start taking the T because my testerone level was low,ths causing

sexual problems,but it was low in the way I explained in my previous

email.Ibelieve it was around 240 or 280,and although that is in the normal

range it is in reality low.You did not tell me what you level is and I would

like to know that,so I can have a better picture of your situation.I'll try

to answer all your questions but if I miss one just ask again.The T

definatly does cause an increase in your sex drive,meaning more

desire,higher sperm count,less inhibition,etc.Now if your going from a

relativly low count the more pronounced the effects will be apparent.It will

also increase muscle mass if you are working out reguarly,as well as reduce

fat.It has some interesting side effects,that suprised me,one of which is

increased clarity of mind,and concentration.T is used in the treatment of

many psyclogical problems.The effects on me were not pyscological

however,just to elimate any placebo arguments.The way I found out I was low

was accidental.I went to the doctor hoping to weazel some from him because

at that time I was working out every day and was looking into different

steroids.The doctor would not prescribe them unless he saw a need for

them,certainly not to help me with bigger muscles,thats how I came to find

out I was low.The liquid injections are far better than other forms because

you get more of the actaul t in your system and less chance of liver

problems,plus it lasts longer than other forms.I guess a big question to you

would be what are you looking to achieve from taking it and as I said what

is your current level?If you take to high a dose it can cause testicle

shrinkage,but again you have to take more than you need.I have had no

adverse reactions that I am aware of.I am very healthy.One good thing also

about t is that you cannot overdose from it and that almost any adverse

effects you may experience from normal or extreme use are reversable as soon

as you stop taking it.I don't think it will decrease sex drive or

performance,both have improved with my usage of it.It was the first time

after having a shot and having sexual performance problems all my life that

I went for a marathon sex performance of about 12 to 14 hours.The only way

it will affect your sexaul desire and performance negitavly would be if you

take to much or your level is already very high,but as I said that will only

last a short time.The main problem is finding out what your correct level

is.and if I were you and just starting out with it to determine what is a

good level,I would be less influenced by test results and more on how you

feel.You will know when you go a little bit to high,simply because you will

notice a slight decrease in desire or performance,but as the level drops in

your system that should only last a few days.your stats will return to

normal.The only strange side affect I have had is that if you take a large

dosage(more than you need for an extended period your pubic hair can turn

gray,but again within a short time of going back to the correct dosage it to

will return to normal.The reason I say I take it every two to four weeks is

because I take it when my body tells me I need it.Man this is getting

lenghtly.I can contine on to the rest of this in part two of the

Testosterone Cronicles.I don't recall ever reading any boks on it,just

scattered articles here and there.As for hgh or ghb I did use ghb and have

nothing but good things to say about it.It is the closest thing I'v seen to

a miracle drugMy biggest caution however is that you can use too much of

it,and overdose,and if you take alot for an extended period of time you will

go through some nasty withrawal.but I'm talking about doing absurd ammounts

of it.for a long time.You need to be alot more careful with it finding out

what your correct dosage is in the begining than testosterone.It is very

dose sensitive,not to mention if you live in the U.S. it's illegal.However

as I said it is a truely miraculous product when used correctly.I have used

T and GHB at the some time and experienced no ill affects.If you need any

more info just email me and I'll be glad to give you my opinion.By the way I

have not used the cream T,probably because it wasn't arroung when I started

using it,so I can't compare it for you. Hope this has been of some

help.Later,

Rick-

Re: Questions about testosterone

> Rick, you are the expert that we have all been

> looking for to answer our questions on Testosterone,

> since you are sensible, so thanks for your comments.

>

> Since you have been taking Testosterone for 15 years,

> and you are age 45, you started pretty young... I

> suppose you were not low on testosterone then, were

> you? If you took it for body-building reasons, that

> to me is a valid reason, as long as you didn't also

> cause yourself any physical damage doing it. Did

> you cause yourself any physical damage in this time?

>

> So let me ask you about side effects, because this

> is what I want to avoid. Does taking testosterone

> enanthate (which you say is long-lasting and that is

> why you like it) every 2 weeks increase your sex

> drive, or does it end up decreasing your sex drive?

> Does it make you produce more sperm and have a

> tremendous sex drive? I have read that it might

> shrink your testicles, and I am afraid of that.

> Also, I have read that it might take away sex drive,

> and I am afraid of that. Have you tested for

> estradiol and female hormones, or how have you done

> to control that?

>

> You can read my very limited experience with

> testosterone here. I would like to know if after

> you read this you would think a shot of testosterone

> now and then would be good for me, or if I should

> stick to testosterone cream? (right now I have

> suspended all testosterone and all hormones, for a

> period of one month... but later I intend to start

> taking the testosterone cream again...)

>

> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5000/testosterone.html

>

> Also... can you tell us what you look for in your

> testosterone blood tests? What do you test for, and

> what have been your results, and how do YOU interpret

> them. I liked how you explained how you interpret

> results, and I agree with you.

>

> Do you also take growth hormone? If so, it has not

> been for 15 years, so I would like to know what has

> been your experience before and after growth hormone,

> that is, did it improve your results when combined

> with your testosterone shots?

>

> Also... if we would read only ONE book, which do you

> suggest?

>

> Thanks for your help. - Ellis

>

> --- Highlander <highlander@...> wrote:

> > Actually the gold text is kinnda cool.I recieve my

> > prescription from my personal doctor.I give myself

> > the injections,you may have a problem with a doctor

> > who is willing to do this though,it depends on the

> > doctor.I have tried just about all the different

> > testosterones and methods of administrating

> > them.That is the usual way to find out what works

> > best and at what dosage do you achieve the desired

> > redults.The injectable I use is Testosterone

> > Enanthate by Schein.My dose is 1 cc every 2 to 4

> > weeks.This form is one of the longest lasting,that's

> > why I decieded on it,most other forms do not last

> > nearly that long.What is your t level,I missed

> > that.What is considered norma is very misleading

> > because they say normal is something like 200 to

> > arround 850 ,I don't remember the exact range.The

> > problem with this range is that while anything in

> > that range is supposed to be normal,the actual

> > percentage is roughly 85 to 90 % of all males is in

> > the 400 to 850 range so if you have say 275 you are

> > technicaly normal but in fact you are substantialy

> > lower than roughly 85 or 90 % lower than everyone

> > else.You also need to be careful not to take more

> > than you need because although initialy you'll feel

> > great but past a point your system stops producing

> > it's own supply.I have been taking t now for about

> > 15 years,I am age 45,and I have only had about 5 or

> > so b;ood tests done,ussualy to make the doctors

> > happy.I guess the smart thing is to get them done

> > more often if you can afford it but I couldn't

> > afford it.Most of the tests needed are to determine

> > the proper dosage,then every year or six months just

> > to be sure your staying at the proper level.Hope

> > this has helped you out a little.If you have any

> > other questions please ask.

> >

> >

> > Rick-

>

> =====

> Ellis Toussier

>

> See Table of Contents of all my Rejuvenation pages

>

> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5000/table.html

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Rick,

Great info on T and GHB and I'll fill you in on the history of

my T problems. Just before Christmas, I decided I was going to try

some of the over the counter T product to help with some muscle building.

I go to the gym about 3x week and have seen very little results.

So I decided to do base lines on my adrogens and estrogens. To my

surprise my total T was undetectable, less than 20 ng. I wondered

if I was taking something that cause a bad reading or the test was bad

so about two weeks ago I had a retest and my results were up to 117.

LOUSY LOUSY LOUSY for a healthy 48 year old man. I feel this test

was accurate as I have been feeling very run down lately. I travel

a lot and lately I have been coming home after a three day trip wiped out

and that is not normal for me.

As I have said before I don't know if I have taken something that has

caused this, because it has never been a problem with me before, but I

really need to get going on some sort of monitored T replacement program

or get with someone who can figure out what my levels are low. As

far as I can remember, the only thing I have added to my vitamin protocol

are aminos (over the last five to six month). I don't think that

is the problem, but I'm not sure. Anyway that is my situation and

I'm sick and tired of feeling run down.

Would you please give me your slant on why people take long lasting

injections rather than daily doses to mimic the bodies production more

closley?

I haven't made GHB nor will I since I think it is going to be illegal

here in the states soon, but have you used GBL and if you have how does

it compare to GHB.

Also would you please tell us a little about yourself, where you live

(Scotland maybe by Highlander) and if you are using other products like

the smart drug or even rhgh.

Again, thanks very much for you time and I look forward to your reply.

Dale

Highlander wrote:

Remember that I am not a doctor,so all I tell you

is from personal

experience,and if you have the cash I'm sure it's best to be tested

alot

more than I have.As I said I have only been tested a few times during

the 15

yrs,and all I and the doctor looked at primarily were the testosterone

levels.I of course did ask him to let me know if any of my other stats

on

the bloodwork looked abnormal and I was always told everything was

fine.Now

I did start taking the T because my testerone level was low,ths causing

sexual problems,but it was low in the way I explained in my previous

email.Ibelieve it was around 240 or 280,and although that is in the

normal

range it is in reality low.You did not tell me what you level is and

I would

like to know that,so I can have a better picture of your situation.I'll

try

to answer all your questions but if I miss one just ask again.The T

definatly does cause an increase in your sex drive,meaning more

desire,higher sperm count,less inhibition,etc.Now if your going from

a

relativly low count the more pronounced the effects will be apparent.It

will

also increase muscle mass if you are working out reguarly,as well as

reduce

fat.It has some interesting side effects,that suprised me,one of which

is

increased clarity of mind,and concentration.T is used in the treatment

of

many psyclogical problems.The effects on me were not pyscological

however,just to elimate any placebo arguments.The way I found out I

was low

was accidental.I went to the doctor hoping to weazel some from him

because

at that time I was working out every day and was looking into different

steroids.The doctor would not prescribe them unless he saw a need for

them,certainly not to help me with bigger muscles,thats how I came

to find

out I was low.The liquid injections are far better than other forms

because

you get more of the actaul t in your system and less chance of liver

problems,plus it lasts longer than other forms.I guess a big question

to you

would be what are you looking to achieve from taking it and as I said

what

is your current level?If you take to high a dose it can cause testicle

shrinkage,but again you have to take more than you need.I have had

no

adverse reactions that I am aware of.I am very healthy.One good thing

also

about t is that you cannot overdose from it and that almost any adverse

effects you may experience from normal or extreme use are reversable

as soon

as you stop taking it.I don't think it will decrease sex drive or

performance,both have improved with my usage of it.It was the first

time

after having a shot and having sexual performance problems all my life

that

I went for a marathon sex performance of about 12 to 14 hours.The only

way

it will affect your sexaul desire and performance negitavly would be

if you

take to much or your level is already very high,but as I said that

will only

last a short time.The main problem is finding out what your correct

level

is.and if I were you and just starting out with it to determine what

is a

good level,I would be less influenced by test results and more on how

you

feel.You will know when you go a little bit to high,simply because

you will

notice a slight decrease in desire or performance,but as the level

drops in

your system that should only last a few days.your stats will return

to

normal.The only strange side affect I have had is that if you take

a large

dosage(more than you need for an extended period your pubic hair can

turn

gray,but again within a short time of going back to the correct dosage

it to

will return to normal.The reason I say I take it every two to four

weeks is

because I take it when my body tells me I need it.Man this is getting

lenghtly.I can contine on to the rest of this in part two of the

Testosterone Cronicles.I don't recall ever reading any boks on it,just

scattered articles here and there.As for hgh or ghb I did use ghb and

have

nothing but good things to say about it.It is the closest thing I'v

seen to

a miracle drugMy biggest caution however is that you can use too much

of

it,and overdose,and if you take alot for an extended period of time

you will

go through some nasty withrawal.but I'm talking about doing absurd

ammounts

of it.for a long time.You need to be alot more careful with it finding

out

what your correct dosage is in the begining than testosterone.It is

very

dose sensitive,not to mention if you live in the U.S. it's illegal.However

as I said it is a truely miraculous product when used correctly.I have

used

T and GHB at the some time and experienced no ill affects.If you need

any

more info just email me and I'll be glad to give you my opinion.By

the way I

have not used the cream T,probably because it wasn't arroung when I

started

using it,so I can't compare it for you. Hope this has been of some

help.Later,

Rick-

Re: Questions about testosterone

> Rick, you are the expert that we have all been

> looking for to answer our questions on Testosterone,

> since you are sensible, so thanks for your comments.

>

> Since you have been taking Testosterone for 15 years,

> and you are age 45, you started pretty young... I

> suppose you were not low on testosterone then, were

> you? If you took it for body-building reasons, that

> to me is a valid reason, as long as you didn't also

> cause yourself any physical damage doing it. Did

> you cause yourself any physical damage in this time?

>

> So let me ask you about side effects, because this

> is what I want to avoid. Does taking testosterone

> enanthate (which you say is long-lasting and that is

> why you like it) every 2 weeks increase your sex

> drive, or does it end up decreasing your sex drive?

> Does it make you produce more sperm and have a

> tremendous sex drive? I have read that it might

> shrink your testicles, and I am afraid of that.

> Also, I have read that it might take away sex drive,

> and I am afraid of that. Have you tested for

> estradiol and female hormones, or how have you done

> to control that?

>

> You can read my very limited experience with

> testosterone here. I would like to know if after

> you read this you would think a shot of testosterone

> now and then would be good for me, or if I should

> stick to testosterone cream? (right now I have

> suspended all testosterone and all hormones, for a

> period of one month... but later I intend to start

> taking the testosterone cream again...)

>

> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5000/testosterone.html

>

> Also... can you tell us what you look for in your

> testosterone blood tests? What do you test for, and

> what have been your results, and how do YOU interpret

> them. I liked how you explained how you interpret

> results, and I agree with you.

>

> Do you also take growth hormone? If so, it has not

> been for 15 years, so I would like to know what has

> been your experience before and after growth hormone,

> that is, did it improve your results when combined

> with your testosterone shots?

>

> Also... if we would read only ONE book, which do you

> suggest?

>

> Thanks for your help. - Ellis

>

> --- Highlander <highlander@...> wrote:

> > Actually the gold text is kinnda cool.I recieve my

> > prescription from my personal doctor.I give myself

> > the injections,you may have a problem with a doctor

> > who is willing to do this though,it depends on the

> > doctor.I have tried just about all the different

> > testosterones and methods of administrating

> > them.That is the usual way to find out what works

> > best and at what dosage do you achieve the desired

> > redults.The injectable I use is Testosterone

> > Enanthate by Schein.My dose is 1 cc every 2 to 4

> > weeks.This form is one of the longest lasting,that's

> > why I decieded on it,most other forms do not last

> > nearly that long.What is your t level,I missed

> > that.What is considered norma is very misleading

> > because they say normal is something like 200 to

> > arround 850 ,I don't remember the exact range.The

> > problem with this range is that while anything in

> > that range is supposed to be normal,the actual

> > percentage is roughly 85 to 90 % of all males is in

> > the 400 to 850 range so if you have say 275 you are

> > technicaly normal but in fact you are substantialy

> > lower than roughly 85 or 90 % lower than everyone

> > else.You also need to be careful not to take more

> > than you need because although initialy you'll feel

> > great but past a point your system stops producing

> > it's own supply.I have been taking t now for about

> > 15 years,I am age 45,and I have only had about 5 or

> > so b;ood tests done,ussualy to make the doctors

> > happy.I guess the smart thing is to get them done

> > more often if you can afford it but I couldn't

> > afford it.Most of the tests needed are to determine

> > the proper dosage,then every year or six months just

> > to be sure your staying at the proper level.Hope

> > this has helped you out a little.If you have any

> > other questions please ask.

> >

> >

> >

Rick-

>

> =====

> Ellis Toussier

>

> See Table of Contents of all my Rejuvenation pages

>

> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5000/table.html

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Your T level are inredibly low.What did your doctor or doctors say.Have you had any sexual problems in the past?Were the tests done at the same place?A level that low is way out of my league,you need to talk to a few doctors and get their opinion.My first reaction was that the 20 was a mistake but if you had it done again and 117 was the count that at least sounds more believable but still very low.Have you had any sexual or major health problems before the tests?The reason I use the long term is since my level is low all the time I am taking the t as a maintanence drug to keep my level in the same range continously,rather than a jump up and down.Also generaly speaking you get more of the actual t this way and as compared to pills or other means.Pills are very hard on your liver if your taking them on a continual basis.To be honest I'v heard the name but I'm not even sure what gbl is.I have tried various other products that claim to have the same effects as ghb,but in my opinion none have been able to compare.Ghb is simply the best.Ghb by the way is already illegal and has been,here in the U.S. for quite a few years.As for myself I grew up in the Bronx,traveled all over and I am currently living in Indiana.Anything else I can answer for you just ask,and someone can tell me what gbl is.Also despite my knowledge of t and ghb I strongly recomend you pursue this with a doctor because your level is extremly low and should definatly be investigated by a proffesional.Take care. Rick-

Re: Questions about testosterone > Rick, you are the expert that we have all been > looking for to answer our questions on Testosterone, > since you are sensible, so thanks for your comments. > > Since you have been taking Testosterone for 15 years, > and you are age 45, you started pretty young... I > suppose you were not low on testosterone then, were > you? If you took it for body-building reasons, that > to me is a valid reason, as long as you didn't also > cause yourself any physical damage doing it. Did > you cause yourself any physical damage in this time? > > So let me ask you about side effects, because this > is what I want to avoid. Does taking testosterone > enanthate (which you say is long-lasting and that is > why you like it) every 2 weeks increase your sex > drive, or does it end up decreasing your sex drive? > Does it make you produce more sperm and have a > tremendous sex drive? I have read that it might > shrink your testicles, and I am afraid of that. > Also, I have read that it might take away sex drive, > and I am afraid of that. Have you tested for > estradiol and female hormones, or how have you done > to control that? > > You can read my very limited experience with > testosterone here. I would like to know if after > you read this you would think a shot of testosterone > now and then would be good for me, or if I should > stick to testosterone cream? (right now I have > suspended all testosterone and all hormones, for a > period of one month... but later I intend to start > taking the testosterone cream again...) > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5000/testosterone.html > > Also... can you tell us what you look for in your > testosterone blood tests? What do you test for, and > what have been your results, and how do YOU interpret > them. I liked how you explained how you interpret > results, and I agree with you. > > Do you also take growth hormone? If so, it has not > been for 15 years, so I would like to know what has > been your experience before and after growth hormone, > that is, did it improve your results when combined > with your testosterone shots? > > Also... if we would read only ONE book, which do you > suggest? > > Thanks for your help. - Ellis > > --- Highlander <highlander@...> wrote: > > Actually the gold text is kinnda cool.I recieve my > > prescription from my personal doctor.I give myself > > the injections,you may have a problem with a doctor > > who is willing to do this though,it depends on the > > doctor.I have tried just about all the different > > testosterones and methods of administrating > > them.That is the usual way to find out what works > > best and at what dosage do you achieve the desired > > redults.The injectable I use is Testosterone > > Enanthate by Schein.My dose is 1 cc every 2 to 4 > > weeks.This form is one of the longest lasting,that's > > why I decieded on it,most other forms do not last > > nearly that long.What is your t level,I missed > > that.What is considered norma is very misleading > > because they say normal is something like 200 to > > arround 850 ,I don't remember the exact range.The > > problem with this range is that while anything in > > that range is supposed to be normal,the actual > > percentage is roughly 85 to 90 % of all males is in > > the 400 to 850 range so if you have say 275 you are > > technicaly normal but in fact you are substantialy > > lower than roughly 85 or 90 % lower than everyone > > else.You also need to be careful not to take more > > than you need because although initialy you'll feel > > great but past a point your system stops producing > > it's own supply.I have been taking t now for about > > 15 years,I am age 45,and I have only had about 5 or > > so b;ood tests done,ussualy to make the doctors > > happy.I guess the smart thing is to get them done > > more often if you can afford it but I couldn't > > afford it.Most of the tests needed are to determine > > the proper dosage,then every year or six months just > > to be sure your staying at the proper level.Hope > > this has helped you out a little.If you have any > > other questions please ask. > > > > > > Rick- > > ===== > Ellis Toussier > > See Table of Contents of all my Rejuvenation pages > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5000/table.html > __________________________________________________ >

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Rick,

Again thanks for the response. First off GBL is gamma-butyrolactone

and is used as a precursor to GHB. There are many products out there

that use GBL as a legal means of getting GHB, similar to using stacks of

amino in an attempt to raise IGF-1 levels. The effects depend on

dosage and range from relaxing one to knocking you flat on your but and

you sleep for about 4 hours or so, probably just like GHB.

Also as for my T situation, I have not been able to get in touch with

the MD to see what he may recommend. I'll try tomorrow (Monday).

I have not had sexual problems before and this really hasn't done

too much to slow me down now. I'm just more tired, so that results

in a little less sex.

Regarding testing and monitoring, do you have you PSA and estradiols

levels checked every so often. I am amazed at how few men our age

(40s and up) are getting their PSA checked. If you do or have and

wouldn't mind, would you please post the results. Also do you take

saw palmetto or any of the products to stop the conversion of T to E.

Thanks and I guess I missed a little by guessing Scotland, but I still

like the handle.

Dale

Highlander wrote:

Your T level are inredibly

low.What did your doctor or doctors say.Have you had any sexual problems

in the past?Were the tests done at the same place?A level that low is way

out of my league,you need to talk to a few doctors and get their opinion.My

first reaction was that the 20 was a mistake but if you had it done again

and 117 was the count that at least sounds more believable but still very

low.Have you had any sexual or major health problems before the tests?The

reason I use the long term is since my level is low all the time I am taking

the t as a maintanence drug to keep my level in the same range continously,rather

than a jump up and down.Also generaly speaking you get more of the actual

t this way and as compared to pills or other means.Pills are very hard

on your liver if your taking them on a continual basis.To be honest I'v

heard the name but I'm not even sure what gbl is.I have tried various other

products that claim to have the same effects as ghb,but in my opinion none

have been able to compare.Ghb is simply the best.Ghb by the way is already

illegal and has been,here in the U.S. for quite a few years.As for myself

I grew up in the Bronx,traveled all over and I am currently living in Indiana.Anything

else I can answer for you just ask,and someone can tell me what gbl is.Also

despite my knowledge of t and ghb I strongly recomend you pursue this with

a doctor because your level is extremly low and should definatly be investigated

by a proffesional.Take care.

Rick-

Re: Questions about testosterone

> Rick, you are the expert that we have all been

> looking for to answer our questions on Testosterone,

> since you are sensible, so thanks for your comments.

>

> Since you have been taking Testosterone for 15 years,

> and you are age 45, you started pretty young... I

> suppose you were not low on testosterone then, were

> you? If you took it for body-building reasons, that

> to me is a valid reason, as long as you didn't also

> cause yourself any physical damage doing it. Did

> you cause yourself any physical damage in this time?

>

> So let me ask you about side effects, because this

> is what I want to avoid. Does taking testosterone

> enanthate (which you say is long-lasting and that is

> why you like it) every 2 weeks increase your sex

> drive, or does it end up decreasing your sex drive?

> Does it make you produce more sperm and have a

> tremendous sex drive? I have read that it might

> shrink your testicles, and I am afraid of that.

> Also, I have read that it might take away sex drive,

> and I am afraid of that. Have you tested for

> estradiol and female hormones, or how have you done

> to control that?

>

> You can read my very limited experience with

> testosterone here. I would like to know if after

> you read this you would think a shot of testosterone

> now and then would be good for me, or if I should

> stick to testosterone cream? (right now I have

> suspended all testosterone and all hormones, for a

> period of one month... but later I intend to start

> taking the testosterone cream again...)

>

> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5000/testosterone.html

>

> Also... can you tell us what you look for in your

> testosterone blood tests? What do you test for, and

> what have been your results, and how do YOU interpret

> them. I liked how you explained how you interpret

> results, and I agree with you.

>

> Do you also take growth hormone? If so, it has not

> been for 15 years, so I would like to know what has

> been your experience before and after growth hormone,

> that is, did it improve your results when combined

> with your testosterone shots?

>

> Also... if we would read only ONE book, which do you

> suggest?

>

> Thanks for your help. - Ellis

>

> --- Highlander <highlander@...> wrote:

> > Actually the gold text is kinnda cool.I recieve my

> > prescription from my personal doctor.I give myself

> > the injections,you may have a problem with a doctor

> > who is willing to do this though,it depends on the

> > doctor.I have tried just about all the different

> > testosterones and methods of administrating

> > them.That is the usual way to find out what works

> > best and at what dosage do you achieve the desired

> > redults.The injectable I use is Testosterone

> > Enanthate by Schein.My dose is 1 cc every 2 to 4

> > weeks.This form is one of the longest lasting,that's

> > why I decieded on it,most other forms do not last

> > nearly that long.What is your t level,I missed

> > that.What is considered norma is very misleading

> > because they say normal is something like 200 to

> > arround 850 ,I don't remember the exact range.The

> > problem with this range is that while anything in

> > that range is supposed to be normal,the actual

> > percentage is roughly 85 to 90 % of all males is in

> > the 400 to 850 range so if you have say 275 you are

> > technicaly normal but in fact you are substantialy

> > lower than roughly 85 or 90 % lower than everyone

> > else.You also need to be careful not to take more

> > than you need because although initialy you'll feel

> > great but past a point your system stops producing

> > it's own supply.I have been taking t now for about

> > 15 years,I am age 45,and I have only had about 5 or

> > so b;ood tests done,ussualy to make the doctors

> > happy.I guess the smart thing is to get them done

> > more often if you can afford it but I couldn't

> > afford it.Most of the tests needed are to determine

> > the proper dosage,then every year or six months just

> > to be sure your staying at the proper level.Hope

> > this has helped you out a little.If you have any

> > other questions please ask.

> >

> >

> >

Rick-

>

> =====

> Ellis Toussier

>

> See Table of Contents of all my Rejuvenation pages

>

> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5000/table.html

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

O.K. well I have tried similar products like Zen,Rest-eze,etc.,and although they seam to work I don't think they work half as well.The last T test I had was about 6 years ago and I have no idea what the levels were except for my t level which was arround 700.No I don't use any saw palmetto,or anything else for that matter.If your not having any sexual problems then I wouldn't worry about it too much,but I would still see what a doctor has to say.It just doesn't make alot of sense to me that you could be as low as you were and not had any problems,so either the results were wrong,or the level doesn't matter as much as I think,but I know that it makes a huge difference in me if I'm at 240 or 700,the only possibility is that if you have always been low ,then to you everything is normal because you have nothing to compare it to.Got the handle from the movie and t.v. show,by the same name.Take care and let me know what your doc says. Rick-

Re: Questions about testosterone > Rick, you are the expert that we have all been > looking for to answer our questions on Testosterone, > since you are sensible, so thanks for your comments. > > Since you have been taking Testosterone for 15 years, > and you are age 45, you started pretty young... I > suppose you were not low on testosterone then, were > you? If you took it for body-building reasons, that > to me is a valid reason, as long as you didn't also > cause yourself any physical damage doing it. Did > you cause yourself any physical damage in this time? > > So let me ask you about side effects, because this > is what I want to avoid. Does taking testosterone > enanthate (which you say is long-lasting and that is > why you like it) every 2 weeks increase your sex > drive, or does it end up decreasing your sex drive? > Does it make you produce more sperm and have a > tremendous sex drive? I have read that it might > shrink your testicles, and I am afraid of that. > Also, I have read that it might take away sex drive, > and I am afraid of that. Have you tested for > estradiol and female hormones, or how have you done > to control that? > > You can read my very limited experience with > testosterone here. I would like to know if after > you read this you would think a shot of testosterone > now and then would be good for me, or if I should > stick to testosterone cream? (right now I have > suspended all testosterone and all hormones, for a > period of one month... but later I intend to start > taking the testosterone cream again...) > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5000/testosterone.html > > Also... can you tell us what you look for in your > testosterone blood tests? What do you test for, and > what have been your results, and how do YOU interpret > them. I liked how you explained how you interpret > results, and I agree with you. > > Do you also take growth hormone? If so, it has not > been for 15 years, so I would like to know what has > been your experience before and after growth hormone, > that is, did it improve your results when combined > with your testosterone shots? > > Also... if we would read only ONE book, which do you > suggest? > > Thanks for your help. - Ellis > > --- Highlander <highlander@...> wrote: > > Actually the gold text is kinnda cool.I recieve my > > prescription from my personal doctor.I give myself > > the injections,you may have a problem with a doctor > > who is willing to do this though,it depends on the > > doctor.I have tried just about all the different > > testosterones and methods of administrating > > them.That is the usual way to find out what works > > best and at what dosage do you achieve the desired > > redults.The injectable I use is Testosterone > > Enanthate by Schein.My dose is 1 cc every 2 to 4 > > weeks.This form is one of the longest lasting,that's > > why I decieded on it,most other forms do not last > > nearly that long.What is your t level,I missed > > that.What is considered norma is very misleading > > because they say normal is something like 200 to > > arround 850 ,I don't remember the exact range.The > > problem with this range is that while anything in > > that range is supposed to be normal,the actual > > percentage is roughly 85 to 90 % of all males is in > > the 400 to 850 range so if you have say 275 you are > > technicaly normal but in fact you are substantialy > > lower than roughly 85 or 90 % lower than everyone > > else.You also need to be careful not to take more > > than you need because although initialy you'll feel > > great but past a point your system stops producing > > it's own supply.I have been taking t now for about > > 15 years,I am age 45,and I have only had about 5 or > > so b;ood tests done,ussualy to make the doctors > > happy.I guess the smart thing is to get them done > > more often if you can afford it but I couldn't > > afford it.Most of the tests needed are to determine > > the proper dosage,then every year or six months just > > to be sure your staying at the proper level.Hope > > this has helped you out a little.If you have any > > other questions please ask. > > > > > > Rick- > > ===== > Ellis Toussier > > See Table of Contents of all my Rejuvenation pages > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5000/table.html > __________________________________________________ >

[Guest guest]

Aw,cmon, guys,

It's getting a little out of hand when the posts reach over 1900 lines.

How about highlighting the pertinent part you're answering to, and a little

judicial editing. You know, a sense of community.....

Chuck

I don't mean to make you feel guilty, but I would if I could

On Sun, 27 Feb 2000 14:37:01 -0800, " Highlander " <highlander@...> wrote:

>

>O.K. well I have tried similar products like Zen,Rest-eze,etc.,and although

they seam to work I don't think they work half as well.The last T test I had

was about 6 years ago and I have no idea what the levels were except for my t

level which was arround 700.No I don't use any saw palmetto,or anything else for

that matter.If your not having any sexual problems then I wouldn't worry about

it too much,but I would still

[Guest guest]

Good point, Chuck.

I don't much care how precise people are about editing and highlighting, and

people have different styles, but we should not let the entire thread be

included in each new post of the thread. In general each new post should

contain only one previous message.

-gts

[Guest guest]

hey, i think they should be able to write what they want to. If you don't

want to read it just delete. So simple. mz

[Guest guest]

I agree that previous messages need not be included,I believe I can switch

that option off each reply.As for the content of each individual reply if I

didn't think it was nessasary I wouldn't write it in the first place.I know

it's a drag getting long answers to things you have no interest in.I will

try to eliminate previous messages.I think thats a fair comprimise.

Re: Questions about testosterone

> hey, i think they should be able to write what they want to. If you don't

> want to read it just delete. So simple. mz

>

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