Re: a commercial EO analgesic

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

I am new here too, and VERY new to essential oils, but everything that I have

read says that EO's should not be used undiluted on the skin. As someone with

severe allergies to many things, I can certainly back up that doing so could

cause problems. The greater the concentration, even for things that are not

normally irritating, the greater the chance that someone will develop or have an

allergic response to a substance.

That being said, people have violent allergic reactions to therapeutic drugs,

medicines, etc all the time that the regulatory bodies have approved of. I

believe the thinking is that sensitivities and allergies are the problem of the

person experiencing them since one can be allergic to most anything and the

company cannot be expected to forsee that. If reactions are widespread, or

serious, enough one would hope something would be done, but who knows.

Kindest Regards,

--

Don't we love to turn our little blue world, baby, upside down?

[Guest guest]

From: Gillian Fryer [mailto:gfryer@...]

Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:59 PM

Subject: a commercial EO analgesic

I haven't posted before, but I am on a lot of

cosmetic-science-soap-herb related groups...

I was surprised at the lack of response from another technical group so

I wondered what you guy might think...

I heard a radio ad for a patented EO analgesic blend and I looked at

their website and then at their patent application. The product is

called 024,

<snipped for brevity>

Hi Gillian,

You will see in their patent application that aloe vera oil is the first

ingredient (meaning that it is the largest quantity ingredient in the mix).

Aloe vera oil is a carrier oil. What bothers me more is the fact that the

patent application does not mention camphor at all . . . Which is usually

avoided by we aromatherapists because of the high ketone content, and

Japanese is usually *safrole* type. Not to mention the problem synthetic

being sold as a real plant distillate in many cases. My botany information

also tells me that sources are unsure of the botanical accuracy regarding

the Japanese camphor.

Since they don't mention actual proportions in the patent, it is difficult

to tell what their concentration is, however, I would be curious to see the

safety data that they publish for the consumer. Doesn't seem to be any on

the website. I have a great problem with issuing patents for any

combinations of plant-derived extracts that can be produced by anyone . . .

The patenting of neem oil is but one case of indigenous populations being

stripped of their rights to harvest and control the plants in their region.

If you get LinkTV (http://www.linktv.com/), check out the special on family

farms and the importance of getting food control (i.e.,plants of all kinds)

back in the control of the people and not the corporations

http://www.linktv.com/programming/programDescription.php4?code=active_farm

This provocative documentary should move us all to activism.

Back to Swissmedica's product . . . I also have a problem with the purported

scientific research . . . One paper tested for 5 consecutive days, another

for 3 months . . . Nowhere do I see any real information on possible

long-term adverse affects or side affects.

Swissmedica??? This is a Texas company.

I could go on to rant about the US Patent Office, but I'll save that for

another day.

Be well,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane, http://www.wingedseed.com

" First of all, cultivate a contented spirit; a garden is a good place to

begin. "

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:52:52 -0800, " Marcia Elston " <samara@...>

wrote:

> Swissmedica??? This is a Texas company.

Texas??? Source of information? Just curious.

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[Guest guest]

From: -= ß =- [mailto:baudecb1@...]

Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:04 PM

Subject: Re: a commercial EO analgesic

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:52:52 -0800, " Marcia Elston " <samara@...>

wrote:

> Swissmedica??? This is a Texas company.

Texas??? Source of information? Just curious.

-= ß =-

Sorry, patent application was from an individual in Texas, with

assignee being General cosmetics NY . . . but, the company selling the

product is in Candada. Sorry.

Be well,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane, http://www.wingedseed.com

" First of all, cultivate a contented spirit; a garden is a good place to

begin. "

[Guest guest]

> Sorry, patent application was from an individual in Texas, with

> assignee being General cosmetics NY . . . but, the company selling the

> product is in Candada. Sorry.

Ah! Understood. That explains everything.Was not " cold fusion " discovered in

Texas (and Utah) also?

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[Guest guest]

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From: -= ß =- [mailto:baudecb1@...]

Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:41 AM

Subject: Re: a commercial EO analgesic

> Sorry, patent application was from an individual in Texas, with

> assignee being General cosmetics NY . . . but, the company selling the

> product is in Canada. Sorry.

Ah! Understood. That explains everything. Was not " cold fusion " discovered

in

Texas (and Utah) also?

-= ß =-

Errrr . . . then discounted and buried in the desert, leading us to ever

more dependency on fossil fuels? My cynical self seems to be in overdrive

of late. No apology for that.

Be well,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane, http://www.wingedseed.com

" First of all, cultivate a contented spirit; a garden is a good place to

begin. "

[Guest guest]

At 07:13 PM 3/27/2005, you wrote:

>Actually the patent lists a range of percentages.

>

>Aloe vera oil 10-18 %

>Eucalyptus EO 0.5-5%

>Lemon EO 05-5 %

>Orange EO 0.5-5%

>Peppermint EO 65-80%

>Rosemary EO 2-10%

>Calendula (listed elsewhere as Tagetes) EO up to 25%

Hi Everyone:

I thought maybe this discussion was going to veer into the subject of the

scent of the product, to tie it into Natural Perfumery as a healing art,

but all I'm seeing is a discussion on the patent and uniqueness and ethics

of the process. is there something I'm missing?

Still confused to the Calendula/Tagetes mixup. Is that the NP aspect?

Anya

http://anyamccoy.com

" The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day

they start making vacuum cleaners. " -Ernst Jan Plugge

[Guest guest]

Hi Marcia,

Thanks for your research and reporting skills. I was wondering about the aloe

oil as a possible carrier oil as welll but didn't know how to go about

resarching it (without going out int the pouring rain today to a local Rite-Aid

store or GNC) Thaks again for the info!

Jane.

[Guest guest]

>

> >Actually the patent lists a range of percentages.

> >

> >Aloe vera oil 10-18 %

> >Eucalyptus EO 0.5-5%

> >Lemon EO 05-5 %

> >Orange EO 0.5-5%

> >Peppermint EO 65-80%

> >Rosemary EO 2-10%

> >Calendula (listed elsewhere as Tagetes) EO up to 25%

>

> Hi Everyone:

> I thought maybe this discussion was going to veer into the subject of the

> scent of the product, to tie it into Natural Perfumery as a healing art,

> but all I'm seeing is a discussion on the patent and uniqueness and ethics

> of the process. is there something I'm missing?

>

> Anya

Yeah, let's talk scent. Here is what is listed as ingredients on the 024

website:

" Ingredients: Active Ingredient: Camphor 3.1% Inactive Ingredients:

Peppermint Oil, Rosemary Oil, Aloe Vera Oil,

Eucalyptus Oil, Lemon Oil, Orange Oil. "

If the only " active ingredient " listed is Camphor at 3.1%, then I assume the

rest of the ingredients listed as " inactive " are there for the scent or as a

carrier. Aloe would be the carrier as mentioned in earlier posts. Camphor

alone is a pretty strong nasal opening experience! One wouldn't want to smell

of it alone so the addition of other oils to compliment and take the edge off

makes sense. Citruses would raise the mood in accordance with

Aromatherapy and Peppermint/Rosemary would energize,yes? Reminds me

of an orange menthol coughdrop....

As to safety, there are safety warnings for each ingredient if it applies also

listed very clearly on the website. If it works...great. SalonPas is an Asian

sticky patch I use for pain occassionally and has camphor (2.6mg/100mg2)

as an ingredient but without the citruses it smells very medicinal.

Psychologically I like the " medicine " smell...but I'm odd!

As for the Patent: I do patent searches alot for research on old items. They

may not always match what the product may end up being. It;'s a claim on an

idea. 65-80% peppermint? Not likely or it'd burn....

http://www.024zone.com/index.html

Apasara