cheese

[Guest guest]

Thankyou Ali,

I too was AMAZED to read that we can have " C H E E S E " !!! Please let it be

true Duncan, or have we mis-understood you?

God Bless,

Mitzi's Mum(NZ )))

Cheese

I am interested in the recent comments on cheese. I thought cheese was to

be avoided on candida diets, and had no idea it contained beneficial

bacterias. So is this for people who have already recovered or can you eat

cheese while you have candida, and is there a specific kind of cheese that

is better?

Ali

[Guest guest]

Hi Ali;

Different cheeses made with milk from various animals uses different

bacteria but they're nearly all from various strains of lactobacilli.

Yogurt usually has lactobacilli plus bifidobacteria in it.

Sour cabbage too.

Both of these organisms in their various forms are what we're trying to

introduce and maintain in a bowel culture.

I'd say well-aged cheese would be better because most of the sugars will

be used up. The sugars of course are the enemy, not the cheese itself.

Sorry I can't name specific cheeses, but the real thing is better than

process or cheez whiz etc...

Think I'l look that up in my spare time. Some cheese manufacturers guard

their recipe.

Duncan Crow

>

> I am interested in the recent comments on cheese. I thought cheese was to

> be avoided on candida diets, and had no idea it contained beneficial

> bacterias. So is this for people who have already recovered or can you eat

> cheese while you have candida, and is there a specific kind of cheese that

> is better?

>

> Ali

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone

I understood that aged cheeses were not allowed on a Candida diet as they

contain moulds. I'm getting very confused!

Ruth

Wales, UK

Re: Cheese

Hi Ali;

Different cheeses made with milk from various animals uses different

bacteria but they're nearly all from various strains of lactobacilli.

Yogurt usually has lactobacilli plus bifidobacteria in it.

Sour cabbage too.

Both of these organisms in their various forms are what we're trying to

introduce and maintain in a bowel culture.

I'd say well-aged cheese would be better because most of the sugars will

be used up. The sugars of course are the enemy, not the cheese itself.

Sorry I can't name specific cheeses, but the real thing is better than

process or cheez whiz etc...

Think I'l look that up in my spare time. Some cheese manufacturers guard

their recipe.

Duncan Crow

>

> I am interested in the recent comments on cheese. I thought cheese was to

> be avoided on candida diets, and had no idea it contained beneficial

> bacterias. So is this for people who have already recovered or can you eat

> cheese while you have candida, and is there a specific kind of cheese that

> is better?

>

> Ali

[Guest guest]

Cheese can be beneficial - if you can digest it. Cheese can produce

excess mucous for lots of people and that can make your candida

worse.

Duncan, what kind of training do you have?

thanks

> Thankyou Ali,

>

> I too was AMAZED to read that we can have " C H E E S E " !!! Please

let it be true Duncan, or have we mis-understood you?

> God Bless,

> Mitzi's Mum(NZ )))

>

> Cheese

>

>

> I am interested in the recent comments on cheese. I thought

cheese was to

> be avoided on candida diets, and had no idea it contained

beneficial

> bacterias. So is this for people who have already recovered or

can you eat

> cheese while you have candida, and is there a specific kind of

cheese that

> is better?

>

> Ali

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi! Can you tell me how the mucous makes candida worse? Thanks!

Lori

Re: Cheese

Cheese can be beneficial - if you can digest it. Cheese can produce

excess mucous for lots of people and that can make your candida

worse.

Duncan, what kind of training do you have?

thanks

[Guest guest]

I agree the cheese produces varying amounts of mucus in people. There are

no hard-and-fat rules; like all therapies, it's a risk-benefit decision.

You want a probiotic, but you can't afford to take probiotics. The

probiotic-containing foods remain an option for many people, and in self-

health the ultimate decision is the individual's.

Either way, the bowel bacteria will eventually win out over the candida

if it's given the right food, and my focus is on that aspect.

>

> Cheese can be beneficial - if you can digest it. Cheese can produce

> excess mucous for lots of people and that can make your candida worse.

> Duncan, what kind of training do you have? thanks

After a basic interest and occasional studies between 1982 and 1997 and

spare-time work, I underwent nearly full time studies for three years and

then got my ozone therapist certification, which included more wholistic

information. Since 1998 I've been open to the public with a tiny

practice.

My health training is primarily in nutritional, detoxification, ozone

therapy and electromedicine subjects. I'm still learning both through my

associates and on my own. I find the medical archives to be invaluable,

and as you'll note, much of my material comes straight from the research.

What I do at work is support biological balance and encourage the body to

heal itself. That's why I don't advocate drugs as a lifestyle but only as

a last resort.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Yes, I'm the one : )

I know, I just tried the Nu Tofu & it sucks Yechhh

It's called Soyco Rice Cheese.

I don't get the sliced one or the cheddar one b/c I don't like it, but you may

like it.

I get the big block b/c it's cheaper in the long run.

Oh btw, I completely forgot.

Sorry guys & gals.

For anyone who lives in the GTA, I belong to the ONHC which is a buying club for

healthy (not all) products.

Most of the products are dried goods, but I can get eggs, the cheese (when it's

in stock) & some other fresh stuff.

Some of their prices are the same or higher then retail, but for the most part

you get cheaper prices. Just be careful of the expiry dates.

It takes a while to sort thru the booklet & get used to it, but you don't have

to run around & waste gas & it all comes at once.

I was going to start a sector in my neighborhood, but finding a lot of people

who want to buy healthy is next to near impossible LOL

They even have some organic meats if memory serves me, but don't quote me. I'd

have to look it up since I don't buy that.

Finding a good host for your area takes a while to get used to & I found someone

who is good. Just be careful when you fax more than one page b/c she never put

my order thru for the 2nd page & I didn't get all the tofu & cheese I ordered

last month : (

Oh btw, if someone wants to go halves with me on Sol Cuisine Organic Tofu or a

box of Lactose free organic pesto sauce (the only one I know of in the city),

please contact me. I think I can swing getting the tofu wholesale, but there's

no way I can go thru 12 blocks b4 they go bad LOL & the pesto he told me last

time I could p/u a case any time, but we'd have to take turns driving to do the

pickup.

So, I hope that answers your question & more LOL

Have a good night !

: )

Cheese

Hi !

I think it was you who mentioned a really yummy

non-dairy cheese. I was wondering the brand. Mosy soy

and rice ones I have tried kinda taste ok in eggs but

otherwise are super nasty!

*8-)

[Guest guest]

nope. bee reminds us that they are too high in milk-sugar, and the

candida yeast-fungus just loves that stuff! i tried to do goat cheese

for a while, but stopped eating even that, as i had symptoms which

weren't improving. when i talked to bee about it, she told me that

even goat cheese has enough of the milk-sugar to keep feeding the

candida.

~ suz

> Is any kind of cheeses okay on the candida diet?

[Guest guest]

Suz

I believe kefir cheese is acceptable!

Someone correct me if I'm wrong

Irene

[ ] Re: cheese

nope. bee reminds us that they are too high in milk-sugar, and the

candida yeast-fungus just loves that stuff! i tried to do goat cheese

for a while, but stopped eating even that, as i had symptoms which

weren't improving. when i talked to bee about it, she told me that

even goat cheese has enough of the milk-sugar to keep feeding the

candida.

~ suz

> Is any kind of cheeses okay on the candida diet?

[Guest guest]

Dear Irene,

I didn't know there was a kefir cheese. Have you made it or do you

buy it?

I've been able to buy unpasteurized white cheese lately which is 37%

butterfat. When I made it into a cheese sauce to pour over

vegetables I was okay, but eating it raw still caused some problems.

After 1/2 hour candida symptoms seem to increase, indicating it is

triggering something, and it also upsets my stomach.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee

I just make kefir (sometimes with a bit more cream thrown in). When its

done, I pour it into a muslin-type cloth and let hang until most of the

whey is out. Presto, you have kefir cheese (fabulous for dips,

cheesecakes etc.)

Irene

[ ] Re: cheese

Dear Irene,

I didn't know there was a kefir cheese. Have you made it or do you

buy it?

I've been able to buy unpasteurized white cheese lately which is 37%

butterfat. When I made it into a cheese sauce to pour over

vegetables I was okay, but eating it raw still caused some problems.

After 1/2 hour candida symptoms seem to increase, indicating it is

triggering something, and it also upsets my stomach.

Bee

[Guest guest]

wow! kefir cheese! very cool.

i haven't made my own kefir yet, i don't get along very well with

dairy, (except for butter & ghee). but i am interested in making

goat's milk kefir in the near future. then i'll have to try that

kefir cheese! is that a n.t. (nourishing traditions) recipe? it

sounds familiar.

i was reading through my n.t. book last week again, and i forgot how

delicious all those dairy recipes sound! i really will have to get on

the goats milk and see how that does.

do you use goats milk in any recipes? ie: goat piima cream or similar?

thanks for your info irene!

~ suz

> I just make kefir (sometimes with a bit more cream thrown in). When

its

> done, I pour it into a muslin-type cloth and let hang until most of

the

> whey is out. Presto, you have kefir cheese (fabulous for dips,

> cheesecakes etc.)

> Irene

[Guest guest]

Hi Suz

Like you I can't tolerate raw dairy, but surprisingly kefir has posed no

problems, in fact I feel very settled and calm after drinking it. I make

a slightly modified version of the N.T. by varying the amount of cream

that goes in and varying the fermentation time depending on what I want

to do with it. I also make sour cream with the kefir grains, and its

just superb! I have made goat milk kefir, but its a lot runnier and the

taste is a bit strong for my liking (I have also made cheese from this

kefir using the same method I mentioned earlier). The goat kefir cheese

did go well with the shallot and egg salad (as a dressing), I also use

it in the cucumber yoghourt dip ( see N.T.) instead of the yoghourt. The

early morning pick up of 3 egg yolks, 1.5 cups goat kefir, 1 tablespoon

on flax oil or 3-4 tbsp coconut oil (melt first) and half a banana

(optional) - blend together...will keep you going for quite a while

(depending on how much oil you put in). Just make sure you use the kefir

grains (not powder), they are a living organism and need to be looked

after like a pet

I am in the process of developing a kefir cheese-cake recipe, so there

is a lot you can do with kefir!

Irene

[Guest guest]

yum!

i don't have any kefir grains of my own yet, i bet i'll have better

luck with it if i'm making it myself. someday... right now we're

pretty strapped for spending money, so i'm sticking to the basics of

my diet the best i can, and i get my lacto ferment-benefits from my

cultured cabbage. but i'm really interested to experiment with the

kefirs!

thanks irene, i'm inspired!

~ suz

> Hi Suz

> Like you I can't tolerate raw dairy, but surprisingly kefir has

posed no

> problems, in fact I feel very settled and calm after drinking it. I

make

> a slightly modified version of the N.T. by varying the amount of

cream

> that goes in and varying the fermentation time depending on what I

want

> to do with it.

[Guest guest]

Suz!

you only buy the fresh grains once! alternatively you just get to know

like-minded people and ask them for some ( try the WAP discussion

board). As the grains grow in number, most people will be happy to share

theirs. I am always giving mine away. I think kefir is such a magic

food! It saves you hundreds of dollars a year on probiotics amongst

other things, and you can make so many dishes out of it. The only

downside is that it requires attention

let me know when you get some, I'll probably have a few more recipes

ready by then.

Irene

P.S. you can also make water kefir (no milk necessary! a really cost

effective option)

[ ] Re: cheese

yum!

i don't have any kefir grains of my own yet, i bet i'll have better

luck with it if i'm making it myself. someday... right now we're

pretty strapped for spending money, so i'm sticking to the basics of

my diet the best i can, and i get my lacto ferment-benefits from my

cultured cabbage. but i'm really interested to experiment with the

kefirs!

thanks irene, i'm inspired!

~ suz

[Guest guest]

I did not " really " get better until I dropped all dairy. Natural milk sugars

for one and most cheese is aged........even cream cheese and fresh mozarella

bothers me too. Any product that is a fungus or fermented or processed by mold

in some way......soy sauce, mushrooms, worchestershire, cheese, milk, yogurt,

etc.

I got better but the difference after dropping dairy was significant. Cheese is

my favorite food. I craved cheese. Every once in awhile I have some cheese on

a burger and it doesn't bother me but anymore than that and I get dark circles

underneath my eyes, neck and bach aches, depression, PMS, my asthma and sinus

kicks up, I get fatigued and get really stinky feet! In spite of all of that

this girl still loves her cheese and if there was a 12 step dairy group I would

go. So don't be surprised if you really crave cheese once you stop eating it.

It does get easier but you have to work at it.

I started using a little coconut cream in my tea or if I made sauces etc. and

was able to emotionally and psychologically wean myself off of the dairy. I am

telling you I think giving up cigarettes was easier than giving up cheese.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

-

>What's better: imported non-organic European cheeses or domestic

>organic (ie, Organic Valley)?

It really depends on the specific cheese.

-

[Guest guest]

sorry, cheese isn't allowed. Most cheeses have been aged and contain

molds...also, dairy (other than butter, ghee and butter oil) is hard

to digest for the candida suffer.

You might see if your friend can add some butter or maybe some garlic

butter (crushed garlic sauteed in butter) to the veggies to make them

more palatable. Her tastes will change as time goes on.

hth,

jackie

>

> I know this may be a really stupid question but is it ok to have cheese

> in small quantities while on the diet. My friend has also started the

> diet but she is so use to junk food that making her eat vegetables is

> almost impossible, if some cheese is sprinkled on it is more appealing

> to her.

[Guest guest]

>

> I know this may be a really stupid question but is it ok to have

cheese in small quantities while on the diet. My friend has also

started the diet but she is so use to junk food that making her eat

vegetables is almost impossible, if some cheese is sprinkled on it is

more appealing to her.

==>If anyone continues having cheese during this program their progress

will be slow and delayed.

>

> I am thinking that instead of making the electrolyte drink every-so-

> often in the day a better idea would be to just fill a whole 1.5litre

> bottle. How many lemons and teaspoons of cletic sea salt should i add

> to the 1.5 litres?

==>1.5 litres is a lot of water to drink in one day - check out the

Water Folder - you can drink too much water too, and that's not good,

that's why I've purposely made the drink 6 ounces 6 times a day, which

is a little bit more than 1 litre.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Like you, I suspect zero-carb cheese should be OK for people with

candida, but I can't commit. Because cheese has a preponderance of

probiotic bacteria you'd think using it would be an asset.

Some adventurous souls should try it on and see if it fits

Duncan

>

> I also would like to understand about cheese and candida/dysbiosis.

According to the Nutrition Facts on the cheese, it has little or no

carbs. So how does it feed the candida/bacteria? TIA,

>

>

[Guest guest]

My husband eats cheese on a pretty regular basis with no trouble. He

is of the opinion that it does not affect candida, but his only basis

is the carb and sugar count on the package... I also, on rare

occassion, have eaten cheese with no seeming issue. I have noticed

that I cannot lose weight while eating cheese though. I am early in

the diet and tend to lose a couple pounds a week (if not eating

cheese). A short time ago I had asked if there was another component

of cheese and/or dairy that feeds candida??? It would be nice to know

for sure. I hate to hamper our road to health by eating something that

is hurting instead of helping...

> Like you, I suspect zero-carb cheese should be OK for people with

> candida, but I can't commit. Because cheese has a preponderance of

> probiotic bacteria you'd think using it would be an asset.

> > I also would like to understand about cheese and

candida/dysbiosis.

> According to the Nutrition Facts on the cheese, it has little or no

> carbs. So how does it feed the candida/bacteria? TIA,

[Guest guest]

Hehe -- well, I've been wanting to try some, so maybe I'll be the

guinea pig

Gail

> >

> > I also would like to understand about cheese and

candida/dysbiosis.

> According to the Nutrition Facts on the cheese, it has little or no

> carbs. So how does it feed the candida/bacteria? TIA,

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> I am REALLY craving cheese soooo badly right now. I really really

> really want to have some cheese. I can taste the fresh Swiss

> Emmentaler now. Um, help? I'm getting plenty to eat, I just am really

> craving cheese right now. Oh, how I wish cheese wasn't a candida no-

no.

> What to do... what to do... I guess I'll just stuff my face with

> plenty of butter and fatty meats like I always do in hopes to head-off

> the craving.

==>Hi. It's , right? I sooo understand what you are going

through my friend. I had similar cravings when I was on the program.

It's a very tough go sometimes. Hang in there. You are doing the

right thing by eating plenty of butter and other fats. Here's some

other ideas that can help you stave off cravings:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu_2_5_3.php

The best in health, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Bee... It is .

I am feeling terribly depressed, ADD, and spaced today. I feel so

odd... and I am just on the verge of crying. I feel terrible. I

couldn't resist my urges... I failed, and I broke into my temptation

for cheese and had raw emmentaler with my dinner. I needed something

to help soothe me, I guess. I still feel terrible of course, b/c now I

feel guilty for having the cheese.

I feel so alone in my journey... All of my friends in 'real life' live

normal eating lives and I feel so 'odd' and it is really emotionally

difficult for me.

There is so much conflicting information all over the internet and I

am once again so exhausted by tryingt to weed out what is right and

what is wrong, and whether or not I even have candida or not. I feel

so lost and alone.

> ==>Hi. It's , right? I sooo understand what you are going

> through my friend. I had similar cravings when I was on the program.

> It's a very tough go sometimes. Hang in there. You are doing the

> right thing by eating plenty of butter and other fats. Here's some

> other ideas that can help you stave off cravings:

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu_2_5_3.php

>

> The best in health, Bee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, I understand what you're going through. My

friends cannot understand why I don't want to drink beer. I do want

to drink, but I can't because of candida. How do you tell them you

have candida when it doesn't exist according to the majority of MDs

in North America. I asked a doctor once, and she basically said it

can't exist internally, and dismissed my mouth ulcers... Also, when I

went out with a co-worker (I'm in Korea now) and I purposely didn't

order a coke or a beer, but then she poured me a coke and wanted me

to drink it since she poured it. That's kind of annoying. I am

going to tell them about candida, so they can lay off me, and I am

going to eat in restaurants that would have protein type dishes and

rice intead of bread.

>

>

> Yes, Bee... It is .

>

> I am feeling terribly depressed, ADD, and spaced today. I feel so

> odd... and I am just on the verge of crying. I feel terrible. I

> couldn't resist my urges... I failed, and I broke into my temptation

> for cheese and had raw emmentaler with my dinner. I needed something

> to help soothe me, I guess. I still feel terrible of course, b/c

now I

> feel guilty for having the cheese.

>

> I feel so alone in my journey... All of my friends in 'real life'

live

> normal eating lives and I feel so 'odd' and it is really emotionally

> difficult for me.

>

> There is so much conflicting information all over the internet and I

> am once again so exhausted by tryingt to weed out what is right and

> what is wrong, and whether or not I even have candida or not. I feel

> so lost and alone.

>

> > ==>Hi. It's , right? I sooo understand what you are going

> > through my friend. I had similar cravings when I was on the

program.

> > It's a very tough go sometimes. Hang in there. You are doing

the

> > right thing by eating plenty of butter and other fats. Here's

some

> > other ideas that can help you stave off cravings:

> > http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu_2_5_3.php

> >

> > The best in health, Bee

> > >

> >

>