Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something?

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Subject: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing

something?

In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.

I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that the

increased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.

Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vascular

disease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?

Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?

Comments?

(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse a

kyphosis.;-)

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

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Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GA

Division of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School of

Medicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.

dkado@...

OBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic posture

and rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.

DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.

SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.

PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho Bernardo

Study who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visit

between 1988 and 1991.

MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocks

that needed to be placed under the participant's head to achieve a neutral

head position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic and

clinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinic

visit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for an

average of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed using

review of death certificates.

RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocks

under the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, was

more common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-

and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44

greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1.86, P=.005).

In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated with

hyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%

CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphotic

posture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due to

atherosclerosis.

CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture have

higher mortality rates.

[Guest guest]

Wouldn’t a rocket surgeon be a mechaninc?

DR. CHARLES A CAUGHLIN DC CAC

155 NW 1ST

JOHN DAY, OR 97845

541-575-1063

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Abrahamson

Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:33 PM

oregon dc listserve

Subject: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing

something?

In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.

I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that the

increased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.

Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vascular

disease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?

Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?

Comments?

(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse a

kyphosis.;-)

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

FROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662‹1667

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & am

p;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_uids=15450042 & amp;query_hl=2 & amp;itool=pubmed_d

ocsum>

Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GA

Division of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School of

Medicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.

dkado@...

OBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic posture

and rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.

DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.

SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.

PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho Bernardo

Study who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visit

between 1988 and 1991.

MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocks

that needed to be placed under the participant's head to achieve a neutral

head position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic and

clinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinic

visit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for an

average of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed using

review of death certificates.

RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocks

under the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, was

more common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-

and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44

greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1.86, P=.005).

In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated with

hyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%

CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphotic

posture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due to

atherosclerosis.

CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture have

higher mortality rates.

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We need to better understand the mechanics of hyperkyphosis on the heart and lungs. Is the atherosclerosis due to increased mechanical pressure on the heart from a squished chest cavity? Is it due to irritation/stretching of the sympathetic nerves? Or is the correlation due to hyperkyphotic people not eating, moving, and thinking well in general and the lifestyle causes ALL of it.The study seems to merely point out the correlation but does not explore the etiology. Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWPDoctor of Chiropractic (DC)Certified Chiropractic Wellness Practitioner (CCWP)Advanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1@... On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Abrahamson wrote:In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_uids=15450042 & amp;query_hl=2 & amp;itool=pubmed_docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant's head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1.86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

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We need to better understand the mechanics of hyperkyphosis on the heart and lungs. Is the atherosclerosis due to increased mechanical pressure on the heart from a squished chest cavity? Is it due to irritation/stretching of the sympathetic nerves? Or is the correlation due to hyperkyphotic people not eating, moving, and thinking well in general and the lifestyle causes ALL of it.The study seems to merely point out the correlation but does not explore the etiology. Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWPDoctor of Chiropractic (DC)Certified Chiropractic Wellness Practitioner (CCWP)Advanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1@... On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Abrahamson wrote:In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_uids=15450042 & amp;query_hl=2 & amp;itool=pubmed_docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant's head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1.86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

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Well, nobody thought the spine (i.e. "posture") could cause deafness or high blood pressure either... (:-)

RR.

Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something?

We need to better understand the mechanics of hyperkyphosis on the heart and lungs. Is the atherosclerosis due to increased mechanical pressure on the heart from a squished chest cavity? Is it due to irritation/stretching of the sympathetic nerves? Or is the correlation due to hyperkyphotic people not eating, moving, and thinking well in general and the lifestyle causes ALL of it.

The study seems to merely point out the correlation but does not explore the etiology.

Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWP

Doctor of Chiropractic (DC)

Certified Chiropractic Wellness Practitioner (CCWP)

Advanced Chiropractic

1295 Wallace Rd NW

Salem, OR 97304

503-361-3949

drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net

On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Abrahamson wrote:

In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_uids=15450042 & amp;query_hl=2 & amp;itool=pubmed_docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant's head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1.86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

[Guest guest]

Well, nobody thought the spine (i.e. "posture") could cause deafness or high blood pressure either... (:-)

RR.

Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something?

We need to better understand the mechanics of hyperkyphosis on the heart and lungs. Is the atherosclerosis due to increased mechanical pressure on the heart from a squished chest cavity? Is it due to irritation/stretching of the sympathetic nerves? Or is the correlation due to hyperkyphotic people not eating, moving, and thinking well in general and the lifestyle causes ALL of it.

The study seems to merely point out the correlation but does not explore the etiology.

Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWP

Doctor of Chiropractic (DC)

Certified Chiropractic Wellness Practitioner (CCWP)

Advanced Chiropractic

1295 Wallace Rd NW

Salem, OR 97304

503-361-3949

drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net

On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Abrahamson wrote:

In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_uids=15450042 & amp;query_hl=2 & amp;itool=pubmed_docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant's head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1.86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

[Guest guest]

Well, nobody thought the spine (i.e. "posture") could cause deafness or high blood pressure either... (:-)

RR.

Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something?

We need to better understand the mechanics of hyperkyphosis on the heart and lungs. Is the atherosclerosis due to increased mechanical pressure on the heart from a squished chest cavity? Is it due to irritation/stretching of the sympathetic nerves? Or is the correlation due to hyperkyphotic people not eating, moving, and thinking well in general and the lifestyle causes ALL of it.

The study seems to merely point out the correlation but does not explore the etiology.

Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWP

Doctor of Chiropractic (DC)

Certified Chiropractic Wellness Practitioner (CCWP)

Advanced Chiropractic

1295 Wallace Rd NW

Salem, OR 97304

503-361-3949

drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net

On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Abrahamson wrote:

In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_uids=15450042 & amp;query_hl=2 & amp;itool=pubmed_docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant's head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1.86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

[Guest guest]

As we discuss studies of this nature, focusing on the soft tissue/organ disease component, we need to remember the structural component - which we know and relate to oh so well - isn't even or ever considered by that side of medicine. There will be NO corelation or attempto to discover any corelation of this nature in their research. These are the types of studies that we could build on, however ..............

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

CC: Oregondcs To: drscott@...From: drjdyson1@...Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 08:14:29 -0800Subject: Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something?

We need to better understand the mechanics of hyperkyphosis on the heart and lungs. Is the atherosclerosis due to increased mechanical pressure on the heart from a squished chest cavity? Is it due to irritation/stretching of the sympathetic nerves? Or is the correlation due to hyperkyphotic people not eating, moving, and thinking well in general and the lifestyle causes ALL of it.

The study seems to merely point out the correlation but does not explore the etiology.

Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWP

Doctor of Chiropractic (DC)

Certified Chiropractic Wellness Practitioner (CCWP)

Advanced Chiropractic

1295 Wallace Rd NW

Salem, OR 97304

503-361-3949

drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net

On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Abrahamson wrote:

In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_uids=15450042 & amp;query_hl=2 & amp;itool=pubmed_docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant's head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1.86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

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As we discuss studies of this nature, focusing on the soft tissue/organ disease component, we need to remember the structural component - which we know and relate to oh so well - isn't even or ever considered by that side of medicine. There will be NO corelation or attempto to discover any corelation of this nature in their research. These are the types of studies that we could build on, however ..............

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

CC: Oregondcs To: drscott@...From: drjdyson1@...Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 08:14:29 -0800Subject: Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something?

We need to better understand the mechanics of hyperkyphosis on the heart and lungs. Is the atherosclerosis due to increased mechanical pressure on the heart from a squished chest cavity? Is it due to irritation/stretching of the sympathetic nerves? Or is the correlation due to hyperkyphotic people not eating, moving, and thinking well in general and the lifestyle causes ALL of it.

The study seems to merely point out the correlation but does not explore the etiology.

Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWP

Doctor of Chiropractic (DC)

Certified Chiropractic Wellness Practitioner (CCWP)

Advanced Chiropractic

1295 Wallace Rd NW

Salem, OR 97304

503-361-3949

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On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Abrahamson wrote:

In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_uids=15450042 & amp;query_hl=2 & amp;itool=pubmed_docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant's head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1.86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

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y, y, y:

While we chiros should certainly not pull the same BS as the medical field and

substitute " causation " for " association " in order to invoke fear and line our

pockets with money, there is a legitimate and salient issue for ALL chiros and

patients re. posture.

1-There IS such a thing as optimal or ideal global (full spine) posture (and

sub-optimal posture). This is not disputed.

2-Sub-optimal/non-ideal posture is rampant/pandemic. Also not disputed.

3-Sub-optimal posture is expressed EARLY in life in human beings. (i.e. the poor

posture comes FIRST, before other chronic diseases). Again, non-controversial.

4-A growing number of scientific studies are consistently showing that there is

a direct association between sub-optimal/poor posture and the morbidity of a

whole array of health issues (including death apparently). True story.

5-Better posture is associated with improved health outcomes. (Don't make me

look this up)

So what conclusions might one draw from the above?

How about this:

6-Intervening early and improving posture is a VERY GOOD IDEA!

7-Chiropractors are relatively expert (one hopes) at understanding the

importance of global optimal posture and teaching good posture to patients and

even performing postural-optimization chiropractic care on their patients (and

hopefully we can intervene earlier in life, rather than later).

As most of know, many (perhaps most) chiros are obsessed with intersegmental

function. While that is all well and good, any chiropractor who is not

addressing global posture in a truly meaningful way, is missing a significant

part of their health-optimizing potential.

p.s. BTW for you insurance nerds the ICD code for plain-old global poor posture

is 781.92 (same code is used for c-spine alordosis and/or L-spine hyperlordosis

et al) I kid you not, that we use this code on prolly 75% or our patients BTW

(Just coding what I see)!!!

>

>

> In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.

> I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that the

> increased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.

> Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vascular

> disease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?

> Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?

> Comments?

>

> (I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse a

> kyphosis.;-)

>

>

> E. Abrahamson, D.C.

> Chiropractic physician

> Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

> 315 Second Street

> Lake Oswego, OR 97034

> 503-635-6246

> Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

>

>

>

> FROM:   J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct);   52 (10):   1662‹1667

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & am

> p;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_uids=15450042 & amp;query_hl=2 & amp;itool=pubmed_d

> ocsum>

>

> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GA

>

> Division of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School of

> Medicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.

> dkado@...

>

>

> OBJECTIVES:   To determine the association between hyperkyphotic posture

> and rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.

>

> DESIGN:   Prospective cohort study.

>

> SETTING:   Rancho Bernardo, California.

>

> PARTICIPANTS:   Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho Bernardo

> Study who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visit

> between 1988 and 1991.

>

> MEASURES:   Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocks

> that needed to be placed under the participant's head to achieve a neutral

> head position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic and

> clinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinic

> visit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for an

> average of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed using

> review of death certificates.

>

> RESULTS:   Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocks

> under the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, was

> more common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-

> and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44

> greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1.86, P=.005).

> In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated with

> hyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%

> CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphotic

> posture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due to

> atherosclerosis.

>

> CONCLUSION:   Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture have

> higher mortality rates.

>

[Guest guest]

y, y, y:

While we chiros should certainly not pull the same BS as the medical field and

substitute " causation " for " association " in order to invoke fear and line our

pockets with money, there is a legitimate and salient issue for ALL chiros and

patients re. posture.

1-There IS such a thing as optimal or ideal global (full spine) posture (and

sub-optimal posture). This is not disputed.

2-Sub-optimal/non-ideal posture is rampant/pandemic. Also not disputed.

3-Sub-optimal posture is expressed EARLY in life in human beings. (i.e. the poor

posture comes FIRST, before other chronic diseases). Again, non-controversial.

4-A growing number of scientific studies are consistently showing that there is

a direct association between sub-optimal/poor posture and the morbidity of a

whole array of health issues (including death apparently). True story.

5-Better posture is associated with improved health outcomes. (Don't make me

look this up)

So what conclusions might one draw from the above?

How about this:

6-Intervening early and improving posture is a VERY GOOD IDEA!

7-Chiropractors are relatively expert (one hopes) at understanding the

importance of global optimal posture and teaching good posture to patients and

even performing postural-optimization chiropractic care on their patients (and

hopefully we can intervene earlier in life, rather than later).

As most of know, many (perhaps most) chiros are obsessed with intersegmental

function. While that is all well and good, any chiropractor who is not

addressing global posture in a truly meaningful way, is missing a significant

part of their health-optimizing potential.

p.s. BTW for you insurance nerds the ICD code for plain-old global poor posture

is 781.92 (same code is used for c-spine alordosis and/or L-spine hyperlordosis

et al) I kid you not, that we use this code on prolly 75% or our patients BTW

(Just coding what I see)!!!

>

>

> In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.

> I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that the

> increased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.

> Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vascular

> disease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?

> Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?

> Comments?

>

> (I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse a

> kyphosis.;-)

>

>

> E. Abrahamson, D.C.

> Chiropractic physician

> Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

> 315 Second Street

> Lake Oswego, OR 97034

> 503-635-6246

> Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

>

>

>

> FROM:   J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct);   52 (10):   1662‹1667

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & am

> p;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_uids=15450042 & amp;query_hl=2 & amp;itool=pubmed_d

> ocsum>

>

> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GA

>

> Division of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School of

> Medicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.

> dkado@...

>

>

> OBJECTIVES:   To determine the association between hyperkyphotic posture

> and rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.

>

> DESIGN:   Prospective cohort study.

>

> SETTING:   Rancho Bernardo, California.

>

> PARTICIPANTS:   Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho Bernardo

> Study who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visit

> between 1988 and 1991.

>

> MEASURES:   Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocks

> that needed to be placed under the participant's head to achieve a neutral

> head position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic and

> clinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinic

> visit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for an

> average of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed using

> review of death certificates.

>

> RESULTS:   Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocks

> under the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, was

> more common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-

> and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44

> greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1.86, P=.005).

> In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated with

> hyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%

> CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphotic

> posture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due to

> atherosclerosis.

>

> CONCLUSION:   Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture have

> higher mortality rates.

>

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I think both are correct with an emphasis on the latter. The corresponding atherosclerosis and hyperkyphotic posture is a result of the not eating/moving/thinking well with an emphasis on the moving part. You can see this reflected in the posture of all sedentary individuals when compared to those who regularly engage in activity. The problem is that abnormal posture has become the norm and does not look all that odd in today's motion-starved people. In fact our posture is simply the sum of all our movements, non-movements and thoughts throughout a life. So, not moving will give you both bad posture and age you prematurely. We could probably measure many other factors such as insulin resistance, 4X cortisol, respiratory efficiency etc. and find correlation to

hyperkyphotic posture as well. As more research in this area is done, we will discover that not only is postural health dependent on movement, but the health of every system of the body is as well. Cheers,Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic and Movement Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211503-789-8923From: Jamey Dyson <drjdyson1@...> Abrahamson <drscott@...>Cc: oregon dc listserve

<Oregondcs >Sent: Tue, March 2, 2010 8:14:29 AMSubject: Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something?

We need to better understand the mechanics of hyperkyphosis on the heart and lungs. Is the atherosclerosis due to increased mechanical pressure on the heart from a squished chest cavity? Is it due to irritation/stretchi ng of the sympathetic nerves? Or is the correlation due to hyperkyphotic people not eating, moving, and thinking well in general and the lifestyle causes ALL of it.The study seems to merely point out the correlation but does not explore the etiology. Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWPDoctor of Chiropractic (DC)Certified Chiropractic Wellness Practitioner (CCWP)Advanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Abrahamson wrote:In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic

physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ entrez/query. fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_ uids=15450042 & amp;query_ hl=2 & amp; itool=pubmed_ docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California,

Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant' s head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a

clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1. 86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

[Guest guest]

I think both are correct with an emphasis on the latter. The corresponding atherosclerosis and hyperkyphotic posture is a result of the not eating/moving/thinking well with an emphasis on the moving part. You can see this reflected in the posture of all sedentary individuals when compared to those who regularly engage in activity. The problem is that abnormal posture has become the norm and does not look all that odd in today's motion-starved people. In fact our posture is simply the sum of all our movements, non-movements and thoughts throughout a life. So, not moving will give you both bad posture and age you prematurely. We could probably measure many other factors such as insulin resistance, 4X cortisol, respiratory efficiency etc. and find correlation to

hyperkyphotic posture as well. As more research in this area is done, we will discover that not only is postural health dependent on movement, but the health of every system of the body is as well. Cheers,Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic and Movement Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211503-789-8923From: Jamey Dyson <drjdyson1@...> Abrahamson <drscott@...>Cc: oregon dc listserve

<Oregondcs >Sent: Tue, March 2, 2010 8:14:29 AMSubject: Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something?

We need to better understand the mechanics of hyperkyphosis on the heart and lungs. Is the atherosclerosis due to increased mechanical pressure on the heart from a squished chest cavity? Is it due to irritation/stretchi ng of the sympathetic nerves? Or is the correlation due to hyperkyphotic people not eating, moving, and thinking well in general and the lifestyle causes ALL of it.The study seems to merely point out the correlation but does not explore the etiology. Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWPDoctor of Chiropractic (DC)Certified Chiropractic Wellness Practitioner (CCWP)Advanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Abrahamson wrote:In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic

physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ entrez/query. fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_ uids=15450042 & amp;query_ hl=2 & amp; itool=pubmed_ docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California,

Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant' s head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a

clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1. 86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

[Guest guest]

Dr. Speery, the first to elucidate the function of the two cerebral hemispheres of the brain, and for which he won a Nobel Prize in Medicine in 1982, made the following statement in his address accepting the award: "Better than 90% of the brain's activity goes to just keeping us upright in gravity. The more efficient one's posture, the more energy one has for healing oneself in more significant ways."Dr. Ida Rolf shortly thereafter joined with Dr. Speery in promoting what they called "Verticality," or the next step in human evolution toward greater health and self-healing. Verticality, of course, is another name for good posture.The compressive effects of postural distortions are obviously the most reasonable explanation for the poor health effects of an inefficient relationship to gravity. This assumption is supported by observations of improved health indices as posture improves.In a nutshell, here's the mechanics I've been instructing patients to engage daily in order to improve their posture: Notice, that each of these postures takes the neutral spine, with the head supported to bring the forehead and the chin into a parallel plane, and then sustained in a restful, relaxing manner with conscious breathing, working critical angles from the coccyx to the occiput. In this manner, I've found that tonic compensations and NS centralizations can be reversed as patients ease their way back toward comfortable balances in gravity. Seated meditation is the art of balancing in gravity, resting effortlessly on our bones, rather than on tight muscles and burden compressed organs. Practiced daily, this simple at-home active care regimen, can do for chiropractic patients what brushing teeth every day does for good dental health. Sears, DC, IAYT1218 NW 21st AvePortland, Oregon 97209v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.comOn Mar 2, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Lindekugel wrote: I think both are correct with an emphasis on the latter. The corresponding atherosclerosis and hyperkyphotic posture is a result of the not eating/moving/thinking well with an emphasis on the moving part. You can see this reflected in the posture of all sedentary individuals when compared to those who regularly engage in activity. The problem is that abnormal posture has become the norm and does not look all that odd in today's motion-starved people. In fact our posture is simply the sum of all our movements, non-movements and thoughts throughout a life. So, not moving will give you both bad posture and age you prematurely. We could probably measure many other factors such as insulin resistance, 4X cortisol, respiratory efficiency etc. and find correlation to hyperkyphotic posture as well. As more research in this area is done, we will discover that not only is postural health dependent on movement, but the health of every system of the body is as well. Cheers,Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic and Movement Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211503-789-8923From: Jamey Dyson <drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net> Abrahamson <drscottlakeoswegochiro>Cc: oregon dc listserve <Oregondcs >Sent: Tue, March 2, 2010 8:14:29 AMSubject: Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something? We need to better understand the mechanics of hyperkyphosis on the heart and lungs. Is the atherosclerosis due to increased mechanical pressure on the heart from a squished chest cavity? Is it due to irritation/stretchi ng of the sympathetic nerves? Or is the correlation due to hyperkyphotic people not eating, moving, and thinking well in general and the lifestyle causes ALL of it.The study seems to merely point out the correlation but does not explore the etiology. Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWPDoctor of Chiropractic (DC)Certified Chiropractic Wellness Practitioner (CCWP)Advanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Abrahamson wrote:In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ entrez/query. fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_ uids=15450042 & amp;query_ hl=2 & amp; itool=pubmed_ docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant' s head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1. 86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

[Guest guest]

Dr. Speery, the first to elucidate the function of the two cerebral hemispheres of the brain, and for which he won a Nobel Prize in Medicine in 1982, made the following statement in his address accepting the award: "Better than 90% of the brain's activity goes to just keeping us upright in gravity. The more efficient one's posture, the more energy one has for healing oneself in more significant ways."Dr. Ida Rolf shortly thereafter joined with Dr. Speery in promoting what they called "Verticality," or the next step in human evolution toward greater health and self-healing. Verticality, of course, is another name for good posture.The compressive effects of postural distortions are obviously the most reasonable explanation for the poor health effects of an inefficient relationship to gravity. This assumption is supported by observations of improved health indices as posture improves.In a nutshell, here's the mechanics I've been instructing patients to engage daily in order to improve their posture: Notice, that each of these postures takes the neutral spine, with the head supported to bring the forehead and the chin into a parallel plane, and then sustained in a restful, relaxing manner with conscious breathing, working critical angles from the coccyx to the occiput. In this manner, I've found that tonic compensations and NS centralizations can be reversed as patients ease their way back toward comfortable balances in gravity. Seated meditation is the art of balancing in gravity, resting effortlessly on our bones, rather than on tight muscles and burden compressed organs. Practiced daily, this simple at-home active care regimen, can do for chiropractic patients what brushing teeth every day does for good dental health. Sears, DC, IAYT1218 NW 21st AvePortland, Oregon 97209v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.comOn Mar 2, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Lindekugel wrote: I think both are correct with an emphasis on the latter. The corresponding atherosclerosis and hyperkyphotic posture is a result of the not eating/moving/thinking well with an emphasis on the moving part. You can see this reflected in the posture of all sedentary individuals when compared to those who regularly engage in activity. The problem is that abnormal posture has become the norm and does not look all that odd in today's motion-starved people. In fact our posture is simply the sum of all our movements, non-movements and thoughts throughout a life. So, not moving will give you both bad posture and age you prematurely. We could probably measure many other factors such as insulin resistance, 4X cortisol, respiratory efficiency etc. and find correlation to hyperkyphotic posture as well. As more research in this area is done, we will discover that not only is postural health dependent on movement, but the health of every system of the body is as well. Cheers,Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic and Movement Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211503-789-8923From: Jamey Dyson <drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net> Abrahamson <drscottlakeoswegochiro>Cc: oregon dc listserve <Oregondcs >Sent: Tue, March 2, 2010 8:14:29 AMSubject: Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something? We need to better understand the mechanics of hyperkyphosis on the heart and lungs. Is the atherosclerosis due to increased mechanical pressure on the heart from a squished chest cavity? Is it due to irritation/stretchi ng of the sympathetic nerves? Or is the correlation due to hyperkyphotic people not eating, moving, and thinking well in general and the lifestyle causes ALL of it.The study seems to merely point out the correlation but does not explore the etiology. Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWPDoctor of Chiropractic (DC)Certified Chiropractic Wellness Practitioner (CCWP)Advanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Abrahamson wrote:In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ entrez/query. fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_ uids=15450042 & amp;query_ hl=2 & amp; itool=pubmed_ docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant' s head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1. 86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

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Dr. Speery, the first to elucidate the function of the two cerebral hemispheres of the brain, and for which he won a Nobel Prize in Medicine in 1982, made the following statement in his address accepting the award: "Better than 90% of the brain's activity goes to just keeping us upright in gravity. The more efficient one's posture, the more energy one has for healing oneself in more significant ways."Dr. Ida Rolf shortly thereafter joined with Dr. Speery in promoting what they called "Verticality," or the next step in human evolution toward greater health and self-healing. Verticality, of course, is another name for good posture.The compressive effects of postural distortions are obviously the most reasonable explanation for the poor health effects of an inefficient relationship to gravity. This assumption is supported by observations of improved health indices as posture improves.In a nutshell, here's the mechanics I've been instructing patients to engage daily in order to improve their posture: Notice, that each of these postures takes the neutral spine, with the head supported to bring the forehead and the chin into a parallel plane, and then sustained in a restful, relaxing manner with conscious breathing, working critical angles from the coccyx to the occiput. In this manner, I've found that tonic compensations and NS centralizations can be reversed as patients ease their way back toward comfortable balances in gravity. Seated meditation is the art of balancing in gravity, resting effortlessly on our bones, rather than on tight muscles and burden compressed organs. Practiced daily, this simple at-home active care regimen, can do for chiropractic patients what brushing teeth every day does for good dental health. Sears, DC, IAYT1218 NW 21st AvePortland, Oregon 97209v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.comOn Mar 2, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Lindekugel wrote: I think both are correct with an emphasis on the latter. The corresponding atherosclerosis and hyperkyphotic posture is a result of the not eating/moving/thinking well with an emphasis on the moving part. You can see this reflected in the posture of all sedentary individuals when compared to those who regularly engage in activity. The problem is that abnormal posture has become the norm and does not look all that odd in today's motion-starved people. In fact our posture is simply the sum of all our movements, non-movements and thoughts throughout a life. So, not moving will give you both bad posture and age you prematurely. We could probably measure many other factors such as insulin resistance, 4X cortisol, respiratory efficiency etc. and find correlation to hyperkyphotic posture as well. As more research in this area is done, we will discover that not only is postural health dependent on movement, but the health of every system of the body is as well. Cheers,Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic and Movement Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211503-789-8923From: Jamey Dyson <drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net> Abrahamson <drscottlakeoswegochiro>Cc: oregon dc listserve <Oregondcs >Sent: Tue, March 2, 2010 8:14:29 AMSubject: Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something? We need to better understand the mechanics of hyperkyphosis on the heart and lungs. Is the atherosclerosis due to increased mechanical pressure on the heart from a squished chest cavity? Is it due to irritation/stretchi ng of the sympathetic nerves? Or is the correlation due to hyperkyphotic people not eating, moving, and thinking well in general and the lifestyle causes ALL of it.The study seems to merely point out the correlation but does not explore the etiology. Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWPDoctor of Chiropractic (DC)Certified Chiropractic Wellness Practitioner (CCWP)Advanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Abrahamson wrote:In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ entrez/query. fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_ uids=15450042 & amp;query_ hl=2 & amp; itool=pubmed_ docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant' s head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1. 86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

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Well said, .

At the same time, one of the acquired hyperkyphosis cases I have involves a 'pull' from unknown sources. My current take on this is genetic component that became squewed ..... could be way off base, having no way to back up my theory, but there IS a force there beyond my current ken or ability to resolve/quiet/change or stop. it is way beyond poor posture....or the 'fault' of the patient.

Sunny

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drjdyson1@...; drscott@...CC: Oregondcs From: pdxchiroguy@...Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:37:32 -0800Subject: Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something?

I think both are correct with an emphasis on the latter. The corresponding atherosclerosis and hyperkyphotic posture is a result of the not eating/moving/thinking well with an emphasis on the moving part. You can see this reflected in the posture of all sedentary individuals when compared to those who regularly engage in activity. The problem is that abnormal posture has become the norm and does not look all that odd in today's motion-starved people. In fact our posture is simply the sum of all our movements, non-movements and thoughts throughout a life. So, not moving will give you both bad posture and age you prematurely. We could probably measure many other factors such as insulin resistance, 4X cortisol, respiratory efficiency etc. and find correlation to hyperkyphotic posture as well. As more research in this area is done, we will discover that not only is postural health dependent on movement, but the health of every system of the body is as well. Cheers,Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic and Movement Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211503-789-8923

From: Jamey Dyson <drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net> Abrahamson <drscottlakeoswegochiro>Cc: oregon dc listserve <Oregondcs >Sent: Tue, March 2, 2010 8:14:29 AMSubject: Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something?

We need to better understand the mechanics of hyperkyphosis on the heart and lungs. Is the atherosclerosis due to increased mechanical pressure on the heart from a squished chest cavity? Is it due to irritation/stretchi ng of the sympathetic nerves? Or is the correlation due to hyperkyphotic people not eating, moving, and thinking well in general and the lifestyle causes ALL of it.

The study seems to merely point out the correlation but does not explore the etiology.

Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWP

Doctor of Chiropractic (DC)

Certified Chiropractic Wellness Practitioner (CCWP)

Advanced Chiropractic

1295 Wallace Rd NW

Salem, OR 97304

503-361-3949

drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net

On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Abrahamson wrote:

In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ entrez/query. fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_ uids=15450042 & amp;query_ hl=2 & amp; itool=pubmed_ docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant' s head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1. 86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

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Well said, .

At the same time, one of the acquired hyperkyphosis cases I have involves a 'pull' from unknown sources. My current take on this is genetic component that became squewed ..... could be way off base, having no way to back up my theory, but there IS a force there beyond my current ken or ability to resolve/quiet/change or stop. it is way beyond poor posture....or the 'fault' of the patient.

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

drjdyson1@...; drscott@...CC: Oregondcs From: pdxchiroguy@...Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:37:32 -0800Subject: Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something?

I think both are correct with an emphasis on the latter. The corresponding atherosclerosis and hyperkyphotic posture is a result of the not eating/moving/thinking well with an emphasis on the moving part. You can see this reflected in the posture of all sedentary individuals when compared to those who regularly engage in activity. The problem is that abnormal posture has become the norm and does not look all that odd in today's motion-starved people. In fact our posture is simply the sum of all our movements, non-movements and thoughts throughout a life. So, not moving will give you both bad posture and age you prematurely. We could probably measure many other factors such as insulin resistance, 4X cortisol, respiratory efficiency etc. and find correlation to hyperkyphotic posture as well. As more research in this area is done, we will discover that not only is postural health dependent on movement, but the health of every system of the body is as well. Cheers,Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic and Movement Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211503-789-8923

From: Jamey Dyson <drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net> Abrahamson <drscottlakeoswegochiro>Cc: oregon dc listserve <Oregondcs >Sent: Tue, March 2, 2010 8:14:29 AMSubject: Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something?

We need to better understand the mechanics of hyperkyphosis on the heart and lungs. Is the atherosclerosis due to increased mechanical pressure on the heart from a squished chest cavity? Is it due to irritation/stretchi ng of the sympathetic nerves? Or is the correlation due to hyperkyphotic people not eating, moving, and thinking well in general and the lifestyle causes ALL of it.

The study seems to merely point out the correlation but does not explore the etiology.

Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWP

Doctor of Chiropractic (DC)

Certified Chiropractic Wellness Practitioner (CCWP)

Advanced Chiropractic

1295 Wallace Rd NW

Salem, OR 97304

503-361-3949

drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net

On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Abrahamson wrote:

In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ entrez/query. fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_ uids=15450042 & amp;query_ hl=2 & amp; itool=pubmed_ docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant' s head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1. 86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

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Actually, what happens is, aberrant motion causes NEURAL RE-WIRING! In other words, if a joint/muscle/tendon/motion-unit moves "wrong" long enough...it LITERALLY re-wires the brain. Re-programs it. Cells "re-organize" themselves based upon these "wrong" signals from the tissue.

Disease is just the end result of that...(therefore, its the "symptom" not the problem). That's why trying to medically/chemically treat "chronic" disease is often so futile... (:-)

RR.

Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something?

y, y, y:While we chiros should certainly not pull the same BS as the medical field and substitute "causation" for "association" in order to invoke fear and line our pockets with money, there is a legitimate and salient issue for ALL chiros and patients re. posture.1-There IS such a thing as optimal or ideal global (full spine) posture (and sub-optimal posture). This is not disputed.2-Sub-optimal/non-ideal posture is rampant/pandemic. Also not disputed.3-Sub-optimal posture is expressed EARLY in life in human beings. (i.e. the poor posture comes FIRST, before other chronic diseases). Again, non-controversial.4-A growing number of scientific studies are consistently showing that there is a direct association between sub-optimal/poor posture and the morbidity of a whole array of health issues (including death apparently). True story.5-Better posture is associated with improved health outcomes. (Don't make me look this up)So what conclusions might one draw from the above?How about this:6-Intervening early and improving posture is a VERY GOOD IDEA!7-Chiropractors are relatively expert (one hopes) at understanding the importance of global optimal posture and teaching good posture to patients and even performing postural-optimization chiropractic care on their patients (and hopefully we can intervene earlier in life, rather than later).As most of know, many (perhaps most) chiros are obsessed with intersegmental function. While that is all well and good, any chiropractor who is not addressing global posture in a truly meaningful way, is missing a significant part of their health-optimizing potential.p.s. BTW for you insurance nerds the ICD code for plain-old global poor posture is 781.92 (same code is used for c-spine alordosis and/or L-spine hyperlordosis et al) I kid you not, that we use this code on prolly 75% or our patients BTW (Just coding what I see)!!! >> > In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.> I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that the> increased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.> Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vascular> disease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?> Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?> Comments?> > (I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse a> kyphosis.;-)> > > E. Abrahamson, D.C.> Chiropractic physician> Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic> 315 Second Street> Lake Oswego, OR 97034> 503-635-6246> Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com> > > > FROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662‹1667> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & am> p;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_uids=15450042 & amp;query_hl=2 & amp;itool=pubmed_d> ocsum> > > Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GA> > Division of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School of> Medicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.> dkado@...> > > OBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic posture> and rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.> > DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.> > SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.> > PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho Bernardo> Study who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visit> between 1988 and 1991.> > MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocks> that needed to be placed under the participant's head to achieve a neutral> head position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic and> clinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinic> visit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for an> average of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed using> review of death certificates.> > RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocks> under the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, was> more common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-> and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44> greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1.86, P=.005).> In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated with> hyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%> CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphotic> posture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due to> atherosclerosis. > > CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture have> higher mortality rates.>

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Actually, what happens is, aberrant motion causes NEURAL RE-WIRING! In other words, if a joint/muscle/tendon/motion-unit moves "wrong" long enough...it LITERALLY re-wires the brain. Re-programs it. Cells "re-organize" themselves based upon these "wrong" signals from the tissue.

Disease is just the end result of that...(therefore, its the "symptom" not the problem). That's why trying to medically/chemically treat "chronic" disease is often so futile... (:-)

RR.

Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something?

y, y, y:While we chiros should certainly not pull the same BS as the medical field and substitute "causation" for "association" in order to invoke fear and line our pockets with money, there is a legitimate and salient issue for ALL chiros and patients re. posture.1-There IS such a thing as optimal or ideal global (full spine) posture (and sub-optimal posture). This is not disputed.2-Sub-optimal/non-ideal posture is rampant/pandemic. Also not disputed.3-Sub-optimal posture is expressed EARLY in life in human beings. (i.e. the poor posture comes FIRST, before other chronic diseases). Again, non-controversial.4-A growing number of scientific studies are consistently showing that there is a direct association between sub-optimal/poor posture and the morbidity of a whole array of health issues (including death apparently). True story.5-Better posture is associated with improved health outcomes. (Don't make me look this up)So what conclusions might one draw from the above?How about this:6-Intervening early and improving posture is a VERY GOOD IDEA!7-Chiropractors are relatively expert (one hopes) at understanding the importance of global optimal posture and teaching good posture to patients and even performing postural-optimization chiropractic care on their patients (and hopefully we can intervene earlier in life, rather than later).As most of know, many (perhaps most) chiros are obsessed with intersegmental function. While that is all well and good, any chiropractor who is not addressing global posture in a truly meaningful way, is missing a significant part of their health-optimizing potential.p.s. BTW for you insurance nerds the ICD code for plain-old global poor posture is 781.92 (same code is used for c-spine alordosis and/or L-spine hyperlordosis et al) I kid you not, that we use this code on prolly 75% or our patients BTW (Just coding what I see)!!! >> > In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.> I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that the> increased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.> Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vascular> disease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?> Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?> Comments?> > (I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse a> kyphosis.;-)> > > E. Abrahamson, D.C.> Chiropractic physician> Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic> 315 Second Street> Lake Oswego, OR 97034> 503-635-6246> Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com> > > > FROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662‹1667> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & am> p;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_uids=15450042 & amp;query_hl=2 & amp;itool=pubmed_d> ocsum> > > Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GA> > Division of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School of> Medicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.> dkado@...> > > OBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic posture> and rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.> > DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.> > SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.> > PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho Bernardo> Study who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visit> between 1988 and 1991.> > MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocks> that needed to be placed under the participant's head to achieve a neutral> head position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic and> clinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinic> visit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for an> average of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed using> review of death certificates.> > RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocks> under the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, was> more common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-> and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44> greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1.86, P=.005).> In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated with> hyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%> CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphotic> posture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due to> atherosclerosis. > > CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture have> higher mortality rates.>

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Well said Jay

In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswe gochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ entrez/query. fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_ uids=15450042 & amp;query_ hl=2 & amp; itool=pubmed_ docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in

older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant' s head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine,

wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1. 86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

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Well said Jay

In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswe gochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ entrez/query. fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_ uids=15450042 & amp;query_ hl=2 & amp; itool=pubmed_ docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in

older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant' s head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine,

wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1. 86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

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Well said Jay

In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that theincreased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vasculardisease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?Comments?(I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse akyphosis.;-) E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswe gochiro.comFROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662—1667<http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ entrez/query. fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & amp;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_ uids=15450042 & amp;query_ hl=2 & amp; itool=pubmed_ docsum> Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GADivision of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School ofMedicine at University of California, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.dkadomednet (DOT) ucla.eduOBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic postureand rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in

older persons.DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho BernardoStudy who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visitbetween 1988 and 1991.MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocksthat needed to be placed under the participant' s head to achieve a neutralhead position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic andclinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinicvisit using standard questionnaires. Participants were followed for anaverage of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed usingreview of death certificates.RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocksunder the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine,

wasmore common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1. 86, P=.005).In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated withhyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphoticposture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due toatherosclerosis. CONCLUSION: Older men and women with hyperkyphotic posture havehigher mortality rates.

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Can someone send me / us the link to the above study. The one I saw at the end of 's email only leads to a site but not the study.

Just a note watched a cervical surgery video on the net yesterday. What a motivater that could be to keep people in care in the idea of avoiding surgery.

From: spbkchiro97132 <spbkchiro@...>Subject: Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something? Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 9:01 AM

y, y, y:While we chiros should certainly not pull the same BS as the medical field and substitute "causation" for "association" in order to invoke fear and line our pockets with money, there is a legitimate and salient issue for ALL chiros and patients re. posture.1-There IS such a thing as optimal or ideal global (full spine) posture (and sub-optimal posture). This is not disputed.2-Sub-optimal/ non-ideal posture is rampant/pandemic. Also not disputed.3-Sub-optimal posture is expressed EARLY in life in human beings. (i.e. the poor posture comes FIRST, before other chronic diseases). Again, non-controversial.4-A growing number of scientific studies are consistently showing that there is a direct association between sub-optimal/ poor posture and the morbidity of a whole array of health issues (including death apparently). True story.5-Better posture is associated with improved health

outcomes. (Don't make me look this up)So what conclusions might one draw from the above?How about this:6-Intervening early and improving posture is a VERY GOOD IDEA!7-Chiropractors are relatively expert (one hopes) at understanding the importance of global optimal posture and teaching good posture to patients and even performing postural-optimizati on chiropractic care on their patients (and hopefully we can intervene earlier in life, rather than later).As most of know, many (perhaps most) chiros are obsessed with intersegmental function. While that is all well and good, any chiropractor who is not addressing global posture in a truly meaningful way, is missing a significant part of their health-optimizing potential.p.s. BTW for you insurance nerds the ICD code for plain-old global poor posture is 781.92 (same code is used for c-spine alordosis and/or L-spine hyperlordosis et al) I kid you not, that we use

this code on prolly 75% or our patients BTW (Just coding what I see)!!! >> > In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.> I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that the> increased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.> Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vascular> disease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?> Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?> Comments?> > (I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse a> kyphosis.;-)> > > E.

Abrahamson, D.C.> Chiropractic physician> Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic> 315 Second Street> Lake Oswego, OR 97034> 503-635-6246> Website: http://www.lakeoswe gochiro.com> > > > FROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662‹1667> <http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ entrez/query. fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & am> p;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_ uids=15450042 & amp;query_ hl=2 & amp; itool=pubmed_ d> ocsum> > > Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GA> > Division of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School of> Medicine at University of California, Los

Angeles, California 90095, USA.> dkado@...> > > OBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic posture> and rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.> > DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.> > SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.> > PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho Bernardo> Study who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visit> between 1988 and 1991.> > MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocks> that needed to be placed under the participant' s head to achieve a neutral> head position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic and> clinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinic> visit using standard questionnaires. Participants were

followed for an> average of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed using> review of death certificates.> > RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocks> under the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, was> more common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-> and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44> greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1. 86, P=.005).> In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated with> hyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%> CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphotic> posture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due to> atherosclerosis. > > CONCLUSION: Older men and

women with hyperkyphotic posture have> higher mortality rates.>

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Can someone send me / us the link to the above study. The one I saw at the end of 's email only leads to a site but not the study.

Just a note watched a cervical surgery video on the net yesterday. What a motivater that could be to keep people in care in the idea of avoiding surgery.

From: spbkchiro97132 <spbkchiro@...>Subject: Re: Hyperkyphosis and Mortality-am I missing something? Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 9:01 AM

y, y, y:While we chiros should certainly not pull the same BS as the medical field and substitute "causation" for "association" in order to invoke fear and line our pockets with money, there is a legitimate and salient issue for ALL chiros and patients re. posture.1-There IS such a thing as optimal or ideal global (full spine) posture (and sub-optimal posture). This is not disputed.2-Sub-optimal/ non-ideal posture is rampant/pandemic. Also not disputed.3-Sub-optimal posture is expressed EARLY in life in human beings. (i.e. the poor posture comes FIRST, before other chronic diseases). Again, non-controversial.4-A growing number of scientific studies are consistently showing that there is a direct association between sub-optimal/ poor posture and the morbidity of a whole array of health issues (including death apparently). True story.5-Better posture is associated with improved health

outcomes. (Don't make me look this up)So what conclusions might one draw from the above?How about this:6-Intervening early and improving posture is a VERY GOOD IDEA!7-Chiropractors are relatively expert (one hopes) at understanding the importance of global optimal posture and teaching good posture to patients and even performing postural-optimizati on chiropractic care on their patients (and hopefully we can intervene earlier in life, rather than later).As most of know, many (perhaps most) chiros are obsessed with intersegmental function. While that is all well and good, any chiropractor who is not addressing global posture in a truly meaningful way, is missing a significant part of their health-optimizing potential.p.s. BTW for you insurance nerds the ICD code for plain-old global poor posture is 781.92 (same code is used for c-spine alordosis and/or L-spine hyperlordosis et al) I kid you not, that we use

this code on prolly 75% or our patients BTW (Just coding what I see)!!! >> > In this study (below) touted by chiropractors, Kyphosis can lead to death.> I finally read it and realized that they just happened to mention that the> increased rate of death was due to atherosclerosis.> Now I'm not a rocket surgeon but how the heck does posture lead to vascular> disease? Or is it just that people who are stooped over just give up sooner?> Or is it that their posture inhibits breathing?> Comments?> > (I have heard that frequency specific microcurrent will reverse a> kyphosis.;-)> > > E.

Abrahamson, D.C.> Chiropractic physician> Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic> 315 Second Street> Lake Oswego, OR 97034> 503-635-6246> Website: http://www.lakeoswe gochiro.com> > > > FROM: J Am Geriatr Soc 2004 (Oct); 52 (10): 1662‹1667> <http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ entrez/query. fcgi?db=pubmed & amp;cmd=Retrieve & am> p;dopt=AbstractPlus & amp;list_ uids=15450042 & amp;query_ hl=2 & amp; itool=pubmed_ d> ocsum> > > Kado DM, Huang MH, Karlamangla AS, Barrett-Connor E, Greendale GA> > Division of Geriatrics, Department of Medicine, Geffen School of> Medicine at University of California, Los

Angeles, California 90095, USA.> dkado@...> > > OBJECTIVES: To determine the association between hyperkyphotic posture> and rate of mortality and cause-specific mortality in older persons.> > DESIGN: Prospective cohort study.> > SETTING: Rancho Bernardo, California.> > PARTICIPANTS: Subjects were 1,353 participants from the Rancho Bernardo> Study who had measurements of kyphotic posture made at an osteoporosis visit> between 1988 and 1991.> > MEASURES: Kyphotic posture was measured as the number of 1.7-cm blocks> that needed to be placed under the participant' s head to achieve a neutral> head position when lying supine on a radiology table. Demographic and> clinical characteristics and health behaviors were assessed at a clinic> visit using standard questionnaires. Participants were

followed for an> average of 4.2 years, with mortality and cause of death confirmed using> review of death certificates.> > RESULTS: Hyperkyphotic posture, defined as requiring one or more blocks> under the occiput to achieve a neutral head position while lying supine, was> more common in men than women (44% in men, 22% of women, P<.0001). In age-> and sex-adjusted analyses, persons with hyperkyphotic posture had a 1.44> greater rate of mortality (95% confidence interval (CI)=1.12-1. 86, P=.005).> In multiply adjusted models, the increased rate of death associated with> hyperkyphotic posture remained significant (relative hazard=1.40, 95%> CI=1.08-1.81, P=.012). In cause-specific mortality analyses, hyperkyphotic> posture was specifically associated with an increased rate of death due to> atherosclerosis. > > CONCLUSION: Older men and

women with hyperkyphotic posture have> higher mortality rates.>