Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

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Who got Mercola all fired up today? glad he is on our side.

>A friend of yours highly recommends you read this health article:>http://www.mercola.com/display/router.aspx?docid=32405 This article>comes from http://www.mercola.com, one of the Web's most visited and>trusted health information sites.>>

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do you have the link for this?elevatordance <elevatordance@...> wrote: Who got Mercola all fired up today? glad he is on our side. >A friend of yours highly recommends you read this health article:>http://www.mercola.com/display/router.aspx?docid=32405 This article>comes from http://www.mercola.com, one of the Web's most visited and>trusted health information sites.>>

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the link below didn't work?

From: Maurine Meleck maurine_meleck@...Reply-EOHarm To: EOHarm Subject: Re: FW: Healthy News Article from Mercola.comDate: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:07:46 -0800 (PST)

do you have the link for this?elevatordance <elevatordancemsn> wrote:

Who got Mercola all fired up today? glad he is on our side.

>A friend of yours highly recommends you read this health article:>http://www.mercola.com/display/router.aspx?docid=32405 This article>comes from http://www.mercola.com, one of the Web's most visited and>trusted health information sites.>>

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trying again to get a hyper link. I may have to learn this tiny url thingy .

From: ", Heidi" <H@...> <Elevatordance@...>Subject: FW: Healthy News Article from Mercola.comDate: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:52:57 -0500>>> Healthy News Article from Mercola.com>>A friend of yours highly recommends you read this health article:>http://www.mercola.com/display/router.aspx?docid=32405 This article>comes from http://www.mercola.com, one of the Web's most visited and>trusted health information sites.>>

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See if this will work: http://www.mercola.com/2006/mar/21/cdc_fights_mercury_removal_in_vaccines.htm or this (the original link below had spaces where there shouldn't have been any): http://www.mercola.com/display/router.aspx?docid=32405 Aasaelevatordance <elevatordance@...> wrote: trying again to get a hyper link. I may have to learn this tiny url thingy . From: ", Heidi" <HBARNEYS> <Elevatordancemsn>Subject: FW: Healthy News Article from Mercola.comDate: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:52:57 -0500>>> Healthy News Article from Mercola.com>>A friend of yours highly recommends you read this health

article:>http://www.mercola.com/display/router.aspx?docid=32405 This article>comes from http://www.mercola.com, one of the Web's most visited and>trusted health information sites.>>

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See if this will work: http://www.mercola.com/2006/mar/21/cdc_fights_mercury_removal_in_vaccines.htm or this (the original link below had spaces where there shouldn't have been any): http://www.mercola.com/display/router.aspx?docid=32405 Aasaelevatordance <elevatordance@...> wrote: trying again to get a hyper link. I may have to learn this tiny url thingy . From: ", Heidi" <HBARNEYS> <Elevatordancemsn>Subject: FW: Healthy News Article from Mercola.comDate: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:52:57 -0500>>> Healthy News Article from Mercola.com>>A friend of yours highly recommends you read this health

article:>http://www.mercola.com/display/router.aspx?docid=32405 This article>comes from http://www.mercola.com, one of the Web's most visited and>trusted health information sites.>>

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thanks. It works. Where did he get his statistics from? Let's have them.Aasa <penas7ar@...> wrote: See if this will work: http://www.mercola.com/2006/mar/21/cdc_fights_mercury_removal_in_vaccines.htm or this (the original link below had spaces where there shouldn't have been any): http://www.mercola.com/display/router.aspx?docid=32405 Aasaelevatordance <elevatordancemsn> wrote: trying again to get a hyper link. I may have to learn this tiny url thingy . From: ", Heidi" <HBARNEYS> <Elevatordancemsn>Subject: FW: Healthy News Article from Mercola.comDate: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:52:57 -0500>>>-----Original

Message----->From: DKiddnjtransit [mailto:DKiddnjtransit]>Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:28 AM>, Heidi>Subject: Healthy News Article from Mercola.com>>A friend of yours highly recommends you read this health article:>http://www.mercola.com/display/router.aspx?docid=32405 This article>comes from http://www.mercola.com, one of the Web's most visited and>trusted health information sites.>>

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Hey, Sara....I think I've seen this before??? Or is it a new interview??

Yes thimerosal (sp) is the main thing regarding vaccines that concern me...thankfully for most of the shots, it's been removed (2003) --- but not with the flu shot...and our kids are still getting these... (I know there is debate regarding the other components of vaccines...I'm not trying to be provocative, only telling what I hear and no to be true) What concerns me about this new Swine Flu vaccine, and my children may or may not get it.....is that's it's too quick. I cannot imagine anything in this day of parental concern regarding Autism....and the debate still raging that they would ask that anything this new, and this unknown be mandatory....I know for me, that if I see that the swine flu is killing little ones...and or adults, what-have-you...if I see that it's loads worse than last spring, and it could be ---- I would consider it, as I'd have to weigh the risks....again there is a risk with everything....It all scares

the CRAP out of me....I hate having to make these decisions...I hate it. I worry if I do, I worry if I don't....same old crap. Sorry for my potty mouth....just tired, tired mommy today. Thanks for sharing this Sara....the debate rages on......OH, I wish we knew for sure, for sure.....The reason I don't is because is vaccinated and the only one that could have affected him was Hep B (which if I had a baby again today....they would NOT come within a foot of my child the first days of his life with a freaking shot for NOTHING, actually they wouldn't the first few months...and then I'd do what I did with john and go realllllllllyyyyy slow ( was the same today, yesterday and forever after his MMR,...so I have no experience with regression --- Also I would have NOT gotten the flu shot when pregnant, as the thimerosal could have been the culprit there as well) ---- e

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------From: Sara <sarapoli@...>autism Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42:07 PMSubject: Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

I think the link will work this time. http://articles. Mercola.com/ sites/articles/ archive/2009/ 07/18/- F-Kennedy- Jr-Explains- the-Autism- Coverup.aspx

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Yes, I think it's an older interview....but interesting.

I didn't realize (at the time) they gave my little guys Hepatitis B, right after they were born. It is freaking crazy that they never considered the accumulative affect of the total number of vaccines.

Sara

Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

I think the link will work this time. http://articles. Mercola.com/ sites/articles/ archive/2009/ 07/18/- F-Kennedy- Jr-Explains- the-Autism- Coverup.aspx

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I truly believe that is what caused Karac's autism. so sad. Pat K

Re: Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

Yes, I think it's an older interview....but interesting.

I didn't realize (at the time) they gave my little guys Hepatitis B, right after they were born. It is freaking crazy that they never considered the accumulative affect of the total number of vaccines.

Sara

Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

I think the link will work this time.

http://articles. Mercola.com/ sites/articles/ archive/2009/ 07/18/- F-Kennedy- Jr-Explains- the-Autism- Coverup.aspx

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When my first grandson was born in 1996, my sister in law sent me a chapter out of book by a Dr. Mendelson which was written in the 80s. He was a Ped and he said that vaccines were time bombs and more were "in the pike" and that the shots that kids were getting in the 80s were dangerous, in his opinion. He really didn't give much information or references to back up his claims. My daughter and Tristan's father, both young parents said they didn't want him to get vaccines based on that, and I pressured them to do it. My 3 children were vaccinated, and in order the get in school he needed them, etc. After he regressed into autism at 23 months, and there was no doubt in my mind at that point it was because of the shots he got days before, I began my research. I am convinced they are dangerous, and that the government is complicit in the business of mandating harmful biological products that harm children and adults. A Dr. Dunbar whose livihood was in vaccines, vaccinated her healthy brother (adult) with the Hep B and he deteriated into a criple in a wheel chair, when she researched, she had access to medical studies which most of us don't, she began to speak out about that vaccine. What most people don't realize is there is NO safe vaccine. All chronic diseases and disorders are up in both children and adults in our country. The most likely cause is compromised and tampered with immune systems caused by vaccines which we all have had over the years. I believe we cannot trust those who are advocating and mandating the swine flu vaccine for all citizens. I plan to resist, and not get the vaccine, regardless of the punishement they dish out to those who don't. If most Americans would take that stance they would not be able to go that far. It amazed me also, that when most Americans have lost trust in their elected officials and government, because of all the corruption that has come to light, they still trust them in this area. I could go on, as I have strong opinions about vaccines, but I realize that some on this list doesn't agree. We should be able to discuss any subjects that we feel pertains to our children with autism, and for the record, Tristan did not get his boosters, he now has a medical exemption. Our beloved doctor who wrote it was provaccine, but he did believe that Tristan could be harmed by more vaccines. He passed away and it is probable that the school will now challenge this. In Texas we have had since 2003 a personal exemption that parents can get through the health department, but the medical authorities are trying to get it rescinded as is the federal government trying to violate that right in every state with the mandating of the swine flu shot. At the same time my grandson was receiving his routine vaccines as an infant my youngest daughter then in High School was getting the Hep B series and MMR booster. She began complaining of pain in certain areas of her bodies that brought her to tears and the doctors implied it was all in her head or growing pains. At 18 a Rheumatogist diagnosed her with Fibromyalgia which she and I now believe was caused by the vaccines she got. I also at the same time got the only flu shot I have ever had, and got flu symptoms (hadn't had the flu in 20 years before that) developed arthritis in my hands, and was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis in 1999. He wanted to put me on a conventional medicine, and told me I would have to go to Ophtamologist monthly as it can cause blindness. I decided I would rather suffer from arthrititis than go blind. Also, I have known several women my age with RA and they are deformed and in severe pain from it, yet they are on more than one RA drug, and I decided if that was the cure, I didn't want it. Now 10 years later there is no visible sign I have it, though I do have flair ups and address them with diet and supplements, and avoiding activities that worsen the symptoms. Sorry this is so long, but the subject of vaccines is my passion and if my story can help even one person, I am happy.

C.

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I am so on the fence w/ this. was born w/ Autism and I see that now! And there have been kids who have not been vaccinated because a sibling had autism and I have a friend on the group that this happened to. Well...the other child ied and that death could have been prevented by vaccinations..StacieSent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: " Carlson" Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:39:19 -0500<autism >Subject: Re: Healthy News Article from Mercola.com When my first grandson was born in 1996, my sister in law sent me a chapter out of book by a Dr. Mendelson which was written in the 80s. He was a Ped and he said that vaccines were time bombs and more were "in the pike" and that the shots that kids were getting in the 80s were dangerous, in his opinion. He really didn't give much information or references to back up his claims. My daughter and Tristan's father, both young parents said they didn't want him to get vaccines based on that, and I pressured them to do it. My 3 children were vaccinated, and in order the get in school he needed them, etc. After he regressed into autism at 23 months, and there was no doubt in my mind at that point it was because of the shots he got days before, I began my research. I am convinced they are dangerous, and that the government is complicit in the business of mandating harmful biological products that harm children and adults. A Dr. Dunbar whose livihood was in vaccines, vaccinated her healthy brother (adult) with the Hep B and he deteriated into a criple in a wheel chair, when she researched, she had access to medical studies which most of us don't, she began to speak out about that vaccine. What most people don't realize is there is NO safe vaccine. All chronic diseases and disorders are up in both children and adults in our country. The most likely cause is compromised and tampered with immune systems caused by vaccines which we all have had over the years. I believe we cannot trust those who are advocating and mandating the swine flu vaccine for all citizens. I plan to resist, and not get the vaccine, regardless of the punishement they dish out to those who don't. If most Americans would take that stance they would not be able to go that far. It amazed me also, that when most Americans have lost trust in their elected officials and government, because of all the corruption that has come to light, they still trust them in this area. I could go on, as I have strong opinions about vaccines, but I realize that some on this list doesn't agree. We should be able to discuss any subjects that we feel pertains to our children with autism, and for the record, Tristan did not get his boosters, he now has a medical exemption. Our beloved doctor who wrote it was provaccine, but he did believe that Tristan could be harmed by more vaccines. He passed away and it is probable that the school will now challenge this. In Texas we have had since 2003 a personal exemption that parents can get through the health department, but the medical authorities are trying to get it rescinded as is the federal government trying to violate that right in every state with the mandating of the swine flu shot. At the same time my grandson was receiving his routine vaccines as an infant my youngest daughter then in High School was getting the Hep B series and MMR booster. She began complaining of pain in certain areas of her bodies that brought her to tears and the doctors implied it was all in her head or growing pains. At 18 a Rheumatogist diagnosed her with Fibromyalgia which she and I now believe was caused by the vaccines she got. I also at the same time got the only flu shot I have ever had, and got flu symptoms (hadn't had the flu in 20 years before that) developed arthritis in my hands, and was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis in 1999. He wanted to put me on a conventional medicine, and told me I would have to go to Ophtamologist monthly as it can cause blindness. I decided I would rather suffer from arthrititis than go blind. Also, I have known several women my age with RA and they are deformed and in severe pain from it, yet they are on more than one RA drug, and I decided if that was the cure, I didn't want it. Now 10 years later there is no visible sign I have it, though I do have flair ups and address them with diet and supplements, and avoiding activities that worsen the symptoms. Sorry this is so long, but the subject of vaccines is my passion and if my story can help even one person, I am happy. C.

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Now I will say that yes I agree, they give to many to fast and that has got to stop. I hate that about these vaccines!StacieSent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: pkuenstler@...Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:14:35 -0400<autism >Subject: Re: Healthy News Article from Mercola.com I truly believe that is what caused Karac's autism. so sad. Pat K Re: Healthy News Article from Mercola.com Yes, I think it's an older interview....but interesting. I didn't realize (at the time) they gave my little guys Hepatitis B, right after they were born. It is freaking crazy that they never considered the accumulative affect of the total number of vaccines. Sara Healthy News Article from Mercola.com I think the link will work this time. http://articles. Mercola.com/ sites/articles/ archive/2009/ 07/18/- F-Kennedy- Jr-Explains- the-Autism- Coverup.aspx What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion.

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Hi, Stace...it's such a painful thing isn't it?? This questioning about the how's and why's...I like you do not have the same regressive type experience...but I do appreciate that others have. I'm on the fence as well.....but again only because I saw such early signs...(4 months I knew something was wrong, as I was "jumping through hoops" for eye contact --- again this is a provocative topic for the very reason you mention...as all our experiences are different.

Lily was a preemie (NT) --- He was intubated for the first 12 days, and then on C-pap for 3 weeks, then on full oxygen until her 8th week in the hospital...she came home from the NICU at 9 1/2 weeks...I did vaccinate her on time, as well as she had RSV shots from the time she was 5 months till 1 yr...as she was these ages during RSV and Flu season...our preemie kiddos can die if they get RSV or Flu --- so with .....I did...The only one I worry about is the Hep B, as well as the flu shots....I did it more slowly then recommended...cause I was already seeing signs of Autism and I didn't want to inundate him with too much......but vaccinations were a given as I had had the preemie experience, I was not going to lose my child to whooping cough, or the flu or RSV, as she was truly at risk of death...Lily is NT and hit the ground running.....She does have sensory issues, but I relate that back to her early NICU experience...nothing like

a born sensitive kid having a tube down to her lungs and tummy (breath and food) as well as needles in her head and tubes hooked to her tummy, etc.......I would have them too

I know that before 2003, kids were still getting shots with Thimerosal --- those kiddos were exposed to way, way too much mercury in my humble opinion.....for us, since 2003 that has been taken out....but the rates have not dropped....

I still have soooooooooooooooooooo many questions ---

In the meantime I just plug along like the rest...doing all I can for him today!

Love to you Stacie,

e

From: stacie <hawkie6@...>autism Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:00:29 AMSubject: Re: Re: Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

I am so on the fence w/ this. was born w/ Autism and I see that now! And there have been kids who have not been vaccinated because a sibling had autism and I have a friend on the group that this happened to. Well...the other child ied and that death could have been prevented by vaccinations. .Stacie Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

From: " Carlson" Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:39:19 -0500<AutismBehaviorProbl emsgroups (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

When my first grandson was born in 1996, my sister in law sent me a chapter out of book by a Dr. Mendelson which was written in the 80s. He was a Ped and he said that vaccines were time bombs and more were "in the pike" and that the shots that kids were getting in the 80s were dangerous, in his opinion. He really didn't give much information or references to back up his claims. My daughter and Tristan's father, both young parents said they didn't want him to get vaccines based on that, and I pressured them to do it. My 3 children were vaccinated, and in order the get in school he needed them, etc. After he regressed into autism at 23 months, and there was no doubt in my mind at that point it was because of the shots he got days before, I began my research. I am convinced they are dangerous, and that the government is complicit in the business of mandating harmful biological products that

harm children and adults. A Dr. Dunbar whose livihood was in vaccines, vaccinated her healthy brother (adult) with the Hep B and he deteriated into a criple in a wheel chair, when she researched, she had access to medical studies which most of us don't, she began to speak out about that vaccine. What most people don't realize is there is NO safe vaccine. All chronic diseases and disorders are up in both children and adults in our country. The most likely cause is compromised and tampered with immune systems caused by vaccines which we all have had over the years. I believe we cannot trust those who are advocating and mandating the swine flu vaccine for all citizens. I plan to resist, and not get the vaccine, regardless of the punishement they dish out to those who don't. If most Americans would take that stance they would not be able to go that far. It amazed me also, that when most Americans have lost trust in

their elected officials and government, because of all the corruption that has come to light, they still trust them in this area. I could go on, as I have strong opinions about vaccines, but I realize that some on this list doesn't agree. We should be able to discuss any subjects that we feel pertains to our children with autism, and for the record, Tristan did not get his boosters, he now has a medical exemption. Our beloved doctor who wrote it was provaccine, but he did believe that Tristan could be harmed by more vaccines. He passed away and it is probable that the school will now challenge this. In Texas we have had since 2003 a personal exemption that parents can get through the health department, but the medical authorities are trying to get it rescinded as is the federal government trying to violate that right in every state with the mandating of the swine flu shot. At the same time my grandson was receiving his

routine vaccines as an infant my youngest daughter then in High School was getting the Hep B series and MMR booster. She began complaining of pain in certain areas of her bodies that brought her to tears and the doctors implied it was all in her head or growing pains. At 18 a Rheumatogist diagnosed her with Fibromyalgia which she and I now believe was caused by the vaccines she got. I also at the same time got the only flu shot I have ever had, and got flu symptoms (hadn't had the flu in 20 years before that) developed arthritis in my hands, and was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis in 1999. He wanted to put me on a conventional medicine, and told me I would have to go to Ophtamologist monthly as it can cause blindness. I decided I would rather suffer from arthrititis than go blind.. Also, I have known several women my age with RA and they are deformed and in severe pain from it, yet they are on more than one RA

drug, and I decided if that was the cure, I didn't want it. Now 10 years later there is no visible sign I have it, though I do have flair ups and address them with diet and supplements, and avoiding activities that worsen the symptoms. Sorry this is so long, but the subject of vaccines is my passion and if my story can help even one person, I am happy.

C.

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Lily was intubated --- was a preemie...john was full term, but I still had the normal mommy gitters after my first experience being that of having a NICU baby --- so, even though john was full term, vaccinating him was important to me for the reasons below......but I did go a LOT slower and he does not get the flu shot...he gets the flu mist now that he is older....

OK, maybe that clarifies my mumbo jumbo LOL

j

From: Two Blessings <ljdjd1234@...>autism Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 10:33:13 AMSubject: Re: Re: Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

Hi, Stace...it's such a painful thing isn't it?? This questioning about the how's and why's...I like you do not have the same regressive type experience.. .but I do appreciate that others have. I'm on the fence as well.....but again only because I saw such early signs...(4 months I knew something was wrong, as I was "jumping through hoops" for eye contact --- again this is a provocative topic for the very reason you mention...as all our experiences are different.

Lily was a preemie (NT) --- He was intubated for the first 12 days, and then on C-pap for 3 weeks, then on full oxygen until her 8th week in the hospital...she came home from the NICU at 9 1/2 weeks...I did vaccinate her on time, as well as she had RSV shots from the time she was 5 months till 1 yr...as she was these ages during RSV and Flu season...our preemie kiddos can die if they get RSV or Flu --- so with .....I did...The only one I worry about is the Hep B, as well as the flu shots....I did it more slowly then recommended. ..cause I was already seeing signs of Autism and I didn't want to inundate him with too much.......but vaccinations were a given as I had had the preemie experience, I was not going to lose my child to whooping cough, or the flu or RSV, as she was truly at risk of death...Lily is NT and hit the ground running..... She does have sensory issues, but I relate that back to her early NICU experience.. .nothing

like a born sensitive kid having a tube down to her lungs and tummy (breath and food) as well as needles in her head and tubes hooked to her tummy, etc.......I would have them too

I know that before 2003, kids were still getting shots with Thimerosal --- those kiddos were exposed to way, way too much mercury in my humble opinion..... for us, since 2003 that has been taken out....but the rates have not dropped....

I still have soooooooooooooooooo oo many questions ---

In the meantime I just plug along like the rest...doing all I can for him today!

Love to you Stacie,

e

From: stacie <hawkie6aol (DOT) com>AutismBehaviorProbl emsgroups (DOT) . comSent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:00:29 AMSubject: Re: Re: Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

I am so on the fence w/ this. was born w/ Autism and I see that now! And there have been kids who have not been vaccinated because a sibling had autism and I have a friend on the group that this happened to. Well...the other child ied and that death could have been prevented by vaccinations. .Stacie Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

From: " Carlson" Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:39:19 -0500<AutismBehaviorProbl emsgroups (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

When my first grandson was born in 1996, my sister in law sent me a chapter out of book by a Dr. Mendelson which was written in the 80s. He was a Ped and he said that vaccines were time bombs and more were "in the pike" and that the shots that kids were getting in the 80s were dangerous, in his opinion. He really didn't give much information or references to back up his claims. My daughter and Tristan's father, both young parents said they didn't want him to get vaccines based on that, and I pressured them to do it. My 3 children were vaccinated, and in order the get in school he needed them, etc. After he regressed into autism at 23 months, and there was no doubt in my mind at that point it was because of the shots he got days before, I began my research. I am convinced they are dangerous, and that the government is complicit in the business of mandating harmful biological products that

harm children and adults. A Dr. Dunbar whose livihood was in vaccines, vaccinated her healthy brother (adult) with the Hep B and he deteriated into a criple in a wheel chair, when she researched, she had access to medical studies which most of us don't, she began to speak out about that vaccine. What most people don't realize is there is NO safe vaccine. All chronic diseases and disorders are up in both children and adults in our country. The most likely cause is compromised and tampered with immune systems caused by vaccines which we all have had over the years. I believe we cannot trust those who are advocating and mandating the swine flu vaccine for all citizens. I plan to resist, and not get the vaccine, regardless of the punishement they dish out to those who don't. If most Americans would take that stance they would not be able to go that far. It amazed me also, that when most Americans have lost trust in

their elected officials and government, because of all the corruption that has come to light, they still trust them in this area. I could go on, as I have strong opinions about vaccines, but I realize that some on this list doesn't agree. We should be able to discuss any subjects that we feel pertains to our children with autism, and for the record, Tristan did not get his boosters, he now has a medical exemption. Our beloved doctor who wrote it was provaccine, but he did believe that Tristan could be harmed by more vaccines. He passed away and it is probable that the school will now challenge this. In Texas we have had since 2003 a personal exemption that parents can get through the health department, but the medical authorities are trying to get it rescinded as is the federal government trying to violate that right in every state with the mandating of the swine flu shot. At the same time my grandson was receiving his

routine vaccines as an infant my youngest daughter then in High School was getting the Hep B series and MMR booster. She began complaining of pain in certain areas of her bodies that brought her to tears and the doctors implied it was all in her head or growing pains. At 18 a Rheumatogist diagnosed her with Fibromyalgia which she and I now believe was caused by the vaccines she got. I also at the same time got the only flu shot I have ever had, and got flu symptoms (hadn't had the flu in 20 years before that) developed arthritis in my hands, and was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis in 1999. He wanted to put me on a conventional medicine, and told me I would have to go to Ophtamologist monthly as it can cause blindness. I decided I would rather suffer from arthrititis than go blind... Also, I have known several women my age with RA and they are deformed and in severe pain from it, yet they are on more than one RA

drug, and I decided if that was the cure, I didn't want it. Now 10 years later there is no visible sign I have it, though I do have flair ups and address them with diet and supplements, and avoiding activities that worsen the symptoms. Sorry this is so long, but the subject of vaccines is my passion and if my story can help even one person, I am happy.

C.

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I agree you have a right to your opinion. The reason I think this group is not the place for this type of discussion is because they become very heated and I thought this group was meant to help with support and advice on behavioral issues and dealing with the daily trials and triumphs we all face while living and loving a child with autism. I know there are many places and groups dedicated to the topic of the cause of autism and I don't belong to them because I don't really want to argue this topic constantly and I know I am not alone in my feelings on this. I will say again that I do believe that vaccinations can cause some issues for some kids but in no way are they the CAUSE of all autism. Sorry but I am entitled to my opinion as

well. How many new mothers are you guys scaring into not getting vaccinations for their children? How many children will be disabled or die from the diseases some of these shots prevent if we stop getting vaccinations? Are you guys willing to take credit for that. I think every mother needs to look at the whole picture and make an informed decision whether it be to get no shots, get certain shots and not others or to get the shots on the current schedule or at a slower rate. The key is to look at the whole picture not just a slice. If I had given shots to my she may still be here today. I say may because even though I know in my heart this is the truth I cannot prove it so I don't call it truth just my belief and opinion. This is how I see it and I to feel very passionately about this topic. Kellie

From: Carlson <cathykay@...>autism Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:39:19 AMSubject: Re: Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

When my first grandson was born in 1996, my sister in law sent me a chapter out of book by a Dr. Mendelson which was written in the 80s. He was a Ped and he said that vaccines were time bombs and more were "in the pike" and that the shots that kids were getting in the 80s were dangerous, in his opinion. He really didn't give much information or references to back up his claims. My daughter and Tristan's father, both young parents said they didn't want him to get vaccines based on that, and I pressured them to do it. My 3 children were vaccinated, and in order the get in school he needed them, etc. After he regressed into autism at 23 months, and there was no doubt in my mind at that point it was because of the shots he got days before, I began my research. I am convinced they are dangerous, and that the government is complicit in the business of mandating harmful biological products that

harm children and adults. A Dr. Dunbar whose livihood was in vaccines, vaccinated her healthy brother (adult) with the Hep B and he deteriated into a criple in a wheel chair, when she researched, she had access to medical studies which most of us don't, she began to speak out about that vaccine. What most people don't realize is there is NO safe vaccine. All chronic diseases and disorders are up in both children and adults in our country. The most likely cause is compromised and tampered with immune systems caused by vaccines which we all have had over the years. I believe we cannot trust those who are advocating and mandating the swine flu vaccine for all citizens. I plan to resist, and not get the vaccine, regardless of the punishement they dish out to those who don't. If most Americans would take that stance they would not be able to go that far. It amazed me also, that when most Americans have lost trust in

their elected officials and government, because of all the corruption that has come to light, they still trust them in this area. I could go on, as I have strong opinions about vaccines, but I realize that some on this list doesn't agree. We should be able to discuss any subjects that we feel pertains to our children with autism, and for the record, Tristan did not get his boosters, he now has a medical exemption. Our beloved doctor who wrote it was provaccine, but he did believe that Tristan could be harmed by more vaccines. He passed away and it is probable that the school will now challenge this. In Texas we have had since 2003 a personal exemption that parents can get through the health department, but the medical authorities are trying to get it rescinded as is the federal government trying to violate that right in every state with the mandating of the swine flu shot. At the same time my grandson was receiving his

routine vaccines as an infant my youngest daughter then in High School was getting the Hep B series and MMR booster. She began complaining of pain in certain areas of her bodies that brought her to tears and the doctors implied it was all in her head or growing pains. At 18 a Rheumatogist diagnosed her with Fibromyalgia which she and I now believe was caused by the vaccines she got. I also at the same time got the only flu shot I have ever had, and got flu symptoms (hadn't had the flu in 20 years before that) developed arthritis in my hands, and was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis in 1999. He wanted to put me on a conventional medicine, and told me I would have to go to Ophtamologist monthly as it can cause blindness. I decided I would rather suffer from arthrititis than go blind.. Also, I have known several women my age with RA and they are deformed and in severe pain from it, yet they are on more than one RA

drug, and I decided if that was the cure, I didn't want it. Now 10 years later there is no visible sign I have it, though I do have flair ups and address them with diet and supplements, and avoiding activities that worsen the symptoms. Sorry this is so long, but the subject of vaccines is my passion and if my story can help even one person, I am happy.

C.

[Guest guest]

Hi all,I would like to wade in on this with lots of undeniable statistics but this group is not about that. We are about kids with asd and their behaviors and how to deal with them. Sooooo we all need to get off our individual soap boxes and get back on topic. Just my two cents!! , TACASanta From: Kellie <folkangel@...>To:

autism Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:47:27 PMSubject: Re: Re: Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

I agree you have a right to your opinion. The reason I think this group is not the place for this type of discussion is because they become very heated and I thought this group was meant to help with support and advice on behavioral issues and dealing with the daily trials and triumphs we all face while living and loving a child with autism. I know there are many places and groups dedicated to the topic of the cause of autism and I don't belong to them because I don't really want to argue this topic constantly and I know I am not alone in my feelings on this. I will say again that I do believe that vaccinations can cause some issues for some kids but in no way are they the CAUSE of all autism. Sorry but I am entitled to my opinion as

well. How many new mothers are you guys scaring into not getting vaccinations for their children? How many children will be disabled or die from the diseases some of these shots prevent if we stop getting vaccinations? Are you guys willing to take credit for that. I think every mother needs to look at the whole picture and make an informed decision whether it be to get no shots, get certain shots and not others or to get the shots on the current schedule or at a slower rate. The key is to look at the whole picture not just a slice. If I had given shots to my she may still be here today. I say may because even though I know in my heart this is the truth I cannot prove it so I don't call it truth just my belief and opinion. This is how I see it and I to feel very passionately about this topic. Kellie

From: Carlson <cathykayearthlink (DOT) net>AutismBehaviorProbl emsgroups (DOT) comSent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:39:19 AMSubject: Re: Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

When my first grandson was born in 1996, my sister in law sent me a chapter out of book by a Dr. Mendelson which was written in the 80s. He was a Ped and he said that vaccines were time bombs and more were "in the pike" and that the shots that kids were getting in the 80s were dangerous, in his opinion. He really didn't give much information or references to back up his claims. My daughter and Tristan's father, both young parents said they didn't want him to get vaccines based on that, and I pressured them to do it. My 3 children were vaccinated, and in order the get in school he needed them, etc. After he regressed into autism at 23 months, and there was no doubt in my mind at that point it was because of the shots he got days before, I began my research. I am convinced they are dangerous, and that the government is complicit in the business of mandating harmful biological products

that

harm children and adults. A Dr. Dunbar whose livihood was in vaccines, vaccinated her healthy brother (adult) with the Hep B and he deteriated into a criple in a wheel chair, when she researched, she had access to medical studies which most of us don't, she began to speak out about that vaccine. What most people don't realize is there is NO safe vaccine. All chronic diseases and disorders are up in both children and adults in our country. The most likely cause is compromised and tampered with immune systems caused by vaccines which we all have had over the years. I believe we cannot trust those who are advocating and mandating the swine flu vaccine for all citizens. I plan to resist, and not get the vaccine, regardless of the punishement they dish out to those who don't. If most Americans would take that stance they would not be able to go that far. It amazed me also, that when most Americans have lost trust in

their elected officials and government, because of all the corruption that has come to light, they still trust them in this area. I could go on, as I have strong opinions about vaccines, but I realize that some on this list doesn't agree. We should be able to discuss any subjects that we feel pertains to our children with autism, and for the record, Tristan did not get his boosters, he now has a medical exemption. Our beloved doctor who wrote it was provaccine, but he did believe that Tristan could be harmed by more vaccines. He passed away and it is probable that the school will now challenge this. In Texas we have had since 2003 a personal exemption that parents can get through the health department, but the medical authorities are trying to get it rescinded as is the federal government trying to violate that right in every state with the mandating of the swine flu shot. At the same time my grandson was receiving his

routine vaccines as an infant my youngest daughter then in High School was getting the Hep B series and MMR booster. She began complaining of pain in certain areas of her bodies that brought her to tears and the doctors implied it was all in her head or growing pains. At 18 a Rheumatogist diagnosed her with Fibromyalgia which she and I now believe was caused by the vaccines she got. I also at the same time got the only flu shot I have ever had, and got flu symptoms (hadn't had the flu in 20 years before that) developed arthritis in my hands, and was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis in 1999. He wanted to put me on a conventional medicine, and told me I would have to go to Ophtamologist monthly as it can cause blindness. I decided I would rather suffer from arthrititis than go blind.. Also, I have known several women my age with RA and they are deformed and in severe pain from it, yet they are on more than one RA

drug, and I decided if that was the cure, I didn't want it. Now 10 years later there is no visible sign I have it, though I do have flair ups and address them with diet and supplements, and avoiding activities that worsen the symptoms. Sorry this is so long, but the subject of vaccines is my passion and if my story can help even one person, I am happy.

C.

[Guest guest]

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