Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Can you post the NM scope of practice?s . fuchs dcSent from my iPhoneOn Oct 15, 2009, at 8:47 AM, "vsaboe" <vsaboe@...> wrote: Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’vebeen in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they justpassed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across thecountry. This was much discussed in Dallas,TX during the ACA’s Houseof Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “AdvancedPractice†educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma(who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggettfrom NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue thisprogram and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tellyou many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply aninformal “Uncle Vern Survey†nothing more. With that said I’dlike your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not andwhy? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I needyour responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s LegislativeCommittee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one ofseveral legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtfultime and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodcaol[mailto:rodeodcaol] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 20098:00 AMvsaboecomcast (DOT) net;aca-memberschirolistsSubject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designationfor advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours ofstudy, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginningin 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods includingIV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board ofPharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected intothe body in any manner to be a "dangerous drug" (this includes sterilewater and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of allinjectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have aformulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here isthe initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independentlyas full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage apatient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product thatthe physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences inadministration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee isnow. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practiceswill be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamintherapy. Bill Doggett DC FACOAdvancedPractice Chiropractic FormularyAsproposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 PhysicalMedicine Injection TherapiesAutologous bloodcollagenase,(Dupuytren’s contracture)dextroseglucosamine sulfate,(IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasmasodium morrhuate,Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IVNutritional MedicineAmino acidsAlanineNEArginineNECholineCysteineGlutamineGlycineNEHistidineInositolIsolucineLeucineLysineMetioninePhenylalanineProlineSernineTaurineThreonineTyrosineNETryptophanValine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV useCalcium GluconateChromic ChlorideCuperic SulfateGermanium sesquioxideMagnesium ChlorideMagnesium SulfateManganese SulfateMolybdenumPotassium ChlorideSelenium (seleniousacid)Zinc ChlorideZinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM)Ascorbic AcidCyanocobalaminD3 Dexapanthenol (B5)Folic AcidHydroxocobalaminMethylcobalaminNiacinPyrodoxine HClRiboflavinThiamine AccessoryNutrientsglucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IMor SQ) ChelationCa-EDTA,Na-EDTA(ethylenediaminetetraaceticacid) OtherHCl(to adjust pH)NaHCO3(to adjust pH) Novirus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/0906:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Can you post the NM scope of practice?s . fuchs dcSent from my iPhoneOn Oct 15, 2009, at 8:47 AM, "vsaboe" <vsaboe@...> wrote: Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’vebeen in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they justpassed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across thecountry. This was much discussed in Dallas,TX during the ACA’s Houseof Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “AdvancedPractice†educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma(who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggettfrom NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue thisprogram and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tellyou many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply aninformal “Uncle Vern Survey†nothing more. With that said I’dlike your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not andwhy? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I needyour responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s LegislativeCommittee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one ofseveral legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtfultime and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodcaol[mailto:rodeodcaol] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 20098:00 AMvsaboecomcast (DOT) net;aca-memberschirolistsSubject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designationfor advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours ofstudy, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginningin 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods includingIV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board ofPharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected intothe body in any manner to be a "dangerous drug" (this includes sterilewater and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of allinjectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have aformulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here isthe initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independentlyas full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage apatient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product thatthe physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences inadministration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee isnow. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practiceswill be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamintherapy. Bill Doggett DC FACOAdvancedPractice Chiropractic FormularyAsproposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 PhysicalMedicine Injection TherapiesAutologous bloodcollagenase,(Dupuytren’s contracture)dextroseglucosamine sulfate,(IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasmasodium morrhuate,Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IVNutritional MedicineAmino acidsAlanineNEArginineNECholineCysteineGlutamineGlycineNEHistidineInositolIsolucineLeucineLysineMetioninePhenylalanineProlineSernineTaurineThreonineTyrosineNETryptophanValine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV useCalcium GluconateChromic ChlorideCuperic SulfateGermanium sesquioxideMagnesium ChlorideMagnesium SulfateManganese SulfateMolybdenumPotassium ChlorideSelenium (seleniousacid)Zinc ChlorideZinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM)Ascorbic AcidCyanocobalaminD3 Dexapanthenol (B5)Folic AcidHydroxocobalaminMethylcobalaminNiacinPyrodoxine HClRiboflavinThiamine AccessoryNutrientsglucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IMor SQ) ChelationCa-EDTA,Na-EDTA(ethylenediaminetetraaceticacid) OtherHCl(to adjust pH)NaHCO3(to adjust pH) Novirus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/0906:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 being il-informed what is the law? DR. CHARLES A CAUGHLIN DC CAC 155 NW 1ST JOHN DAY, OR 97845 541-575-1063 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of vsaboe Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:47 AM '' Subject: FW: new mexico law Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’ve been in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they just passed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across the country. This was much discussed in Dallas, TX during the ACA’s House of Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “Advanced Practice” educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma (who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggett from NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue this program and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tell you many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply an informal “Uncle Vern Survey” nothing more. With that said I’d like your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not and why? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I need your responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s Legislative Committee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one of several legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtful time and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodc@... [mailto:rodeodc@...] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:00 AM vsaboe@...; aca-members@... Subject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a " dangerous drug " (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 being il-informed what is the law? DR. CHARLES A CAUGHLIN DC CAC 155 NW 1ST JOHN DAY, OR 97845 541-575-1063 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of vsaboe Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:47 AM '' Subject: FW: new mexico law Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’ve been in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they just passed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across the country. This was much discussed in Dallas, TX during the ACA’s House of Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “Advanced Practice” educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma (who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggett from NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue this program and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tell you many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply an informal “Uncle Vern Survey” nothing more. With that said I’d like your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not and why? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I need your responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s Legislative Committee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one of several legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtful time and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodc@... [mailto:rodeodc@...] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:00 AM vsaboe@...; aca-members@... Subject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a " dangerous drug " (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Charlie, simply look below my post as Dr. Doggett explain the NW law and the advance degree program quite well….Vern From: Dr. A Caughlin DC CAC [mailto:caughlindrc@...] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:39 AM 'vsaboe'; '' Subject: RE: FW: new mexico law being il-informed what is the law? DR. CHARLES A CAUGHLIN DC CAC 155 NW 1ST JOHN DAY, OR 97845 541-575-1063 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of vsaboe Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:47 AM '' Subject: FW: new mexico law Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’ve been in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they just passed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across the country. This was much discussed in Dallas, TX during the ACA’s House of Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “Advanced Practice” educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma (who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggett from NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue this program and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tell you many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply an informal “Uncle Vern Survey” nothing more. With that said I’d like your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not and why? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I need your responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s Legislative Committee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one of several legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtful time and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodc@... [mailto:rodeodc@...] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:00 AM vsaboe@...; aca-members@... Subject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a " dangerous drug " (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I think that anything we can do to expand our capabilities is good. Some will want to do this, others will not. I hope that even those of us that are anti-"medipractor" would appreciate that since we already have a wonderfully diverse group of practitioners under the umbrella of Chiropractic, expanding our abilities to help patients at whatever level we individually choose to practice is a good thing. I may not want to utilize these procedures, just as I choose not to do proctology or OB/GYN, but I am sure grateful to have the Steve Cranford's and Vogel's of our profession there to take my referrals. Rodney G. , DCTillamook Natural Health Center309 Laurel Ave.Tillamook, OR 97141503-842-6532 FW: new mexico law Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’ve been in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they just passed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across the country. This was much discussed in Dallas, TX during the ACA’s House of Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “Advanced Practice” educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma (who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggett from NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue this program and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tell you many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply an informal “Uncle Vern Survey” nothing more. With that said I’d like your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not and why? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I need your responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s Legislative Committee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one of several legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtful time and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodcaol [mailto:rodeodcaol] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:00 AMvsaboecomcast (DOT) net; aca-memberschirolistsSubject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a "dangerous drug" (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I think that anything we can do to expand our capabilities is good. Some will want to do this, others will not. I hope that even those of us that are anti-"medipractor" would appreciate that since we already have a wonderfully diverse group of practitioners under the umbrella of Chiropractic, expanding our abilities to help patients at whatever level we individually choose to practice is a good thing. I may not want to utilize these procedures, just as I choose not to do proctology or OB/GYN, but I am sure grateful to have the Steve Cranford's and Vogel's of our profession there to take my referrals. Rodney G. , DCTillamook Natural Health Center309 Laurel Ave.Tillamook, OR 97141503-842-6532 FW: new mexico law Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’ve been in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they just passed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across the country. This was much discussed in Dallas, TX during the ACA’s House of Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “Advanced Practice” educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma (who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggett from NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue this program and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tell you many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply an informal “Uncle Vern Survey” nothing more. With that said I’d like your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not and why? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I need your responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s Legislative Committee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one of several legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtful time and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodcaol [mailto:rodeodcaol] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:00 AMvsaboecomcast (DOT) net; aca-memberschirolistsSubject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a "dangerous drug" (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Charlie, simply look below my post as Dr. Doggett explain the NW law and the advance degree program quite well….Vern From: Dr. A Caughlin DC CAC [mailto:caughlindrc@...] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:39 AM 'vsaboe'; '' Subject: RE: FW: new mexico law being il-informed what is the law? DR. CHARLES A CAUGHLIN DC CAC 155 NW 1ST JOHN DAY, OR 97845 541-575-1063 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of vsaboe Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:47 AM '' Subject: FW: new mexico law Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’ve been in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they just passed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across the country. This was much discussed in Dallas, TX during the ACA’s House of Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “Advanced Practice” educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma (who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggett from NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue this program and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tell you many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply an informal “Uncle Vern Survey” nothing more. With that said I’d like your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not and why? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I need your responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s Legislative Committee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one of several legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtful time and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodc@... [mailto:rodeodc@...] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:00 AM vsaboe@...; aca-members@... Subject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a " dangerous drug " (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Having the actual law to view helps: http://www.nmcpr.state.nm.us/nmac/parts/title16/16.004.0015.htm 16.4.15.8 ADVANCED PRACTICE REGISTRATION GENERAL PROVISIONS: Advanced practice registration is authorized by 61-4-9.1© NMSA of the act and defined in 61-4-9.2 NMSA 1978 and allows the use of approved naturally derived substances through injection for therapeutic purposes. A. A chiropractic physician shall have the prescriptive authority to administer through injection and prescribe the compounding of substances that are authorized in the advanced practice formulary. Those with active registration are allowed prescription authority that is limited to the current formulary as agreed on by the New Mexico board of chiropractic examiners and as by statute, by the New Mexico board of pharmacy and the New Mexico medical board. The New Mexico board of chiropractic examiners shall maintain a registry of all chiropractic physicians who are registered in advanced practice and shall notify the New Mexico board of pharmacy of all such current registered licensees no later than September 1st of each licensing period. I personally think this is limited. I would like to see us be able to expand to other substances. Not that I want the Naturopathic formulary but something that would fit into our ideas of health, wellness , infection , pain control etc. Here is the Oregon Naturopathic Formulary : http://www.oregon.gov/OBNE/rules/850-060-0225.pdf s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dr. A Caughlin DC CAC Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:39 AM 'vsaboe'; '' Subject: RE: FW: new mexico law being il-informed what is the law? DR. CHARLES A CAUGHLIN DC CAC 155 NW 1ST JOHN DAY, OR 97845 541-575-1063 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of vsaboe Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:47 AM '' Subject: FW: new mexico law Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’ve been in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they just passed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across the country. This was much discussed in Dallas, TX during the ACA’s House of Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “Advanced Practice” educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma (who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggett from NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue this program and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tell you many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply an informal “Uncle Vern Survey” nothing more. With that said I’d like your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not and why? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I need your responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s Legislative Committee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one of several legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtful time and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodcaol [mailto:rodeodcaol] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:00 AM vsaboecomcast (DOT) net; aca-memberschirolists Subject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a " dangerous drug " (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message. 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Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Having the actual law to view helps: http://www.nmcpr.state.nm.us/nmac/parts/title16/16.004.0015.htm 16.4.15.8 ADVANCED PRACTICE REGISTRATION GENERAL PROVISIONS: Advanced practice registration is authorized by 61-4-9.1© NMSA of the act and defined in 61-4-9.2 NMSA 1978 and allows the use of approved naturally derived substances through injection for therapeutic purposes. A. A chiropractic physician shall have the prescriptive authority to administer through injection and prescribe the compounding of substances that are authorized in the advanced practice formulary. Those with active registration are allowed prescription authority that is limited to the current formulary as agreed on by the New Mexico board of chiropractic examiners and as by statute, by the New Mexico board of pharmacy and the New Mexico medical board. The New Mexico board of chiropractic examiners shall maintain a registry of all chiropractic physicians who are registered in advanced practice and shall notify the New Mexico board of pharmacy of all such current registered licensees no later than September 1st of each licensing period. I personally think this is limited. I would like to see us be able to expand to other substances. Not that I want the Naturopathic formulary but something that would fit into our ideas of health, wellness , infection , pain control etc. Here is the Oregon Naturopathic Formulary : http://www.oregon.gov/OBNE/rules/850-060-0225.pdf s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dr. A Caughlin DC CAC Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:39 AM 'vsaboe'; '' Subject: RE: FW: new mexico law being il-informed what is the law? DR. CHARLES A CAUGHLIN DC CAC 155 NW 1ST JOHN DAY, OR 97845 541-575-1063 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of vsaboe Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:47 AM '' Subject: FW: new mexico law Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’ve been in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they just passed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across the country. This was much discussed in Dallas, TX during the ACA’s House of Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “Advanced Practice” educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma (who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggett from NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue this program and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tell you many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply an informal “Uncle Vern Survey” nothing more. With that said I’d like your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not and why? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I need your responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s Legislative Committee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one of several legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtful time and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodcaol [mailto:rodeodcaol] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:00 AM vsaboecomcast (DOT) net; aca-memberschirolists Subject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a " dangerous drug " (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message. 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Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Vern,I'd be in favor of this advanced training for DCs. How would the advanced training be identified to the public? By alphabet letters behind DC? By something other than DC? Sears, DC, IAYT2609 NW ThurmanPortland, Oregon 97210v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.comOn Oct 15, 2009, at 8:47 AM, vsaboe wrote: Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’ve been in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they just passed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across the country. This was much discussed in Dallas, TX during the ACA’s House of Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “Advanced Practice” educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma (who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggett from NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue this program and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tell you many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply an informal “Uncle Vern Survey” nothing more. With that said I’d like your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not and why? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I need your responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s Legislative Committee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one of several legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtful time and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodcaol [mailto:rodeodcaol] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:00 AM vsaboecomcast (DOT) net; aca-memberschirolists Subject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a "dangerous drug" (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Vern,I'd be in favor of this advanced training for DCs. How would the advanced training be identified to the public? By alphabet letters behind DC? By something other than DC? Sears, DC, IAYT2609 NW ThurmanPortland, Oregon 97210v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.comOn Oct 15, 2009, at 8:47 AM, vsaboe wrote: Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’ve been in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they just passed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across the country. This was much discussed in Dallas, TX during the ACA’s House of Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “Advanced Practice” educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma (who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggett from NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue this program and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tell you many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply an informal “Uncle Vern Survey” nothing more. With that said I’d like your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not and why? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I need your responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s Legislative Committee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one of several legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtful time and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodcaol [mailto:rodeodcaol] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:00 AM vsaboecomcast (DOT) net; aca-memberschirolists Subject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a "dangerous drug" (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 I have reservations about using our political capital and group energy on this advanced training and expansion of scope for DC's. I believe we should focus our energy on the WC battle to gain full attending physician status and also keep PT's at bay. I do not think we need to expand our scope at this time. I believe we would be risking loosing all by spreading our energy and resources too thin. Schneider DCPDXOn Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Sears <dm.bones@...> wrote: Vern,I'd be in favor of this advanced training for DCs. How would the advanced training be identified to the public? By alphabet letters behind DC? By something other than DC? Sears, DC, IAYT2609 NW ThurmanPortland, Oregon 97210v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.com On Oct 15, 2009, at 8:47 AM, vsaboe wrote: Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’ve been in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they just passed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across the country. This was much discussed in Dallas, TX during the ACA’s House of Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “Advanced Practice” educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma (who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggett from NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue this program and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tell you many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply an informal “Uncle Vern Survey” nothing more. With that said I’d like your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not and why? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I need your responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s Legislative Committee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one of several legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtful time and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodc@... [mailto:rodeodcaol] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:00 AM vsaboe@...; aca-members@... Subject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a " dangerous drug " (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message. 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Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Duly noted Will, thanks for your valuable input....Vern Re: FW: new mexico law I have reservations about using our political capital and group energy on this advanced training and expansion of scope for DC's. I believe we should focus our energy on the WC battle to gain full attending physician status and also keep PT's at bay. I do not think we need to expand our scope at this time. I believe we would be risking loosing all by spreading our energy and resources too thin. Schneider DCPDX On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Sears <dm.bones@...> wrote: Vern, I'd be in favor of this advanced training for DCs. How would the advanced training be identified to the public? By alphabet letters behind DC? By something other than DC? Sears, DC, IAYT 2609 NW Thurman Portland, Oregon 97210 v: 503-225-0255 f: 503-525-6902 www.docbones.com On Oct 15, 2009, at 8:47 AM, vsaboe wrote: Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’ve been in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they just passed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across the country. This was much discussed in Dallas, TX during the ACA’s House of Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “Advanced Practice” educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma (who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggett from NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue this program and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tell you many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply an informal “Uncle Vern Survey” nothing more. With that said I’d like your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not and why? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I need your responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s Legislative Committee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one of several legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtful time and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodc@... [mailto:rodeodcaol] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:00 AMvsaboe@...; aca-members@...Subject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a "dangerous drug" (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 -- Schneider DC PDX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 I agree with Will, we must choose our battles carefully, and this is not one worth fighting at this time.When you are the smaller Army, you have to choose your ground carefully so you have a better chance of winning the battle. This is not ground we can win on. R Johansen D.C.,DABCOChiropractic Life Center12762 SE Stark StreetPortland Oregon 97233Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818----- Re: FW: new mexico lawDate: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:11:57 -0700 I have reservations about using our political capital and group energy on this advanced training and expansion of scope for DC's. I believe we should focus our energy on the WC battle to gain full attending physician status and also keep PT's at bay. I do not think we need to expand our scope at this time. I believe we would be risking loosing all by spreading our energy and resources too thin. Schneider DCPDX On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Sears <dm.bonesmac> wrote: Vern, I'd be in favor of this advanced training for DCs. How would the advanced training be identified to the public? By alphabet letters behind DC? By something other than DC? Sears, DC, IAYT 2609 NW Thurman Portland, Oregon 97210 v: 503-225-0255 f: 503-525-6902 www.docbones.com On Oct 15, 2009, at 8:47 AM, vsaboe wrote: Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’ve been in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they just passed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across the country. This was much discussed in Dallas, TX during the ACA’s House of Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “Advanced Practice” educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma (who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggett from NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue this program and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tell you many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply an informal “Uncle Vern Survey” nothing more. With that said I’d like your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not and why? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I need your responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s Legislative Committee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one of several legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtful time and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodcaol [mailto:rodeodcaol] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:00 AMvsaboecomcast (DOT) net; aca-memberschirolistsSubject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a "dangerous drug" (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 -- Schneider DC PDX ____________________________________________________________ House Rescue Bill Passed$133,000 mortgage under $679/mo. 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Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 I agree with Will, we must choose our battles carefully, and this is not one worth fighting at this time.When you are the smaller Army, you have to choose your ground carefully so you have a better chance of winning the battle. This is not ground we can win on. R Johansen D.C.,DABCOChiropractic Life Center12762 SE Stark StreetPortland Oregon 97233Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818----- Re: FW: new mexico lawDate: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:11:57 -0700 I have reservations about using our political capital and group energy on this advanced training and expansion of scope for DC's. I believe we should focus our energy on the WC battle to gain full attending physician status and also keep PT's at bay. I do not think we need to expand our scope at this time. I believe we would be risking loosing all by spreading our energy and resources too thin. Schneider DCPDX On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Sears <dm.bonesmac> wrote: Vern, I'd be in favor of this advanced training for DCs. How would the advanced training be identified to the public? By alphabet letters behind DC? By something other than DC? Sears, DC, IAYT 2609 NW Thurman Portland, Oregon 97210 v: 503-225-0255 f: 503-525-6902 www.docbones.com On Oct 15, 2009, at 8:47 AM, vsaboe wrote: Dear Colleagues, At the request of several colleagues I’ve been in contact with officials from New Mexico regarding the new law they just passed and that which several states are lining up to duplicate across the country. This was much discussed in Dallas, TX during the ACA’s House of Delegates meeting resulting in a ACA resolution to support the “Advanced Practice” educational program. I’ve had discussions with out of Oklahoma (who I sit next to at the HOD meetings…great guy) and of course Bill Doggett from NM. Many of you have indicated that you would like to pursue this program and like the idea of expanding our scope as NM has and again I can tell you many states are lining up to do just that. So this is simply an informal “Uncle Vern Survey” nothing more. With that said I’d like your feedback as per if this is something we should pursue here in Oregon or not and why? Or any other comments you would please like to make. I need your responses asap as the Oregon Chiropractic Association’s Legislative Committee and Executive Board are meeting next Thursday and this is one of several legislative proposals and issues I wish to address. Thanks so very much for your thoughtful time and consideration, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC From: rodeodcaol [mailto:rodeodcaol] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:00 AMvsaboecomcast (DOT) net; aca-memberschirolistsSubject: new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a "dangerous drug" (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 -- Schneider DC PDX ____________________________________________________________ House Rescue Bill Passed$133,000 mortgage under $679/mo. 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Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Thanks for the input Ron! Vern Saboe From: drjohansen@... [mailto:drjohansen@...] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:44 AM portlandchiro1@... Cc: dm.bones@...; vsaboe@...; Oregondcs Subject: Re: FW: new mexico law I agree with Will, we must choose our battles carefully, and this is not one worth fighting at this time.When you are the smaller Army, you have to choose your ground carefully so you have a better chance of winning the battle. This is not ground we can win on. R Johansen D.C.,DABCO Chiropractic Life Center 12762 SE Stark Street Portland Oregon 97233 Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818 ----- new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a " dangerous drug " (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmethane)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 -- Schneider DC PDX ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss ProgramBest Weight Loss Program - Click Here! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2440 - Release Date: 10/16/09 06:32:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 All, I understand the idea of spreading our resources too thinly and that it may not be well accepted. That we may have opposition from other health care professions that don't want us in that arena. I forget how it was stated in the previous email opposing this change. I want to say that New Mexico was able to move this legislation forward. When I worked as the Oregon delegate for the FCLB and the NBCE, I worked with the New Mexico delegates. They have set the DCs up in that state to legally deliver services that include laser esthetics. This is a broadly expanding field with lots of opportunities. We may also be able to do that if we follow their model. Also, we may position our profession as gatekeepers with this addition. There should be a way to retain the model of wellness care that our profession has promoted; with expansion of scope. With enough doctors joining the state or national associations, we can use PR campaigns to that end and not lose our identity. And although I am not interested personally in expanding my chiropractic scope, I do think it would help the profession's newer practitioners. I think it could ensure the continued growth of our profession. So I would be in favor of this for the above stated reasons. Minga Guerrero DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 All, I understand the idea of spreading our resources too thinly and that it may not be well accepted. That we may have opposition from other health care professions that don't want us in that arena. I forget how it was stated in the previous email opposing this change. I want to say that New Mexico was able to move this legislation forward. When I worked as the Oregon delegate for the FCLB and the NBCE, I worked with the New Mexico delegates. They have set the DCs up in that state to legally deliver services that include laser esthetics. This is a broadly expanding field with lots of opportunities. We may also be able to do that if we follow their model. Also, we may position our profession as gatekeepers with this addition. There should be a way to retain the model of wellness care that our profession has promoted; with expansion of scope. With enough doctors joining the state or national associations, we can use PR campaigns to that end and not lose our identity. And although I am not interested personally in expanding my chiropractic scope, I do think it would help the profession's newer practitioners. I think it could ensure the continued growth of our profession. So I would be in favor of this for the above stated reasons. Minga Guerrero DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 About 15 years ago there was a movement for a DCM certification with limited prescriptive privileges. Who was behind that besides Doctor Dallas we can only guess. However, when we venture too much into the medical arena I feel we are diluting our principles in terms of how the public perceives Chiropractic and our own skill levels become secondary to pain relief even if it means drugs. Do we really want to go down that path. I don't Elliott Mantell From: "drjohansen@..." <drjohansen@...>portlandchiro1@...Cc: dm.bones@...; vsaboe@...; Oregondcs Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 9:43:43 AMSubject: Re: FW: new mexico law I agree with Will, we must choose our battles carefully, and this is not one worth fighting at this time.When you are the smaller Army, you have to choose your ground carefully so you have a better chance of winning the battle. This is not ground we can win on. R Johansen D.C.,DABCOChiropractic Life Center12762 SE Stark StreetPortland Oregon 97233Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818----- new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a "dangerous drug" (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmetha ne)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetr aacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 -- Schneider DC PDX ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___ House Rescue Bill Passed$133,000 mortgage under $679/mo. Compare rates and save! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Thanks for the input Elliott. Yes, I’m very aware as I was one of the doctors who served on the Advisory Committee of the DCM program with the job of discussing the concept including the good, the bad, and the possible ugly of it. Again, I am posing this question because a few colleagues asked if we would possible pursue similar legislation here in Oregon. Again, this is only an informal email survey by “Uncle Vern” not the Oregon Chiropractic Association as I plan to convey both the New Mexico law and the response by this list serves to the OCA Legislative Committee and the Executive Board for their direction. The OCA Legislative Committee, Executive Board, and the General Membership must support such a legislative proposal before your trade organization would spend time, energy, and money in pursuit of such legislation. In 1995-1996 such support was lacking for the DCM proposal…… Thanks again for taking the time to respond it is much appreciated, Vern Saboe From: Dr. Elliott Mantell [mailto:commongroundchiropractic@...] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 2:28 PM drjohansen@...; portlandchiro1@... Cc: dm.bones@...; vsaboe@...; Oregondcs Subject: Re: FW: new mexico law About 15 years ago there was a movement for a DCM certification with limited prescriptive privileges. Who was behind that besides Doctor Dallas we can only guess. However, when we venture too much into the medical arena I feel we are diluting our principles in terms of how the public perceives Chiropractic and our own skill levels become secondary to pain relief even if it means drugs. Do we really want to go down that path. I don't Elliott Mantell From: " drjohansen@... " <drjohansen@...> portlandchiro1@... Cc: dm.bones@...; vsaboe@...; Oregondcs Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 9:43:43 AM Subject: Re: FW: new mexico law I agree with Will, we must choose our battles carefully, and this is not one worth fighting at this time.When you are the smaller Army, you have to choose your ground carefully so you have a better chance of winning the battle. This is not ground we can win on. R Johansen D.C.,DABCO Chiropractic Life Center 12762 SE Stark Street Portland Oregon 97233 Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818 ----- new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a " dangerous drug " (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th 2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmetha ne)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetr aacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message. 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Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I think we would better position ourselves as a profession if we put our energy, time, and money into becoming experts in true wellness & prevention through lifestyle improvement. This will be the inevitable path of healthcare down the road. Massachusetts is trying to figure out how to do it now that their single payer system is bankrupt. They have realized that they missed the boat by making insurance available to everyone without addressing the underlying problem - people are chronically sick from their lifestyle choices. Now the federal government is going down that same path... what a waste of time and money!!! Uggghhh!!!We need to be Wellness & Prevention PCP's - that is what our state and our nation need more than anything. Leave the drugs and surgery to the MD PCP's... why would we want to invade their scope of practice and be second rate MDs? Some think this will "elevate" our status as healthcare providers, but I think it will only make it even more evident where we rank within the scope of mainstream medicine.... at the very bottom. We are a completely separate and distinct profession, working from a completely different paradigm of health. As doctors of chiropractic, we are ALL trained with wellness & prevention at the core of our practice philosophy (although this has been forgotten by some of us). We need to define and carve out a whole new approach to health through wellness & prevention, where MDs with their drugs and surgery will rank at the very bottom. Then and only then will we gain our rightful place among healthcare providers in our country... as Wellness & Prevention PCP's.My 3 cents,Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWPAdvanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1@... On Oct 16, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Dr. Elliott Mantell wrote:About 15 years ago there was a movement for a DCM certification with limited prescriptive privileges. Who was behind that besides Doctor Dallas we can only guess. However, when we venture too much into the medical arena I feel we are diluting our principles in terms of how the public perceives Chiropractic and our own skill levels become secondary to pain relief even if it means drugs. Do we really want to go down that path. I don'tElliott MantellFrom: "drjohansenjuno" <drjohansenjuno>portlandchiro1gmailCc: dm.bonesmac; vsaboecomcast (DOT) net; Oregondcs Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 9:43:43 AMSubject: Re: FW: new mexico law I agree with Will, we must choose our battles carefully, and this is not one worth fighting at this time.When you are the smaller Army, you have to choose your ground carefully so you have a better chance of winning the battle. This is not ground we can win on. R Johansen D.C.,DABCOChiropractic Life Center12762 SE Stark StreetPortland Oregon 97233Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818----- new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a "dangerous drug" (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACOAdvanced Practice Chiropractic FormularyAs proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th2009 Physical Medicine Injection TherapiesAutologous bloodcollagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture)dextroseglucosamine sulfate,( IM)glycerin,phenol,Platelet Rich Plasmasodium morrhuate,Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional MedicineAmino acidsAlanine NEArginine NECholineCysteineGlutamineGlycine NEHistidineInositolIsolucineLeucineLysineMetioninePhenylalanineProlineSernineTaurineThreonineTyrosine NETryptophanValine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV useCalcium GluconateChromic ChlorideCuperic SulfateGermanium sesquioxideMagnesium ChlorideMagnesium SulfateManganese SulfateMolybdenumPotassium ChlorideSelenium (selenious acid)Zinc ChlorideZinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use,Aqueous Vitamin A (IM)Ascorbic AcidCyanocobalaminD3Dexapanthenol (B5)Folic AcidHydroxocobalaminMethylcobalaminNiacinPyrodoxine HClRiboflavinThiamine Accessory Nutrientsglucose,Lactated Ringers,MSM, (methylsulfonylmetha ne)(IM or SQ) ChelationCa-EDTA,Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetr aacetic acid) OtherHCl (to adjust pH)NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00-- Schneider DC PDX____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___ House Rescue Bill Passed$133,000 mortgage under $679/mo. 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Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I think we would better position ourselves as a profession if we put our energy, time, and money into becoming experts in true wellness & prevention through lifestyle improvement. This will be the inevitable path of healthcare down the road. Massachusetts is trying to figure out how to do it now that their single payer system is bankrupt. They have realized that they missed the boat by making insurance available to everyone without addressing the underlying problem - people are chronically sick from their lifestyle choices. Now the federal government is going down that same path... what a waste of time and money!!! Uggghhh!!!We need to be Wellness & Prevention PCP's - that is what our state and our nation need more than anything. Leave the drugs and surgery to the MD PCP's... why would we want to invade their scope of practice and be second rate MDs? Some think this will "elevate" our status as healthcare providers, but I think it will only make it even more evident where we rank within the scope of mainstream medicine.... at the very bottom. We are a completely separate and distinct profession, working from a completely different paradigm of health. As doctors of chiropractic, we are ALL trained with wellness & prevention at the core of our practice philosophy (although this has been forgotten by some of us). We need to define and carve out a whole new approach to health through wellness & prevention, where MDs with their drugs and surgery will rank at the very bottom. Then and only then will we gain our rightful place among healthcare providers in our country... as Wellness & Prevention PCP's.My 3 cents,Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWPAdvanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1@... On Oct 16, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Dr. Elliott Mantell wrote:About 15 years ago there was a movement for a DCM certification with limited prescriptive privileges. Who was behind that besides Doctor Dallas we can only guess. However, when we venture too much into the medical arena I feel we are diluting our principles in terms of how the public perceives Chiropractic and our own skill levels become secondary to pain relief even if it means drugs. Do we really want to go down that path. I don'tElliott MantellFrom: "drjohansenjuno" <drjohansenjuno>portlandchiro1gmailCc: dm.bonesmac; vsaboecomcast (DOT) net; Oregondcs Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 9:43:43 AMSubject: Re: FW: new mexico law I agree with Will, we must choose our battles carefully, and this is not one worth fighting at this time.When you are the smaller Army, you have to choose your ground carefully so you have a better chance of winning the battle. This is not ground we can win on. R Johansen D.C.,DABCOChiropractic Life Center12762 SE Stark StreetPortland Oregon 97233Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818----- new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a "dangerous drug" (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACOAdvanced Practice Chiropractic FormularyAs proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th2009 Physical Medicine Injection TherapiesAutologous bloodcollagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture)dextroseglucosamine sulfate,( IM)glycerin,phenol,Platelet Rich Plasmasodium morrhuate,Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional MedicineAmino acidsAlanine NEArginine NECholineCysteineGlutamineGlycine NEHistidineInositolIsolucineLeucineLysineMetioninePhenylalanineProlineSernineTaurineThreonineTyrosine NETryptophanValine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV useCalcium GluconateChromic ChlorideCuperic SulfateGermanium sesquioxideMagnesium ChlorideMagnesium SulfateManganese SulfateMolybdenumPotassium ChlorideSelenium (selenious acid)Zinc ChlorideZinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use,Aqueous Vitamin A (IM)Ascorbic AcidCyanocobalaminD3Dexapanthenol (B5)Folic AcidHydroxocobalaminMethylcobalaminNiacinPyrodoxine HClRiboflavinThiamine Accessory Nutrientsglucose,Lactated Ringers,MSM, (methylsulfonylmetha ne)(IM or SQ) ChelationCa-EDTA,Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetr aacetic acid) OtherHCl (to adjust pH)NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00-- Schneider DC PDX____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___ House Rescue Bill Passed$133,000 mortgage under $679/mo. 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Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I do understand this position in the profession; to retain wellness and prevention as a basis for patient care. I think where we differ with the statement below, is in my 'collective healing' thought process. I don't think of 'us' and 'them' - 'DC and 'MD' as being separate goals. I don't want any health care practitioner to be 'on the bottom'. Whether it's PT, MD or any other profession we are sharing scope language with. I want to think of us as all one family of healers with a common goal of helping people be well. I don't see how expanding our scope will put us at the bottom of anything. I think it just adds to our bag of potential. I think all healing is moving towards lifestyle education that empowers the individual; that helps one to see how much we can do with optimizing our own health thru diet, exercise and mental/spiritual endeavors. I greatly appreciate and respect others efforts to practice wellness care. I see it in many of the MDs, PTs, LMTs, DCs and more that I come into contact with. It's so energizing and gives me such hope to see so many different professions aligned on a singular path. Minga Guerrero DC In a message dated 10/17/2009 4:47:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, drjdyson1@... writes: I think we would better position ourselves as a profession if we put our energy, time, and money into becoming experts in true wellness & prevention through lifestyle improvement. This will be the inevitable path of healthcare down the road. Massachusetts is trying to figure out how to do it now that their single payer system is bankrupt. They have realized that they missed the boat by making insurance available to everyone without addressing the underlying problem - people are chronically sick from their lifestyle choices. Now the federal government is going down that same path... what a waste of time and money!!! Uggghhh!!! We need to be Wellness & Prevention PCP's - that is what our state and our nation need more than anything. Leave the drugs and surgery to the MD PCP's... why would we want to invade their scope of practice and be second rate MDs? Some think this will "elevate" our status as healthcare providers, but I think it will only make it even more evident where we rank within the scope of mainstream medicine.... at the very bottom. We are a completely separate and distinct profession, working from a completely different paradigm of health. As doctors of chiropractic, we are ALL trained with wellness & prevention at the core of our practice philosophy (although this has been forgotten by some of us). We need to define and carve out a whole new approach to health through wellness & prevention, where MDs with their drugs and surgery will rank at the very bottom. Then and only then will we gain our rightful place among healthcare providers in our country... as Wellness & Prevention PCP's. My 3 cents, Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWP Advanced Chiropractic 1295 Wallace Rd NW Salem, OR 97304 503-361-3949 drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net On Oct 16, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Dr. Elliott Mantell wrote: About 15 years ago there was a movement for a DCM certification with limited prescriptive privileges. Who was behind that besides Doctor Dallas we can only guess. However, when we venture too much into the medical arena I feel we are diluting our principles in terms of how the public perceives Chiropractic and our own skill levels become secondary to pain relief even if it means drugs. Do we really want to go down that path. I don't Elliott Mantell From: "drjohansenjuno" <drjohansenjuno>portlandchiro1gmailCc: dm.bonesmac; vsaboecomcast (DOT) net; Oregondcs Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 9:43:43 AMSubject: Re: FW: new mexico law I agree with Will, we must choose our battles carefully, and this is not one worth fighting at this time.When you are the smaller Army, you have to choose your ground carefully so you have a better chance of winning the battle. This is not ground we can win on. R Johansen D.C.,DABCOChiropractic Life Center12762 SE Stark StreetPortland Oregon 97233Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818----- new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a "dangerous drug" (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmetha ne)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetr aacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 -- Schneider DC PDX ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___ House Rescue Bill Passed$133,000 mortgage under $679/mo. 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Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I do understand this position in the profession; to retain wellness and prevention as a basis for patient care. I think where we differ with the statement below, is in my 'collective healing' thought process. I don't think of 'us' and 'them' - 'DC and 'MD' as being separate goals. I don't want any health care practitioner to be 'on the bottom'. Whether it's PT, MD or any other profession we are sharing scope language with. I want to think of us as all one family of healers with a common goal of helping people be well. I don't see how expanding our scope will put us at the bottom of anything. I think it just adds to our bag of potential. I think all healing is moving towards lifestyle education that empowers the individual; that helps one to see how much we can do with optimizing our own health thru diet, exercise and mental/spiritual endeavors. I greatly appreciate and respect others efforts to practice wellness care. I see it in many of the MDs, PTs, LMTs, DCs and more that I come into contact with. It's so energizing and gives me such hope to see so many different professions aligned on a singular path. Minga Guerrero DC In a message dated 10/17/2009 4:47:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, drjdyson1@... writes: I think we would better position ourselves as a profession if we put our energy, time, and money into becoming experts in true wellness & prevention through lifestyle improvement. This will be the inevitable path of healthcare down the road. Massachusetts is trying to figure out how to do it now that their single payer system is bankrupt. They have realized that they missed the boat by making insurance available to everyone without addressing the underlying problem - people are chronically sick from their lifestyle choices. Now the federal government is going down that same path... what a waste of time and money!!! Uggghhh!!! We need to be Wellness & Prevention PCP's - that is what our state and our nation need more than anything. Leave the drugs and surgery to the MD PCP's... why would we want to invade their scope of practice and be second rate MDs? Some think this will "elevate" our status as healthcare providers, but I think it will only make it even more evident where we rank within the scope of mainstream medicine.... at the very bottom. We are a completely separate and distinct profession, working from a completely different paradigm of health. As doctors of chiropractic, we are ALL trained with wellness & prevention at the core of our practice philosophy (although this has been forgotten by some of us). We need to define and carve out a whole new approach to health through wellness & prevention, where MDs with their drugs and surgery will rank at the very bottom. Then and only then will we gain our rightful place among healthcare providers in our country... as Wellness & Prevention PCP's. My 3 cents, Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWP Advanced Chiropractic 1295 Wallace Rd NW Salem, OR 97304 503-361-3949 drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net On Oct 16, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Dr. Elliott Mantell wrote: About 15 years ago there was a movement for a DCM certification with limited prescriptive privileges. Who was behind that besides Doctor Dallas we can only guess. However, when we venture too much into the medical arena I feel we are diluting our principles in terms of how the public perceives Chiropractic and our own skill levels become secondary to pain relief even if it means drugs. Do we really want to go down that path. I don't Elliott Mantell From: "drjohansenjuno" <drjohansenjuno>portlandchiro1gmailCc: dm.bonesmac; vsaboecomcast (DOT) net; Oregondcs Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 9:43:43 AMSubject: Re: FW: new mexico law I agree with Will, we must choose our battles carefully, and this is not one worth fighting at this time.When you are the smaller Army, you have to choose your ground carefully so you have a better chance of winning the battle. This is not ground we can win on. R Johansen D.C.,DABCOChiropractic Life Center12762 SE Stark StreetPortland Oregon 97233Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818----- new mexico law Vern The statute passed creates a designation for advanced practice chiropractic physicians. Following the 100 hours of study, bumped up to a full masters level program with clinical rounds beginning in 2012, the DC-AP's are authorized to use alternate delivery methods including IV, Sub-Q and IM injection. The formulary is being worked out with the Board of Pharmacy and the Medical Board. As the FDA defines any substance injected into the body in any manner to be a "dangerous drug" (this includes sterile water and saline) we are obligated by the statute to have approval of all injectable portions of the formular by the BOP, MB and Chiro board.We have a formulary committee that debates and reviews all substances proposed. Here is the initial proposed formulary that will be considered by the Pharmacy Board on 10-19. What we'd like to see are DC's that can function fully and independently as full scope primary care physicians. We also feel that in order to manage a patient's change from a pharmaceutical to a natural therapeutic product that the physician needs to be more aware of the interactions and differences in administration and dosage that the current chiropractic graduate or licensee is now. Some of what the first group of DC-AP's will be able to add to their practices will be trigger point injections, prolotherapy, as well as IM/IV vitamin therapy. Bill Doggett DC FACO Advanced Practice Chiropractic Formulary As proposed by the formulary taskforce September 17th2009 Physical Medicine Injection Therapies Autologous blood collagenase, (Dupuytren’s contracture) dextrose glucosamine sulfate,( IM) glycerin, phenol, Platelet Rich Plasma sodium morrhuate, Sodium Hyaluronate ( Hyalgan Synvisc Hylan GF 20) all homeopathic medicines IV Nutritional Medicine Amino acids Alanine NE Arginine NE Choline Cysteine Glutamine Glycine NE Histidine Inositol Isolucine Leucine Lysine Metionine Phenylalanine Proline Sernine Taurine Threonine Tyrosine NE Tryptophan Valine Mminerals, all prepared for injectable and IV use Calcium Gluconate Chromic Chloride Cuperic Sulfate Germanium sesquioxide Magnesium Chloride Magnesium Sulfate Manganese Sulfate Molybdenum Potassium Chloride Selenium (selenious acid) Zinc Chloride Zinc Sulfate vitamins, all prepared for injectable and IV use, Aqueous Vitamin A (IM) Ascorbic Acid Cyanocobalamin D3 Dexapanthenol (B5) Folic Acid Hydroxocobalamin Methylcobalamin Niacin Pyrodoxine HCl Riboflavin Thiamine Accessory Nutrients glucose, Lactated Ringers, MSM, (methylsulfonylmetha ne)(IM or SQ) Chelation Ca-EDTA, Na-EDTA (ethylenediaminetetr aacetic acid) Other HCl (to adjust pH) NaHCO3 (to adjust pH) No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 -- Schneider DC PDX ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___ House Rescue Bill Passed$133,000 mortgage under $679/mo. 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