Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Conclusions TOP ABSTRACT INTRODUCTION MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY... NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK... INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY... FISH AND MARINE N-3... ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA) THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3... DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS CONCLUSIONS REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials have demonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients. A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se. It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to " choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat " , which is modified from the recommendation to " choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol " stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts and legumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that " fat is bad " has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well. Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seitz Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PM ' ' Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Conclusions TOP ABSTRACT INTRODUCTION MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY... NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK... INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY... FISH AND MARINE N-3... ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA) THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3... DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS CONCLUSIONS REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials have demonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients. A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se. It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to " choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat " , which is modified from the recommendation to " choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol " stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts and legumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that " fat is bad " has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well. Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seitz Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PM ' ' Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Sharron- You are right… and wrong with regards to this article. I spouted off when I shouldn’t have! But I disagree with your statement “…but also lowering total fat in the diet.” From the conclusion you sent: Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Yet consider these conflicting conclusions from the article referenced: Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression. Am J Clin Nutr 2004;80: 1175–84. And many studies implicating saturated fats combine saturated fats with trans-fats so the results are skewed. This is where tropical oils developed their bad rep. And if total fat is the issue, and saturated fats are bad, why did the Inuit not all die from CAD? Their traditional diet was almost 0% carb, mostly fat with animal protein. Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron Fuchs Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Conclusions TOP ABSTRACT INTRODUCTION MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY... NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK... INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY... FISH AND MARINE N-3... ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA) THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3... DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS CONCLUSIONS REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials have demonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients. A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se. It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to " choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat " , which is modified from the recommendation to " choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol " stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts and legumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that " fat is bad " has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well. Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seitz Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PM ' ' Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Sharron and -The problem is where the saturated fat comes from. Is it a corn-fed animal (toxic with omega 6) or is it raised on a natural diet (high in omega 3). They have never studied the quality of the animals people are eating in relation to heart disease. It's all poor science. They will continue to get inaccurate conclusions because they are asking the wrong questions. It is reductionist science.Jamey Dyson On Feb 19, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Seitz wrote:Sharron- You are right… and wrong with regards to this article. I spouted off when I shouldn’t have! But I disagree with your statement “…but also lowering total fat in the diet.” From the conclusion you sent: Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Yet consider these conflicting conclusions from the article referenced: Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression. Am J Clin Nutr 2004;80: 1175–84. And many studies implicating saturated fats combine saturated fats with trans-fats so the results are skewed. This is where tropical oils developed their bad rep. And if total fat is the issue, and saturated fats are bad, why did the Inuit not all die from CAD? Their traditional diet was almost 0% carb, mostly fat with animal protein. Seitz, DCFrom: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron FuchsSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Conclusions<image001.gif>TOP<image001.gif>ABSTRACT<image001.gif>INTRODUCTION<image001.gif>MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY...<image001.gif>NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK...<image001.gif>INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY...<image001.gif>FISH AND MARINE N-3...<image001.gif>ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA)<image001.gif>THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3...<image001.gif>DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS<image002.gif>CONCLUSIONS<image003.gif>REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials havedemonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients.A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se.It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to "choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat", which is modified from the recommendation to "choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol" stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts andlegumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that "fat is bad" has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well.Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of SeitzSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PM' 'Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Dr. Jamey DysonAdvanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1@... Dr. Jamey DysonAdvanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Sharron and -The problem is where the saturated fat comes from. Is it a corn-fed animal (toxic with omega 6) or is it raised on a natural diet (high in omega 3). They have never studied the quality of the animals people are eating in relation to heart disease. It's all poor science. They will continue to get inaccurate conclusions because they are asking the wrong questions. It is reductionist science.Jamey Dyson On Feb 19, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Seitz wrote:Sharron- You are right… and wrong with regards to this article. I spouted off when I shouldn’t have! But I disagree with your statement “…but also lowering total fat in the diet.” From the conclusion you sent: Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Yet consider these conflicting conclusions from the article referenced: Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression. Am J Clin Nutr 2004;80: 1175–84. And many studies implicating saturated fats combine saturated fats with trans-fats so the results are skewed. This is where tropical oils developed their bad rep. And if total fat is the issue, and saturated fats are bad, why did the Inuit not all die from CAD? Their traditional diet was almost 0% carb, mostly fat with animal protein. Seitz, DCFrom: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron FuchsSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Conclusions<image001.gif>TOP<image001.gif>ABSTRACT<image001.gif>INTRODUCTION<image001.gif>MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY...<image001.gif>NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK...<image001.gif>INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY...<image001.gif>FISH AND MARINE N-3...<image001.gif>ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA)<image001.gif>THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3...<image001.gif>DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS<image002.gif>CONCLUSIONS<image003.gif>REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials havedemonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients.A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se.It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to "choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat", which is modified from the recommendation to "choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol" stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts andlegumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that "fat is bad" has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well.Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of SeitzSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PM' 'Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Dr. Jamey DysonAdvanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1@... Dr. Jamey DysonAdvanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Right Jamey.And is it toxic with some of that GMA corn from our friends at Monsanto?With the commercial feed lots the answer is undoubtedly yes.Some foreign genome with your prime rib anyone?AnnetteOn Feb 19, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Jamey Dyson wrote:Sharron and -The problem is where the saturated fat comes from. Is it a corn-fed animal (toxic with omega 6) or is it raised on a natural diet (high in omega 3). They have never studied the quality of the animals people are eating in relation to heart disease. It's all poor science. They will continue to get inaccurate conclusions because they are asking the wrong questions. It is reductionist science.Jamey Dyson On Feb 19, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Seitz wrote:Sharron- You are right… and wrong with regards to this article. I spouted off when I shouldn’t have! But I disagree with your statement “…but also lowering total fat in the diet.” From the conclusion you sent: Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Yet consider these conflicting conclusions from the article referenced: Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression. Am J Clin Nutr 2004;80: 1175–84. And many studies implicating saturated fats combine saturated fats with trans-fats so the results are skewed. This is where tropical oils developed their bad rep. And if total fat is the issue, and saturated fats are bad, why did the Inuit not all die from CAD? Their traditional diet was almost 0% carb, mostly fat with animal protein. Seitz, DCFrom: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron FuchsSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Conclusions<image001.gif>TOP<image001.gif>ABSTRACT<image001.gif>INTRODUCTION<image001.gif>MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY...<image001.gif>NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK...<image001.gif>INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY...<image001.gif>FISH AND MARINE N-3...<image001.gif>ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA)<image001.gif>THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3...<image001.gif>DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS<image002.gif>CONCLUSIONS<image003.gif>REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials havedemonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients.A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se.It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to "choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat", which is modified from the recommendation to "choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol" stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts andlegumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that "fat is bad" has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well.Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of SeitzSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PM' 'Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DCDr. Jamey DysonAdvanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1comcast (DOT) netDr. Jamey DysonAdvanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Right Jamey.And is it toxic with some of that GMA corn from our friends at Monsanto?With the commercial feed lots the answer is undoubtedly yes.Some foreign genome with your prime rib anyone?AnnetteOn Feb 19, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Jamey Dyson wrote:Sharron and -The problem is where the saturated fat comes from. Is it a corn-fed animal (toxic with omega 6) or is it raised on a natural diet (high in omega 3). They have never studied the quality of the animals people are eating in relation to heart disease. It's all poor science. They will continue to get inaccurate conclusions because they are asking the wrong questions. It is reductionist science.Jamey Dyson On Feb 19, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Seitz wrote:Sharron- You are right… and wrong with regards to this article. I spouted off when I shouldn’t have! But I disagree with your statement “…but also lowering total fat in the diet.” From the conclusion you sent: Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Yet consider these conflicting conclusions from the article referenced: Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression. Am J Clin Nutr 2004;80: 1175–84. And many studies implicating saturated fats combine saturated fats with trans-fats so the results are skewed. This is where tropical oils developed their bad rep. And if total fat is the issue, and saturated fats are bad, why did the Inuit not all die from CAD? Their traditional diet was almost 0% carb, mostly fat with animal protein. Seitz, DCFrom: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron FuchsSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Conclusions<image001.gif>TOP<image001.gif>ABSTRACT<image001.gif>INTRODUCTION<image001.gif>MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY...<image001.gif>NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK...<image001.gif>INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY...<image001.gif>FISH AND MARINE N-3...<image001.gif>ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA)<image001.gif>THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3...<image001.gif>DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS<image002.gif>CONCLUSIONS<image003.gif>REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials havedemonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients.A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se.It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to "choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat", which is modified from the recommendation to "choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol" stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts andlegumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that "fat is bad" has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well.Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of SeitzSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PM' 'Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DCDr. Jamey DysonAdvanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1comcast (DOT) netDr. Jamey DysonAdvanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Agreed! From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Annette Simard Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:18 PM Jamey Dyson Cc: Subject: Re: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Right Jamey. And is it toxic with some of that GMA corn from our friends at Monsanto? With the commercial feed lots the answer is undoubtedly yes. Some foreign genome with your prime rib anyone? Annette On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Jamey Dyson wrote: Sharron and - The problem is where the saturated fat comes from. Is it a corn-fed animal (toxic with omega 6) or is it raised on a natural diet (high in omega 3). They have never studied the quality of the animals people are eating in relation to heart disease. It's all poor science. They will continue to get inaccurate conclusions because they are asking the wrong questions. It is reductionist science. Jamey Dyson On Feb 19, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Seitz wrote: Sharron- You are right… and wrong with regards to this article. I spouted off when I shouldn’t have! But I disagree with your statement “…but also lowering total fat in the diet.” From the conclusion you sent: Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Yet consider these conflicting conclusions from the article referenced: Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression. Am J Clin Nutr 2004;80: 1175–84. And many studies implicating saturated fats combine saturated fats with trans-fats so the results are skewed. This is where tropical oils developed their bad rep. And if total fat is the issue, and saturated fats are bad, why did the Inuit not all die from CAD? Their traditional diet was almost 0% carb, mostly fat with animal protein. Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron Fuchs Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Conclusions <image001.gif>TOP <image001.gif>ABSTRACT <image001.gif>INTRODUCTION <image001.gif>MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY... <image001.gif>NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK... <image001.gif>INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY... <image001.gif>FISH AND MARINE N-3... <image001.gif>ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA) <image001.gif>THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3... <image001.gif>DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS <image002.gif>CONCLUSIONS <image003.gif>REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials havedemonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients. A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se. It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to " choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat " , which is modified from the recommendation to " choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol " stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts andlegumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that " fat is bad " has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well. Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seitz Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PM ' ' Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Dr. Jamey Dyson Advanced Chiropractic 1295 Wallace Rd NW Salem, OR 97304 503-361-3949 drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net Dr. Jamey Dyson Advanced Chiropractic 1295 Wallace Rd NW Salem, OR 97304 503-361-3949 drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Agreed! From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Annette Simard Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:18 PM Jamey Dyson Cc: Subject: Re: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Right Jamey. And is it toxic with some of that GMA corn from our friends at Monsanto? With the commercial feed lots the answer is undoubtedly yes. Some foreign genome with your prime rib anyone? Annette On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Jamey Dyson wrote: Sharron and - The problem is where the saturated fat comes from. Is it a corn-fed animal (toxic with omega 6) or is it raised on a natural diet (high in omega 3). They have never studied the quality of the animals people are eating in relation to heart disease. It's all poor science. They will continue to get inaccurate conclusions because they are asking the wrong questions. It is reductionist science. Jamey Dyson On Feb 19, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Seitz wrote: Sharron- You are right… and wrong with regards to this article. I spouted off when I shouldn’t have! But I disagree with your statement “…but also lowering total fat in the diet.” From the conclusion you sent: Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Yet consider these conflicting conclusions from the article referenced: Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression. Am J Clin Nutr 2004;80: 1175–84. And many studies implicating saturated fats combine saturated fats with trans-fats so the results are skewed. This is where tropical oils developed their bad rep. And if total fat is the issue, and saturated fats are bad, why did the Inuit not all die from CAD? Their traditional diet was almost 0% carb, mostly fat with animal protein. Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron Fuchs Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Conclusions <image001.gif>TOP <image001.gif>ABSTRACT <image001.gif>INTRODUCTION <image001.gif>MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY... <image001.gif>NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK... <image001.gif>INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY... <image001.gif>FISH AND MARINE N-3... <image001.gif>ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA) <image001.gif>THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3... <image001.gif>DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS <image002.gif>CONCLUSIONS <image003.gif>REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials havedemonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients. A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se. It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to " choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat " , which is modified from the recommendation to " choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol " stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts andlegumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that " fat is bad " has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well. Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seitz Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PM ' ' Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Dr. Jamey Dyson Advanced Chiropractic 1295 Wallace Rd NW Salem, OR 97304 503-361-3949 drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net Dr. Jamey Dyson Advanced Chiropractic 1295 Wallace Rd NW Salem, OR 97304 503-361-3949 drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 The problem is not so much with blood fats as with hypertension which pushes the fats into the arteries. Addressing hypertension is the primary concern. Here's one of 73 citations on PubMed re yoga and hypertension.A review of yoga programs for four leading risk factors of chronic diseases."A systematic search yielded 32 articles published between 1980 and April 2007. The studies found that yoga interventions are generally effective in reducing body weight, blood pressure, glucose level and high cholesterol, but only a few studies examined long-term adherence.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18227916?ordinalpos=4 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum Sears, DC NW PDX On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Seitz wrote: From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:31 PMTo: 'Sharron Fuchs'Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Sharon- I don’t worry about total fat at all (or cholesterol), but I am very concerned about quality of fat. I too take 4g of fish oil, but try to avoid n-6 oils from corn, safflower. Borage can be good, depending on how the individual uses it (how it is utilized metabolically). I also use olive oil almost exclusively for cooking as long (as it doesn’t smoke). I have a problem with Canola oil, is it good? Is it safe? I’m not convinced either way, but I’m very suspicious. A big problem with saturated animal fats is what might be lurking in them, i.e. what was fed to the animal? Truly wild meat or range fed is important! (It also has more n-3 FA than grain fed). Instead of worrying about fats, I think we really need to worry about carbs, more specifically processed carbs. Eating real food, not frankenfood is the real answer, but this is EXTREMELY challenging with kids in the house, “come on dad, let’s get a pizza” begs my 17 year old son J Seitz, DCFrom: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron FuchsSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:04 PMTo: Subject: FW: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. ‘But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines’ This conclusion is poorly written but I think the final lines of the conclusion support the quote above. I get your point and confusion. For me, I have decided to reduce saturated fat – I love a good steak fat and all – add more olive oil – and now take 4 grams of fish oil and 4 grams of borage oil ( n-3 from fish and n-6 from borage I hope) exercise , try to reduce stress (ha! ) and see what happens. –s- From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of SeitzSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:50 AMTo: Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Sharron- You are right… and wrong with regards to this article. I spouted off when I shouldn’t have! But I disagree with your statement “…but also lowering total fat in the diet.” From the conclusion you sent: Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Yet consider these conflicting conclusions from the article referenced: Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression. Am J Clin Nutr 2004;80: 1175–84. And many studies implicating saturated fats combine saturated fats with trans-fats so the results are skewed. This is where tropical oils developed their bad rep. And if total fat is the issue, and saturated fats are bad, why did the Inuit not all die from CAD? Their traditional diet was almost 0% carb, mostly fat with animal protein. Seitz, DCFrom: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron FuchsSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AMTo: Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Conclusions<image001.gif>TOP<image001.gif>ABSTRACT<image001.gif>INTRODUCTION<image001.gif>MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY...<image001.gif>NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK...<image001.gif>INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY...<image001.gif>FISH AND MARINE N-3...<image001.gif>ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA)<image001.gif>THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3...<image001.gif>DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS<image002.gif>CONCLUSIONS<image003.gif>REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials havedemonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients.A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se.It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to "choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat", which is modified from the recommendation to "choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol" stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts andlegumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that "fat is bad" has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well.Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of SeitzSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AMTo: Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PMTo: ' 'Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I agree that hypertension is an important and true risk factor in CAD, and that lowering HTN via Yoga is a great treatment approach without downside. However, why is HTN present in the first place? It isn’t because of a deficiency in Yoga, but close. I believe it is a result of living un-naturally, i.e. lack of genotype specific needs with regards to diet and exercise. I also don’t think the “fats are being pushed into the arteries” but are more likely deposited as part of the scarring process in response to the chronic HTN, and the co-existent presence of the chronic inflammatory state. My opinions. Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sears Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:33 PM Seitz Cc: Subject: Re: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. The problem is not so much with blood fats as with hypertension which pushes the fats into the arteries. Addressing hypertension is the primary concern. Here's one of 73 citations on PubMed re yoga and hypertension. A review of yoga programs for four leading risk factors of chronic diseases. " A systematic search yielded 32 articles published between 1980 and April 2007. The studies found that yoga interventions are generally effective in reducing body weight, blood pressure, glucose level and high cholesterol, but only a few studies examined long-term adherence. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18227916?ordinalpos=4 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum Sears, DC NW PDX On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Seitz wrote: From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:31 PM 'Sharron Fuchs' Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Sharon- I don’t worry about total fat at all (or cholesterol), but I am very concerned about quality of fat. I too take 4g of fish oil, but try to avoid n-6 oils from corn, safflower. Borage can be good, depending on how the individual uses it (how it is utilized metabolically). I also use olive oil almost exclusively for cooking as long (as it doesn’t smoke). I have a problem with Canola oil, is it good? Is it safe? I’m not convinced either way, but I’m very suspicious. A big problem with saturated animal fats is what might be lurking in them, i.e. what was fed to the animal? Truly wild meat or range fed is important! (It also has more n-3 FA than grain fed). Instead of worrying about fats, I think we really need to worry about carbs, more specifically processed carbs. Eating real food, not frankenfood is the real answer, but this is EXTREMELY challenging with kids in the house, “come on dad, let’s get a pizza” begs my 17 year old son J Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron Fuchs Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: FW: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. ‘But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines’ This conclusion is poorly written but I think the final lines of the conclusion support the quote above. I get your point and confusion. For me, I have decided to reduce saturated fat – I love a good steak fat and all – add more olive oil – and now take 4 grams of fish oil and 4 grams of borage oil ( n-3 from fish and n-6 from borage I hope) exercise , try to reduce stress (ha! ) and see what happens. –s- From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seitz Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:50 AM Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Sharron- You are right… and wrong with regards to this article. I spouted off when I shouldn’t have! But I disagree with your statement “…but also lowering total fat in the diet.” From the conclusion you sent: Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Yet consider these conflicting conclusions from the article referenced: Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression. Am J Clin Nutr 2004;80: 1175–84. And many studies implicating saturated fats combine saturated fats with trans-fats so the results are skewed. This is where tropical oils developed their bad rep. And if total fat is the issue, and saturated fats are bad, why did the Inuit not all die from CAD? Their traditional diet was almost 0% carb, mostly fat with animal protein. Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron Fuchs Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Conclusions <image001.gif>TOP <image001.gif>ABSTRACT <image001.gif>INTRODUCTION <image001.gif>MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY... <image001.gif>NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK... <image001.gif>INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY... <image001.gif>FISH AND MARINE N-3... <image001.gif>ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA) <image001.gif>THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3... <image001.gif>DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS <image002.gif>CONCLUSIONS <image003.gif>REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials havedemonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients. A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se. It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to " choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat " , which is modified from the recommendation to " choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol " stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts andlegumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that " fat is bad " has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well. Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seitz Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PM ' ' Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I agree that hypertension is an important and true risk factor in CAD, and that lowering HTN via Yoga is a great treatment approach without downside. However, why is HTN present in the first place? It isn’t because of a deficiency in Yoga, but close. I believe it is a result of living un-naturally, i.e. lack of genotype specific needs with regards to diet and exercise. I also don’t think the “fats are being pushed into the arteries” but are more likely deposited as part of the scarring process in response to the chronic HTN, and the co-existent presence of the chronic inflammatory state. My opinions. Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sears Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:33 PM Seitz Cc: Subject: Re: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. The problem is not so much with blood fats as with hypertension which pushes the fats into the arteries. Addressing hypertension is the primary concern. Here's one of 73 citations on PubMed re yoga and hypertension. A review of yoga programs for four leading risk factors of chronic diseases. " A systematic search yielded 32 articles published between 1980 and April 2007. The studies found that yoga interventions are generally effective in reducing body weight, blood pressure, glucose level and high cholesterol, but only a few studies examined long-term adherence. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18227916?ordinalpos=4 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum Sears, DC NW PDX On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Seitz wrote: From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:31 PM 'Sharron Fuchs' Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Sharon- I don’t worry about total fat at all (or cholesterol), but I am very concerned about quality of fat. I too take 4g of fish oil, but try to avoid n-6 oils from corn, safflower. Borage can be good, depending on how the individual uses it (how it is utilized metabolically). I also use olive oil almost exclusively for cooking as long (as it doesn’t smoke). I have a problem with Canola oil, is it good? Is it safe? I’m not convinced either way, but I’m very suspicious. A big problem with saturated animal fats is what might be lurking in them, i.e. what was fed to the animal? Truly wild meat or range fed is important! (It also has more n-3 FA than grain fed). Instead of worrying about fats, I think we really need to worry about carbs, more specifically processed carbs. Eating real food, not frankenfood is the real answer, but this is EXTREMELY challenging with kids in the house, “come on dad, let’s get a pizza” begs my 17 year old son J Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron Fuchs Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: FW: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. ‘But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines’ This conclusion is poorly written but I think the final lines of the conclusion support the quote above. I get your point and confusion. For me, I have decided to reduce saturated fat – I love a good steak fat and all – add more olive oil – and now take 4 grams of fish oil and 4 grams of borage oil ( n-3 from fish and n-6 from borage I hope) exercise , try to reduce stress (ha! ) and see what happens. –s- From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seitz Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:50 AM Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Sharron- You are right… and wrong with regards to this article. I spouted off when I shouldn’t have! But I disagree with your statement “…but also lowering total fat in the diet.” From the conclusion you sent: Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Yet consider these conflicting conclusions from the article referenced: Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression. Am J Clin Nutr 2004;80: 1175–84. And many studies implicating saturated fats combine saturated fats with trans-fats so the results are skewed. This is where tropical oils developed their bad rep. And if total fat is the issue, and saturated fats are bad, why did the Inuit not all die from CAD? Their traditional diet was almost 0% carb, mostly fat with animal protein. Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron Fuchs Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Conclusions <image001.gif>TOP <image001.gif>ABSTRACT <image001.gif>INTRODUCTION <image001.gif>MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY... <image001.gif>NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK... <image001.gif>INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY... <image001.gif>FISH AND MARINE N-3... <image001.gif>ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA) <image001.gif>THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3... <image001.gif>DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS <image002.gif>CONCLUSIONS <image003.gif>REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials havedemonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients. A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se. It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to " choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat " , which is modified from the recommendation to " choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol " stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts andlegumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that " fat is bad " has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well. Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seitz Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PM ' ' Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Well said, ; certainly the quality of foods and levels of exercise are primary health concerns. I use the "high blood pressure pushes fats into the arteries" as a way of keeping patients focused on the larger picture: stress on the CV system is responsible for half of the deaths in America each year, and 60-90% of all office visits to doctors. Watching diet and exercising are well known and roundly discussed, but stress management with proven protocols less so. How we think about things is as important as how we eat and move, as you know. It's not an either/or decision. "It's the high blood pressure that pushes the fats into the arteries," has been an insightful statement that I've seen convince patients that stress management training is worth the effort for them.Cheers, Sears, DCNW PDX On Feb 19, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Seitz wrote:I agree that hypertension is an important and true risk factor in CAD, and that lowering HTN via Yoga is a great treatment approach without downside. However, why is HTN present in the first place? It isn’t because of a deficiency in Yoga, but close. I believe it is a result of living un-naturally, i.e. lack of genotype specific needs with regards to diet and exercise. I also don’t think the “fats are being pushed into the arteries” but are more likely deposited as part of the scarring process in response to the chronic HTN, and the co-existent presence of the chronic inflammatory state. My opinions. Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of SearsSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:33 PMTo: SeitzCc: Subject: Re: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. The problem is not so much with blood fats as with hypertension which pushes the fats into the arteries. Addressing hypertension is the primary concern. Here's one of 73 citations on PubMed re yoga and hypertension.A review of yoga programs for four leading risk factors of chronic diseases."A systematic search yielded 32 articles published between 1980 and April 2007. The studies found that yoga interventions are generally effective in reducing body weight, blood pressure, glucose level and high cholesterol, but only a few studies examined long-term adherence. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18227916?ordinalpos=4 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum Sears, DC NW PDX On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Seitz wrote: From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:31 PMTo: 'Sharron Fuchs'Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Sharon- I don’t worry about total fat at all (or cholesterol), but I am very concerned about quality of fat. I too take 4g of fish oil, but try to avoid n-6 oils from corn, safflower. Borage can be good, depending on how the individual uses it (how it is utilized metabolically). I also use olive oil almost exclusively for cooking as long (as it doesn’t smoke). I have a problem with Canola oil, is it good? Is it safe? I’m not convinced either way, but I’m very suspicious. A big problem with saturated animal fats is what might be lurking in them, i.e. what was fed to the animal? Truly wild meat or range fed is important! (It also has more n-3 FA than grain fed). Instead of worrying about fats, I think we really need to worry about carbs, more specifically processed carbs. Eating real food, not frankenfood is the real answer, but this is EXTREMELY challenging with kids in the house, “come on dad, let’s get a pizza” begs my 17 year old son J Seitz, DCFrom: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron FuchsSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:04 PMTo: Subject: FW: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. ‘But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines’ This conclusion is poorly written but I think the final lines of the conclusion support the quote above. I get your point and confusion. For me, I have decided to reduce saturated fat – I love a good steak fat and all – add more olive oil – and now take 4 grams of fish oil and 4 grams of borage oil ( n-3 from fish and n-6 from borage I hope) exercise , try to reduce stress (ha! ) and see what happens. –s- From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of SeitzSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:50 AMTo: Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Sharron- You are right… and wrong with regards to this article. I spouted off when I shouldn’t have! But I disagree with your statement “…but also lowering total fat in the diet.” From the conclusion you sent: Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Yet consider these conflicting conclusions from the article referenced: Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression. Am J Clin Nutr 2004;80: 1175–84. And many studies implicating saturated fats combine saturated fats with trans-fats so the results are skewed. This is where tropical oils developed their bad rep. And if total fat is the issue, and saturated fats are bad, why did the Inuit not all die from CAD? Their traditional diet was almost 0% carb, mostly fat with animal protein. Seitz, DCFrom: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron FuchsSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AMTo: Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Conclusions<image001.gif>TOP<image001.gif>ABSTRACT<image001.gif>INTRODUCTION<image001.gif>MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY...<image001.gif>NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK...<image001.gif>INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY...<image001.gif>FISH AND MARINE N-3...<image001.gif>ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA)<image001.gif>THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3...<image001.gif>DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS<image002.gif>CONCLUSIONS<image003.gif>REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials havedemonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients.A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se.It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to "choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat", which is modified from the recommendation to "choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol" stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts andlegumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that "fat is bad" has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well.Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of SeitzSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AMTo: Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PMTo: ' 'Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Well said, ; certainly the quality of foods and levels of exercise are primary health concerns. I use the "high blood pressure pushes fats into the arteries" as a way of keeping patients focused on the larger picture: stress on the CV system is responsible for half of the deaths in America each year, and 60-90% of all office visits to doctors. Watching diet and exercising are well known and roundly discussed, but stress management with proven protocols less so. How we think about things is as important as how we eat and move, as you know. It's not an either/or decision. "It's the high blood pressure that pushes the fats into the arteries," has been an insightful statement that I've seen convince patients that stress management training is worth the effort for them.Cheers, Sears, DCNW PDX On Feb 19, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Seitz wrote:I agree that hypertension is an important and true risk factor in CAD, and that lowering HTN via Yoga is a great treatment approach without downside. However, why is HTN present in the first place? It isn’t because of a deficiency in Yoga, but close. I believe it is a result of living un-naturally, i.e. lack of genotype specific needs with regards to diet and exercise. I also don’t think the “fats are being pushed into the arteries” but are more likely deposited as part of the scarring process in response to the chronic HTN, and the co-existent presence of the chronic inflammatory state. My opinions. Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of SearsSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:33 PMTo: SeitzCc: Subject: Re: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. The problem is not so much with blood fats as with hypertension which pushes the fats into the arteries. Addressing hypertension is the primary concern. Here's one of 73 citations on PubMed re yoga and hypertension.A review of yoga programs for four leading risk factors of chronic diseases."A systematic search yielded 32 articles published between 1980 and April 2007. The studies found that yoga interventions are generally effective in reducing body weight, blood pressure, glucose level and high cholesterol, but only a few studies examined long-term adherence. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18227916?ordinalpos=4 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum Sears, DC NW PDX On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Seitz wrote: From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:31 PMTo: 'Sharron Fuchs'Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Sharon- I don’t worry about total fat at all (or cholesterol), but I am very concerned about quality of fat. I too take 4g of fish oil, but try to avoid n-6 oils from corn, safflower. Borage can be good, depending on how the individual uses it (how it is utilized metabolically). I also use olive oil almost exclusively for cooking as long (as it doesn’t smoke). I have a problem with Canola oil, is it good? Is it safe? I’m not convinced either way, but I’m very suspicious. A big problem with saturated animal fats is what might be lurking in them, i.e. what was fed to the animal? Truly wild meat or range fed is important! (It also has more n-3 FA than grain fed). Instead of worrying about fats, I think we really need to worry about carbs, more specifically processed carbs. Eating real food, not frankenfood is the real answer, but this is EXTREMELY challenging with kids in the house, “come on dad, let’s get a pizza” begs my 17 year old son J Seitz, DCFrom: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron FuchsSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:04 PMTo: Subject: FW: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. ‘But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines’ This conclusion is poorly written but I think the final lines of the conclusion support the quote above. I get your point and confusion. For me, I have decided to reduce saturated fat – I love a good steak fat and all – add more olive oil – and now take 4 grams of fish oil and 4 grams of borage oil ( n-3 from fish and n-6 from borage I hope) exercise , try to reduce stress (ha! ) and see what happens. –s- From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of SeitzSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:50 AMTo: Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Sharron- You are right… and wrong with regards to this article. I spouted off when I shouldn’t have! But I disagree with your statement “…but also lowering total fat in the diet.” From the conclusion you sent: Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Yet consider these conflicting conclusions from the article referenced: Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression. Am J Clin Nutr 2004;80: 1175–84. And many studies implicating saturated fats combine saturated fats with trans-fats so the results are skewed. This is where tropical oils developed their bad rep. And if total fat is the issue, and saturated fats are bad, why did the Inuit not all die from CAD? Their traditional diet was almost 0% carb, mostly fat with animal protein. Seitz, DCFrom: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron FuchsSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AMTo: Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Conclusions<image001.gif>TOP<image001.gif>ABSTRACT<image001.gif>INTRODUCTION<image001.gif>MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY...<image001.gif>NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK...<image001.gif>INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY...<image001.gif>FISH AND MARINE N-3...<image001.gif>ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA)<image001.gif>THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3...<image001.gif>DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS<image002.gif>CONCLUSIONS<image003.gif>REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials havedemonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients.A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se.It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to "choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat", which is modified from the recommendation to "choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol" stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts andlegumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that "fat is bad" has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well.Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of SeitzSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AMTo: Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PMTo: ' 'Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I, too, use olive oil, but I swear I've never smoked it! Christian Mathisen, DC 3654 S Pacific Hwy Medford, OR 97501 cmathdc@... Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I, too, use olive oil, but I swear I've never smoked it! Christian Mathisen, DC 3654 S Pacific Hwy Medford, OR 97501 cmathdc@... Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Chestnut’s slogan is “eat well, move well, think well”, which matches what you are saying. What is neat is that as chiropractors, when we adjust we influence the “think well” part via stimulation of the nervous system at many points, including the limbic system. Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sears Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 6:32 AM Seitz Cc: Subject: Re: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Well said, ; certainly the quality of foods and levels of exercise are primary health concerns. I use the " high blood pressure pushes fats into the arteries " as a way of keeping patients focused on the larger picture: stress on the CV system is responsible for half of the deaths in America each year, and 60-90% of all office visits to doctors. Watching diet and exercising are well known and roundly discussed, but stress management with proven protocols less so. How we think about things is as important as how we eat and move, as you know. It's not an either/or decision. " It's the high blood pressure that pushes the fats into the arteries, " has been an insightful statement that I've seen convince patients that stress management training is worth the effort for them. Cheers, Sears, DC NW PDX On Feb 19, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Seitz wrote: I agree that hypertension is an important and true risk factor in CAD, and that lowering HTN via Yoga is a great treatment approach without downside. However, why is HTN present in the first place? It isn’t because of a deficiency in Yoga, but close. I believe it is a result of living un-naturally, i.e. lack of genotype specific needs with regards to diet and exercise. I also don’t think the “fats are being pushed into the arteries” but are more likely deposited as part of the scarring process in response to the chronic HTN, and the co-existent presence of the chronic inflammatory state. My opinions. Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sears Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:33 PM Seitz Cc: Subject: Re: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. The problem is not so much with blood fats as with hypertension which pushes the fats into the arteries. Addressing hypertension is the primary concern. Here's one of 73 citations on PubMed re yoga and hypertension. A review of yoga programs for four leading risk factors of chronic diseases. " A systematic search yielded 32 articles published between 1980 and April 2007. The studies found that yoga interventions are generally effective in reducing body weight, blood pressure, glucose level and high cholesterol, but only a few studies examined long-term adherence. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18227916?ordinalpos=4 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum Sears, DC NW PDX On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Seitz wrote: From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:31 PM 'Sharron Fuchs' Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Sharon- I don’t worry about total fat at all (or cholesterol), but I am very concerned about quality of fat. I too take 4g of fish oil, but try to avoid n-6 oils from corn, safflower. Borage can be good, depending on how the individual uses it (how it is utilized metabolically). I also use olive oil almost exclusively for cooking as long (as it doesn’t smoke). I have a problem with Canola oil, is it good? Is it safe? I’m not convinced either way, but I’m very suspicious. A big problem with saturated animal fats is what might be lurking in them, i.e. what was fed to the animal? Truly wild meat or range fed is important! (It also has more n-3 FA than grain fed). Instead of worrying about fats, I think we really need to worry about carbs, more specifically processed carbs. Eating real food, not frankenfood is the real answer, but this is EXTREMELY challenging with kids in the house, “come on dad, let’s get a pizza” begs my 17 year old son J Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron Fuchs Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: FW: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. ‘But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines’ This conclusion is poorly written but I think the final lines of the conclusion support the quote above. I get your point and confusion. For me, I have decided to reduce saturated fat – I love a good steak fat and all – add more olive oil – and now take 4 grams of fish oil and 4 grams of borage oil ( n-3 from fish and n-6 from borage I hope) exercise , try to reduce stress (ha! ) and see what happens. –s- From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seitz Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:50 AM Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Sharron- You are right… and wrong with regards to this article. I spouted off when I shouldn’t have! But I disagree with your statement “…but also lowering total fat in the diet.” From the conclusion you sent: Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Yet consider these conflicting conclusions from the article referenced: Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression. Am J Clin Nutr 2004;80: 1175–84. And many studies implicating saturated fats combine saturated fats with trans-fats so the results are skewed. This is where tropical oils developed their bad rep. And if total fat is the issue, and saturated fats are bad, why did the Inuit not all die from CAD? Their traditional diet was almost 0% carb, mostly fat with animal protein. Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron Fuchs Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Conclusions <image001.gif>TOP <image001.gif>ABSTRACT <image001.gif>INTRODUCTION <image001.gif>MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY... <image001.gif>NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK... <image001.gif>INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY... <image001.gif>FISH AND MARINE N-3... <image001.gif>ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA) <image001.gif>THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3... <image001.gif>DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS <image002.gif>CONCLUSIONS <image003.gif>REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials havedemonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients. A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se. It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to " choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat " , which is modified from the recommendation to " choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol " stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts andlegumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that " fat is bad " has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well. Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seitz Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PM ' ' Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Chestnut’s slogan is “eat well, move well, think well”, which matches what you are saying. What is neat is that as chiropractors, when we adjust we influence the “think well” part via stimulation of the nervous system at many points, including the limbic system. Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sears Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 6:32 AM Seitz Cc: Subject: Re: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Well said, ; certainly the quality of foods and levels of exercise are primary health concerns. I use the " high blood pressure pushes fats into the arteries " as a way of keeping patients focused on the larger picture: stress on the CV system is responsible for half of the deaths in America each year, and 60-90% of all office visits to doctors. Watching diet and exercising are well known and roundly discussed, but stress management with proven protocols less so. How we think about things is as important as how we eat and move, as you know. It's not an either/or decision. " It's the high blood pressure that pushes the fats into the arteries, " has been an insightful statement that I've seen convince patients that stress management training is worth the effort for them. Cheers, Sears, DC NW PDX On Feb 19, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Seitz wrote: I agree that hypertension is an important and true risk factor in CAD, and that lowering HTN via Yoga is a great treatment approach without downside. However, why is HTN present in the first place? It isn’t because of a deficiency in Yoga, but close. I believe it is a result of living un-naturally, i.e. lack of genotype specific needs with regards to diet and exercise. I also don’t think the “fats are being pushed into the arteries” but are more likely deposited as part of the scarring process in response to the chronic HTN, and the co-existent presence of the chronic inflammatory state. My opinions. Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sears Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:33 PM Seitz Cc: Subject: Re: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. The problem is not so much with blood fats as with hypertension which pushes the fats into the arteries. Addressing hypertension is the primary concern. Here's one of 73 citations on PubMed re yoga and hypertension. A review of yoga programs for four leading risk factors of chronic diseases. " A systematic search yielded 32 articles published between 1980 and April 2007. The studies found that yoga interventions are generally effective in reducing body weight, blood pressure, glucose level and high cholesterol, but only a few studies examined long-term adherence. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18227916?ordinalpos=4 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum Sears, DC NW PDX On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Seitz wrote: From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:31 PM 'Sharron Fuchs' Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Sharon- I don’t worry about total fat at all (or cholesterol), but I am very concerned about quality of fat. I too take 4g of fish oil, but try to avoid n-6 oils from corn, safflower. Borage can be good, depending on how the individual uses it (how it is utilized metabolically). I also use olive oil almost exclusively for cooking as long (as it doesn’t smoke). I have a problem with Canola oil, is it good? Is it safe? I’m not convinced either way, but I’m very suspicious. A big problem with saturated animal fats is what might be lurking in them, i.e. what was fed to the animal? Truly wild meat or range fed is important! (It also has more n-3 FA than grain fed). Instead of worrying about fats, I think we really need to worry about carbs, more specifically processed carbs. Eating real food, not frankenfood is the real answer, but this is EXTREMELY challenging with kids in the house, “come on dad, let’s get a pizza” begs my 17 year old son J Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron Fuchs Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: FW: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. ‘But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines’ This conclusion is poorly written but I think the final lines of the conclusion support the quote above. I get your point and confusion. For me, I have decided to reduce saturated fat – I love a good steak fat and all – add more olive oil – and now take 4 grams of fish oil and 4 grams of borage oil ( n-3 from fish and n-6 from borage I hope) exercise , try to reduce stress (ha! ) and see what happens. –s- From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seitz Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:50 AM Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Sharron- You are right… and wrong with regards to this article. I spouted off when I shouldn’t have! But I disagree with your statement “…but also lowering total fat in the diet.” From the conclusion you sent: Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Yet consider these conflicting conclusions from the article referenced: Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression. Am J Clin Nutr 2004;80: 1175–84. And many studies implicating saturated fats combine saturated fats with trans-fats so the results are skewed. This is where tropical oils developed their bad rep. And if total fat is the issue, and saturated fats are bad, why did the Inuit not all die from CAD? Their traditional diet was almost 0% carb, mostly fat with animal protein. Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron Fuchs Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: RE: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Conclusions <image001.gif>TOP <image001.gif>ABSTRACT <image001.gif>INTRODUCTION <image001.gif>MAJOR TYPES OF DIETARY... <image001.gif>NUT CONSUMPTION AND RISK... <image001.gif>INTERVENTION TRIALS OF DIETARY... <image001.gif>FISH AND MARINE N-3... <image001.gif>ALPHA-LINOLENIC ACID (ALA) <image001.gif>THE BALANCE BETWEEN N-3... <image001.gif>DIETARY CHOLESTERAL AND EGGS <image002.gif>CONCLUSIONS <image003.gif>REFERENCES Compelling evidence indicates the greater importance of types of fat than total amount of fat with respect to risk of CHD, although the optimal mixture of different fatty acids remains unsettled. The seminal metabolic studies conducted by Keys [25] and Hegested [26] have long established that the type of fat but not total amount of fat predicts serum cholesterol levels. Consistent with the metabolic studies, epidemiologic studies strongly support the idea that types of fat are more important than total amount of fat in determining the risk of CHD. Controlled clinical trials have also shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is more effective in lowering serum cholesterol and reducing risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat consumption. Moreover, secondary prevention trials havedemonstrated that adding n-3 fatty acids from fish or plant sources to the diet without altering total amount of fat substantially reduces coronary and total mortality among post-MI patients. A major purported benefit of a low-fat diet is weight loss. But long-term clinical trials have not provided convincing evidence that reducing dietary fat can lead to substantial weight loss [141]. On the contrary, there is some evidence that a diet containing a high amount of refined carbohydrates may increase hunger and promote overeating, which can lead to weight gain and obesity [142]. It is now generally agreed that total energy intake, whether from fat or carbohydrate, relative to energy expenditure, is a more important determinant of body weight than dietary fat per se. It has been increasingly recognized that the widely promoted low-fat concept is too simplistic and not compatible with available scientific data. In this context, the recently revised national dietary guidelines [123,143] have de-emphasized the role of total fat in the prevention of CHD and other chronic diseases. In particular, the 2000 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend the public to " choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat " , which is modified from the recommendation to " choose a diet low in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol " stated in the 1995 edition of the guidelines. But the revised guidelines have inherited the recommendation of no more than 30% of calories from fat from previous editions of the guidelines. Also, in the food guide pyramid, all fats and oils are still lumped together on the top with no distinguishing of different types of fat. The revised 2000 American Heart Association (AHA) dietary guidelines have gone a step further to eliminate the upper limit of 30% of calories from fat as a major dietary recommendation to prevent cardiovascular disease. Moreover, the AHA major guidelines recommend the public to substitute unsaturated fatty acids from vegetable oils, fish, nuts andlegumes for saturated and trans fatty acids. These guidelines, if followed, can have substantial potential in further reducing rates of CHD in the U.S. However, due to the campaign against total fat over the years, the belief that " fat is bad " has been strong and widespread. Thus, great educational efforts are needed to communicate nutritional messages about the health effects of different types of fat to the public and to translate current dietary recommendations into dietary practice as well. Received November 2, 2000. Accepted November 22, 2000. I don’t believe the study ‘shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease’ - my impression is that not only is lowering saturated fat beneficial for prevention but also lowering total fat in the diet. s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seitz Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. From: Seitz [mailto:briantualityphysicians] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23 PM ' ' Subject: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I must confess I have “smoked the oil” but I never inhaled! Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Christian Mathisen Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:04 AM ; Seitz Subject: Re: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. I, too, use olive oil, but I swear I've never smoked it! Christian Mathisen, DC 3654 S Pacific Hwy Medford, OR 97501 cmathdcjeffnet (DOT) org Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I must confess I have “smoked the oil” but I never inhaled! Seitz, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Christian Mathisen Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:04 AM ; Seitz Subject: Re: FW: Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. I, too, use olive oil, but I swear I've never smoked it! Christian Mathisen, DC 3654 S Pacific Hwy Medford, OR 97501 cmathdcjeffnet (DOT) org Types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a critical review. Go here for a free copy of this study which shows the bogus nature of the belief that saturated fats cause heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293467 Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Thanks for your response. I'm sure I'll enjoy Chestnut's work (which I hear so much about), but my exposure to him so far is in the comments made by others."Wellness," it seems to me, calls us to be teachers of personal responsibility of the part of patients. The adjustment will always be a powerful and necessary protocol, but unlocking functional innate intelligence by active interventions must also be a part of our evolving profession. Primary care health responsibilities are opening to us. If we can teach and measure basic health education from a conservative neurological POV, we can raise the health levels of all Americans, reduce incidence of chronic pain and disease, and lower costs by low tech means. Wellness has to be more than patients just being self-responsible enough to come in and get adjusted regularly.We can influence how we think all of the time by stimulating the hypothalamus with our breathing. Allow me to explain. (Skip to the end if you already know this stuff...)“Our hypothalamus is centered at the base of the brain, below the thalamus. Here, it is strategically placed to integrate our primitive instinctual drives. The words we attach to them include sexual longing, hunger, thirst, fear, anger and aggression. It can participate in these drives, because it links the limbic system, brain stem, and forebrain areas with many vital endocrine functions of that master gland, just below it, the pituitary. In the process, it governs our internal environment – its water and salt balance, temperature, cycles, and hormones.” H. Austin, MD, “Zen and the Brain,” MIT Press, 2001, p. 189. Austin reports that when a monkey has an apple put in front of it’s face, the lateral regions of the hypothalamus fire in about the same proportion as seen when the monkey is highly aroused in general. Global responses in the body from this instinctual level are either positive (“rewarding” properties) or negative (“unpleasant” properties). Initially, the brain (cortex) perceives a threat and with the amygdala orders the hypothalamus to stimulate the pituitary and beyond to the adrenals (H-P-A cascade) to either prepare for fighting or repairing. Finally, we summarize these responses as either sympathetic or parasympathetic responses, from a neurological POV. The hypothalamus connects the brain and the body psychoneuroimmunologically. Thoughts trigger responses by the hypothalamus and pituitary, as do physical actions such as sound vibrations. Herbert Benson’s work shows that calming thoughts enhance effective medicine effects by 30% and ineffective ones can be made effective by the placebo effect. Negative thoughts about medication can make them less beneficial. Studying health levels of religious groups shows that their (generally) optimistic, secure station in life yields overall healthier lives than non-religious people. Sound vibrations, such as singing, chanting, repeating a mantra, or even the passage of the breath can also have a calming effect on the hypothalamus and lead to therapeutic effects. Since Pythagoris said, “A stone is frozen music,” research has shown us the powerful effects of vibratory sound on human health:1. lowered heart rate2. lowered blood pressure3. reduction of stress hormones4. improved output of melatonin5. increased lymphatic circulation6. enhanced release of endorphins7. increased immune system function8. increased production of interleukin-1 (Dharma Sing Khalsa, MD, “Meditation as Medicine,” Fireside Pub., New York, 2001, p. 114) So, to the point: if one places the tongue on the ridge above the upper teeth, then the nasal breath can be made to pass over the upper palate in such a way as to vibrate the hypothalamus directly above it. Practicing this vibratory stimulation by breath ( a slight snoring) has a strongly calming effect on the H-P-A cascade of hormones, leading to parasympatonia. While thoughts, even calming are difficult to hold over time, breath stimulation of the H-P-A can be calmly sustained over time, and practiced moment to moment as needed privately. Give it a go and see how you feel. Sears, DCNW PDXOn Feb 20, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Seitz wrote: Chestnut’s slogan is “eat well, move well, think well”, which matches what you are saying. What is neat is that as chiropractors, when we adjust we influence the “think well” part via stimulation of the nervous system at many points, including the limbic system. Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Thanks for your response. I'm sure I'll enjoy Chestnut's work (which I hear so much about), but my exposure to him so far is in the comments made by others."Wellness," it seems to me, calls us to be teachers of personal responsibility of the part of patients. The adjustment will always be a powerful and necessary protocol, but unlocking functional innate intelligence by active interventions must also be a part of our evolving profession. Primary care health responsibilities are opening to us. If we can teach and measure basic health education from a conservative neurological POV, we can raise the health levels of all Americans, reduce incidence of chronic pain and disease, and lower costs by low tech means. Wellness has to be more than patients just being self-responsible enough to come in and get adjusted regularly.We can influence how we think all of the time by stimulating the hypothalamus with our breathing. Allow me to explain. (Skip to the end if you already know this stuff...)“Our hypothalamus is centered at the base of the brain, below the thalamus. Here, it is strategically placed to integrate our primitive instinctual drives. The words we attach to them include sexual longing, hunger, thirst, fear, anger and aggression. It can participate in these drives, because it links the limbic system, brain stem, and forebrain areas with many vital endocrine functions of that master gland, just below it, the pituitary. In the process, it governs our internal environment – its water and salt balance, temperature, cycles, and hormones.” H. Austin, MD, “Zen and the Brain,” MIT Press, 2001, p. 189. Austin reports that when a monkey has an apple put in front of it’s face, the lateral regions of the hypothalamus fire in about the same proportion as seen when the monkey is highly aroused in general. Global responses in the body from this instinctual level are either positive (“rewarding” properties) or negative (“unpleasant” properties). Initially, the brain (cortex) perceives a threat and with the amygdala orders the hypothalamus to stimulate the pituitary and beyond to the adrenals (H-P-A cascade) to either prepare for fighting or repairing. Finally, we summarize these responses as either sympathetic or parasympathetic responses, from a neurological POV. The hypothalamus connects the brain and the body psychoneuroimmunologically. Thoughts trigger responses by the hypothalamus and pituitary, as do physical actions such as sound vibrations. Herbert Benson’s work shows that calming thoughts enhance effective medicine effects by 30% and ineffective ones can be made effective by the placebo effect. Negative thoughts about medication can make them less beneficial. Studying health levels of religious groups shows that their (generally) optimistic, secure station in life yields overall healthier lives than non-religious people. Sound vibrations, such as singing, chanting, repeating a mantra, or even the passage of the breath can also have a calming effect on the hypothalamus and lead to therapeutic effects. Since Pythagoris said, “A stone is frozen music,” research has shown us the powerful effects of vibratory sound on human health:1. lowered heart rate2. lowered blood pressure3. reduction of stress hormones4. improved output of melatonin5. increased lymphatic circulation6. enhanced release of endorphins7. increased immune system function8. increased production of interleukin-1 (Dharma Sing Khalsa, MD, “Meditation as Medicine,” Fireside Pub., New York, 2001, p. 114) So, to the point: if one places the tongue on the ridge above the upper teeth, then the nasal breath can be made to pass over the upper palate in such a way as to vibrate the hypothalamus directly above it. Practicing this vibratory stimulation by breath ( a slight snoring) has a strongly calming effect on the H-P-A cascade of hormones, leading to parasympatonia. While thoughts, even calming are difficult to hold over time, breath stimulation of the H-P-A can be calmly sustained over time, and practiced moment to moment as needed privately. Give it a go and see how you feel. Sears, DCNW PDXOn Feb 20, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Seitz wrote: Chestnut’s slogan is “eat well, move well, think well”, which matches what you are saying. What is neat is that as chiropractors, when we adjust we influence the “think well” part via stimulation of the nervous system at many points, including the limbic system. Seitz, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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