Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Jo, Swingle uses a ratio of highbeta divided by beta as a measure of hot cingulate activity. Roughly speaking, the further below 0.45 the number is, the more passive and unmotivated a client is likely to be; further above 0.55 the more willful, stubborn and maybe compulsive. Pete > > From: " Neurofeedback Japan " <neurofeedback@...> > Date: 2004/11/11 Thu PM 10:55:52 EST > " ' Van Deusen' " <pvdtlc@...> > Subject: Swingle Ratio > > Pete, > > > > What is Swingle Ratio? I found it in the Heads section of the Analyze page > of assessment. > > > > Jo Sato > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Steve, This is a special version of the assessment for BioExplorer users who have completed the trainers practicum. Its easy enough to calculate it from the heads page on the other versions. Pete > > From: " P. Dal Cerro, Ph.D. " <gauge2_99@...> > Date: 2004/11/18 Thu AM 08:15:54 EST > > Subject: Re: Swingle Ratio > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 The Swingle Ratio relates to the cingulate, so it is only at Fz > > From: " P. Dal Cerro, Ph.D. " <gauge2_99@...> > Date: 2004/11/18 Thu AM 08:15:54 EST > > Subject: Re: Swingle Ratio > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 I was reviewing my notes and a tape from Pete's workshop II and noticed the following on one of the slides labled Locking: Swingle Ratio: FZ High Beta/Beta * 0.45- 0.55 ok * higher values, more strong-willed * lower values, more passive I don't remember this being discussed in my class and wondered if someone could elaborate. My son's is about double this (and yes...he is headstrong!) Would I typically look at the percentage head or the amplitutde head for this, or both? To address this issue, would one train down both Beta & Hi Beta, or just Hi Beta at FZ? Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Hi again , Good find! Really, the swingle ratio is 1 or above? You asked: Would I typically look at the percentage head or the amplitutde head for this, or both? Since you are looking for a relative measure (comparing FZ to F3 and F4) Percentages seem more logical a reading to me. But by looking at both, % and real you will get a better overall picture. One thing about training locking. Pete's often suggested that we "let off steam" with temporal lobe training before taking on Locking manifestations. Go to this after you have done some other training that is showing a calming in body energy and a less reactive personality. You asked: would one train down both Beta & Hi Beta, or just Hi Beta at FZ? In that he's a kid, you could train down 20-38. Be well, -----Original Mes sage-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of lindadedavisSent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: SWINGLE RATIOI was reviewing my notes and a tape from Pete's workshop II and noticed the following on one of the slides labled Locking:Swingle Ratio: FZ High Beta/Beta* 0.45- 0.55 ok* higher values, more strong-willed* lower values, more passiveI don't remember this being discussed in my class and wondered if someone could elaborate. My son's is about double this (and yes...he is headstrong!) Would I typically look at the percentage head or the amplitutde head for this, or both? To address this issue, would one train down both Beta & Hi Beta, or just Hi Beta at FZ?Thanks, -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Hi , It is a find I'm not sure I understand very well. In this particular case, High Beta at FZ is 11.6, Beta is 10.5, so the ratio is above 1. It is actually about the same using both heads. As you well know, we are currently doing temporal lobe training. Good to have reinforcement that we are doing the right thing! If this pattern was in an adult, after " letting off steam " in the temporal lobes, would you then train down High Beta 23-38 directly at FZ? Or would it be better to do a bipolar placement between the temporal lobes and FZ? Just curious. As I go back through my notes from the workshop, there is so much great information that I missed...I feel like I need to go through the workshop again...and again... Pete, have you ever considered writing a reference book on TLC? I don't know about anyone else, but there is just so much great information, it is hard to get a firm grasp on it! Thanks, > Hi again , > > Good find! Really, the swingle ratio is 1 or above? > > You asked: > Would I typically look at the percentage head or the amplitutde head > for this, or both? > > Since you are looking for a relative measure (comparing FZ to F3 > and F4) Percentages seem more logical a reading to me. But by looking at > both, % and real you will get a better overall picture. > > One thing about training locking. Pete's often suggested that we " let > off steam " with temporal lobe training before taking on Locking > manifestations. Go to this after you have done some other training that > is showing a calming in body energy and a less reactive personality. > > You asked: > would one train down both Beta & Hi Beta, or just Hi Beta at FZ? > In that he's a kid, you could train down 20-38. > > Be well, > > > > -----Original Mes sage----- > > > I was reviewing my notes and a tape from Pete's workshop II and > noticed the following on one of the slides labled Locking: > > Swingle Ratio: FZ High Beta/Beta > * 0.45- 0.55 ok > * higher values, more strong-willed > * lower values, more passive > > I don't remember this being discussed in my class and wondered if > someone could elaborate. My son's is about double this (and yes...he > is headstrong!) > > Would I typically look at the percentage head or the amplitutde head > for this, or both? To address this issue, would one train down both > Beta & Hi Beta, or just Hi Beta at FZ? > > Thanks, > > > > > > _____ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Some folks who use HEG more than I have reported on the list that doing it reduces activation in brains that are too activated as well as increasing activation in brains that are underactivated. I haven't seen this myself, but it's probably worth a try. Pete > > From: " lindadedavis " <D@...> > Date: 2005/05/10 Tue AM 08:16:50 EDT > > Subject: Re: SWINGLE RATIO > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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