Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Yuri, I think you are talking about Pocket Neurobics, which makes the Pendant and Pocket Wireless unit. I use both of those as well as the PET. I haven't seen the Neurobit, so I can't speak to it. The ones I use are all 2-channel units with independent references in each channel. Each of these has its strengths and weaknesses. Pendant is very inexpensive (less than $600 through the brain-trainer website), and has excellent specs (256 sampling rate, same as ProComp; A/D conversion bit rate of 12, which I believe is equal to ProComp; flat amplification curve like ProComp). The Pocket Wireless (about $1,400 without HEG headband) has been completely redesigned and is due out fairly soon. It has been upgraded to the specs of the Pendant and will be able to do EEG and/or either type of HEG with the same unit. It is capable of operating without a computer (though with pretty limited feedback). It is worth noting that learning to navigate through the menu system on the Pocket can be a pretty daunting process. The problems with these units have primarily to do with failures of their dongles (receiving unit, which plugs into a USB port.) and their wireless connections. They are not terribly robust, so they can easily suffer interference in environments with other radio frequency (rf) devices around. I frequently have multiple Pendants or Pockets at trainings, and although they can switch rf channels among 8 options, it is very common to have them interfering with one another, causing the signal to drop out sporadically during the session. In a more isolated environment they do quite well, and they have an effective range of about 15 feet from the computer as long as there is a clear line of sight between the unit and its dongle. The Brainquiry PET (about $1,450) samples at 200 (though this can be changed in software) and has a bit rate up in the 20's, with a flat amplification curve. It is the most solid and robust of the units I have seen, and it has the active electrodes built-in, so you need not prep sites or test impedances to get nearly perfect signals with disposable electrodes. It has a very powerful and easy-to-use bluetooth wireless connection which can function through walls and at distances up to 30 yards. These features make it a remarkable option for home trainers, since you don't have to worry about signal quality or loss of signal compromising the training. I would disagree with what you have heard about inconvenience. I have found this the most convenient of the units to use. It is a DC amplifier--which may turn out to have great benefit in the near future--so it does require slight additions to BioExplorer protocols, but we are implementing those additions in all new and revised designs in the TLC Design subscription package, and we'll be adding them to all the old protocols as they are updated. Pete Wireless EEG biofeedback - advice needed Currently there are several manufacturers offering Wireless EEG biofeedback, like Neurobics, Neurobit (http://www.neurobitsystems.com/product.htm) and Brainquiry. J & J also supports wireless version but it goes more expensive and is already like small physio lab with 6 channels. All are working with same software package (BioExplorer). First 2 are both standalone and computer, Brainquiry and J & J supports just computer version. All of them (apart from J & J) are relatively new on the market. I read nice report on the site on Active Electrodes, and I understand this is one of the main strengths of Brainquiry. On the other way round, same report shows that the use of their equipment is not as convenient. Certainly Pocket device which gives programmable standalone capabilities is very tempting. Could anybody on the list recommend any of these products for EEG biofeedback for homeuse, including Theta braiwave training and relaxation (Alpha training)? A. Convenience of use. I am planning to put electrodes on my head myself, so convenience of use is significant B. Reliability of hardware (as far as I leave overseas it's problematic for me to exchange the equipment) C. Reliability of signals processing/feedback (if compare to any reference point, like ThoughtTechnology or J & J). Thanks Yuri com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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