Re: Soy and phytic acid QUESTION

November 15, 2006

Phytic acid is the growth inhibitor enzyme and is easily soaked out of the

soybeans, which is why the fermented products are beneficial. Some of the better

organic companies may also soak their beans before milk production because

that's the only way to naturally remove the bitter taste. C

Rose Lieberman <lapis@...> wrote: Oh, I'm so depressed.

I looked up information on soy and phytic acid and I can't believe (well, I can,

actually) that I'm eating the wrong thing.

QUESTION: Of those of you who don't use tofu because of the phytic acid, what do

you use for protein?

Thanks,

Rose

November 15, 2006

Not to start an argument but it seems strange that millions of Chinese have

used soy for decades and never reported many problems with eating it and

they have some of the longest living folks in the world.

Wayi

Soy and phytic acid QUESTION

> Oh, I'm so depressed. I looked up information on soy and phytic acid and

> I can't believe (well, I can, actually) that I'm eating the wrong thing.

>

> QUESTION: Of those of you who don't use tofu because of the phytic acid,

> what do you use for protein?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Rose

>

November 15, 2006

In a message dated 11/15/2006 12:00:36 P.M. Central Standard Time,

wayi@... writes:

Not to start an argument but it seems strange that millions of Chinese have

used soy for decades and never reported many problems with eating it and

they have some of the longest living folks in the world.

Wayi

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November 15, 2006

Soy is so cheap that in America it is added into everything... salad

dressing, mayo, cereal, tuna fish, cookies, bread, anything. In China

they probably only eat it as tofu or beans, more moderately and as a

whole food. So it is not surprising that we who don't really know how

much of it we are eating, unless we watch carefully, have developed

sensitivity or an allergy to it. Just another example of America

overindulgence, not to help create an argument or anything.

November 15, 2006

Yes, I have wondered about that too. I suspect the problems with soy

originated when 'they' decided to start isolating certain components and

calling those components " good for us, usable protein, meat substitute,

etc " , whether for hormone supplement sold for PMS and menopause, or a

protein drink or a fake burger patty. Now I have heard there is the

'estrogen' factor in regard to soy products and woman who have had

breast cancer are being advised to stay away from soy products. There

are so many factors as to the cause of a dis-ease, soy may be getting a

bad rap. Diane

wayi wrote:

>Not to start an argument but it seems strange that millions of Chinese have

>used soy for decades and never reported many problems with eating it and

>they have some of the longest living folks in the world.

>

>Wayi

>

> Soy and phytic acid QUESTION

>

>>Oh, I'm so depressed. I looked up information on soy and phytic acid and

>>I can't believe (well, I can, actually) that I'm eating the wrong thing.

>>

>>QUESTION: Of those of you who don't use tofu because of the phytic acid,

>>what do you use for protein?

>>

>>Thanks,

>>

>>Rose

>>

November 15, 2006

Chinese have

> used soy for decades and never reported many

> problems with eating it

In China soy is primarily soaked or fermented before

eaten, thereby deactivating the phytic acid. They

resultingly have numbers of soy foods that contain

little to no growth inhibitors. Some of China's great

fermented soy products are miso, nato, fermented tofu,

and soymilk from fermented beans. I luv nato!

For my protien I enjoy wild and organic meats (like

deer and buffalo). They're the only meats I'm willing

to eat because they're very healthy for the body and

environment.

Also one of humanity's oldest forms of energy and

protien is spirulina (blue-green algae). Spirulina

provides all the required amino acids, and in a form

that is five times easier to digest than meat or soy

protein.

Here's a site with nutrition info:

http://www.naturalways.com/spirulina-analysis.htm

My husband says he knew one guy who lived mainly off

of Mcs's and fast-food who, naturally, seemed

really sluggish and sickly all the time... What's

funny is this guy started eating spirulina, but he

didn't really change much of anything else about his

diet.. But he had a great deal more energy and seemed

a lot happier and healthier.

I actually only researched it recently and just sent

out for my first try of it. But my husband's tried it

before and he loves it. If anyone wants to know the

company I am buying from I'll be happy to share with

ya. I believe it's the first company to start selling

the stuff and it's in CA,USA.

Peace, Zia

> Soy and phytic acid

> QUESTION

>

> > Oh, I'm so depressed. I looked up information on

> soy and phytic acid and

> > I can't believe (well, I can, actually) that I'm

> eating the wrong thing.

> >

> > QUESTION: Of those of you who don't use tofu

> because of the phytic acid,

> > what do you use for protein?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Rose

> >

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November 15, 2006

Yes, I believe you made a good point. We are not aware of how much of

_______ we are getting in our systems when we eat foods that are

processed, unless we read the labels and even then...

Plain old tofu or its fermented products in balance with everything

else, even venison or ostrich, what ever helps us feel better is the key

I suppose, unless one is more devoted to the philosophy of the eating

lifestyle rather than to the individual appropriateness of it.

There is the issue of portion control too. In this country of abundance

for many, our meal size has increased dramatically over the years

resulting in the mantra " I'm stuffed! " , a phrase not longer reserved to

post-Thanksgiving groans.

Oh, we are a funny lot, we humans. Diane

wrote:

>Soy is so cheap that in America it is added into everything... salad

>dressing, mayo, cereal, tuna fish, cookies, bread, anything. In China

>they probably only eat it as tofu or beans, more moderately and as a

>whole food. So it is not surprising that we who don't really know how

>much of it we are eating, unless we watch carefully, have developed

>sensitivity or an allergy to it. Just another example of America

>overindulgence, not to help create an argument or anything.

>

November 15, 2006

I would love to know where you get the blue-green algae.

Wayi

Soy and phytic acid

>> QUESTION

>>

>> > Oh, I'm so depressed. I looked up information on

>> soy and phytic acid and

>> > I can't believe (well, I can, actually) that I'm

>> eating the wrong thing.

>> >

>> > QUESTION: Of those of you who don't use tofu

>> because of the phytic acid,

>> > what do you use for protein?

>> >

>> > Thanks,

>> >

>> > Rose

>> >

>

> Embrace this moment. Remember. we are eternal.

> all this pain is an illusion.

>

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November 15, 2006

Many years ago I took cooking classes from a gentleman from Japan and he

used soy/tofu in everything. He told us if we used the right types, it would

take on the flavor of anything we cooked. It was used as filler to expand

meals to feed more. Yes, they do process soy and make it safe to eat and I

think that is the problem here with the items being sold. Also, food

producers don't want us making our own food or buying cheaper from others

because they loose money, so they try scaring us into buying only theirs.

Wayi

Soy and phytic acid QUESTION

>>

>>>Oh, I'm so depressed. I looked up information on soy and phytic acid and

>>>I can't believe (well, I can, actually) that I'm eating the wrong thing.

>>>

>>>QUESTION: Of those of you who don't use tofu because of the phytic acid,

>>>what do you use for protein?

>>>

>>>Thanks,

>>>

>>>Rose

>>>

November 15, 2006

Here's another site where you can order chlorella and spirulia...

http://chlorella-europe.com/neworder2.html

I took it for over a year and felt great. However, since I have been eating huge

amounts of sprouts I find I don't need the algae or vitamins or any other

supplements. I prefer to eat rather than take supplements and sprouts are the

cheapest and most nutritious thing on earth!! Of course, I don't eat much of any

junk food either or sugar, so my system doesn't have to work twice as hard to

stay healthy!

Bonnie

wayi <wayi@...> wrote: I would love to

know where you get the blue-green algae.

Wayi

Soy and phytic acid

>> QUESTION

>>

>> > Oh, I'm so depressed. I looked up information on

>> soy and phytic acid and

>> > I can't believe (well, I can, actually) that I'm

>> eating the wrong thing.

>> >

>> > QUESTION: Of those of you who don't use tofu

>> because of the phytic acid,

>> > what do you use for protein?

>> >

>> > Thanks,

>> >

>> > Rose

>> >

>

> Embrace this moment. Remember. we are eternal.

> all this pain is an illusion.

>

> __________________________________________________________

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November 15, 2006

Try Bulk Foods (www.bulkfoods.com), go to Healthy Supplements.

>

>I would love to know where you get the blue-green algae.

>

>Wayi

>

> Soy and phytic acid

>>> QUESTION

>>>

>>> > Oh, I'm so depressed. I looked up information on

>>> soy and phytic acid and

>>> > I can't believe (well, I can, actually) that I'm

>>> eating the wrong thing.

>>> >

>>> > QUESTION: Of those of you who don't use tofu

>>> because of the phytic acid,

>>> > what do you use for protein?

>>> >

>>> > Thanks,

>>> >

>>> > Rose

>>> >

>>

>> Embrace this moment. Remember. we are eternal.

>> all this pain is an illusion.

>>

>> __________________________________________________________

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November 15, 2006

>>QUESTION: Of those of you who don't use tofu because of the phytic acid, what

do you use for protein?<<

Would you believe there is plenty of protein in whole grains, legumes and even

veggies and sprouts! Not only that, it is in a form that the body can easily

digest and it won't pull calcium from your bones to regulate your blood ph since

veggies come with calcium and other minerals needed and animal protein does not.

That's why Americans have a big problem with osteoporosis. They eat too much

animal protein! I have a history of osteoporosis in my family and I'm also only

5'1 " and was eating a lot of meat and dairy some years back (up until I changed

my diet 8 years ago). After a bone scan at age 56 it was discovered that I had

osteopenia in the upper portion of my body and the doctor wanted to put me on

some drug for it. Since I had just changed my diet and was reading a lot about

nutrition, I refused and said I'd wait and see how things go after a year or

two. He was not happy with me but agreed to let me try since " we caught it

early! " The only change I made was I added

weights to my arms while doing aerobics. I continued my new whole foods vegan

diet and went to aerobics 3x a week plus started yoga. LOL! That was 7 years

ago. I have no fear of ever getting osteoporosis! Just because there is a

history of breast cancer and osteoporosis in my family doesn't mean I have to

get it too! I don't need meds (that always have side effects), I just need to

continue to eat nutritious meals, exercise and deal with stress via yoga and

meditation. Not as easy as popping a pill, but a whole lot more enjoyable when I

at 63 I feel 20 years younger and have no health problems. Bring on the sprouts!

;-)

Bonnie

Rose Lieberman <lapis@...> wrote:

Oh, I'm so depressed. I looked up information on soy and phytic acid and I

can't believe (well, I can, actually) that I'm eating the wrong thing.

QUESTION: Of those of you who don't use tofu because of the phytic acid, what

do you use for protein?

Thanks,

Rose

November 15, 2006

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Wayi

Soy and phytic acid

>>>> QUESTION

>>>>

>>>> > Oh, I'm so depressed. I looked up information on

>>>> soy and phytic acid and

>>>> > I can't believe (well, I can, actually) that I'm

>>>> eating the wrong thing.

>>>> >

>>>> > QUESTION: Of those of you who don't use tofu

>>>> because of the phytic acid,

>>>> > what do you use for protein?

>>>> >

>>>> > Thanks,

>>>> >

>>>> > Rose

>>>> >

>>>

>>> Embrace this moment. Remember. we are eternal.

>>> all this pain is an illusion.

>>>

>>> __________________________________________________________

>>> Sponsored Link

>>>

>>> Mortgage rates near 39yr lows.

>>> $310k for $999/mo. Calculate new payment!

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>>>

November 15, 2006

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Wayi

Soy and phytic acid

>>>> QUESTION

>>>>

>>>> > Oh, I'm so depressed. I looked up information on

>>>> soy and phytic acid and

>>>> > I can't believe (well, I can, actually) that I'm

>>>> eating the wrong thing.

>>>> >

>>>> > QUESTION: Of those of you who don't use tofu

>>>> because of the phytic acid,

>>>> > what do you use for protein?

>>>> >

>>>> > Thanks,

>>>> >

>>>> > Rose

>>>> >

>>>

>>> Embrace this moment. Remember. we are eternal.

>>> all this pain is an illusion.

>>>

>>> __________________________________________________________

>>> Sponsored Link

>>>

>>> Mortgage rates near 39yr lows.

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>>>

November 16, 2006

What bravery! I love hearing stories like yours

because it gives me so much more confidence in my own

holistic approach towards living my life. It is

amazing how much younger you can feel when you cut out

the additives and unwholesomeness from your diet...

For a long time now I've known that non-organic cheese

isn't that healthy.. unfortunately it's always been

my #1 favorite food-the first favorite meal of mine I

can remember is macaroni & cheese.. because of the

cheese . So I casually brushed the growth-hormones

and stuff aside by convincing myself there must only

be such " trace " amounts of it that I'll be ok.. This

was my logic since organic cheese has been too

expensive the past few years.

And only a few days ago I was reading about the junk

that goes into non-organic dairies and something

clicked in my brain... Giving up my fav food was an

opportunity in a tragedy though because I have been

drinking whole organic milk. And tonight (as funny as

this must sound) I was literally blown away by the

flavor of it! It's funny because my whole life I

never liked the taste of milk so naturally when I

switched to organic my habit had stuck with me (I only

switched a few years back when I was 21 or so). But

it is so SWEET, I SWEAR it tastes like I'm drinking a

sugary vanilla flavored milk! I really don't think

it's a trick of the mind, but I really honestly do

taste a faint hint of vanilla in it! It tastes so

sweet like cream! I have never heard farmer

testimonials to fresh milk before, but tonight I was

raving about the taste of it and someone else said to

me a lot of farmers would agree with me on fresh

organic milk.

I have noticed such an incredible difference though.

I'm only 23 yet I felt as if I have pretty good

arthritis and my mood was constantly crashing on me to

horribly low levels. It's only been a few days off

the cheese but I am practically arthritis free and my

mood has been steadily climbing.

The sadness with the attitudes of many people is that

the little things you put into your body don't make a

difference, but they do.. Like me saying " what's a

little cheese here and there going to do to me? "

But I think you (Bonnie) were really sharp on your

decisions because a lot of the ills we face in such a

additive-stuffed, non-organic community often simply

just derive from the little things we do with our

body. I am positive that if I continued on I

eventually would have developed horrible arthritis and

suffered from low moods. Not a happy existence!

Peace, Zia

> Would you believe there is plenty of protein in

> whole grains, legumes and even veggies and sprouts!

> Not only that, it is in a form that the body can

> easily digest and it won't pull calcium from your

> bones to regulate your blood ph since veggies come

> with calcium and other minerals needed and animal

> protein does not. That's why Americans have a big

> problem with osteoporosis. They eat too much animal

> protein! I have a history of osteoporosis in my

> family and I'm also only 5'1 " and was eating a lot

> of meat and dairy some years back (up until I

> changed my diet 8 years ago). After a bone scan at

> age 56 it was discovered that I had osteopenia in

> the upper portion of my body and the doctor wanted

> to put me on some drug for it. Since I had just

> changed my diet and was reading a lot about

> nutrition, I refused and said I'd wait and see how

> things go after a year or two. He was not happy with

> me but agreed to let me try since " we caught it

> early! " The only change I made was I added

> weights to my arms while doing aerobics. I

> continued my new whole foods vegan diet and went to

> aerobics 3x a week plus started yoga. LOL! That was

> 7 years ago. I have no fear of ever getting

> osteoporosis! Just because there is a history of

> breast cancer and osteoporosis in my family doesn't

> mean I have to get it too! I don't need meds (that

> always have side effects), I just need to continue

> to eat nutritious meals, exercise and deal with

> stress via yoga and meditation. Not as easy as

> popping a pill, but a whole lot more enjoyable when

> I at 63 I feel 20 years younger and have no health

> problems. Bring on the sprouts! ;-)

>

> Bonnie

>

> Rose Lieberman <lapis@...> wrote:

> Oh, I'm so depressed.

> I looked up information on soy and phytic acid and I

> can't believe (well, I can, actually) that I'm

> eating the wrong thing.

>

> QUESTION: Of those of you who don't use tofu

> because of the phytic acid, what do you use for

> protein?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Rose

>

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