Re: Re: Gama Waves articles and info on the pRoshi

[Guest guest]

:

I think you may be referring to the

discussion forum moderated by my wife, Dr. Brown who held a faculty

position in Psychiatry at Stony

Brook University

and is published in cardviopsychophsyiology as well as Behavioral Medicine. She

has quite an interest in various approaches to healing – as do many

practitioners these days. You might want to contact her directly for further

information if you’re really interested in those topics.

But I’m unclear what that would have

to do with the use of 40 and 21 Hz in NF training – which we have been

actively doing for years now.

val

From: P. Dal

Cerro, Ph.D. [mailto:gauge2_99@...]

Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004

1:44 PM

Subject: Re: Gama

Waves articles and info on the pRoshi

Val:

Don't you also promote 'distance healing' on your

website?

SDC

>

> We train with 40 Hz bilaterally all the time

and have done so for

> the last nine years.

>

> The other point that was interesting in the

original Lehmann

article

> was his reference to 21 Hz as a separable

factor

> that " counterbalances " the effect

of 40 Hz training. Sue and I

> first identified the use of 21 Hz in NF and

have been using it

since

> we first worked together.

>

> We have these two targeting pairs always

working concurrently in

our

> way of providing NF training. Being

comprehensive and adaptive in

> the way we work makes the overall task of

providing useful NF far,

> far easier -- and more fun!

>

> I don't use the A1, however, NeuroCARE Pro

will support the use of

> ProComp, Nexis and presently the BrainMaster

(if the validation

> tests continue to support its frequency

response).

>

> val

>

> > Adding to this, in a post to the

biofeedback group ,Val

Brown

> said the following about the pRoshi:

> >

> > " I do understand that you believe

that pumping in a 40 Hz signal

> at

> > 90 degress out of phase will stabilize

the CNS. I remember the

> > conversation that you and I had about

that at an iSNR conference

a

> > very long time ago. But what I'm

wondering is how do you respond

> to

> > the idea and concern that precisely

because you are NOT tracking

> the

> > EEG there really is no way to know how

an individual is being

> > affected by pROSHI until after the

effect has occurred? "

> >

> > It looks like 40hz is the wave dujour.

> >

> > Is anyone training the 40hz range with

an A1 ? If so, how good

are

> you finding it with this higher waves ?

> >

> > Ulisses

[Guest guest]

Bruce, et.al,

There is an interesting book by D. Traub, G.R. Jefferys, and miles A. Whittington called Fast Oscillations in Cortical Circuits. THis book was one I used in my research working with Auditory Processing and elements of AD/HD. I have used Val's work since he did the 5 Phase model and he deliberately set the work up so that a fractionation of SMR/Beta was coupled with Gamma 38-42 Hz.

It is part of the professional version of NCP and is built into the Comprehensive screens. I have had incredible results with Gamma and have truly been using it for the past 7-8 years.

I know Val is not able to receive email from this list serve anymore but If there is a question about the 21 Hz and 40 Hz work – and when he began using it etc. – some may want to consider looking for the iSNR and FutureHealth presentations he did in 2000. I can even forward a PowerPoint to those who might be interested. He really has been ahead of his time in many areas even though many others shoot him down quickly.

By the way I have had some success using the Brainmaster and creating these Gamma screens with Tom's help.

Best Regards,

Lise'

Lise' D. DeLong, Ph.D., CPCRT

NeuroCognitive Specialist

3100 Meridian Park, Suite # 160

Greenwood, IN 46142

www.DrLDeLong.com

DrLDeLong@...

(317) 258-7444

(317) 889-7069 Fax

[Guest guest]

Val,

Can you work on the new EEG pendant from Pocket Neurobics to have your NCPro

run on it? I am sure Bruce would be happy to supply you with one, if you

wanted to do it.

Mark Berman, Psy.D.

Re: Gama Waves articles and info on the pRoshi

>

>

> Val:

>

> Don't you also promote 'distance healing' on your website?

>

> SDC

>

>

>>

>> We train with 40 Hz bilaterally all the time and have done so for

>> the last nine years.

>>

>> The other point that was interesting in the original Lehmann

> article

>> was his reference to 21 Hz as a separable factor

>> that " counterbalances " the effect of 40 Hz training. Sue and I

>> first identified the use of 21 Hz in NF and have been using it

> since

>> we first worked together.

>>

>> We have these two targeting pairs always working concurrently in

> our

>> way of providing NF training. Being comprehensive and adaptive in

>> the way we work makes the overall task of providing useful NF far,

>> far easier -- and more fun!

>>

>> I don't use the A1, however, NeuroCARE Pro will support the use of

>> ProComp, Nexis and presently the BrainMaster (if the validation

>> tests continue to support its frequency response).

>>

>> val

>>

>> > Adding to this, in a post to the biofeedback group ,Val

> Brown

>> said the following about the pRoshi:

>> >

>> > " I do understand that you believe that pumping in a 40 Hz signal

>> at

>> > 90 degress out of phase will stabilize the CNS. I remember the

>> > conversation that you and I had about that at an iSNR conference

> a

>> > very long time ago. But what I'm wondering is how do you respond

>> to

>> > the idea and concern that precisely because you are NOT tracking

>> the

>> > EEG there really is no way to know how an individual is being

>> > affected by pROSHI until after the effect has occurred? "

>> >

>> > It looks like 40hz is the wave dujour.

>> >

>> > Is anyone training the 40hz range with an A1 ? If so, how good

> are

>> you finding it with this higher waves ?

>> >

>> > Ulisses

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Val,

To expedite matters, can you ask Bruce again for the pendant -

Since it is a brand new product there has been a strong demand but I know

that he will respond.

Thank You

Mark Berman, Psy.D.

I am still waiting to receive an updated pendant from Bruce for

> testing and validation. Once I receive it, and can validate the

> frequency response and training value of the device, I'll release

> the interface -- if all goes as expected.

>

>