RE: Questions about alpha/theta

[Guest guest]

Hey Jo

I don’t believe any of the thresholds

in Pete’s BioExp protocol are set to inhibit, but rather to inform, and

6-8 seems to be the crossover state.

You raise an interesting question in my

mind though. And since I don’t know a lot about Penniston, and haven’t

used it much myself, I may be wrong when I say I “believe” that the

idea is to keep the client in the crossover state, encouraging receptivity to

suggestion, but also allowing other things (perhaps unresolved trauma) to

surface. Those out there that know A/T well may give me some advice on

this, but my understanding was that A/T is a two way street. Good stuff

in / garbage-unnecessary stuff out.

I’ve used hypnotherapy for years, and

at least in my training, psychological material was better worked

with using light to medium trance, and deep trance for some, but primarily surgical/obstetrical

procedures, etc. Very few individuals I worked with wanted amnesia, or

anesthesia. One of the problems with hypnosis was that in that state clients

often do not respond without questioning, and a hypnotherapist has always to be

on their toes to be careful not to “suggest” the answers to the

client. Many years ago in Europe there was some practice of placing “mental”

patients in trance for very extended periods of time, and many of them were “cured”

without conversation or medication.

I’m wondering from those who use A/T.

1) Is it in fact a 2 way street, or just a suggestible state which can be

duplicated with “regular” hypnosis, and 2) is there belief that

just being there for that long, in that many sessions that causes the “healing”.

Thanks everyone

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[Guest guest]

Yes, , you are right.

The design does not inhibit anything.

But there is no reward sound for 2-5 Hz.

What does it mean?

We don’t increase or inhibit, just watch it?

Jo

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From: Key

[mailto:danielkey@...]

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003

8:52 PM

Subject: RE:

Questions about alpha/theta

Hey Jo

I don’t believe any of the thresholds in Pete’s

BioExp protocol are set to inhibit, but rather to inform, and 6-8 seems to be

the crossover state.

You raise an interesting question in my mind though.

And since I don’t know a lot about Penniston, and haven’t used it

much myself, I may be wrong when I say I “believe” that the idea is

to keep the client in the crossover state, encouraging receptivity to

suggestion, but also allowing other things (perhaps unresolved trauma) to

surface. Those out there that know A/T well may give me some advice on

this, but my understanding was that A/T is a two way street. Good stuff

in / garbage-unnecessary stuff out.

I’ve used hypnotherapy for years, and at least in my

training, psychological material was better worked with using light to medium

trance, and deep trance for some, but primarily surgical/obstetrical

procedures, etc. Very few individuals I worked with wanted amnesia, or

anesthesia. One of the problems with hypnosis was that in that state

clients often do not respond without questioning, and a hypnotherapist has

always to be on their toes to be careful not to “suggest” the

answers to the client. Many years ago in Europe there was some practice

of placing “mental” patients in trance for very extended periods of

time, and many of them were “cured” without conversation or

medication.

I’m wondering from those who use A/T. 1) Is it

in fact a 2 way street, or just a suggestible state which can be duplicated

with “regular” hypnosis, and 2) is there belief that just being

there for that long, in that many sessions that causes the

“healing”.

Thanks everyone

·

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[Guest guest]

Jo,

I'm working on revisions for all of the protocols and additions to the list as well. They will go out to all who have purchased the package for me.

I had trouble getting the 2-5 Hz sound to play rarely enough. I'm experimenting with the Standard Deviation object as a way of doing this now. This sound should only play rarely, if at all, when the activity in this band begins spiking. I finally just detached it from any MIDI objects but left the bar on the screen so I can watch it when working with a client.

Pete

RE: Questions about alpha/theta

Yes, , you are right.

The design does not inhibit anything.

But there is no reward sound for 2-5 Hz.

What does it mean?

We don’t increase or inhibit, just watch it?

Jo

[Guest guest]

What I do is wait until I see where the person's theta band is and then

connect the 2-5 hz object up to the midi object, during the session. I

set it to go on when the low theta is very big, like when the person is

going to sleep. It doesn't do much, just puts a kind of warble in the

sound of the midi for theta, but it changes the sound enough to alert

the brain, i think.

It's not hooked up by default, so you have to link it yourself, after

the start of the session.

On Dec 30, 2003, at 11:24 PM, Neurofeedback Japan wrote:

Yes, , you are right.

The design does not inhibit anything.

But there is no reward sound for 2-5 Hz.

What does it mean?

We don’t increase or inhibit, just watch it?

 

Jo

 

RE: Questions about alpha/theta

 

Hey Jo

 

I don’t believe any of the thresholds in Pete’s BioExp protocol are set

to inhibit, but rather to inform, and 6-8 seems to be the crossover

state. 

 

You raise an interesting question in my mind though.  And since I don’t

know a lot about Penniston, and haven’t used it much myself, I may be

wrong when I say I “believe” that the idea is to keep the client in the

crossover state, encouraging receptivity to suggestion, but also

allowing other things (perhaps unresolved trauma) to surface.  Those

out there that know A/T well may give me some advice on this, but my

understanding was that A/T is a two way street.  Good stuff in /

garbage-unnecessary stuff out. 

 

I’ve used hypnotherapy for years, and at least in my training,

psychological material was better worked with using light to medium

trance, and deep trance for some, but primarily surgical/obstetrical

procedures, etc.  Very few individuals I worked with wanted amnesia, or

anesthesia.  One of the problems with hypnosis was that in that state

clients often do not respond without questioning, and a hypnotherapist

has always to be on their toes to be careful not to “suggest” the

answers to the client.  Many years ago in Europe there was some

practice of placing “mental” patients in trance for very extended

periods of time, and many of them were “cured” without conversation or

medication. 

 

I’m wondering from those who use A/T.  1) Is it in fact a 2 way street,

or just a suggestible state which can be duplicated with “regular”

hypnosis, and 2) is there belief that just being there for that long,

in that many sessions that causes the “healing”.

 

Thanks everyone

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Pete,

Thank you for your reply.

What about the training site for A/T?

Isn’t it better to train at the dominant side?

Jo

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From: Van Deusen

[mailto:pvdtlc@...]

Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003

7:59 PM

Subject: Re:

Questions about alpha/theta

Jo,

I'm

working on revisions for all of the protocols and additions to the list as

well. They will go out to all who have purchased the package for me.

I had

trouble getting the 2-5 Hz sound to play rarely enough. I'm experimenting

with the Standard Deviation object as a way of doing this now. This sound

should only play rarely, if at all, when the activity in this band begins

spiking. I finally just detached it from any MIDI objects but left the bar on

the screen so I can watch it when working with a client.

Pete

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Original Message -----

From: Neurofeedback

Japan

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:24 PM

Subject: RE:

Questions about alpha/theta

Yes, , you are right.

The design does not inhibit anything.

But there is no reward sound for 2-5 Hz.

What does it mean?

We don’t increase or inhibit, just watch it?

Jo

[Guest guest]

Pete,

Thank you for your reply.

What about the training site for A/T?

Isn’t it better to train at the dominant side?

Jo

-----Original

Message-----

From: Van Deusen

[mailto:pvdtlc@...]

Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003

7:59 PM

Subject: Re:

Questions about alpha/theta

Jo,

I'm

working on revisions for all of the protocols and additions to the list as

well. They will go out to all who have purchased the package for me.

I had

trouble getting the 2-5 Hz sound to play rarely enough. I'm experimenting

with the Standard Deviation object as a way of doing this now. This sound

should only play rarely, if at all, when the activity in this band begins

spiking. I finally just detached it from any MIDI objects but left the bar on

the screen so I can watch it when working with a client.

Pete

-----

Original Message -----

From: Neurofeedback

Japan

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:24 PM

Subject: RE:

Questions about alpha/theta

Yes, , you are right.

The design does not inhibit anything.

But there is no reward sound for 2-5 Hz.

What does it mean?

We don’t increase or inhibit, just watch it?

Jo

[Guest guest]

,

That sounds good.

I will try it.

Thank you.

Jo

RE: Questions about alpha/theta

 

Hey Jo

 

I don’t believe any of the thresholds in Pete’s BioExp protocol are set

to inhibit, but rather to inform, and 6-8 seems to be the crossover

state. 

 

You raise an interesting question in my mind though.  And since I don’t

know a lot about Penniston, and haven’t used it much myself, I may be

wrong when I say I “believe” that the idea is to keep the client in the

crossover state, encouraging receptivity to suggestion, but also

allowing other things (perhaps unresolved trauma) to surface.  Those

out there that know A/T well may give me some advice on this, but my

understanding was that A/T is a two way street.  Good stuff in /

garbage-unnecessary stuff out. 

 

I’ve used hypnotherapy for years, and at least in my training,

psychological material was better worked with using light to medium

trance, and deep trance for some, but primarily surgical/obstetrical

procedures, etc.  Very few individuals I worked with wanted amnesia, or

anesthesia.  One of the problems with hypnosis was that in that state

clients often do not respond without questioning, and a hypnotherapist

has always to be on their toes to be careful not to “suggest” the

answers to the client.  Many years ago in Europe there was some

practice of placing “mental” patients in trance for very extended

periods of time, and many of them were “cured” without conversation or

medication. 

 

I’m wondering from those who use A/T.  1) Is it in fact a 2 way street,

or just a suggestible state which can be duplicated with “regular”

hypnosis, and 2) is there belief that just being there for that long,

in that many sessions that causes the “healing”.

 

Thanks everyone

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Jo,

Usually A/T is trained at P4/A2 or O1/A1. I don't know of any rationale for training it with any relation to dominance.

Pete

RE: Questions about alpha/theta

Pete,

Thank you for your reply.

What about the training site for A/T?

Isn’t it better to train at the dominant side?

Jo