Re: Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist

[Guest guest]

Below is contact information for the Judge in the case. Does anyone know the etiquette for this kind of thing. Do we all send letters saying that Frist is a bad man?? Or that we sympathize with the feeling of wanting to do him harm?

Or just that we all believe our children have been affected and that Frist should be ashamed?

Jenn Brown

www.naanj.org

M. Faith Angell, Chief Magistrate Judge

Room # 3030

United States District CourtEastern District of PennsylvaniaOffice of the Clerk of CourtU.S. Courthouse601 Market Street, Room 2609Philadelphia, PA 19106-1742

Phone: (215) 597-7704Fax: (215) 597-6390

MAGISTRATE JUDGE M. FAITH ANGELL

Magistrate Judge Angell is a graduate of Mount Holyoke College (A.B. 1959), Bryn

Mawr College (M.S.S. 1965) and Temple University School of Law (J.D. 1971). She began her

professional career as a social worker in child welfare, primarily in medical and community

organization settings. While attending evening law school, she worked as the Director of the

Social Service Department at Wills Eye Hospital and later as Chief Social Worker for the newlycreated

Family Court Division of the Defender Association of Philadelphia.

In 1971, Judge Angell was appointed as an Assistant District Attorney for the City of

Philadelphia. In 1972, she was appointed as an Assistant Attorney General and, in 1974, as a

Deputy Attorney General and Chief of the Division of Civil Litigation for the Eastern Regional

Office of the Pennsylvania Department of Justice. In 1978, Judge Angell joined the Interstate

Commerce Commission as Regional Counsel. In 1980, she became Regional Director and a

member of the United States Senior Executive Service. In 1988, Judge Angell was appointed as

an Administrative Law Judge in the Office of Hearings and Appeals of the Social Security

Administration. From 1973 to 1994, she served as an Adjunct Professor and taught in the

clinical program at Temple University School of Law.

On May 14, 1990, Judge Angell was appointed as a United States Magistrate Judge of the

United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania. She was reappointed in

May 1998.

Judge Angell is a former President of the Philadelphia Chapter of the Federal Bar

Association and Master in the Temple American Inn of Court. She served as Co-Chair of the

Commission on Gender of the Third Circuit Task Force on Equal Treatment in the Courts.

[Guest guest]

I hope that everyone on this list will condemn the Bensalem man's

actions. Our children need and deserve advocates who garner respect

for their cause. Not to mention that such threats are morally from

the " Dark Side. "

>

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jersey/11750

> 541.htm

>

> Posted on Fri, May. 27, 2005

>

>

>

>

>

> Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist

>

>

> A 39-year-old Bucks County man was charged yesterday with

> threatening to kill U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist.

>

> Brett Sonenstein of Bensalem, who has no criminal record,

is

> accused of making two threatening phone calls to the Tennessee

> Republican's office on March 7. Authorities allege that Sonenstein

> threatened Frist because he thought the senator was protecting

drug

> companies that are allegedly developing vaccines that contain

> mercury.

>

> U.S. Magistrate Judge M. Faith Angell ordered Sonenstein detained

> under further proceedings. Federal guidelines call for a sentence

of

> 33 to 41 months if Sonenstein is convicted.

[Guest guest]

Totally agreed - AND the last thing that we need is for the

pro-poison side to start claiming martyrdom. We had an IOM

VSR Committee member trumpeting his endurance of " death

threats " last fall and it added furor to his argument that

we were all whackos.

---- Original message ----

>Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:57:58 -0000

>From: " " <david@...>

>Subject: Re: Bensalem man is charged with

threatening Frist

>EOHarm

>

> I hope that everyone on this list will condemn the

> Bensalem man's

> actions. Our children need and deserve advocates who

> garner respect

> for their cause. Not to mention that such threats

> are morally from

> the " Dark Side. "

>

>

>

>

> >

>

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jers

ey/11750

> > 541.htm

> >

> > Posted on Fri, May. 27, 2005

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist

> >

> >

> > A 39-year-old Bucks County man was charged

> yesterday with

> > threatening to kill U.S. Senate Majority Leader

> Bill Frist.

> >

> > Brett Sonenstein of Bensalem, who has no

> criminal record,

> is

> > accused of making two threatening phone calls to

> the Tennessee

> > Republican's office on March 7. Authorities allege

> that Sonenstein

> > threatened Frist because he thought the senator

> was protecting

> drug

> > companies that are allegedly developing vaccines

> that contain

> > mercury.

> >

> > U.S. Magistrate Judge M. Faith Angell ordered

> Sonenstein detained

> > under further proceedings. Federal guidelines call

> for a sentence

> of

> > 33 to 41 months if Sonenstein is convicted.

>

> ----------------------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

We all distance ourselves from anyone who would commit such

an act. Then, we all ask Frist to consider the hardship

that families of thimerosal-injured children endure.

Believe me, we earn NO POINTS for vilifying Frist. I

personally can't stand the man but collectively we need to

come across as wanting to consider ALL the evidence, not

what he is being spoonfed by the pharma industry...

---- Original message ----

>Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:46:03 -0400

>From: " E. Brown " <kycokafarm@...>

>Subject: RE: Bensalem man is charged with

threatening Frist

><EOHarm >

>

> Below is contact information for the Judge in the

> case. Does anyone know the etiquette for this kind

> of thing. Do we all send letters saying that Frist

> is a bad man?? Or that we sympathize with the

> feeling of wanting to do him harm?

> Or just that we all believe our children have been

> affected and that Frist should be ashamed?

>

> Jenn Brown

> www.naanj.org

>

>

>

> M. Faith Angell, Chief Magistrate Judge

>

> Room # 3030

> United States District Court

> Eastern District of Pennsylvania

> Office of the Clerk of Court

> U.S. Courthouse

> 601 Market Street, Room 2609

> Philadelphia, PA 19106-1742

> Phone: (215) 597-7704

> Fax: (215) 597-6390

>

>

> MAGISTRATE JUDGE M. FAITH ANGELL

>

> Magistrate Judge Angell is a graduate of Mount

> Holyoke College (A.B. 1959), Bryn

>

> Mawr College (M.S.S. 1965) and Temple University

> School of Law (J.D. 1971). She began her

>

> professional career as a social worker in child

> welfare, primarily in medical and community

>

> organization settings. While attending evening law

> school, she worked as the Director of the

>

> Social Service Department at Wills Eye Hospital and

> later as Chief Social Worker for the newlycreated

>

> Family Court Division of the Defender Association of

> Philadelphia.

>

> In 1971, Judge Angell was appointed as an Assistant

> District Attorney for the City of

>

> Philadelphia. In 1972, she was appointed as an

> Assistant Attorney General and, in 1974, as a

>

> Deputy Attorney General and Chief of the Division of

> Civil Litigation for the Eastern Regional

>

> Office of the Pennsylvania Department of Justice. In

> 1978, Judge Angell joined the Interstate

>

> Commerce Commission as Regional Counsel. In 1980,

> she became Regional Director and a

>

> member of the United States Senior Executive

> Service. In 1988, Judge Angell was appointed as

>

> an Administrative Law Judge in the Office of

> Hearings and Appeals of the Social Security

>

> Administration. From 1973 to 1994, she served as an

> Adjunct Professor and taught in the

>

> clinical program at Temple University School of Law.

>

> On May 14, 1990, Judge Angell was appointed as a

> United States Magistrate Judge of the

>

> United States District Court for the Eastern

> District of Pennsylvania. She was reappointed in

>

> May 1998.

>

> Judge Angell is a former President of the

> Philadelphia Chapter of the Federal Bar

>

> Association and Master in the Temple American Inn of

> Court. She served as Co-Chair of the

>

> Commission on Gender of the Third Circuit Task Force

> on Equal Treatment in the Courts.

>

> ----------------------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I totally agree - I am not suggesting that what he allegedly did is ok - by any stretch. I am also upset by how this sets us back - in terms of credibility etc.

I do think it would be a good idea to let the judge know the whole issue... How do we turn this around and make it a positive?

who is going to care for his mercury poisoned child when he is in prison?Jenn

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of brian@...Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:21 AMEOHarm Subject: RE: Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist

We all distance ourselves from anyone who would commit such an act. Then, we all ask Frist to consider the hardship that families of thimerosal-injured children endure.Believe me, we earn NO POINTS for vilifying Frist. I personally can't stand the man but collectively we need to come across as wanting to consider ALL the evidence, not what he is being spoonfed by the pharma industry...---- Original message ---->Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:46:03 -0400>From: "E. Brown" <kycokafarm@...> >Subject: RE: Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist ><EOHarm >>> Below is contact information for the Judge in the> case. Does anyone know the etiquette for this kind> of thing. Do we all send letters saying that Frist> is a bad man?? Or that we sympathize with the> feeling of wanting to do him harm? > Or just that we all believe our children have been> affected and that Frist should be ashamed?> > Jenn Brown> www.naanj.org> > >> M. Faith Angell, Chief Magistrate Judge >> Room # 3030> United States District Court> Eastern District of Pennsylvania> Office of the Clerk of Court> U.S. Courthouse> 601 Market Street, Room 2609> Philadelphia, PA 19106-1742> Phone: (215) 597-7704> Fax: (215) 597-6390> >> MAGISTRATE JUDGE M. FAITH ANGELL>> Magistrate Judge Angell is a graduate of Mount> Holyoke College (A.B. 1959), Bryn>> Mawr College (M.S.S. 1965) and Temple University> School of Law (J.D. 1971). She began her>> professional career as a social worker in child> welfare, primarily in medical and community>> organization settings. While attending evening law> school, she worked as the Director of the>> Social Service Department at Wills Eye Hospital and> later as Chief Social Worker for the newlycreated>> Family Court Division of the Defender Association of> Philadelphia.>> In 1971, Judge Angell was appointed as an Assistant> District Attorney for the City of>> Philadelphia. In 1972, she was appointed as an> Assistant Attorney General and, in 1974, as a>> Deputy Attorney General and Chief of the Division of> Civil Litigation for the Eastern Regional>> Office of the Pennsylvania Department of Justice. In> 1978, Judge Angell joined the Interstate>> Commerce Commission as Regional Counsel. In 1980,> she became Regional Director and a>> member of the United States Senior Executive> Service. In 1988, Judge Angell was appointed as>> an Administrative Law Judge in the Office of> Hearings and Appeals of the Social Security>> Administration. From 1973 to 1994, she served as an> Adjunct Professor and taught in the>> clinical program at Temple University School of Law.>> On May 14, 1990, Judge Angell was appointed as a> United States Magistrate Judge of the>> United States District Court for the Eastern> District of Pennsylvania. She was reappointed in>> May 1998.>> Judge Angell is a former President of the> Philadelphia Chapter of the Federal Bar>> Association and Master in the Temple American Inn of> Court. She served as Co-Chair of the>> Commission on Gender of the Third Circuit Task Force> on Equal Treatment in the Courts.>> ---------------------------------------------------->>

[Guest guest]

No, this is definitely not the way to go.

Frist would love nothing more than to be able to label us all as a bunch of violent, crazed parents. This kind of behavior cannot be condoned.

RE: Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist

Below is contact information for the Judge in the case. Does anyone know the etiquette for this kind of thing. Do we all send letters saying that Frist is a bad man?? Or that we sympathize with the feeling of wanting to do him harm?

Or just that we all believe our children have been affected and that Frist should be ashamed?

Jenn Brown

www.naanj.org

[Guest guest]

Jenn--thank you for this background and contact info for the judge.

My gut reaction is for us to stay totally out of this. It is now a

matter for the legal system. We do not want to be associated in any

way with this incident or this person. Talk about giving ammunition,

aid and comfort to the enemy ....

> Below is contact information for the Judge in the case. Does

anyone know

> the etiquette for this kind of thing. Do we all send letters

saying that

> Frist is a bad man?? Or that we sympathize with the feeling of

wanting to

> do him harm?

> Or just that we all believe our children have been affected and

that Frist

> should be ashamed?

>

> Jenn Brown

> www.naanj.org

>

>

> M. Faith Angell, Chief Magistrate Judge

> Room # 3030

> United States District Court

> Eastern District of Pennsylvania

> Office of the Clerk of Court

> U.S. Courthouse

> 601 Market Street, Room 2609

> Philadelphia, PA 19106-1742

> Phone: (215) 597-7704

> Fax: (215) 597-6390

>

> MAGISTRATE JUDGE M. FAITH ANGELL

>

> Magistrate Judge Angell is a graduate of Mount Holyoke College

(A.B. 1959),

> Bryn

>

> Mawr College (M.S.S. 1965) and Temple University School of Law

(J.D. 1971).

> She began her

>

> professional career as a social worker in child welfare, primarily

in

> medical and community

>

> organization settings. While attending evening law school, she

worked as the

> Director of the

>

> Social Service Department at Wills Eye Hospital and later as Chief

Social

> Worker for the newlycreated

>

> Family Court Division of the Defender Association of Philadelphia.

>

> In 1971, Judge Angell was appointed as an Assistant District

Attorney for

> the City of

>

> Philadelphia. In 1972, she was appointed as an Assistant Attorney

General

> and, in 1974, as a

>

> Deputy Attorney General and Chief of the Division of Civil

Litigation for

> the Eastern Regional

>

> Office of the Pennsylvania Department of Justice. In 1978, Judge

Angell

> joined the Interstate

>

> Commerce Commission as Regional Counsel. In 1980, she became

Regional

> Director and a

>

> member of the United States Senior Executive Service. In 1988,

Judge Angell

> was appointed as

>

> an Administrative Law Judge in the Office of Hearings and Appeals

of the

> Social Security

>

> Administration. From 1973 to 1994, she served as an Adjunct

Professor and

> taught in the

>

> clinical program at Temple University School of Law.

>

> On May 14, 1990, Judge Angell was appointed as a United States

Magistrate

> Judge of the

>

> United States District Court for the Eastern District of

Pennsylvania. She

> was reappointed in

>

> May 1998.

>

> Judge Angell is a former President of the Philadelphia Chapter of

the

> Federal Bar

>

> Association and Master in the Temple American Inn of Court. She

served as

> Co-Chair of the

>

> Commission on Gender of the Third Circuit Task Force on Equal

Treatment in

> the Courts.

[Guest guest]

The only positive is to tell the truth: As responsible, caring

parents of children, we abhor violence and threats of violence.

Senator Bill Frist is an honorable man who is attempting to act in

the best interests of his country. We support his attempts to

strengthen our national security. At the same time we also oppose

any legislation that disenfranchcises our thimerosal-damaged

children. As Americans committed to democracy, we will work

productively with those who agree and disagree with us to affect

positive change for our children today and in the future.

> I totally agree - I am not suggesting that what he allegedly did

is ok - by

> any stretch. I am also upset by how this sets us back - in terms

of

> credibility etc.

>

> I do think it would be a good idea to let the judge know the whole

issue...

> How do we turn this around and make it a positive?

>

> who is going to care for his mercury poisoned child when he is in

prison?

>

> Jenn

>

> _____

>

> From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On

Behalf Of

> brian@d...

> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:21 AM

> EOHarm

> Subject: RE: Bensalem man is charged with threatening

Frist

>

>

> We all distance ourselves from anyone who would commit such

> an act. Then, we all ask Frist to consider the hardship

> that families of thimerosal-injured children endure.

>

> Believe me, we earn NO POINTS for vilifying Frist. I

> personally can't stand the man but collectively we need to

> come across as wanting to consider ALL the evidence, not

> what he is being spoonfed by the pharma industry...

>

>

>

> ---- Original message ----

> >Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:46:03 -0400

> >From: " E. Brown " <kycokafarm@c...>

> >Subject: RE: Bensalem man is charged with

> threatening Frist

> ><EOHarm >

> >

> > Below is contact information for the Judge in the

> > case. Does anyone know the etiquette for this kind

> > of thing. Do we all send letters saying that Frist

> > is a bad man?? Or that we sympathize with the

> > feeling of wanting to do him harm?

> > Or just that we all believe our children have been

> > affected and that Frist should be ashamed?

> >

> > Jenn Brown

> > www.naanj.org

> >

> >

> >

> > M. Faith Angell, Chief Magistrate Judge

> >

> > Room # 3030

> > United States District Court

> > Eastern District of Pennsylvania

> > Office of the Clerk of Court

> > U.S. Courthouse

> > 601 Market Street, Room 2609

> > Philadelphia, PA 19106-1742

> > Phone: (215) 597-7704

> > Fax: (215) 597-6390

> >

> >

> > MAGISTRATE JUDGE M. FAITH ANGELL

> >

> > Magistrate Judge Angell is a graduate of Mount

> > Holyoke College (A.B. 1959), Bryn

> >

> > Mawr College (M.S.S. 1965) and Temple University

> > School of Law (J.D. 1971). She began her

> >

> > professional career as a social worker in child

> > welfare, primarily in medical and community

> >

> > organization settings. While attending evening law

> > school, she worked as the Director of the

> >

> > Social Service Department at Wills Eye Hospital and

> > later as Chief Social Worker for the newlycreated

> >

> > Family Court Division of the Defender Association of

> > Philadelphia.

> >

> > In 1971, Judge Angell was appointed as an Assistant

> > District Attorney for the City of

> >

> > Philadelphia. In 1972, she was appointed as an

> > Assistant Attorney General and, in 1974, as a

> >

> > Deputy Attorney General and Chief of the Division of

> > Civil Litigation for the Eastern Regional

> >

> > Office of the Pennsylvania Department of Justice. In

> > 1978, Judge Angell joined the Interstate

> >

> > Commerce Commission as Regional Counsel. In 1980,

> > she became Regional Director and a

> >

> > member of the United States Senior Executive

> > Service. In 1988, Judge Angell was appointed as

> >

> > an Administrative Law Judge in the Office of

> > Hearings and Appeals of the Social Security

> >

> > Administration. From 1973 to 1994, she served as an

> > Adjunct Professor and taught in the

> >

> > clinical program at Temple University School of Law.

> >

> > On May 14, 1990, Judge Angell was appointed as a

> > United States Magistrate Judge of the

> >

> > United States District Court for the Eastern

> > District of Pennsylvania. She was reappointed in

> >

> > May 1998.

> >

> > Judge Angell is a former President of the

> > Philadelphia Chapter of the Federal Bar

> >

> > Association and Master in the Temple American Inn of

> > Court. She served as Co-Chair of the

> >

> > Commission on Gender of the Third Circuit Task Force

> > on Equal Treatment in the Courts.

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes...and this is an example of how parents need support to deal

with the emotional rollercoaster ride of all of this....

In EOHarm , <brian@d...> wrote:

> Totally agreed - AND the last thing that we need is for the

> pro-poison side to start claiming martyrdom. We had an IOM

> VSR Committee member trumpeting his endurance of " death

> threats " last fall and it added furor to his argument that

> we were all whackos.

>

>

>

> ---- Original message ----

> >Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:57:58 -0000

> >From: " " <david@p...>

> >Subject: Re: Bensalem man is charged with

> threatening Frist

> >EOHarm

> >

> > I hope that everyone on this list will condemn the

> > Bensalem man's

> > actions. Our children need and deserve advocates who

> > garner respect

> > for their cause. Not to mention that such threats

> > are morally from

> > the " Dark Side. "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

> http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jers

> ey/11750

> > > 541.htm

> > >

> > > Posted on Fri, May. 27, 2005

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist

> > >

> > >

> > > A 39-year-old Bucks County man was charged

> > yesterday with

> > > threatening to kill U.S. Senate Majority Leader

> > Bill Frist.

> > >

> > > Brett Sonenstein of Bensalem, who has no

> > criminal record,

> > is

> > > accused of making two threatening phone calls to

> > the Tennessee

> > > Republican's office on March 7. Authorities allege

> > that Sonenstein

> > > threatened Frist because he thought the senator

> > was protecting

> > drug

> > > companies that are allegedly developing vaccines

> > that contain

> > > mercury.

> > >

> > > U.S. Magistrate Judge M. Faith Angell ordered

> > Sonenstein detained

> > > under further proceedings. Federal guidelines call

> > for a sentence

> > of

> > > 33 to 41 months if Sonenstein is convicted.

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm a bit curious as to why this wasn't covered in the DC area or

elsewhere? Could be they do not want this bad publicity on their

side or that it is their foot in the door for

future " crazy/dangerous parents " charges?

In EOHarm , " redhead60707 " <redhead60707@y...> wrote:

> Yes...and this is an example of how parents need support to deal

> with the emotional rollercoaster ride of all of this....

>

>

> In EOHarm , <brian@d...> wrote:

> > Totally agreed - AND the last thing that we need is for the

> > pro-poison side to start claiming martyrdom. We had an IOM

> > VSR Committee member trumpeting his endurance of " death

> > threats " last fall and it added furor to his argument that

> > we were all whackos.

> >

> >

> >

> > ---- Original message ----

> > >Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:57:58 -0000

> > >From: " " <david@p...>

> > >Subject: Re: Bensalem man is charged with

> > threatening Frist

> > >EOHarm

> > >

> > > I hope that everyone on this list will condemn the

> > > Bensalem man's

> > > actions. Our children need and deserve advocates who

> > > garner respect

> > > for their cause. Not to mention that such threats

> > > are morally from

> > > the " Dark Side. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jers

> > ey/11750

> > > > 541.htm

> > > >

> > > > Posted on Fri, May. 27, 2005

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A 39-year-old Bucks County man was charged

> > > yesterday with

> > > > threatening to kill U.S. Senate Majority Leader

> > > Bill Frist.

> > > >

> > > > Brett Sonenstein of Bensalem, who has no

> > > criminal record,

> > > is

> > > > accused of making two threatening phone calls to

> > > the Tennessee

> > > > Republican's office on March 7. Authorities allege

> > > that Sonenstein

> > > > threatened Frist because he thought the senator

> > > was protecting

> > > drug

> > > > companies that are allegedly developing vaccines

> > > that contain

> > > > mercury.

> > > >

> > > > U.S. Magistrate Judge M. Faith Angell ordered

> > > Sonenstein detained

> > > > under further proceedings. Federal guidelines call

> > > for a sentence

> > > of

> > > > 33 to 41 months if Sonenstein is convicted.

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Karl Rove? Frist is losing his power, big time. I wonder exactly how many death threats American leaders get each day? I guess Frist needed to be the victim to try and deflate the momentum we've recently gained in the Senate. According to Senator Kerry one of the judicial nominees was a ringer for the appeals court where cases involving Thimerosal might go on appeal. Frist NEEDS that appointment to go through. He NEEDS it bad!

Those fourteen Republican and Democratic Senators are a serious threat to Frist's political life. There was a lot more to what McCain did to bring these Senators together. Pharma has left a bitter taste in Good 's mouth. He said so on Imus. ("the dogs bark, but the caravan moves on" episode)((you folks really should consider taping Don's show each morning on MSNBC))

I have sent a scathing letter to one Senator concerning Frist's lack of ethics and his glaring conflict of interests on the Thimerosal issue. For what it's worth I requested that the Senate take a hard look at Frist. His family fortune is Columbia HCA/HCI. They were notorious for injecting new-born infants with Hep B at birth. The policy appeared to be a sort of "you want a Hep B shot to go with that birth" marketing ploy.

This is a vaccine that even Offit seems to have stepped back from the looks of a Newsday article entitled "Inoculating against fear".

To quote:

"I think you should be skeptical of anything you put in your body," said Dr. Offit, author of "Vaccines: What Every Parent Should Know" (Wiley, $14.95).

http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-hscov4176181mar15,0,7901257,print.story?coll=ny-health-big-pix

I think everyone could at least log on to the Senate with a similar complaint.

Remember the destruction of former majority leader Senator Trent Lott was formulated by Republicans, and not Democrats. The Eli Lilly "midnight rider" on HSA hinged on pulling down Lott from power. Did it not?

Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jersey/11750541.htmPosted on Fri, May. 27, 2005 Bensalem man is charged with threatening FristA 39-year-old Bucks County man was charged yesterday with threatening to kill U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist.Brett Sonenstein of Bensalem, who has no criminal record, is accused of making two threatening phone calls to the Tennessee Republican's office on March 7. Authorities allege that Sonenstein threatened Frist because he thought the senator was protecting drug companies that are allegedly developing vaccines that contain mercury.U.S. Magistrate Judge M. Faith Angell ordered Sonenstein detained under further proceedings. Federal guidelines call for a sentence of 33 to 41 months if Sonenstein is convicted.

[Guest guest]

Let's not rush to judge here. We don't know the details. We all get hot and bothered and we all love our children.

Personally, I've seen something much like this before in politics from time to time.

I'm surprised it was a male and not a female.

I can not prevent the birds from flying around in the air, but I certainly can prevent them from nesting in my hair. - Luther

Re: Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist

I hope that everyone on this list will condemn the Bensalem man's actions. Our children need and deserve advocates who garner respect for their cause. Not to mention that such threats are morally from the "Dark Side." > http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jersey/11750> 541.htm> > Posted on Fri, May. 27, 2005 > > > > > > Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist> > > A 39-year-old Bucks County man was charged yesterday with > threatening to kill U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist.> > Brett Sonenstein of Bensalem, who has no criminal record, is > accused of making two threatening phone calls to the Tennessee > Republican's office on March 7. Authorities allege that Sonenstein > threatened Frist because he thought the senator was protecting drug > companies that are allegedly developing vaccines that contain > mercury.> > U.S. Magistrate Judge M. Faith Angell ordered Sonenstein detained > under further proceedings. Federal guidelines call for a sentence of > 33 to 41 months if Sonenstein is convicted.

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Sticks and stone may break our bones, but names can get your a-- kicked.

If something like this did happen it sure would solve Frist's back-sliding in the Senate, but then again he'd be dead and treading flames in the lake of fire.

More than likely this is a Karl Rove tactic. Once again Frist has been the victim or hero. I don't know the exact numbers, but victimization always has a positive effect in the polls.

Remember that Imus only became involved in the issue after he read a Newsweek article about Bob 's grand-child. Imus was slammed by the WSJ editorial staff, which has strong ties to Frist, and Newsweek got turkey-ed by the White House over the holy book in toilet monkey business..

Turns out that Newsweek was backed-up sort of in a way by FBI on the Koran in the toilet story. But do we really know who set off the disturbance in Pakistan or even if it's related to Newsweek at all?

Kind of like that video of nondescript Asian men wrangling chickens because of "bird flu". Did NBC video them? Or did WHO mail it to them?

Re: Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist >EOHarm >> I hope that everyone on this list will condemn the> Bensalem man's> actions. Our children need and deserve advocates who> garner respect> for their cause. Not to mention that such threats> are morally from> the "Dark Side.">> >> > >> http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jersey/11750> > 541.htm> >> > Posted on Fri, May. 27, 2005> > > > > > > >> >> > Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist> >> >> > A 39-year-old Bucks County man was charged> yesterday with> > threatening to kill U.S. Senate Majority Leader> Bill Frist.> >> > Brett Sonenstein of Bensalem, who has no> criminal record,> is> > accused of making two threatening phone calls to> the Tennessee> > Republican's office on March 7. Authorities allege> that Sonenstein> > threatened Frist because he thought the senator> was protecting> drug> > companies that are allegedly developing vaccines> that contain> > mercury.> >> > U.S. Magistrate Judge M. Faith Angell ordered> Sonenstein detained> > under further proceedings. Federal guidelines call> for a sentence> of> > 33 to 41 months if Sonenstein is convicted.>> ---------------------------------------------------->>

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I'm interested to know what, exactly, you think it is that I/we are

rushing to judge?

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> > Brett Sonenstein of Bensalem, who has no criminal

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> > accused of making two threatening phone calls to the Tennessee

> > Republican's office on March 7. Authorities allege that

Sonenstein

> > threatened Frist because he thought the senator was protecting

> drug

> > companies that are allegedly developing vaccines that contain

> > mercury.

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> > U.S. Magistrate Judge M. Faith Angell ordered Sonenstein

detained

> > under further proceedings. Federal guidelines call for a

sentence

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> > 33 to 41 months if Sonenstein is convicted.

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ROTFLOL. That's what it's all about. I have a friend that worked on a naval vessel. He was privy to intelligence reports. He said (not exaggerating plus just a day or two after September 11th) that the daily reports considered to be threatening to national security are "stacked" and then gone through. He made a size of about eight inches with his two hands.

What's to say? I do know that Frist was probably having a very bad day at the office. Until we have details what's to say that Frist wasn't baiting him on.

As a doctor, he was purported to work with the indigent, but some of his fellow doctors say that the only indigent people he saw were the ones he stepped over in the hospital hallways en route to his office up in the ivory tower.

Let's get over this. Do not let Frist and friends knock you off message. Right now it should be crystal clear that our message is getting through and let's pay attention to see if there is any sort of follow-up on this report. Tie a string around your finger if you need to, and stay on message. Frist is a big boy and he has plenty of beef with the big irons to back him up.

Stay on message. Letters to Lieberman and McCain. Also, thank Kerry for producing the revealing article about how we now understand that Frist and friends are trying to slip in a ringer judge or two favor the drug/vaccine market in the appellate courts.

STAY ON MESSAGE. And that message is also VSD. VSD. VSD. and also any investigation materials collected by the CDC.

1Thes 5:12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

I am also upset by how this sets us back - in terms of credibility etc.

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There are two sides to every story. I'll bet a shinny quarter that Frist baited the guy, or this was a staffer tip.

This could really back-fire on Frist. Big Time.

Check out Bush's Brain if you can.

Re: Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist

Jenn--thank you for this background and contact info for the judge. My gut reaction is for us to stay totally out of this. It is now a matter for the legal system. We do not want to be associated in any way with this incident or this person. Talk about giving ammunition, aid and comfort to the enemy ....> Below is contact information for the Judge in the case. Does anyone know> the etiquette for this kind of thing. Do we all send letters saying that> Frist is a bad man?? Or that we sympathize with the feeling of wanting to> do him harm? > Or just that we all believe our children have been affected and that Frist> should be ashamed?> > Jenn Brown> www.naanj.org> > > M. Faith Angell, Chief Magistrate Judge > Room # 3030> United States District Court> Eastern District of Pennsylvania> Office of the Clerk of Court> U.S. Courthouse> 601 Market Street, Room 2609> Philadelphia, PA 19106-1742> Phone: (215) 597-7704> Fax: (215) 597-6390> > MAGISTRATE JUDGE M. FAITH ANGELL> > Magistrate Judge Angell is a graduate of Mount Holyoke College (A.B. 1959),> Bryn> > Mawr College (M.S.S. 1965) and Temple University School of Law (J.D. 1971).> She began her> > professional career as a social worker in child welfare, primarily in> medical and community> > organization settings. While attending evening law school, she worked as the> Director of the> > Social Service Department at Wills Eye Hospital and later as Chief Social> Worker for the newlycreated> > Family Court Division of the Defender Association of Philadelphia.> > In 1971, Judge Angell was appointed as an Assistant District Attorney for> the City of> > Philadelphia. In 1972, she was appointed as an Assistant Attorney General> and, in 1974, as a> > Deputy Attorney General and Chief of the Division of Civil Litigation for> the Eastern Regional> > Office of the Pennsylvania Department of Justice. In 1978, Judge Angell> joined the Interstate> > Commerce Commission as Regional Counsel. In 1980, she became Regional> Director and a> > member of the United States Senior Executive Service. In 1988, Judge Angell> was appointed as> > an Administrative Law Judge in the Office of Hearings and Appeals of the> Social Security> > Administration. From 1973 to 1994, she served as an Adjunct Professor and> taught in the> > clinical program at Temple University School of Law.> > On May 14, 1990, Judge Angell was appointed as a United States Magistrate> Judge of the> > United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania. She> was reappointed in> > May 1998.> > Judge Angell is a former President of the Philadelphia Chapter of the> Federal Bar> > Association and Master in the Temple American Inn of Court. She served as> Co-Chair of the> > Commission on Gender of the Third Circuit Task Force on Equal Treatment in> the Courts.

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Let's get the details before we blame anybody. Innocent until proven guilty. It may be very, very trivial.

Re: Bensalem man is charged with > threatening Frist > >EOHarm > >> > I hope that everyone on this list will condemn the> > Bensalem man's> > actions. Our children need and deserve advocates who> > garner respect> > for their cause. Not to mention that such threats> > are morally from> > the "Dark Side."> >> > > >> > > > >> > > http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jers> ey/11750> > > 541.htm> > >> > > Posted on Fri, May. 27, 2005> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist> > >> > >> > > A 39-year-old Bucks County man was charged> > yesterday with> > > threatening to kill U.S. Senate Majority Leader> > Bill Frist.> > >> > > Brett Sonenstein of Bensalem, who has no> > criminal record,> > is> > > accused of making two threatening phone calls to> > the Tennessee> > > Republican's office on March 7. Authorities allege> > that Sonenstein> > > threatened Frist because he thought the senator> > was protecting> > drug> > > companies that are allegedly developing vaccines> > that contain> > > mercury.> > >> > > U.S. Magistrate Judge M. Faith Angell ordered> > Sonenstein detained> > > under further proceedings. Federal guidelines call> > for a sentence> > of> > > 33 to 41 months if Sonenstein is convicted.> >> > ----------------------------------------------------> >> >

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I feel very sorry for the person. I can imagine his desperation to help his child. I hope he gets off easy. We all feel desperate at times. Like we are actually digging in the dirt with our bare hands to get the essentials our children need. Supplements, special diet foods, B12 with foliinic acid, therapy. special doctors who know what they are doing. Chelation. It is enough to make you nuts. And the worry "who will love my child?" Our friend list is short and relatives are no help at all. We have just enough to get by on in the first place. I can imagine someone with a short fuse. I just wish he used his energy elsewhere beside to threaten someone. Violence only begets violence. I'll pray for his early release or to serve no time. And for his child.

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We seem to be missing a few things here.

We as a community are very aware of Frists involvement and of the

Gov./CDC/FDA etc. (pick a set of initials) with the pharma

companies.

We live this on a daily basis. We research, read medical journals,

surf the web, talk to doctors, scientists and sometimes maybe an

author or two. Until recently it has largely been an underground

movement.

The majority of the population has never heard about thimerosal and

autism in any context other than an urban legend. We constantly see

it whitewashed on the television and few if any in the medical and

political arena will even " mention " the word. As if recognition of

this " theory " will give it legitimacy. The white elephant in the

room per se.

Mr. Frist may have unwittingly exposed the white elephant.

> Sticks and stone may break our bones, but names can get your a--

kicked.

>

> If something like this did happen it sure would solve Frist's back-

sliding in the Senate, but then again he'd be dead and treading

flames in the lake of fire.

>

> More than likely this is a Karl Rove tactic. Once again Frist has

been the victim or hero. I don't know the exact numbers, but

victimization always has a positive effect in the polls.

>

> Remember that Imus only became involved in the

issue after he read a Newsweek article about Bob 's grand-

child. Imus was slammed by the WSJ editorial staff, which has strong

ties to Frist, and Newsweek got turkey-ed by the White House over

the holy book in toilet monkey business..

>

> Turns out that Newsweek was backed-up sort of in a way by FBI on

the Koran in the toilet story. But do we really know who set off the

disturbance in Pakistan or even if it's related to Newsweek at all?

>

> Kind of like that video of nondescript Asian men wrangling

chickens because of " bird flu " . Did NBC video them? Or did WHO mail

it to them?

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threatening Frist

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I hope you don't mind I am sending this off list. I don't want to get in trouble for talking about something other than June 8th.

I would hope that we could show some support for this man. But for the grace of God there go I. I don't condone his actions as I am usually a peacful person - but I certainly can understand.

I am sending a letter - not as the President of NAA- NJ but as a fellow parent. The rough draft is as follows...

Jenn

www.naanj.org

M. Faith Angell, Chief Magistrate Judge

Dear Justice Angell,

I am writing you today on behalf of Brett Sonenstein. While I am not a friend or associate of this man, I am a member of his extended family. We share the common bond of having a child diagnosed with autism. We both feel that the thimerosal in vaccines has damaged our children. We are both frustrated by the lack of response and deceitful dealings from our government. Mr. Sonenstein is probably exhausted and beaten. Autism/mercury poisoning is a 24 hour a day disability. These children require hundred of thousand of dollars of specialized care. My family alone has spent 500 thousand dollars in 6 years. It doesn’t end. We fight for our children in every arena. Health care is expensive, the insurance companies don’t cover many of the treatments that our children need. The schools make you fight for every service for your child. The medical community of doctors just want to treat the behaviors – most of the mainstream doctors don’t want to talk about a cure – they want to talk about the latest anti psychotic drug or that autism is genetic. The US government is pretending that mercury in vaccines is ok. Family and friends pull away because they can’t believe

Threatening an official of the US government is wrong. It goes against all we believe in. Mr. Sonenstein needs to know this, and while it is important to send that message, please take into consideration the above facts.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of KerbobSent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:21 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Re: Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist

Let's get the details before we blame anybody. Innocent until proven guilty. It may be very, very trivial.

Re: Bensalem man is charged with > threatening Frist > >EOHarm > >> > I hope that everyone on this list will condemn the> > Bensalem man's> > actions. Our children need and deserve advocates who> > garner respect> > for their cause. Not to mention that such threats> > are morally from> > the "Dark Side."> >> > > >> > > > >> > > http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jers> ey/11750> > > 541.htm> > >> > > Posted on Fri, May. 27, 2005> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist> > >> > >> > > A 39-year-old Bucks County man was charged> > yesterday with> > > threatening to kill U.S. Senate Majority Leader> > Bill Frist.> > >> > > Brett Sonenstein of Bensalem, who has no> > criminal record,> > is> > > accused of making two threatening phone calls to> > the Tennessee> > > Republican's office on March 7. Authorities allege> > that Sonenstein> > > threatened Frist because he thought the senator> > was protecting> > drug> > > companies that are allegedly developing vaccines> > that contain> > > mercury.> > >> > > U.S. Magistrate Judge M. Faith Angell ordered> > Sonenstein detained> > > under further proceedings. Federal guidelines call> > for a sentence> > of> > > 33 to 41 months if Sonenstein is convicted.> >> > ----------------------------------------------------> >> >

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Let's not convict this man with no evidence. We have no idea what the

facts in this case are. I am inclined to be sympathetic to anyone who

has a child with mercrcury poisoning, but perhaps Mr. Sonnenstein

needs the protection of the constitution and our legal system more

than letters that concede that the government, the same government

that says it is OK to poison children, got it right.

This is an administration that said Iraq had weapons of mass-

destruction, and then admitted there were no such weapons, they said

Iraq had a nuculear capability, and then admitted Iraq had no nuclear

capability. They said Iraq was colaborating with Al-Queda and then

admitted ther was no evidence to support this claim. These guys lie

all the time. We have no reason to believe anything they say. Our

legal system evolved over the last 1000 years specifically to protect

us from baseless accusations by the government.

If the government said this man committed a crime let them prove it

in court. In the mean time I will assume he is innocent.

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> > http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jers

> > ey/11750

> > > > 541.htm

> > > >

> > > > Posted on Fri, May. 27, 2005

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A 39-year-old Bucks County man was charged

> > > yesterday with

> > > > threatening to kill U.S. Senate Majority Leader

> > > Bill Frist.

> > > >

> > > > Brett Sonenstein of Bensalem, who has no

> > > criminal record,

> > > is

> > > > accused of making two threatening phone calls to

> > > the Tennessee

> > > > Republican's office on March 7. Authorities allege

> > > that Sonenstein

> > > > threatened Frist because he thought the senator

> > > was protecting

> > > drug

> > > > companies that are allegedly developing vaccines

> > > that contain

> > > > mercury.

> > > >

> > > > U.S. Magistrate Judge M. Faith Angell ordered

> > > Sonenstein detained

> > > > under further proceedings. Federal guidelines call

> > > for a sentence

> > > of

> > > > 33 to 41 months if Sonenstein is convicted.

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------

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> > >

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Jenn,

Beautiful letter...and I don't think anyone should feel that they

might " get in trouble " if they speak their heart or choose to speak

on other topics...Thanks for sharing this...

Kelli

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> > >

> > http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jers

> > ey/11750

> > > > 541.htm

> > > >

> > > > Posted on Fri, May. 27, 2005

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A 39-year-old Bucks County man was charged

> > > yesterday with

> > > > threatening to kill U.S. Senate Majority Leader

> > > Bill Frist.

> > > >

> > > > Brett Sonenstein of Bensalem, who has no

> > > criminal record,

> > > is

> > > > accused of making two threatening phone calls to

> > > the Tennessee

> > > > Republican's office on March 7. Authorities allege

> > > that Sonenstein

> > > > threatened Frist because he thought the senator

> > > was protecting

> > > drug

> > > > companies that are allegedly developing vaccines

> > > that contain

> > > > mercury.

> > > >

> > > > U.S. Magistrate Judge M. Faith Angell ordered

> > > Sonenstein detained

> > > > under further proceedings. Federal guidelines call

> > > for a sentence

> > > of

> > > > 33 to 41 months if Sonenstein is convicted.

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

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Well, we hope that this is Frist being Frist. Frist has been painting this picture over and over again.

It's clear that your heart is pure. Maybe this fellow as a Gulf War vet?

The first thing police usually ask the victim is what did you do to deserve this?

WOW! I'll bet they drug out the rockers for that reply!!!!!!

Re: Bensalem man is charged with > threatening Frist > >EOHarm > >> > I hope that everyone on this list will condemn the> > Bensalem man's> > actions. Our children need and deserve advocates who> > garner respect> > for their cause. Not to mention that such threats> > are morally from> > the "Dark Side."> >> > > >> > > > >> > > http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jers> ey/11750> > > 541.htm> > >> > > Posted on Fri, May. 27, 2005> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > Bensalem man is charged with threatening Frist> > >> > >> > > A 39-year-old Bucks County man was charged> > yesterday with> > > threatening to kill U.S. Senate Majority Leader> > Bill Frist.> > >> > > Brett Sonenstein of Bensalem, who has no> > criminal record,> > is> > > accused of making two threatening phone calls to> > the Tennessee> > > Republican's office on March 7. Authorities allege> > that Sonenstein> > > threatened Frist because he thought the senator> > was protecting> > drug> > > companies that are allegedly developing vaccines> > that contain> > > mercury.> > >> > > U.S. Magistrate Judge M. Faith Angell ordered> > Sonenstein detained> > > under further proceedings. Federal guidelines call> > for a sentence> > of> > > 33 to 41 months if Sonenstein is convicted.> >> > ----------------------------------------------------> >> >

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I made a big assumption - I assumed he had a kid with ASD. Thanks to the person who pointed that out. I guess there could be other groups of people angry with Frist as well.

Jenn

I would hope that we could show some support for this man. But for the grace of God there go I. I don't condone his actions as I am usually a peacful person - but I certainly can understand.

[Guest guest]

Very eloquently put . I couldnt agree with you more.

Ellen