Re: Re:Our rights to buy suppliments is in jeopardy

May 30, 2007

In a message dated 05/30/2007 1:22:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jmillerwolfe@... writes:

They don't make laws; they make advisories

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they DO, however, perform in some instances what is referred to in college

law courses as a " quasi-legislative " function

for example, if a police officer sees a person crusing along at a good clip

but does not pursue the person as a speeding offender -- he has used his

judgement as an officer of law to released this person from the requirements of

the law for speeding drivers and therefore has preformed what is referred to

as a " quasi-judicial " function, i.e., setting free a speeding driver from

legal obligations resulting from breaking the law (here, the speed limit) is

really a matter for the courts/judicial discretion

it cannot be disproved that this one and the same act, although, of course,

other considerations and interpretations could be applied

none-the-less, it might not be reasonable to merely think of the effects of

the FDA according to your formulaic assertion :

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They don't make laws; they make advisories. The only body that makes laws

is Congress,

>

Also, it is very often held to COURTS, in their help with interpreting

statutes and other areas in the administration of justice by law (the same word

you use above) to AFFECT WHAT LAW IS or means, or how law actually is applied --

this is referred to as a " quasi-legislative " function of the courts

in effect -- the courts are also empowered to " make law "

law does not exist mere because the body of congress creates statutes -- the

letter of the law is NOT static -- law carries with it INTENT and courts are

authorized to insure that the " letter of the law " is carried out -- their

interpretations ALONG WITH THE INTERPRETATIONS of the FDA could actually be an

inseperable part of what you call " MAKING LAW "

while congress is the only power authorized to ENACT LAWS -- the full force

and effect of law, and subsequently, the intent of the law can be said to

exist via a combination of factors

this " quasi-legislative " power is shown in many instances

for example, again, with a speeding driver -- if an officer, or officers in

general, do not pursue people driving on modern highways who travel within 10

miles of the posted limit -- this, IN EFFECT, alters the letter of the law

and make the speed limit, in effect, and for the generality of highway

travelers, a " new " or " different " law

in carrying out its duties and resposibilities, any good government (and

good government agency) must respond to forces in society

wether or not you, yourself detect the FDA responding to real life

situations and working within the parameters of government by law and good

government

that serves in society for the benefit of its members, the FDA and the US

government do respond

therefore, i don't think what you said is true, not in reality

i don't think if you went the full mile, that your thinking here would hold

up as presented

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Our representatives are the only ones that we have a chance of affecting,

because we elect them

>

but of course, still, the ball, so to speak, IS on your side of the fence

there's a LOTTA ramifications to the work of the FDA -- public opinion is

NOT always useful, but can be

for example, if most people NEVER EVER even travels so much one MPH faster

than the posted speed limits, let's make the picture easier to see, by saying

they dramatically cautious all the time, going most often way under the limit

-- then, people going along at 10 MPH faster than the posted limits. would

be picked up by officers -- there wouldn't be to many of them around after

while

you wouldn't have to enact law to make this happen, or list their opinions

about motoring and motors at DMV and FDA -- but public opinion (and action)

WOULD INDEED ACT TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN

perhaps not in the above example, but sometimes dynamics occur that sometime

must be accounted for

jerry

PS --

the world is a dynamic place

modern technology can HURT

the intent of law IS NOT to cause hurt nor to allow for malfeasance

NOR would the letter of the law stand if it tended to unleash disease and

unhappiness [war excepted, apparently] and so we might find that the FDA seems

rather " iron clad " at times -- i think causes a huge canyon of

misunderstanding that bears " bad fruit " and is at cross purposes for all

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May 30, 2007

Hi Joyce, you're sure beyond absolutely right about the miserable FDA.

It's interesting though, over the past several months, I have received

several e-mail notices from different organizations regarding the FDA's

latest attempt to destroy us & the organizations asking us to take

action in voicing our opinions to the FDA:

http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizations/Citizens/campaign.jsp

?campaign_KEY=11313

<http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizations/Citizens/campaign.js

p?campaign_KEY=11313>

http://www.healthfreedom.net/index.php?option=com_content & task=view & id=2

14 & Itemid=249

<http://www.healthfreedom.net/index.php?option=com_content & task=view & id=

214 & Itemid=249>

http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/healthfreedomusa/c

ampaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=7185

<http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/healthfreedomusa/

campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=7185>

take good care all,

Randi

< Re:Our rights to buy suppliments is in

jeopardy

I understand that this message is from a group that is trying to divert

attention from the issue. The FDA doesn't give a fig what the public

thinks.

They don't make laws; they make advisories.

The only body that makes laws is Congress, and this organization is

deflecting public attention from laws that are being considered in

Congress.

Our representatives are the only ones that we have a chance of

affecting,

because we elect them and because they have to have public input in

order to

make laws. The FDA needs no public input; is not looking for public

input;

and won't even answer queries.

Joyce

Dallas tX

May 30, 2007

Joyce,

Any organization is listening to the public if enough people voice

their opinion and voice it in an effective way. It doesn't matter if

they are the law makers or not.

Fred

On 30.05.2007, at 08:46, Joyce wrote:

> I understand that this message is from a group that is trying to

> divert

> attention from the issue. The FDA doesn't give a fig what the

> public thinks.

> They don't make laws; they make advisories.

>

> The only body that makes laws is Congress, and this organization is

> deflecting public attention from laws that are being considered in

> Congress.

> Our representatives are the only ones that we have a chance of

> affecting,

> because we elect them and because they have to have public input in

> order to

> make laws. The FDA needs no public input; is not looking for public

> input;

> and won't even answer queries.

>

> Joyce

> Dallas tX

>

May 30, 2007

I know I am in the minority on this subject but I would actually LIKE to see

some verifiable testing on supplements I consider taking. Even the ones I

currently take. I used to feel the way most do but after spending more

money than I can remember on supplements that seemed not to make much

difference it would be nice to know ahead of time what each one really does.

T

GourdDiva - Lompoc, CA

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it.

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May 30, 2007

Folks, check this one out http://www.newstarget.com/021874.html

Now, if people would take proper action there wouldn't be a single

FDA rep taking the risk of misrepresentation or any other illegal

action including taking bribes. It would change the FDA. It's

possible if people would have the courage and take the proper action/

On 30.05.2007, at 08:46, Joyce wrote:

> I understand that this message is from a group that is trying to

> divert

> attention from the issue. The FDA doesn't give a fig what the

> public thinks.

> They don't make laws; they make advisories.

>

> The only body that makes laws is Congress, and this organization is

> deflecting public attention from laws that are being considered in

> Congress.

> Our representatives are the only ones that we have a chance of

> affecting,

> because we elect them and because they have to have public input in

> order to

> make laws. The FDA needs no public input; is not looking for public

> input;

> and won't even answer queries.

>

> Joyce

> Dallas tX

>

May 30, 2007

Could you suppliment people please start your own group? Please!

Re: Re:Our rights to buy suppliments

is in jeopardy

Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:32:09 -0600

Folks, check this one out http://www.newstarget.com/021874.html

Now, if people would take proper action there wouldn't be a single

FDA rep taking the risk of misrepresentation or any other illegal

action including taking bribes. It would change the FDA. It's

possible if people would have the courage and take the proper action/

On 30.05.2007, at 08:46, Joyce wrote:

> I understand that this message is from a group that is trying to

> divert

> attention from the issue. The FDA doesn't give a fig what the

> public thinks.

> They don't make laws; they make advisories.

>

> The only body that makes laws is Congress, and this organization is

> deflecting public attention from laws that are being considered in

> Congress.

> Our representatives are the only ones that we have a chance of

> affecting,

> because we elect them and because they have to have public input in

> order to

> make laws. The FDA needs no public input; is not looking for public

> input;

> and won't even answer queries.

>

> Joyce

> Dallas tX

>

May 30, 2007

This has nothing to do with supplements. It has to do with taking

our rights for free food away from us. It includes sprouting. What

will you do when 'they' forbid you to sprout? What will you do when

you cannot get any sprout seeds any longer? Open your eyes and see

what is going on. 'They' try, and are well on the way, to totally

control the food supply. This includes sprouting seeds. It will be

too late to wonder what has happened when the seeds are gone. We

have to think as long sa there is the possibility to do something

about it. I am very concerned. I have seen too much. People wake up!

On 30.05.2007, at 17:16, Ernest Willingham wrote:

> Could you suppliment people please start your own group? Please!

>

> Re: Re:Our rights to buy suppliments

> is in jeopardy

> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:32:09 -0600

>

> Folks, check this one out http://www.newstarget.com/021874.html

>

> Now, if people would take proper action there wouldn't be a single

> FDA rep taking the risk of misrepresentation or any other illegal

> action including taking bribes. It would change the FDA. It's

> possible if people would have the courage and take the proper action/

> On 30.05.2007, at 08:46, Joyce wrote:

>

> > I understand that this message is from a group that is trying to

> > divert

> > attention from the issue. The FDA doesn't give a fig what the

> > public thinks.

> > They don't make laws; they make advisories.

> >

> > The only body that makes laws is Congress, and this organization is

> > deflecting public attention from laws that are being considered in

> > Congress.

> > Our representatives are the only ones that we have a chance of

> > affecting,

> > because we elect them and because they have to have public input in

> > order to

> > make laws. The FDA needs no public input; is not looking for public

> > input;

> > and won't even answer queries.

> >

> > Joyce

> > Dallas tX

> >

May 30, 2007

There is such a thing as overreaction to the point of spamdation!!The us gov.

cant control anything,pot is a controlled substance that can be purchased

anywhere usa.The majority of supplements are worthless anyway!Coral calcium is a

good example of scamming gone wild!Buy all means write your congressman/woman

but please don't write me!Ive only gotten several hundred emails on this subject

alone!!!!!Live well live long but don't worry about seedtime and harvest.Its a

gift beyond government control!

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