Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 This is spam of the worst kind and should have been blocked. L Cook On Sep 29, 2006, at 5:59 PM, mannalivenutraceuticals wrote: > Nature's Cancer Prevention - Vitamin B17 > Have you ever heard of vitamin B17? Maybe you have heard of its > other name - Laetrile. > > Americans cannot access vitamin B17 because the FDA took it off the > market in the 1970s, and removed it from the B-Complex vitamins. It > is unlawful for any health practitioner to administer this vitamin > to patients. Apricot seeds are the best source for B17, but they > have also been removed from the shelves of every health food store > and natural market throughout the USA. Limited research has been > conducted on vitamin B17 since 1977. Once it was banned, it was > forgotten. > > According to research from years ago, provided by nutritionists and > medical scientists, vitamin B17 is a natural cyanide-containing > compound that gives up its cyanide content only in the presence of a > particular enzyme group called beta glucosidase or glucuronidase. > Miraculously, this enzyme group is found almost exclusively in > cancer cells. If found elsewhere in the body, it is accompanied by > greater quantities of another enzyme, rhodanese, which has the > ability to disable the cyanide and convert it into completely > harmless substances. Cancer tissues do not have this protecting > enzyme. > > So, according to past scientific knowledge, cancer cells are faced > with a double threat: the presence of one enzyme exposing them to > cyanide, while the absence of another enzyme found in all other > normal cells results in the cancer's failure to detoxify itself. > Leave it to nature to provide a form of cyanide that can naturally > destroy a cancer cell. The cancer cells that are unable to withstand > the cyanide are destroyed, while the non-cancerous cells are not > threatened by the cyanide, and, therefore, remain unharmed. Never > underestimate the body's potential! > > Vitamin B17 is found naturally in many foods. If you eat foods > containing vitamin B17, your body will know what to do next. All > other animals in nature instinctively do this. Consider it nature's > cancer prevention. If only modern medicine would allow it. > > San Francisco's Ernst T. Krebs, Sr., M.D. discovered the healing > qualities of vitamin B17 in 1923. His sons, Ernst T. Krebs, Jr., > PhD., and Byron Krebs, M.D. continued their father's research in > 1952, refining Laetrile's (B17) nutritional qualities. > > From their research, the Krebs believed cancer was not caused by an > outside invading force but rather by malfunctions of the normal > mechanics within the body itself. They identified cancer as > a " deficiency disease. " The body's malfunctions, according to their > research, were the result of a deficiency of certain chemicals found > in food, a deficiency of chemicals they specifically identified as > vitamin B17, as well as a deficiency of enzymes known as trypsins > produced in the pancreas. > > The Krebs had discovered a natural, drugless method to help prevent > cancer. But their discovery wasn't original. Years prior to any of > the Drs. Krebs' works, Drs. B. Wood and lin Bache, M.D. > published a reference volume in 1833 in which they described > amygdalin, derived from B17, as a common treatment for a wide range > of diseases and disorders. > > Vitamin B17 is also referred to as a nitriloside, which is the > foundation for Laetrile, amygdalin, and prunasin. Together with the > pancreatic enzyme trypsin, these can form a natural barrier against > cancer growth. If foods containing any of the nitrilosides are eaten > regularly, the body's own immune mechanisms can naturally battle > cancer-forming cells. But if foods containing these critical > vitamins are not regularly consumed (or manufactured), nature's > mechanisms can't work as effectively against the buildup of factors > at the root of cancer and the countless number of degenerative > diseases. > > This is happening to human beings today. Not only are advanced > societies environmentally polluted to dangerous levels, but also > more and more foods are being altered from their natural state by > man's own doing. Modern freeze-dried, fat-free, sugar-free, calorie- > free, weight-watchful, microwavable artificial food substitutes > don't contain nitrilosides. Most food manufacturers don't even know > what nitrilosides are. Never in human history have artificial foods > saturated with preservatives and unhealthy chemicals dominated the > food supply to the degree they do today. Modern nourishment is no > longer nourishing. > > In the late 1970's, Dr. Harold W. Manner, PhD., Chairman of the > Biology Department at Loyola University, Chicago, Illinois, studied > the overall value of Laetrile (B17). His work was well respected and > considered among the first unbiased studies since the Krebs' in the > 1920s. He reported Laetrile as being virtually non-toxic. > > When Dr. Manner used Laetrile in his medical research, along with > vitamin A and digestive enzymes, he discovered the production of > antibodies was stimulated against spontaneous breast tumors in his > laboratory mice. He studied the results of complete regression in 76 > percent of the treated mice with mammary gland cancers. > > Dr. Manner believed Laetrile received its best results when used in > conjunction with digestive enzymes, a traditional balanced diet, and > with vitamin A. > > No physician has had more clinical experience with Laetrile than > Ernesto Contreras, Sr., M.D. of the Contreras Hospital in Tijuana, > Mexico, formerly The Oasis Of Hope Hospital. Dr. Contreras has > clinically used Laetrile for more than forty years on thousands of > terminally diagnosed patients, and has received impressive results. > > One of Dr. Contreras' patients was a man suffering from severe colon > cancer. Using Laetrile treatments in conjunction with detoxification > protocols and proper vitamin supplementation, Contreras was able to > arrest the progression of his patient's cancer. The man lived more > than fifteen years beyond his predicted death. > > The following is a list of foods rich in vitamin B17: > - Watercress > - Spinach > - Bamboo sprouts > - Alfalfa sprouts > - Lentil sprouts > - Whole nuts > - Mung bean sprouts > - Ground nuts > - Garbanzo sprouts > - Apple seeds > - Apricot seeds > > LL > Better Solutions for Global Health > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Hmmmm, I didn't consider this spam since it was about another benefit gained by eating sprouts. I thought it was a rather interesting article with information I'd like to do more research on. Is the individual trying to sell us something? I didn't notice any reference to a particular product. Perhaps I missed it. Is there some reason I should consider this spam? Cook <lcoqc@...> wrote: This is spam of the worst kind and should have been blocked. L Cook On Sep 29, 2006, at 5:59 PM, mannalivenutraceuticals wrote: > Nature's Cancer Prevention - Vitamin B17 > Have you ever heard of vitamin B17? Maybe you have heard of its > other name - Laetrile. > > Americans cannot access vitamin B17 because the FDA took it off the > market in the 1970s, and removed it from the B-Complex vitamins. It > is unlawful for any health practitioner to administer this vitamin > to patients. Apricot seeds are the best source for B17, but they > have also been removed from the shelves of every health food store > and natural market throughout the USA. Limited research has been > conducted on vitamin B17 since 1977. Once it was banned, it was > forgotten. > > According to research from years ago, provided by nutritionists and > medical scientists, vitamin B17 is a natural cyanide-containing > compound that gives up its cyanide content only in the presence of a > particular enzyme group called beta glucosidase or glucuronidase. > Miraculously, this enzyme group is found almost exclusively in > cancer cells. If found elsewhere in the body, it is accompanied by > greater quantities of another enzyme, rhodanese, which has the > ability to disable the cyanide and convert it into completely > harmless substances. Cancer tissues do not have this protecting > enzyme. > > So, according to past scientific knowledge, cancer cells are faced > with a double threat: the presence of one enzyme exposing them to > cyanide, while the absence of another enzyme found in all other > normal cells results in the cancer's failure to detoxify itself. > Leave it to nature to provide a form of cyanide that can naturally > destroy a cancer cell. The cancer cells that are unable to withstand > the cyanide are destroyed, while the non-cancerous cells are not > threatened by the cyanide, and, therefore, remain unharmed. Never > underestimate the body's potential! > > Vitamin B17 is found naturally in many foods. If you eat foods > containing vitamin B17, your body will know what to do next. All > other animals in nature instinctively do this. Consider it nature's > cancer prevention. If only modern medicine would allow it. > > San Francisco's Ernst T. Krebs, Sr., M.D. discovered the healing > qualities of vitamin B17 in 1923. His sons, Ernst T. Krebs, Jr., > PhD., and Byron Krebs, M.D. continued their father's research in > 1952, refining Laetrile's (B17) nutritional qualities. > > From their research, the Krebs believed cancer was not caused by an > outside invading force but rather by malfunctions of the normal > mechanics within the body itself. They identified cancer as > a " deficiency disease. " The body's malfunctions, according to their > research, were the result of a deficiency of certain chemicals found > in food, a deficiency of chemicals they specifically identified as > vitamin B17, as well as a deficiency of enzymes known as trypsins > produced in the pancreas. > > The Krebs had discovered a natural, drugless method to help prevent > cancer. But their discovery wasn't original. Years prior to any of > the Drs. Krebs' works, Drs. B. Wood and lin Bache, M.D. > published a reference volume in 1833 in which they described > amygdalin, derived from B17, as a common treatment for a wide range > of diseases and disorders. > > Vitamin B17 is also referred to as a nitriloside, which is the > foundation for Laetrile, amygdalin, and prunasin. Together with the > pancreatic enzyme trypsin, these can form a natural barrier against > cancer growth. If foods containing any of the nitrilosides are eaten > regularly, the body's own immune mechanisms can naturally battle > cancer-forming cells. But if foods containing these critical > vitamins are not regularly consumed (or manufactured), nature's > mechanisms can't work as effectively against the buildup of factors > at the root of cancer and the countless number of degenerative > diseases. > > This is happening to human beings today. Not only are advanced > societies environmentally polluted to dangerous levels, but also > more and more foods are being altered from their natural state by > man's own doing. Modern freeze-dried, fat-free, sugar-free, calorie- > free, weight-watchful, microwavable artificial food substitutes > don't contain nitrilosides. Most food manufacturers don't even know > what nitrilosides are. Never in human history have artificial foods > saturated with preservatives and unhealthy chemicals dominated the > food supply to the degree they do today. Modern nourishment is no > longer nourishing. > > In the late 1970's, Dr. Harold W. Manner, PhD., Chairman of the > Biology Department at Loyola University, Chicago, Illinois, studied > the overall value of Laetrile (B17). His work was well respected and > considered among the first unbiased studies since the Krebs' in the > 1920s. He reported Laetrile as being virtually non-toxic. > > When Dr. Manner used Laetrile in his medical research, along with > vitamin A and digestive enzymes, he discovered the production of > antibodies was stimulated against spontaneous breast tumors in his > laboratory mice. He studied the results of complete regression in 76 > percent of the treated mice with mammary gland cancers. > > Dr. Manner believed Laetrile received its best results when used in > conjunction with digestive enzymes, a traditional balanced diet, and > with vitamin A. > > No physician has had more clinical experience with Laetrile than > Ernesto Contreras, Sr., M.D. of the Contreras Hospital in Tijuana, > Mexico, formerly The Oasis Of Hope Hospital. Dr. Contreras has > clinically used Laetrile for more than forty years on thousands of > terminally diagnosed patients, and has received impressive results. > > One of Dr. Contreras' patients was a man suffering from severe colon > cancer. Using Laetrile treatments in conjunction with detoxification > protocols and proper vitamin supplementation, Contreras was able to > arrest the progression of his patient's cancer. The man lived more > than fifteen years beyond his predicted death. > > The following is a list of foods rich in vitamin B17: > - Watercress > - Spinach > - Bamboo sprouts > - Alfalfa sprouts > - Lentil sprouts > - Whole nuts > - Mung bean sprouts > - Ground nuts > - Garbanzo sprouts > - Apple seeds > - Apricot seeds > > LL > Better Solutions for Global Health > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 I skimmed it and thought it was pretty informative. Why is it spam? fern --- Cook <lcoqc@...> wrote: > This is spam of the worst kind and should have been > blocked. > > L Cook > > > > On Sep 29, 2006, at 5:59 PM, mannalivenutraceuticals > wrote: > > > Nature's Cancer Prevention - Vitamin B17 > > Have you ever heard of vitamin B17? Maybe you have > heard of its > > other name - Laetrile. > > > > Americans cannot access vitamin B17 because the > FDA took it off the > > market in the 1970s, and removed it from the > B-Complex vitamins. It > > is unlawful for any health practitioner to > administer this vitamin > > to patients. Apricot seeds are the best source for > B17, but they > > have also been removed from the shelves of every > health food store > > and natural market throughout the USA. Limited > research has been > > conducted on vitamin B17 since 1977. Once it was > banned, it was > > forgotten. > > > > According to research from years ago, provided by > nutritionists and > > medical scientists, vitamin B17 is a natural > cyanide-containing > > compound that gives up its cyanide content only in > the presence of a > > particular enzyme group called beta glucosidase or > glucuronidase. > > Miraculously, this enzyme group is found almost > exclusively in > > cancer cells. If found elsewhere in the body, it > is accompanied by > > greater quantities of another enzyme, rhodanese, > which has the > > ability to disable the cyanide and convert it into > completely > > harmless substances. Cancer tissues do not have > this protecting > > enzyme. > > > > So, according to past scientific knowledge, cancer > cells are faced > > with a double threat: the presence of one enzyme > exposing them to > > cyanide, while the absence of another enzyme found > in all other > > normal cells results in the cancer's failure to > detoxify itself. > > Leave it to nature to provide a form of cyanide > that can naturally > > destroy a cancer cell. The cancer cells that are > unable to withstand > > the cyanide are destroyed, while the non-cancerous > cells are not > > threatened by the cyanide, and, therefore, remain > unharmed. Never > > underestimate the body's potential! > > > > Vitamin B17 is found naturally in many foods. If > you eat foods > > containing vitamin B17, your body will know what > to do next. All > > other animals in nature instinctively do this. > Consider it nature's > > cancer prevention. If only modern medicine would > allow it. > > > > San Francisco's Ernst T. Krebs, Sr., M.D. > discovered the healing > > qualities of vitamin B17 in 1923. His sons, Ernst > T. Krebs, Jr., > > PhD., and Byron Krebs, M.D. continued their > father's research in > > 1952, refining Laetrile's (B17) nutritional > qualities. > > > > From their research, the Krebs believed cancer was > not caused by an > > outside invading force but rather by malfunctions > of the normal > > mechanics within the body itself. They identified > cancer as > > a " deficiency disease. " The body's malfunctions, > according to their > > research, were the result of a deficiency of > certain chemicals found > > in food, a deficiency of chemicals they > specifically identified as > > vitamin B17, as well as a deficiency of enzymes > known as trypsins > > produced in the pancreas. > > > > The Krebs had discovered a natural, drugless > method to help prevent > > cancer. But their discovery wasn't original. Years > prior to any of > > the Drs. Krebs' works, Drs. B. Wood and > lin Bache, M.D. > > published a reference volume in 1833 in which they > described > > amygdalin, derived from B17, as a common treatment > for a wide range > > of diseases and disorders. > > > > Vitamin B17 is also referred to as a nitriloside, > which is the > > foundation for Laetrile, amygdalin, and prunasin. > Together with the > > pancreatic enzyme trypsin, these can form a > natural barrier against > > cancer growth. If foods containing any of the > nitrilosides are eaten > > regularly, the body's own immune mechanisms can > naturally battle > > cancer-forming cells. But if foods containing > these critical > > vitamins are not regularly consumed (or > manufactured), nature's > > mechanisms can't work as effectively against the > buildup of factors > > at the root of cancer and the countless number of > degenerative > > diseases. > > > > This is happening to human beings today. Not only > are advanced > > societies environmentally polluted to dangerous > levels, but also > > more and more foods are being altered from their > natural state by > > man's own doing. Modern freeze-dried, fat-free, > sugar-free, calorie- > > free, weight-watchful, microwavable artificial > food substitutes > > don't contain nitrilosides. Most food > manufacturers don't even know > > what nitrilosides are. Never in human history have > artificial foods > > saturated with preservatives and unhealthy > chemicals dominated the > > food supply to the degree they do today. Modern > nourishment is no > > longer nourishing. > > > > In the late 1970's, Dr. Harold W. Manner, PhD., > Chairman of the > > Biology Department at Loyola University, Chicago, > Illinois, studied > > the overall value of Laetrile (B17). His work was > well respected and > > considered among the first unbiased studies since > the Krebs' in the > > 1920s. He reported Laetrile as being virtually > non-toxic. > > > > When Dr. Manner used Laetrile in his medical > research, along with > > vitamin A and digestive enzymes, he discovered the > production of > > antibodies was stimulated against spontaneous > breast tumors in his > > laboratory mice. He studied the results of > complete regression in 76 > > percent of the treated mice with mammary gland > cancers. > > > > Dr. Manner believed Laetrile received its best > results when used in > > conjunction with digestive enzymes, a traditional > balanced diet, and > > with vitamin A. > > > > No physician has had more clinical experience with > Laetrile than > > Ernesto Contreras, Sr., M.D. of the Contreras > Hospital in Tijuana, > > Mexico, formerly The Oasis Of Hope Hospital. Dr. > Contreras has > > clinically used Laetrile for more than forty years > on thousands of > > terminally diagnosed patients, and has received > impressive results. > > > > One of Dr. Contreras' patients was a man suffering > from severe colon > > cancer. Using Laetrile treatments in conjunction > with detoxification > > protocols and proper vitamin supplementation, > Contreras was able to > > arrest the progression of his patient's cancer. > The man lived more > > than fifteen years beyond his predicted death. > > > > The following is a list of foods rich in vitamin > B17: > > - Watercress > > - Spinach > > - Bamboo sprouts > > - Alfalfa sprouts > > - Lentil sprouts > > - Whole nuts > > - Mung bean sprouts > > - Ground nuts > > - Garbanzo sprouts > > - Apple seeds > > - Apricot seeds > > > > LL > > Better Solutions for Global Health > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 He may not have supplied a direct link (hence fooling some folks into thinking this is legit and he's not selling anything), but after providing you with much information, he signed off with " Better Solutions for Global Health. " If you Google that phrase, it will take you to several 'Mannatech' sites, all of which sell a whole bunch of bull$%* & with bogus health claims. Do not be fooled! I can promise you that this snake-oil salesman is copy & pasting the same infomercial into every other health related site and e-mail group that does not monitor new members... With Much Respect, Celia Re: What's in some of those sprouts you eat? I skimmed it and thought it was pretty informative. Why is it spam? fern . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 This cannot be spam since the author has responded responsibly. Secondly -- SHE NEVER SAID she was selling anything here. She's entitled to be a CNC AND MAKE A LIVING -- just because she also posted here MEANS NOTHING in addition. She gave that so you could KNOW about her -- NOT SO YOU COULD READ ALL KINDS OF THINGS INTO HER POSTS that really were never there in the first place (and subsequent places). Obvioulsy -- the FDA is NOT always right on -- nobody blames them, however, for stopping MANY NEW MANUFACTURERS from doing things irresponsibly. WELL SHOOT -- that doesn't PROVE ONE SINGLE THING about the person posting here THIS TIME -- check her info, THAT'S ALL. You might be sniffing around like a dog in every corner -- but all you've got going is a lot of olfactory hallucinations here. This a VALID POST. If somebody ACTUALLY MAKES A CAREER OR LIVING in an ares that touches sprouts -- THEY SHOULD BE ALL THE MORE WELCOMED TO POST HERE by anyone interested in various takes on the subject. She was trying to do us a favor -- which you can tell if you read to the bottom of the email -- HOW CAN YOU SAY SHE IS SELLING SOMETHING HERE WHEN WHAT SHE LISTS IS WHOLE FOODS AND SPROUTS. YOU GROW THEM IN YOUR OWN HOME ! ! ! DUH. Thx for the very informative original post. Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Please remember that pharmaceutical medications are implicated as the cause of death and/or disability. Anecdotal does not necessarily mean " no good " . Many peoplewho are prosecuted or threatened by the government have been using proven products; such as, stevia, colloidal silver, antibiotics for Lyme and rheumatic diseases etc... Please, be very careful before you put a medication in your body. I have been in Nursing for many years. http://www.doctoryourself.com/safety.html There is not even one death per year from vitamin supplements. However, there are over 100,000 deaths from pharmaceutical drugs each year in the USA, even when taken as prescribed. (Lucian Leape, Error in medicine. Journal of the American Medical Association, 1994, 272:23, p 1851. Also: Leape LL. Institute of Medicine medical error figures are not exaggerated. JAMA. 2000 Jul 5;284(1):95-7.) > > > > Cook <lcoqc@...> wrote: This is spam of the worst > > kind and should have been blocked. > > > > > > > > > This is a scam that's been around for years preying on people with > incurable cancer and other terminal diseases. Try googling to see how > many purveyors of Laetrile have been prosecuted for fraud and are > serving time in federal prisons. > > _._,___ > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 9/29/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 I did not consider the article on B17 to be spam..it was very informative, and not selling a product. thank you ANNE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 I agree with Jerry. Everyone, even someone selling a product, is entitled to express an opinion... once. IMO repeat posting would be spam. I would be very interested in specifics on B-17 and sprouts. Is there a list of how much B-17 is in sprouts or other foods and how this compares with any clinical trials of the substance? I don't recommend home treatment of anything as serious as cancer but the information would certainly be useful. >This cannot be spam since the author has responded responsibly. > >Secondly -- SHE NEVER SAID she was selling anything here. She's >entitled to be a CNC AND MAKE A LIVING -- just because she also >posted here MEANS NOTHING in addition. > >She gave that so you could KNOW about her -- NOT SO YOU COULD READ >ALL KINDS OF THINGS INTO HER POSTS that really were never there in >the first place (and subsequent places). > >Obvioulsy -- the FDA is NOT always right on -- nobody blames them, >however, for stopping MANY NEW MANUFACTURERS from doing things >irresponsibly. > >WELL SHOOT -- that doesn't PROVE ONE SINGLE THING about the person >posting here THIS TIME -- check her info, THAT'S ALL. > >You might be sniffing around like a dog in every corner -- but all >you've got going is a lot of olfactory hallucinations here. > >This a VALID POST. > >If somebody ACTUALLY MAKES A CAREER OR LIVING in an ares that touches >sprouts -- > >THEY SHOULD BE ALL THE MORE WELCOMED TO POST HERE by anyone >interested in various takes on the subject. > >She was trying to do us a favor -- which you can tell if you read to >the bottom of the email -- HOW CAN YOU SAY SHE IS SELLING SOMETHING >HERE WHEN WHAT SHE LISTS IS WHOLE FOODS AND SPROUTS. > > >YOU GROW THEM IN YOUR OWN HOME ! ! ! > > >DUH. > > >Thx for the very informative original post. > >Jerry > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Maybe you should start by asking whether such a thing as Vitamin B-17 exists or not. The evidence I have seen is that no such vitamin is recognized 'in reality,' at least not by reputable scientific or medical communities. (Granted, it is logically impossible to prove the non-existence of anything: just because you haven't found any unicorns or mermaids *yet* doesn't mean they're not out there somewhere...) On Sep 30, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Mark wrote: > I would be very interested in specifics on B-17 and sprouts. Is > there a list of how much B-17 is in sprouts or other foods and how > this compares with any clinical trials of the substance? I don't > recommend home treatment of anything as serious as cancer but the > information would certainly be useful. > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Jerry wrote: >> I'm insulted and NOT so be it. Dear Jerry, It was not my intention to insult you, so I apologize if you were offended. I was out of place. >> Not only that SHE NEVER TRIED TO SELL ANYTHING -- you don't present ANY research YOU did but you talk about doing it -- WELL -- you DIDN'T EVEN read the info your using to insult others. No, I did not present any of my research for the very reason that Barbara Reilley brought up...this is not about sprouts and it should not continue 'on-list.' But since you asked, I will give you the Readers Digest version. Part of what I currently do for a living is to protect the public from fraud, and I have had a lot of dealings with Mannatech and their sales associates in the last 7 years. There was an series of articles way back when in the Detroit News about the so-called disinterested " third party " research that Mannatech used to validate their product line, and it was revealed that the studies were not only underwritten by Mannatech, but was also performed by people recruited by Mannatech and put on their payroll under a third party name to disguise the trail. They had a slick " medical " journal that resembled JAMA in layout, look and title, and I was surprised by how many people, when queried after meeting with Mannatech reps, were fooled into believing that it was put out by a legitimate medical organization, not by a private company to promote its product. The Detroit News stopped just short of calling it fraud. (If this product is so great, then why would they have to use deceptive business practices to gain public trust???) Again, about this time, a ton of Mannatech reps joined the local business networking groups in SE Michigan, (BNI, etc.) and a flood of complaints from other members about their sales techniques prompted many of the reps to be ejected from their groups. (Complaints were about misrepresentation, being dishonest and unethical with the folks that were referred to them, etc.) When this did not work out too well, many of the local reps resorted to joining as many organizations, e-mail lists, chambers of commerce, etc., as they could, and began selling by a " back door " technique...that is to NOT represent their products but to present themselves as concerned 'health experts' (without actually saying it or they could be sued for practicing medicine). Once a relationship was developed down the road with an individual or a group, (especially once the prospect(s) has identified a health concern for themselves or a loved one), the prospect is encouraged through links on e-mail correspondence, business cards and letterhead to visit their web sites, read about the 'research' and hear all the testimonials from formally diseased people that were cured. My fear, perhaps unjustified, was that was doing the same thing. To 's credit, she admitted in an off-line correspondence that there are/were some reps that gave many Mannatech reps a bad name. ( wanted it to remain private between us so I will not reveal the contents of our conversations, but I think it is important to address this on-list so that you realize we are conversing and not fighting.) If is not one of the them, which she claims she is not, then I owe her an apology for lumping her in with the bad guys. I do still stand by my thoughts of Mannatech's products as I have good reason to be suspicious. >> She's entitled to her credentials, too. Is that why you're being unresonable, because you feel put out by someone who's made a commitment ? No, truly I am not at all put out by her credentials. If she worked for it, she's entitled to it...as I am also. I come from a family with a heavy medical background and I used to be a certified cardio-vascular technologist with a minor in nutrition. (I started out to be a registered dietician but switched majors when I became dismayed by some of the 'garbage' that they pushed as real food.) My son is also a doctor with multiple science degrees, including one in nuclear physics, so I am used to dealing with people who have a deep commitment to their education. I will not continue to harp on a subject that really does not belong on this list, but I will again apologize--not for my feelings about Mannatech's products--but for insulting and anyone else on this list by being rude. As I mentioned above, and I have been corresponding off-list, and I consider the subject closed. I will curb my tongue and put it back where it belongs...in my mouth, LOL! Respectfully Yours, Celia Jerry wrote: >> NOBODY's here to insult the others. She's entitled to make a living selling whatever. There's people who see guns, there's people who sell bombs, there's even people who sell entire nations into war and hatred. She wasn't selling anything. YOU and OTHERS here said she was, though. You think she feels " insulted " ? Wowee. The members here should -- after you guys jumped like that. You're clearly way wrong. I wouldn't mind you expressing your opinion about a certain supplement, but so her info was of a different NATURE -- not support sales OR EVEN USE of the SUPPLEMENT -- she was just giving background LEADING INTO a contribution here JUST ABOUT SPROUTS. As a matter of fact -- SHE DOES THIS as A RESULT of her education. And certainly -- A PROFESSIONAL who's money making touches on this subject should be welcome here for the REAL LIFE experience, etc. they can contribute. SHE NEVER TRIED TO SELL B17 BUT SHE LISTED SPROUTS, YES, SPROUTS, and other whole foods that might touch on the subject she addressed in her post. There was nothing wrong with 's posts -- it's what OTHERS assumed wrongfully that hurts. -- I'm sorry to see they tried to back you into a corner mistakenly and repeatedly so. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 I found this article to be very informative, and when I finished reading it, I was moved to buy one of the foods listed that contained Vitamin B12- Apricot seeds, which I learned some years ago was a highly nutritious food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 That's why I asked about clinical trials. Previous acceptance of the name " B-17 " isn't important; if it's useful and in sprouts is information we can use. P.S. Unicorns are baby goats whose horn buds under the skin are manipulated to grow together at the center of the forehead. Technique invented by an east African tribe. Haven't met any mermaids... > >Maybe you should start by asking whether such a thing as Vitamin B-17 >exists or not. The evidence I have seen is that no such vitamin is >recognized 'in reality,' at least not by reputable scientific or >medical communities. (Granted, it is logically impossible to prove >the non-existence of anything: just because you haven't found any >unicorns or mermaids *yet* doesn't mean they're not out there >somewhere...) > > > > >On Sep 30, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Mark wrote: > > >> I would be very interested in specifics on B-17 and sprouts. Is >> there a list of how much B-17 is in sprouts or other foods and how >> this compares with any clinical trials of the substance? I don't >> recommend home treatment of anything as serious as cancer but the >> information would certainly be useful. >> > > >>> . >> >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Just for your information, apricot seeds (better known as pits) do not contain Vitamin B12. And 12 is not 17, though at this point in this thread I suppose it's hardly worth calling attention to such details. Wouldn't it be nice if we could hear something about sprouting, for a change? On Oct 1, 2006, at 3:06 PM, Nicolas wrote: > I found this article to be very informative, and when I finished > reading it, I was moved to buy one of the foods listed that contained > Vitamin B12- Apricot seeds, which I learned some years ago was a > highly > nutritious food. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 > > > Haven't met any mermaids... > > I am a mermaid/man. Depending on which sprouts you have for feeding, of course. I would like to try the uni horn on my next occasion. Do you know someone personally who grows their sprouts in this apairrattus ? ps -- I'm sure things will turn around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 So are you saying that we SHOULDN'T eat: > The following is a list of foods rich in vitamin B17: > - Watercress > - Spinach > - Bamboo sprouts > - Alfalfa sprouts > - Lentil sprouts > - Whole nuts > - Mung bean sprouts > - Ground nuts > - Garbanzo sprouts > - Apple seeds > - Apricot seeds > These were the only things I saw her promoting. Terri > Re: What's in some of those sprouts you eat? > > > I guess I'll look at your profile and then ban you from a group because > your trying to sell me something through osmosis. How dare you. > > > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 WOW! I haven't seen this much activity in our group in ages - if ever! I have not had time to read everyone's posts, but I understand those who feel this is spam. It does look like a sales pitch to me, BUT - we Sproutpeople do NOT believe the FDA is looking out for us consumer/citizens. If they were, they would have created a food grading system for sprouting seeds back in 1999 when they had the chance, and they would have at least stated that organic seed is safer than conventional seed. Not only did they NOT do those things - they have since gone after other raw food products further. I will not ban this member unless I feel they have over-stepped the bounds of the group. As is, though I do not care for the sales like approach, I feel the information is at least potentially helpful to some members. I am VERY sorry if this puts anyone off. it is impossible to please everyone all of the time. I would like to get the group going on some other subject and away from the bickering. Look at my next post for something very unusual - a " sales pitch " from Sproutpeople. I may have to ban myself for it. Be well and happy! Gil Sproutpeople > > Nature's Cancer Prevention - Vitamin B17 > Have you ever heard of vitamin B17? Maybe you have heard of its > other name - Laetrile. > > Americans cannot access vitamin B17 because the FDA took it off the > market in the 1970s, and removed it from the B-Complex vitamins. It > is unlawful for any health practitioner to administer this vitamin > to patients. Apricot seeds are the best source for B17, but they > have also been removed from the shelves of every health food store > and natural market throughout the USA. Limited research has been > conducted on vitamin B17 since 1977. Once it was banned, it was > forgotten. > > According to research from years ago, provided by nutritionists and > medical scientists, vitamin B17 is a natural cyanide-containing > compound that gives up its cyanide content only in the presence of a > particular enzyme group called beta glucosidase or glucuronidase. > Miraculously, this enzyme group is found almost exclusively in > cancer cells. If found elsewhere in the body, it is accompanied by > greater quantities of another enzyme, rhodanese, which has the > ability to disable the cyanide and convert it into completely > harmless substances. Cancer tissues do not have this protecting > enzyme. > > So, according to past scientific knowledge, cancer cells are faced > with a double threat: the presence of one enzyme exposing them to > cyanide, while the absence of another enzyme found in all other > normal cells results in the cancer's failure to detoxify itself. > Leave it to nature to provide a form of cyanide that can naturally > destroy a cancer cell. The cancer cells that are unable to withstand > the cyanide are destroyed, while the non-cancerous cells are not > threatened by the cyanide, and, therefore, remain unharmed. Never > underestimate the body's potential! > > Vitamin B17 is found naturally in many foods. If you eat foods > containing vitamin B17, your body will know what to do next. All > other animals in nature instinctively do this. Consider it nature's > cancer prevention. If only modern medicine would allow it. > > San Francisco's Ernst T. Krebs, Sr., M.D. discovered the healing > qualities of vitamin B17 in 1923. His sons, Ernst T. Krebs, Jr., > PhD., and Byron Krebs, M.D. continued their father's research in > 1952, refining Laetrile's (B17) nutritional qualities. > > From their research, the Krebs believed cancer was not caused by an > outside invading force but rather by malfunctions of the normal > mechanics within the body itself. They identified cancer as > a " deficiency disease. " The body's malfunctions, according to their > research, were the result of a deficiency of certain chemicals found > in food, a deficiency of chemicals they specifically identified as > vitamin B17, as well as a deficiency of enzymes known as trypsins > produced in the pancreas. > > The Krebs had discovered a natural, drugless method to help prevent > cancer. But their discovery wasn't original. Years prior to any of > the Drs. Krebs' works, Drs. B. Wood and lin Bache, M.D. > published a reference volume in 1833 in which they described > amygdalin, derived from B17, as a common treatment for a wide range > of diseases and disorders. > > Vitamin B17 is also referred to as a nitriloside, which is the > foundation for Laetrile, amygdalin, and prunasin. Together with the > pancreatic enzyme trypsin, these can form a natural barrier against > cancer growth. If foods containing any of the nitrilosides are eaten > regularly, the body's own immune mechanisms can naturally battle > cancer-forming cells. But if foods containing these critical > vitamins are not regularly consumed (or manufactured), nature's > mechanisms can't work as effectively against the buildup of factors > at the root of cancer and the countless number of degenerative > diseases. > > This is happening to human beings today. Not only are advanced > societies environmentally polluted to dangerous levels, but also > more and more foods are being altered from their natural state by > man's own doing. Modern freeze-dried, fat-free, sugar-free, calorie- > free, weight-watchful, microwavable artificial food substitutes > don't contain nitrilosides. Most food manufacturers don't even know > what nitrilosides are. Never in human history have artificial foods > saturated with preservatives and unhealthy chemicals dominated the > food supply to the degree they do today. Modern nourishment is no > longer nourishing. > > In the late 1970's, Dr. Harold W. Manner, PhD., Chairman of the > Biology Department at Loyola University, Chicago, Illinois, studied > the overall value of Laetrile (B17). His work was well respected and > considered among the first unbiased studies since the Krebs' in the > 1920s. He reported Laetrile as being virtually non-toxic. > > When Dr. Manner used Laetrile in his medical research, along with > vitamin A and digestive enzymes, he discovered the production of > antibodies was stimulated against spontaneous breast tumors in his > laboratory mice. He studied the results of complete regression in 76 > percent of the treated mice with mammary gland cancers. > > Dr. Manner believed Laetrile received its best results when used in > conjunction with digestive enzymes, a traditional balanced diet, and > with vitamin A. > > No physician has had more clinical experience with Laetrile than > Ernesto Contreras, Sr., M.D. of the Contreras Hospital in Tijuana, > Mexico, formerly The Oasis Of Hope Hospital. Dr. Contreras has > clinically used Laetrile for more than forty years on thousands of > terminally diagnosed patients, and has received impressive results. > > One of Dr. Contreras' patients was a man suffering from severe colon > cancer. Using Laetrile treatments in conjunction with detoxification > protocols and proper vitamin supplementation, Contreras was able to > arrest the progression of his patient's cancer. The man lived more > than fifteen years beyond his predicted death. > > The following is a list of foods rich in vitamin B17: > - Watercress > - Spinach > - Bamboo sprouts > - Alfalfa sprouts > - Lentil sprouts > - Whole nuts > - Mung bean sprouts > - Ground nuts > - Garbanzo sprouts > - Apple seeds > - Apricot seeds > > LL > Better Solutions for Global Health > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 No, not at all...they are quite healthy for you. It was pertaining to a particular product line, not the natural, whole foods discussed below. --Celia-- > > So are you saying that we SHOULDN'T eat: > > > The following is a list of foods rich in vitamin B17: > > - Watercress > > - Spinach > > - Bamboo sprouts > > - Alfalfa sprouts > > - Lentil sprouts > > - Whole nuts > > - Mung bean sprouts > > - Ground nuts > > - Garbanzo sprouts > > - Apple seeds > > - Apricot seeds > > > > These were the only things I saw her promoting. > > Terri > > Re: What's in some of those sprouts you eat? > > > > > > I guess I'll look at your profile and then ban you from a group because > > your trying to sell me something through osmosis. How dare you. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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