Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 In a message dated 11/6/02 2:00:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, marilynjarz@... writes: << BTW, my dogs also like carrots, celery, and green sunflower sprouts. >> my cats love cuccumber and melon! my dog loves the birds sprouts and feed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 I agree that it is best...every dog I have seen on a BARF diet has awesome teeth, shiny coats and rarely sick. Only problem is, I have 11 dogs and feeding raw inside is a bit of a mess and I couldn't figure out any way to do it other than outside and inclement weather is going to be a problem. They eat a holisitc, organic food, only a small amount, like a cup a day and it supplemented with fresh fruits/veggies that they love...so I figured it is better than no raw at all. They all seem to be in great shap...so far. One day, if I ever get my canine populaton down to a level of maybe 5 or so, then raw will be a bit easier! Lorraine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 Do you feed the dog the bones? On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:58:01 -0800 (PST) Marilyn Jarzembski <marilynjarz@...> writes: > > I tried raw for my dogs, but I just can't deal with > all that raw meat. > > I learned to deal with all that raw meat because it is > the best thing for my dogs. I feed my 3 dogs raw > chicken backs. I get 40# of backs at a time from my > grocery store. They package them in 2# packages for me > which I keep frozen until ready. > > I like the backs because they are mostly bones, the > very thing dogs need. > > Feeding chicken backs is just as easy as feeding > kibble. And the dogs love it. Some of the health > benefits I've notice are that my dogs have no more > itching skin and their teeth look like piano keys. I > don't think dogs are meant to have grain. Makes them > have peridontal disease as they get older and every > other canine affliction. So I deal with the raw meat. > They think I am a great hunter. They don't know I am > really a sproutarian vegetarian. ;^) > > BTW, my dogs also like carrots, celery, and green > sunflower sprouts. > > Marilyn > > > > ===== > " Suffering is always the effect of wrong thought in some > direction. It is an indication that the individual is out of > harmony with himself, with the law of his being. " > --- > > _________________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 bones and all, gone in about 2 seconds! -------Original Message------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 I've tried many times.... and I keep reading that people's dogs like various veggies, and even fruits -- but mine won't touch 'em unless I cover them with dairy or meat. Is there a secret I'm missing? Do the chicken backs cost you a lot? Glad to see you say you use sprouts. Melinda > BTW, my dogs also like carrots, celery, and green > sunflower sprouts. > > Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 > Do you feed the dog the bones? I do. Scared me at first, but it's been fine. In the wild dogs would eat up those little bones. Dogs' stomach acid is about 10 x as strong as ours, to digest these things. Chewing up those little chicken bones cleans their teeth like you wouldn't believe -- so no need for the doggy dentist, anesthesia, etc. I have to leave the room, though, 'cause I can't stand the sound of all those little bones breaking -- crunch, crunch, crunch! lol! Melinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 Actually, what I do is tell them to sit, which is what they have to do to get treat, so they are all sitting in a circle, the ones that didn;'t like the fruits/veggies initially, like them only because they figure if one likes it, they don't want to miss out, so now, every dog drools when I get the knife out to cut up veggies! It is a learned habit I guess. Now, when I get a puppy, I feed them veggies/fruits in the AM, sometimes mixed with a bit of spirulina which they all love and they are hungrier in the AM. Then in the PM, they get their kibble. It seems to work, they all love fresh veggies and fruits now. It saves a bunch of money as well! Good luck -- Re: Raw food for dogs I've tried many times.... and I keep reading that people's dogs like various veggies, and even fruits -- but mine won't touch 'em unless I cover them with dairy or meat. Is there a secret I'm missing? Do the chicken backs cost you a lot? Glad to see you say you use sprouts. Melinda > BTW, my dogs also like carrots, celery, and green > sunflower sprouts. > > Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 OOOPs, forgot, you can get chicken backs at Piggly Wiggly in Wendell for .29 / lb for 20 pounds, comes in a box...you can freeze them. Dogs even love them frozen! I am sure there are specials all over Raleigh as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 > It is a learned habit I guess. Looks like you do a heck of a good sales job, Lorraine! > Now, when I get a puppy, I feed them veggies/fruits in the AM, sometimes mixed with a bit of spirulina which they all love and they are hungrier inthe AM. Then in the PM, they get their kibble. > It seems to work, they all love fresh veggies and fruits now. It saves a bunch of money as well! I'll bet! Now, I've always read that dogs can't break down the cellulose in veggies/fruits.... so that if we have a juicer that's the best appliance in the house to do it for them, so that they can digest it. But when I read about sprouts digesting themselves, then I thought that would be ideal for dogs, and I wondered why I'm not reading about people feeding their dogs sprouts on all the natural dog feeding sites. I guess they don't know? Or my guess is wrong that sprouts would be a lot easier for them to digest? Melinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 We don't have Piggly Wigglys around here, but I'll have to snoop around. Seems like slim pickins' where I live. $$$$$$$!! Melinda > OOOPs, forgot, you can get chicken backs at Piggly Wiggly in Wendell for .29 > / lb for 20 pounds, comes in a box...you can freeze them. Dogs even love > them frozen! > > I am sure there are specials all over Raleigh as well. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 Where do you live? -------Original Message------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 I have never heard/read that dogs cannot digest the cellulose in veggies fruits...I would imagine that if they can break down a huge bone, that a ripe banna would be a piece of cake! I will do some research though.....I do know that on all the BARF diets, the meats are groud up with veggies and they are not " processed " so I cannot imagine that it is any different. Interesteing concept. I'll get back to you! Thanks, Lorraine -- Re: Raw food for dogs > It is a learned habit I guess. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 I have read it many places, though I can't give you URLs, sorry; it's been a while. In the wild, a dog gets his vegetation out of the stomach of his prey. Dogs never attack a wheat field for a meal. Like say the dog kills a rabbit. He goes for the organs and the stomach contents pretty quickly. The stomach contents of the rabbit is all vegetation, but it's already partially digested by the rabbit... with the cellulose broken down. So I don't think in nature dogs NEED to break down plant matter in the same way that a plant eater would. I've always read/heard that we either need to grind the dickens out of the veggies for them, or we need to lightly steam them so that the dog can digest them. That's why I thought sprouts would be a perfect answer? Melinda > > It is a learned habit I guess. > > > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 Who? Me? Near Seattle. Melinda > Where do you live? > > -------Original Message------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 Yes, Melinda...whew, I thought this was a sort of " local " chat group....I guess not...I am in Raleigh NC! -- Re: Raw food for dogs Who? Me? Near Seattle. Melinda > Where do you live? > > -------Original Message------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 Loraine, I've been following this discussion about raw food for dogs with interest. You posted a letter from a consultant where she refers to her webpage, but I didn't see a url. Do you have that url, please? If I missed it, I'm sorry. mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 I'm just outside of Raleigh. Are we a dog and bird list now? Lorraine wrote: >Yes, Melinda...whew, I thought this was a sort of " local " chat group....I >guess not...I am in Raleigh NC! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2002 Report Share Posted November 7, 2002 sorry, no more bird/dog talk............... -- Re: Re: Raw food for dogs I'm just outside of Raleigh. Are we a dog and bird list now? Lorraine wrote: >Yes, Melinda...whew, I thought this was a sort of " local " chat group....I >guess not...I am in Raleigh NC! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2002 Report Share Posted November 7, 2002 > sorry, no more bird/dog talk............... Well, why not if it's about sprouts? (but I can see why not if it's going on to other things about dog diets) We're not hearing from a moderator here...... but I looked back at the first post ever written on this list, and it was written by the www..com folks, and they sell sprouts... so if I'm buying sprouts from them for my birds and dogs as a result of our conversations here, I'd just guess that would make them happy. Ya' think I'm off-base with that? Melinda (who doesn't want to piss people off, but just wanted to know about feeding sprouts to her WHOLE family) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2002 Report Share Posted November 7, 2002 In a message dated 11/6/02 3:55:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, clicker@... writes: << I do. Scared me at first, but it's been fine. In the wild dogs would eat up those little bones. Dogs' stomach acid is about 10 x as strong as ours, to digest these things. >> this amazes me because i remember being told NEVER to feed your dog bones because it can splinter and get caught in their throats--i guess this is a myth--i know with my parrots you can feed eclectus chicken bones--but i never have--seems like cannabalism to me! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2002 Report Share Posted November 7, 2002 In a message dated 11/6/02 4:50:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, pasofino@... writes: << I have never heard/read that dogs cannot digest the cellulose in veggies fruits... >> did you know that humans cant digest the cellulose in fruits and vegetables? thats why we have to chew them so extensively to get the most out of them...cellulose in general is one of the hardest and least permeable substances on earth and very few animals possess cellulase the enzyme needed to digest it--so we work around that... termites have it-- and thats a fact! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2002 Report Share Posted November 7, 2002 In a message dated 11/6/02 5:00:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, clicker@... writes: << Like say the dog kills a rabbit. He goes for the organs and the stomach contents pretty quickly. The stomach contents of the rabbit is all vegetation, but it's already partially digested by the rabbit... >> this is an inborn instinct in all carnivores--it doesnt mean they CANT eat vegetation when pushed to the wall--some do--it is just that because they eat meat, they do not obtain chlorophyl which is pretty much one of the most important essenses on earth for life behind water, air and blood----they eat the stomach to obtain the chlorophyl--if you look at most dogs and cats in general, they will eat grass--you think its so that they will puke, and some do, but i feed my animals wheatgrass and they love it and they dont puke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2002 Report Share Posted November 7, 2002 In a message dated 11/6/02 5:07:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, clicker@... writes: << Who? Me? >> i am in the new york area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2002 Report Share Posted November 7, 2002 In a message dated 11/7/02 1:46:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, pasofino@... writes: << sorry, no more bird/dog talk............... >> I thought we could talk about what we wanted relating to health and wellbeing and related to sprouts---i think if the topic line doesnt interest you and you see it is not related to sprouting--dont read it? is that a good idea? we were basically talking about sprouts and health and it progressed in the direction of pets--i have found some really interesting stuff out here. Are there rules that say we cant digress? I am sorry if we have upset people--i guess if people want to flesh out topics they could talk in private email--but then we wouldnt be learning so much....whatever everyone decides i guess will have to be fine with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 > this amazes me because i remember being told NEVER to feed your dog bones because it can splinter and get caught in their throats-- i guess this is a myth-- It's not a myth, just a misunderstanding here. RAW bones are good for dogs; COOKED bones can be deadly. Place a raw chicken wing and a cooked one side by side on a board. Smash them with a hammer. You will see that the cooked bone shatters into sharp pieces, while the raw bone remains pliable. NEVER feed a dog cooked bones. Raw bones are good for them -- just as they would get in nature. > i know with my parrots you can feed eclectus chicken bones--but i never have--seems like cannabalism to me! lol I never have either. I've read of crop impactions from this. Besides, I don't cook chicken in this house. I hope my birds aren't missing out on anything important, but too bad for them. lol! Melinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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