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> ok. i just copped a stash of fresh

> cinnamon sticks.

> any recomendations on a daily dose?

> TIA,

> TWH

>

What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders,

etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared

extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site

online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local

health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in

this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good

stuff, most likely . . .

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68

Vitamin Shoppee site brand :

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361

All the brands they carry :

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp?

q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main

Jerry

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I can't remember the name of the website, but it's an index of medical research

publishings regarding the safety of herbs in all their forms. I searched it for

cinnamon some time ago, and found out that it's O.K. in very small dosages

(water only), and that the oil/powder extract was proven to have poisonous

effects in humans. Apparently it is very harsh on the internal organs and also

blocks certain enzymatic functions. So I just stay away from cinnamon all

together. When I come across the site again or remember the address, I'll post

a link here.

-

jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote:

>

> ok. i just copped a stash of fresh

> cinnamon sticks.

> any recomendations on a daily dose?

> TIA,

> TWH

>

What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders,

etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared

extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site

online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local

health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in

this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good

stuff, most likely . . .

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68

Vitamin Shoppee site brand :

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361

All the brands they carry :

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp?

q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main

Jerry

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Make some Russian tea with your cinnamon sticks. UMMMM.. really nice for chilly

weather!

<bluelairess@...> wrote: I can't remember the name of the

website, but it's an index of medical research publishings regarding the safety

of herbs in all their forms. I searched it for cinnamon some time ago, and

found out that it's O.K. in very small dosages (water only), and that the

oil/powder extract was proven to have poisonous effects in humans. Apparently

it is very harsh on the internal organs and also blocks certain enzymatic

functions. So I just stay away from cinnamon all together. When I come across

the site again or remember the address, I'll post a link here.

-

jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote:

>

> ok. i just copped a stash of fresh

> cinnamon sticks.

> any recomendations on a daily dose?

> TIA,

> TWH

>

What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders,

etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared

extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site

online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local

health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in

this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good

stuff, most likely . . .

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68

Vitamin Shoppee site brand :

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361

All the brands they carry :

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp?

q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main

Jerry

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Interesting... My mother was just diagnosed as mildly diabetic, and I keep

hearing how cinnamon can be beneficial because it lowers blood sugar. Maybe

she shouldn't be using cinnamon, according to what you said...

~Deanna

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Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:46 PM

Subject: Re: Re: cinammon

I can't remember the name of the website, but it's an index of medical

research publishings regarding the safety of herbs in all their forms. I

searched it for cinnamon some time ago, and found out that it's O.K. in very

small dosages (water only), and that the oil/powder extract was proven to

have poisonous effects in humans. Apparently it is very harsh on the

internal organs and also blocks certain enzymatic functions. So I just stay

away from cinnamon all together. When I come across the site again or

remember the address, I'll post a link here.

-

jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote:

>

> ok. i just copped a stash of fresh

> cinnamon sticks.

> any recomendations on a daily dose?

> TIA,

> TWH

>

What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders,

etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared

extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site

online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local

health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in

this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good

stuff, most likely . . .

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice

<http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68> & dbid=68

Vitamin Shoppee site brand :

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361

All the brands they carry :

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp?

q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main

Jerry

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the poison dope industry has declared war on herbs.

you can find out all about it on the web.

look up the effects and side effects of even a relatively harmless

poison dope like metformin, for diabaetes. or that happy little " purple pill " .

it has side effects to give you nightmares.

i'll risk cinnamon any time.

i keep half a dozen sticks soaking in a pint of water

and take a few sips every day.

Dennis

~Deanna <DiamondGal@...> wrote:

Interesting... My mother was just diagnosed as mildly diabetic, and I keep

hearing how cinnamon can be beneficial because it lowers blood sugar. Maybe

she shouldn't be using cinnamon, according to what you said...

~Deanna

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of

Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:46 PM

Subject: Re: Re: cinammon

I can't remember the name of the website, but it's an index of medical

research publishings regarding the safety of herbs in all their forms. I

searched it for cinnamon some time ago, and found out that it's O.K. in very

small dosages (water only), and that the oil/powder extract was proven to

have poisonous effects in humans. Apparently it is very harsh on the

internal organs and also blocks certain enzymatic functions. So I just stay

away from cinnamon all together. When I come across the site again or

remember the address, I'll post a link here.

-

jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote:

>

> ok. i just copped a stash of fresh

> cinnamon sticks.

> any recomendations on a daily dose?

> TIA,

> TWH

>

What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders,

etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared

extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site

online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local

health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in

this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good

stuff, most likely . . .

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice

<http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68> & dbid=68

Vitamin Shoppee site brand :

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361

All the brands they carry :

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp?

q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main

Jerry

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Something special for DIABETICS: chia seed! Several years ago a research

group conducted studies with diabetics using chia seed and found that many were

able to wean themselves from insulin injections and regain their balance through

dietary measures. Soon afterward, chia was no longer available in the USA.

Imports were banned. Arrowhead Mills, Newman, and were

instrumental in getting the seed back into this country. It had been imported

for 17 years, prior to being banned after the research studies. If you would

like specific information on how chia is beneficial to people with blood sugar

problems, you can write to or Bill at menu4life@....

has a two page report on chia benefits for diabetics and I am sure he would be

glad to send you the information. You can also purchase the seed at

www.menu4life.com It is one of the most awesome foods for energy and survival,

as well as numerous health benefits. It also helps relieve HOT

FLASHES< CONSTIPATION< HYDRATION (used it in place of IV for my sick kitty

when she could not hold down food) . Go to the website and learn all about it.

And tell them Rootdoctor sent you.

~Deanna <DiamondGal@...> wrote: Interesting... My mother was just

diagnosed as mildly diabetic, and I keep

hearing how cinnamon can be beneficial because it lowers blood sugar. Maybe

she shouldn't be using cinnamon, according to what you said...

~Deanna

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of

Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:46 PM

Subject: Re: Re: cinammon

I can't remember the name of the website, but it's an index of medical

research publishings regarding the safety of herbs in all their forms. I

searched it for cinnamon some time ago, and found out that it's O.K. in very

small dosages (water only), and that the oil/powder extract was proven to

have poisonous effects in humans. Apparently it is very harsh on the

internal organs and also blocks certain enzymatic functions. So I just stay

away from cinnamon all together. When I come across the site again or

remember the address, I'll post a link here.

-

jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote:

>

> ok. i just copped a stash of fresh

> cinnamon sticks.

> any recomendations on a daily dose?

> TIA,

> TWH

>

What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders,

etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared

extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site

online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local

health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in

this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good

stuff, most likely . . .

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice

<http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68> & dbid=68

Vitamin Shoppee site brand :

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361

All the brands they carry :

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp?

q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main

Jerry

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I haven't researched CHIA seeds, but I did read and enjoyed the book :

Shameless Exploitation in Pursuit of the Common Good : The Madcap

Business Adventure by the Truly Oddest Couple

Incidentally, the Newman/Joanne Woodward " The Glass Menagerie "

is splendid, superb, etc. Something to be proud of,

their " Menagerie " . Much better than the Hepburn (poor

in that production of it) version, which I also have (waste

of DVD money, I'd have to say).

I tend to ramble on and on. I see there's a Newman cookbook,

too. Well, maybe next time I'm at the bookstore I'll look. Nice to

hear his concerns include chia seeds.

Anyhow, I'm boderline -- 118 and 126 is mandatory insulin (blood test

results during general physical exam).

But I'll tell ya, the " Vitamin Shoppe " cinnamon extract does help. I

can tell I use blood sugar more effectively with it as I exercise

regularly at a fitness center. I don't usually use the two per

day. Only one. (Half price, eh ?) But I am starting to do two of

them per day and there is a benefit from doing the two. The

directions SAYS two, it does.

I haven't really researched any negatives here; it seems to make an

improvement. I notice sluggishness in the muscles and general body

if I stay off the cinnamon (water) extract -- so, personally, I think

it's good enuf.

Thx again for the update on chia.

Incidentally, a number of people I know hemmed and hawed over

recommending KING KONG -- but they ALL without exception " threw up

their hands " and said a resounding " YES " . A couple of people told me

to " Please, go see this great film " . A good movie and also a very

excellent " film " (with meaning and depth, etc.). A very " un-wordy "

message for us all in there somewhere along the line. A " groaner "

movie, it's the old KK and the modern version, both.

I'm no fan of this story because it's really a Hollywood " sell " from

times gone by. The story is not one that would be written as a movie

script in modern times -- so it has a natural, boring drag, BUT.

One great job. I've seen it twice, I was intrigued with the thinking

that went into the making of this " art film " . The colors are

spectacular, modern art or poetry in motion, perhaps. Way YES is

what you will leave the theater with.

It's disappearing from theaters. It came out in mid-December.

Run, don't walk.

King Kong.

Keep smilin'

Jerry in PA

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Moderators are gonna flag you for the movie reviews. the way you rant on...were

you an extra or something?

jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote: I haven't researched CHIA seeds, but I did

read and enjoyed the book :

Shameless Exploitation in Pursuit of the Common Good : The Madcap

Business Adventure by the Truly Oddest Couple

Incidentally, the Newman/Joanne Woodward " The Glass Menagerie "

is splendid, superb, etc. Something to be proud of,

their " Menagerie " . Much better than the Hepburn (poor

in that production of it) version, which I also have (waste

of DVD money, I'd have to say).

I tend to ramble on and on. I see there's a Newman cookbook,

too. Well, maybe next time I'm at the bookstore I'll look. Nice to

hear his concerns include chia seeds.

Anyhow, I'm boderline -- 118 and 126 is mandatory insulin (blood test

results during general physical exam).

But I'll tell ya, the " Vitamin Shoppe " cinnamon extract does help. I

can tell I use blood sugar more effectively with it as I exercise

regularly at a fitness center. I don't usually use the two per

day. Only one. (Half price, eh ?) But I am starting to do two of

them per day and there is a benefit from doing the two. The

directions SAYS two, it does.

I haven't really researched any negatives here; it seems to make an

improvement. I notice sluggishness in the muscles and general body

if I stay off the cinnamon (water) extract -- so, personally, I think

it's good enuf.

Thx again for the update on chia.

Incidentally, a number of people I know hemmed and hawed over

recommending KING KONG -- but they ALL without exception " threw up

their hands " and said a resounding " YES " . A couple of people told me

to " Please, go see this great film " . A good movie and also a very

excellent " film " (with meaning and depth, etc.). A very " un-wordy "

message for us all in there somewhere along the line. A " groaner "

movie, it's the old KK and the modern version, both.

I'm no fan of this story because it's really a Hollywood " sell " from

times gone by. The story is not one that would be written as a movie

script in modern times -- so it has a natural, boring drag, BUT.

One great job. I've seen it twice, I was intrigued with the thinking

that went into the making of this " art film " . The colors are

spectacular, modern art or poetry in motion, perhaps. Way YES is

what you will leave the theater with.

It's disappearing from theaters. It came out in mid-December.

Run, don't walk.

King Kong.

Keep smilin'

Jerry in PA

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Deanna,

I'm not a doctor (yet), but I do a lot of research, and from what I remember

about the info on this site about cinnamon, the water extract is the safest.

And if your mom's doing well with that and doesn't appear to have any rude side

effects, it may be all the better for her to partake.

As I understand food allergies, they occur in individuals who are

genetically/biologically sensitive to whatever compound in that food. So in my

own reasoning, with the knowledge of raw foodism, the major food sensitivities

that most people report - soy, peanuts, shellfish, etc. - are food sensitivities

TO SOME DEGREE for ALL INDIVIDUALS, to be safe. I figure that some people are

just more sensitive than others. You know, one person's throat will swell up or

what not, while another person will unknowingly experience mild yet still not

healthy inflammation at the cellular level.

-

~Deanna <DiamondGal@...> wrote:

Interesting... My mother was just diagnosed as mildly diabetic, and I keep

hearing how cinnamon can be beneficial because it lowers blood sugar. Maybe

she shouldn't be using cinnamon, according to what you said...

~Deanna

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of

Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:46 PM

Subject: Re: Re: cinammon

I can't remember the name of the website, but it's an index of medical

research publishings regarding the safety of herbs in all their forms. I

searched it for cinnamon some time ago, and found out that it's O.K. in very

small dosages (water only), and that the oil/powder extract was proven to

have poisonous effects in humans. Apparently it is very harsh on the

internal organs and also blocks certain enzymatic functions. So I just stay

away from cinnamon all together. When I come across the site again or

remember the address, I'll post a link here.

-

jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote:

>

> ok. i just copped a stash of fresh

> cinnamon sticks.

> any recomendations on a daily dose?

> TIA,

> TWH

>

What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders,

etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared

extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site

online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local

health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in

this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good

stuff, most likely . . .

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice

<http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68> & dbid=68

Vitamin Shoppee site brand :

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361

All the brands they carry :

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp?

q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main

Jerry

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It can't be all that bad. The government site shows that they do even sell

the oil extract (for food purposes). So it must be approved for consumption

as a food (near the bottom, excerpt below).

I wish I had more time to research lately. Some day soon. Have a nice

dway, insidentillie.

" That could be an important side benefit, " notes . " Other studies

have shown that antioxidant supplements can reduce or slow the progression of

various complications of diabetes. "

MHCP is the first chalcone, a type of polyphenol or flavonoid, reported in

cinnamon. MHCP and other active compounds are water soluble and are not found

in the spice oils sold as food additives.

pointed out that the water extract reduced blood pressure in

hypertensive rats even before it increased insulin sensitivity. And compounds in

a

water extract are less likely to be toxic in large doses than those in an oil

extract, he says.—By Judy McBride, Agricultural Research Service Information

Staff.

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well, it says that the oil extract is sold as food

so to me, that means that it can be sold as food, i.e., that it is consumed

as food

apparently there's no danger of using cinnamon as food, but there could be

if you consume quantities of the oil (that sounds like JUST the actual oil

contained in cinnamon, not a cinnamon flavored cooking oil -- most site are not

very specific of what they mean by " oil " from cinnamon)

anyway, I couldn't find an official warning against its use

since it is amongst the most commonly used spices worldwide, there should be

plenty of info about this (delicious) food

lol

plus there are apparently around 100 varieties of the cinnamon plant/tree

that's a lot

maybe there's some really " dangerous " ones -- just like some mushrooms can

be eaten, some are toxic/poisonous

i never even heard of cinnamon OIL being used until someone asked about the

extract -- and since I happened to find it works for me, I responded and

started researching more about the whole world of cinnamon

very interesting

many of us have said this, but you can really learn a few things by

participating in this group

thx all

keep smilin

J in PA

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Just ordered chia seed from www.sunorganicfarm.com. Thanks for the info.

>From: magnolia filbert <rootdoctor2002@...>

>Date: Tue Feb 07 17:05:37 CST 2006

>

>Subject: RE: Re: cinammon

>Something special for DIABETICS: chia seed! Several years ago a research

group conducted studies with diabetics using chia seed and found that many were

able to wean themselves from insulin injections and regain their balance through

dietary measures. Soon afterward, chia was no longer available in the USA.

Imports were banned. Arrowhead Mills, Newman, and were

instrumental in getting the seed back into this country. It had been imported

for 17 years, prior to being banned after the research studies. If you would

like specific information on how chia is beneficial to people with blood sugar

problems, you can write to or Bill at menu4life@....

has a two page report on chia benefits for diabetics and I am sure he would be

glad to send you the information. You can also purchase the seed at

www.menu4life.com It is one of the most awesome foods for energy and survival,

as well as numerous health benefits. It also helps relieve HOT

> FLASHES< CONSTIPATION< HYDRATION (used it in place of IV for my sick kitty

when she could not hold down food) . Go to the website and learn all about it.

And tell them Rootdoctor sent you.

>

>~Deanna <DiamondGal@...> wrote: Interesting... My mother was just

diagnosed as mildly diabetic, and I keep

>hearing how cinnamon can be beneficial because it lowers blood sugar. Maybe

>she shouldn't be using cinnamon, according to what you said...

>

>~Deanna

>

>

> _____

>

>From: [mailto: ] On

>Behalf Of

>Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:46 PM

>

>Subject: Re: Re: cinammon

>

>

>I can't remember the name of the website, but it's an index of medical

>research publishings regarding the safety of herbs in all their forms. I

>searched it for cinnamon some time ago, and found out that it's O.K. in very

>small dosages (water only), and that the oil/powder extract was proven to

>have poisonous effects in humans. Apparently it is very harsh on the

>internal organs and also blocks certain enzymatic functions. So I just stay

>away from cinnamon all together. When I come across the site again or

>remember the address, I'll post a link here.

> -

>

>jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> ok. i just copped a stash of fresh

>> cinnamon sticks.

>> any recomendations on a daily dose?

>> TIA,

>> TWH

>>

>What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders,

>etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared

>extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site

>online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local

>health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in

>this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good

>stuff, most likely . . .

>

>http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm

>

>http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice

><http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68> & dbid=68

>

>

>

>Vitamin Shoppee site brand :

>

>http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361

>

>

>All the brands they carry :

>

>http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp?

>q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main

>

>

>Jerry

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Thank you for clarifying the type of enzymatic blocking of cinnamon. That site

I read the info from was very general about the results of the cinnamon studies

in particular, whereas study results of other herbs were scientifically detailed

and conclusive. That's what's frustrating about second-hand research on our

level; discovering that we have to find other pieces of the puzzle, put them

together, and then still try to comprehend the incomplete picture. I'm happy

this egroup exists so we can put our heads together!

Thanks for the " WHFOODS " link; I'm surprised this page hasn't turned up for me

during any of my past searches nor as a link on other similar pages.

jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote:

the enzyme block is one that is a benefit, one that would prevent the

process of sugar being used

see the " WHFOODS " site for an explanation :

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68

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My question now is (I'm reading through all the links you guys have provided to

hopefully find out), how to prepare by myself a water extract of the beneficial

cinnamon compound MHCP without consuming any of the oils that might float off

the cinnamon stick.

jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote:

the enzyme block is one that is a benefit, one that would prevent the

process of sugar being used

see the " WHFOODS " site for an explanation :

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68

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i carefully fill my glass jar of cinammon/water mix to the very top

so it has a positive meniscus and then carefully lay something absorbent

over the top since that's where the oils will be.

Dennis

<bluelairess@...> wrote:

My question now is (I'm reading through all the links you guys have provided

to hopefully find out), how to prepare by myself a water extract of the

beneficial cinnamon compound MHCP without consuming any of the oils that might

float off the cinnamon stick.

jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote:

the enzyme block is one that is a benefit, one that would prevent the

process of sugar being used

see the " WHFOODS " site for an explanation :

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68

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I remember a few years back when there was a scare about eating sprouts and all

the harmful bacteria they harbored, just like the more recent scare about eating

raw scallions.

I firmly believe that everytime something comes out that is believed to be

healthy there will be some " Self-interest " group or politicians who need to fund

a study to dispute the finding.

Everything in moderation and don't believe all the hype and hysterical claims.

Roy

Jertoons@... wrote:

It can't be all that bad. The government site shows that they do even sell

the oil extract (for food purposes). So it must be approved for consumption

as a food (near the bottom, excerpt below).

I wish I had more time to research lately. Some day soon. Have a nice

dway, insidentillie.

" That could be an important side benefit, " notes . " Other studies

have shown that antioxidant supplements can reduce or slow the progression of

various complications of diabetes. "

MHCP is the first chalcone, a type of polyphenol or flavonoid, reported in

cinnamon. MHCP and other active compounds are water soluble and are not found

in the spice oils sold as food additives.

pointed out that the water extract reduced blood pressure in

hypertensive rats even before it increased insulin sensitivity. And compounds in

a

water extract are less likely to be toxic in large doses than those in an oil

extract, he says.—By Judy McBride, Agricultural Research Service Information

Staff.

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I will try this. How big of a jar, how many cinammon sticks, do you

do. How long should it soak. Temperature of water. Did you experiment

or find a recipe. thanks for any info you can give. Diane

The Wrong Hands wrote:

>i carefully fill my glass jar of cinammon/water mix to the very top

> so it has a positive meniscus and then carefully lay something absorbent

> over the top since that's where the oils will be.

> Dennis

>

>

> <bluelairess@...> wrote:

> My question now is (I'm reading through all the links you guys have provided

to hopefully find out), how to prepare by myself a water extract of the

beneficial cinnamon compound MHCP without consuming any of the oils that might

float off the cinnamon stick.

>

>jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote:

> the enzyme block is one that is a benefit, one that would prevent the

>process of sugar being used

>

>see the " WHFOODS " site for an explanation :

>

>http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm

>

>http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68

>

>

>

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So funny you copy/pasted that exerpt (way) below - I was just about to do the

same thing because it's a great summary!

But - nowhere do I see that what you stated,

" It can't be all that bad. The government site shows that they do even sell

the oil extract (for food purposes). So it must be approved for consumption as

a food "

is supported! ??? All it does say is that

" ...compounds in a water extract are less likely to be toxic in large doses

than those in an oil extract... "

which to me still means that oil extracts are toxic. I am VERY, VERY cautious

when it comes to the government! In my opinion, they hide their heads in the

sand when it comes to long-term public health safety of foods that they have

already approved 'safe' for public consumption. For example, you won't find

them warning the public of the long-term effects (like heart disease) from the

consumption of milk products, even though it is factual that many people have

serious allergies or sensitivities/lactose intolerance. You probably already

understand that this is because they've been making lots of money off the dairy

industry. Cow's milk is not beneficial for anybody, as many credible studies

have proven, yet they PROMOTE the consumption of it. Same thing with the

man-made food additive, partially hydrogenated oil. They approved of it, only

to now learn of the long-term side effects (obesity, etc.). Finally they are at

least requiring the snack food manufacturers to clearly

label on their packaging that the food product contains the ingredient.

I could go on and on, but I believe my point has been made. Sorry for the

long rant!

Jertoons@... wrote:

It can't be all that bad. The government site shows that they do even sell

the oil extract (for food purposes). So it must be approved for consumption

as a food (near the bottom, excerpt below).

I wish I had more time to research lately. Some day soon. Have a nice

dway, insidentillie.

" That could be an important side benefit, " notes . " Other studies

have shown that antioxidant supplements can reduce or slow the progression of

various complications of diabetes. "

MHCP is the first chalcone, a type of polyphenol or flavonoid, reported in

cinnamon. MHCP and other active compounds are water soluble and are not found

in the spice oils sold as food additives.

pointed out that the water extract reduced blood pressure in

hypertensive rats even before it increased insulin sensitivity. And compounds in

a

water extract are less likely to be toxic in large doses than those in an oil

extract, he says.—By Judy McBride, Agricultural Research Service Information

Staff.

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Jerry,

Good point about the 100 or so varieties of cinnamon in relation to probable

toxicity as compared to the different varieties of mushrooms being either safe

or toxic.

After clicking on the following link, scroll down to " adverse effects " to read

some safety data:

http://www.herbmed.org/viewherb.asp?varHerb_ID=96

(I'm now remembering that it's excessive exposure to the herb - in all of its

forms - that's bad, like if you're in direct contact with the manufacturing of

large quantities of it or if you're seriously addicted to chewing cinnamon gum

(it's the aldehydes in this form)).

The following link is to a cached page in which you'll have to scroll down

more than halfway to arrive at the blue highlighted term, cinnamon. Only the

bark and leaf oils are listed as toxic:

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:E326xQG7TyAJ:www.ameliaww.com/fpin/FragMatT\

ox.htm+raw+cinnamon+oil+OR+oils+OR+toxicity+OR+toxic & hl=en & gl=us & ct=clnk & cd=3 & lr\

=lang_en

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Jertoons@... wrote:

well, it says that the oil extract is sold as food

so to me, that means that it can be sold as food, i.e., that it is consumed

as food

apparently there's no danger of using cinnamon as food, but there could be

if you consume quantities of the oil (that sounds like JUST the actual oil

contained in cinnamon, not a cinnamon flavored cooking oil -- most site are not

very specific of what they mean by " oil " from cinnamon)

anyway, I couldn't find an official warning against its use

since it is amongst the most commonly used spices worldwide, there should be

plenty of info about this (delicious) food

lol

plus there are apparently around 100 varieties of the cinnamon plant/tree

that's a lot

maybe there's some really " dangerous " ones -- just like some mushrooms can

be eaten, some are toxic/poisonous

i never even heard of cinnamon OIL being used until someone asked about the

extract -- and since I happened to find it works for me, I responded and

started researching more about the whole world of cinnamon

very interesting

many of us have said this, but you can really learn a few things by

participating in this group

thx all

keep smilin

J in PA

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