Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 > > ok. i just copped a stash of fresh > cinnamon sticks. > any recomendations on a daily dose? > TIA, > TWH > What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders, etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good stuff, most likely . . . http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68 Vitamin Shoppee site brand : http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361 All the brands they carry : http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp? q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 I can't remember the name of the website, but it's an index of medical research publishings regarding the safety of herbs in all their forms. I searched it for cinnamon some time ago, and found out that it's O.K. in very small dosages (water only), and that the oil/powder extract was proven to have poisonous effects in humans. Apparently it is very harsh on the internal organs and also blocks certain enzymatic functions. So I just stay away from cinnamon all together. When I come across the site again or remember the address, I'll post a link here. - jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote: > > ok. i just copped a stash of fresh > cinnamon sticks. > any recomendations on a daily dose? > TIA, > TWH > What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders, etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good stuff, most likely . . . http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68 Vitamin Shoppee site brand : http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361 All the brands they carry : http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp? q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Make some Russian tea with your cinnamon sticks. UMMMM.. really nice for chilly weather! <bluelairess@...> wrote: I can't remember the name of the website, but it's an index of medical research publishings regarding the safety of herbs in all their forms. I searched it for cinnamon some time ago, and found out that it's O.K. in very small dosages (water only), and that the oil/powder extract was proven to have poisonous effects in humans. Apparently it is very harsh on the internal organs and also blocks certain enzymatic functions. So I just stay away from cinnamon all together. When I come across the site again or remember the address, I'll post a link here. - jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote: > > ok. i just copped a stash of fresh > cinnamon sticks. > any recomendations on a daily dose? > TIA, > TWH > What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders, etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good stuff, most likely . . . http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68 Vitamin Shoppee site brand : http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361 All the brands they carry : http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp? q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Interesting... My mother was just diagnosed as mildly diabetic, and I keep hearing how cinnamon can be beneficial because it lowers blood sugar. Maybe she shouldn't be using cinnamon, according to what you said... ~Deanna _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: Re: Re: cinammon I can't remember the name of the website, but it's an index of medical research publishings regarding the safety of herbs in all their forms. I searched it for cinnamon some time ago, and found out that it's O.K. in very small dosages (water only), and that the oil/powder extract was proven to have poisonous effects in humans. Apparently it is very harsh on the internal organs and also blocks certain enzymatic functions. So I just stay away from cinnamon all together. When I come across the site again or remember the address, I'll post a link here. - jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote: > > ok. i just copped a stash of fresh > cinnamon sticks. > any recomendations on a daily dose? > TIA, > TWH > What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders, etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good stuff, most likely . . . http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice <http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68> & dbid=68 Vitamin Shoppee site brand : http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361 All the brands they carry : http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp? q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 the poison dope industry has declared war on herbs. you can find out all about it on the web. look up the effects and side effects of even a relatively harmless poison dope like metformin, for diabaetes. or that happy little " purple pill " . it has side effects to give you nightmares. i'll risk cinnamon any time. i keep half a dozen sticks soaking in a pint of water and take a few sips every day. Dennis ~Deanna <DiamondGal@...> wrote: Interesting... My mother was just diagnosed as mildly diabetic, and I keep hearing how cinnamon can be beneficial because it lowers blood sugar. Maybe she shouldn't be using cinnamon, according to what you said... ~Deanna _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: Re: Re: cinammon I can't remember the name of the website, but it's an index of medical research publishings regarding the safety of herbs in all their forms. I searched it for cinnamon some time ago, and found out that it's O.K. in very small dosages (water only), and that the oil/powder extract was proven to have poisonous effects in humans. Apparently it is very harsh on the internal organs and also blocks certain enzymatic functions. So I just stay away from cinnamon all together. When I come across the site again or remember the address, I'll post a link here. - jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote: > > ok. i just copped a stash of fresh > cinnamon sticks. > any recomendations on a daily dose? > TIA, > TWH > What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders, etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good stuff, most likely . . . http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice <http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68> & dbid=68 Vitamin Shoppee site brand : http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361 All the brands they carry : http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp? q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Something special for DIABETICS: chia seed! Several years ago a research group conducted studies with diabetics using chia seed and found that many were able to wean themselves from insulin injections and regain their balance through dietary measures. Soon afterward, chia was no longer available in the USA. Imports were banned. Arrowhead Mills, Newman, and were instrumental in getting the seed back into this country. It had been imported for 17 years, prior to being banned after the research studies. If you would like specific information on how chia is beneficial to people with blood sugar problems, you can write to or Bill at menu4life@.... has a two page report on chia benefits for diabetics and I am sure he would be glad to send you the information. You can also purchase the seed at www.menu4life.com It is one of the most awesome foods for energy and survival, as well as numerous health benefits. It also helps relieve HOT FLASHES< CONSTIPATION< HYDRATION (used it in place of IV for my sick kitty when she could not hold down food) . Go to the website and learn all about it. And tell them Rootdoctor sent you. ~Deanna <DiamondGal@...> wrote: Interesting... My mother was just diagnosed as mildly diabetic, and I keep hearing how cinnamon can be beneficial because it lowers blood sugar. Maybe she shouldn't be using cinnamon, according to what you said... ~Deanna _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: Re: Re: cinammon I can't remember the name of the website, but it's an index of medical research publishings regarding the safety of herbs in all their forms. I searched it for cinnamon some time ago, and found out that it's O.K. in very small dosages (water only), and that the oil/powder extract was proven to have poisonous effects in humans. Apparently it is very harsh on the internal organs and also blocks certain enzymatic functions. So I just stay away from cinnamon all together. When I come across the site again or remember the address, I'll post a link here. - jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote: > > ok. i just copped a stash of fresh > cinnamon sticks. > any recomendations on a daily dose? > TIA, > TWH > What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders, etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good stuff, most likely . . . http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice <http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68> & dbid=68 Vitamin Shoppee site brand : http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361 All the brands they carry : http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp? q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 I haven't researched CHIA seeds, but I did read and enjoyed the book : Shameless Exploitation in Pursuit of the Common Good : The Madcap Business Adventure by the Truly Oddest Couple Incidentally, the Newman/Joanne Woodward " The Glass Menagerie " is splendid, superb, etc. Something to be proud of, their " Menagerie " . Much better than the Hepburn (poor in that production of it) version, which I also have (waste of DVD money, I'd have to say). I tend to ramble on and on. I see there's a Newman cookbook, too. Well, maybe next time I'm at the bookstore I'll look. Nice to hear his concerns include chia seeds. Anyhow, I'm boderline -- 118 and 126 is mandatory insulin (blood test results during general physical exam). But I'll tell ya, the " Vitamin Shoppe " cinnamon extract does help. I can tell I use blood sugar more effectively with it as I exercise regularly at a fitness center. I don't usually use the two per day. Only one. (Half price, eh ?) But I am starting to do two of them per day and there is a benefit from doing the two. The directions SAYS two, it does. I haven't really researched any negatives here; it seems to make an improvement. I notice sluggishness in the muscles and general body if I stay off the cinnamon (water) extract -- so, personally, I think it's good enuf. Thx again for the update on chia. Incidentally, a number of people I know hemmed and hawed over recommending KING KONG -- but they ALL without exception " threw up their hands " and said a resounding " YES " . A couple of people told me to " Please, go see this great film " . A good movie and also a very excellent " film " (with meaning and depth, etc.). A very " un-wordy " message for us all in there somewhere along the line. A " groaner " movie, it's the old KK and the modern version, both. I'm no fan of this story because it's really a Hollywood " sell " from times gone by. The story is not one that would be written as a movie script in modern times -- so it has a natural, boring drag, BUT. One great job. I've seen it twice, I was intrigued with the thinking that went into the making of this " art film " . The colors are spectacular, modern art or poetry in motion, perhaps. Way YES is what you will leave the theater with. It's disappearing from theaters. It came out in mid-December. Run, don't walk. King Kong. Keep smilin' Jerry in PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Moderators are gonna flag you for the movie reviews. the way you rant on...were you an extra or something? jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote: I haven't researched CHIA seeds, but I did read and enjoyed the book : Shameless Exploitation in Pursuit of the Common Good : The Madcap Business Adventure by the Truly Oddest Couple Incidentally, the Newman/Joanne Woodward " The Glass Menagerie " is splendid, superb, etc. Something to be proud of, their " Menagerie " . Much better than the Hepburn (poor in that production of it) version, which I also have (waste of DVD money, I'd have to say). I tend to ramble on and on. I see there's a Newman cookbook, too. Well, maybe next time I'm at the bookstore I'll look. Nice to hear his concerns include chia seeds. Anyhow, I'm boderline -- 118 and 126 is mandatory insulin (blood test results during general physical exam). But I'll tell ya, the " Vitamin Shoppe " cinnamon extract does help. I can tell I use blood sugar more effectively with it as I exercise regularly at a fitness center. I don't usually use the two per day. Only one. (Half price, eh ?) But I am starting to do two of them per day and there is a benefit from doing the two. The directions SAYS two, it does. I haven't really researched any negatives here; it seems to make an improvement. I notice sluggishness in the muscles and general body if I stay off the cinnamon (water) extract -- so, personally, I think it's good enuf. Thx again for the update on chia. Incidentally, a number of people I know hemmed and hawed over recommending KING KONG -- but they ALL without exception " threw up their hands " and said a resounding " YES " . A couple of people told me to " Please, go see this great film " . A good movie and also a very excellent " film " (with meaning and depth, etc.). A very " un-wordy " message for us all in there somewhere along the line. A " groaner " movie, it's the old KK and the modern version, both. I'm no fan of this story because it's really a Hollywood " sell " from times gone by. The story is not one that would be written as a movie script in modern times -- so it has a natural, boring drag, BUT. One great job. I've seen it twice, I was intrigued with the thinking that went into the making of this " art film " . The colors are spectacular, modern art or poetry in motion, perhaps. Way YES is what you will leave the theater with. It's disappearing from theaters. It came out in mid-December. Run, don't walk. King Kong. Keep smilin' Jerry in PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Deanna, I'm not a doctor (yet), but I do a lot of research, and from what I remember about the info on this site about cinnamon, the water extract is the safest. And if your mom's doing well with that and doesn't appear to have any rude side effects, it may be all the better for her to partake. As I understand food allergies, they occur in individuals who are genetically/biologically sensitive to whatever compound in that food. So in my own reasoning, with the knowledge of raw foodism, the major food sensitivities that most people report - soy, peanuts, shellfish, etc. - are food sensitivities TO SOME DEGREE for ALL INDIVIDUALS, to be safe. I figure that some people are just more sensitive than others. You know, one person's throat will swell up or what not, while another person will unknowingly experience mild yet still not healthy inflammation at the cellular level. - ~Deanna <DiamondGal@...> wrote: Interesting... My mother was just diagnosed as mildly diabetic, and I keep hearing how cinnamon can be beneficial because it lowers blood sugar. Maybe she shouldn't be using cinnamon, according to what you said... ~Deanna _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: Re: Re: cinammon I can't remember the name of the website, but it's an index of medical research publishings regarding the safety of herbs in all their forms. I searched it for cinnamon some time ago, and found out that it's O.K. in very small dosages (water only), and that the oil/powder extract was proven to have poisonous effects in humans. Apparently it is very harsh on the internal organs and also blocks certain enzymatic functions. So I just stay away from cinnamon all together. When I come across the site again or remember the address, I'll post a link here. - jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote: > > ok. i just copped a stash of fresh > cinnamon sticks. > any recomendations on a daily dose? > TIA, > TWH > What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders, etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good stuff, most likely . . . http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice <http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68> & dbid=68 Vitamin Shoppee site brand : http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361 All the brands they carry : http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp? q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main Jerry --------------------------------- Relax. virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 It can't be all that bad. The government site shows that they do even sell the oil extract (for food purposes). So it must be approved for consumption as a food (near the bottom, excerpt below). I wish I had more time to research lately. Some day soon. Have a nice dway, insidentillie. " That could be an important side benefit, " notes . " Other studies have shown that antioxidant supplements can reduce or slow the progression of various complications of diabetes. " MHCP is the first chalcone, a type of polyphenol or flavonoid, reported in cinnamon. MHCP and other active compounds are water soluble and are not found in the spice oils sold as food additives. pointed out that the water extract reduced blood pressure in hypertensive rats even before it increased insulin sensitivity. And compounds in a water extract are less likely to be toxic in large doses than those in an oil extract, he says.—By Judy McBride, Agricultural Research Service Information Staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 well, it says that the oil extract is sold as food so to me, that means that it can be sold as food, i.e., that it is consumed as food apparently there's no danger of using cinnamon as food, but there could be if you consume quantities of the oil (that sounds like JUST the actual oil contained in cinnamon, not a cinnamon flavored cooking oil -- most site are not very specific of what they mean by " oil " from cinnamon) anyway, I couldn't find an official warning against its use since it is amongst the most commonly used spices worldwide, there should be plenty of info about this (delicious) food lol plus there are apparently around 100 varieties of the cinnamon plant/tree that's a lot maybe there's some really " dangerous " ones -- just like some mushrooms can be eaten, some are toxic/poisonous i never even heard of cinnamon OIL being used until someone asked about the extract -- and since I happened to find it works for me, I responded and started researching more about the whole world of cinnamon very interesting many of us have said this, but you can really learn a few things by participating in this group thx all keep smilin J in PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Just ordered chia seed from www.sunorganicfarm.com. Thanks for the info. >From: magnolia filbert <rootdoctor2002@...> >Date: Tue Feb 07 17:05:37 CST 2006 > >Subject: RE: Re: cinammon >Something special for DIABETICS: chia seed! Several years ago a research group conducted studies with diabetics using chia seed and found that many were able to wean themselves from insulin injections and regain their balance through dietary measures. Soon afterward, chia was no longer available in the USA. Imports were banned. Arrowhead Mills, Newman, and were instrumental in getting the seed back into this country. It had been imported for 17 years, prior to being banned after the research studies. If you would like specific information on how chia is beneficial to people with blood sugar problems, you can write to or Bill at menu4life@.... has a two page report on chia benefits for diabetics and I am sure he would be glad to send you the information. You can also purchase the seed at www.menu4life.com It is one of the most awesome foods for energy and survival, as well as numerous health benefits. It also helps relieve HOT > FLASHES< CONSTIPATION< HYDRATION (used it in place of IV for my sick kitty when she could not hold down food) . Go to the website and learn all about it. And tell them Rootdoctor sent you. > >~Deanna <DiamondGal@...> wrote: Interesting... My mother was just diagnosed as mildly diabetic, and I keep >hearing how cinnamon can be beneficial because it lowers blood sugar. Maybe >she shouldn't be using cinnamon, according to what you said... > >~Deanna > > > _____ > >From: [mailto: ] On >Behalf Of >Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:46 PM > >Subject: Re: Re: cinammon > > >I can't remember the name of the website, but it's an index of medical >research publishings regarding the safety of herbs in all their forms. I >searched it for cinnamon some time ago, and found out that it's O.K. in very >small dosages (water only), and that the oil/powder extract was proven to >have poisonous effects in humans. Apparently it is very harsh on the >internal organs and also blocks certain enzymatic functions. So I just stay >away from cinnamon all together. When I come across the site again or >remember the address, I'll post a link here. > - > >jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote: > >> >> ok. i just copped a stash of fresh >> cinnamon sticks. >> any recomendations on a daily dose? >> TIA, >> TWH >> >What I read was that you can't get the benefits from sticks, powders, >etc. OR oil extracts/flavorings. You must have the water prepared >extract. Please read these two, then see the Vitamin Shoppe site >online to see the major brands that sell this. Stop in your local >health store next time you pass by and mention you are interested in >this -- they'll smile and take you by the arm and all that good >stuff, most likely . . . > >http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm > >http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice ><http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68> & dbid=68 > > > >Vitamin Shoppee site brand : > >http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2361 > > >All the brands they carry : > >http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/query.jsp? >q=cinnamon+extract & intsource=main > > >Jerry > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Thank you for clarifying the type of enzymatic blocking of cinnamon. That site I read the info from was very general about the results of the cinnamon studies in particular, whereas study results of other herbs were scientifically detailed and conclusive. That's what's frustrating about second-hand research on our level; discovering that we have to find other pieces of the puzzle, put them together, and then still try to comprehend the incomplete picture. I'm happy this egroup exists so we can put our heads together! Thanks for the " WHFOODS " link; I'm surprised this page hasn't turned up for me during any of my past searches nor as a link on other similar pages. jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote: the enzyme block is one that is a benefit, one that would prevent the process of sugar being used see the " WHFOODS " site for an explanation : http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 My question now is (I'm reading through all the links you guys have provided to hopefully find out), how to prepare by myself a water extract of the beneficial cinnamon compound MHCP without consuming any of the oils that might float off the cinnamon stick. jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote: the enzyme block is one that is a benefit, one that would prevent the process of sugar being used see the " WHFOODS " site for an explanation : http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 i carefully fill my glass jar of cinammon/water mix to the very top so it has a positive meniscus and then carefully lay something absorbent over the top since that's where the oils will be. Dennis <bluelairess@...> wrote: My question now is (I'm reading through all the links you guys have provided to hopefully find out), how to prepare by myself a water extract of the beneficial cinnamon compound MHCP without consuming any of the oils that might float off the cinnamon stick. jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote: the enzyme block is one that is a benefit, one that would prevent the process of sugar being used see the " WHFOODS " site for an explanation : http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 I remember a few years back when there was a scare about eating sprouts and all the harmful bacteria they harbored, just like the more recent scare about eating raw scallions. I firmly believe that everytime something comes out that is believed to be healthy there will be some " Self-interest " group or politicians who need to fund a study to dispute the finding. Everything in moderation and don't believe all the hype and hysterical claims. Roy Jertoons@... wrote: It can't be all that bad. The government site shows that they do even sell the oil extract (for food purposes). So it must be approved for consumption as a food (near the bottom, excerpt below). I wish I had more time to research lately. Some day soon. Have a nice dway, insidentillie. " That could be an important side benefit, " notes . " Other studies have shown that antioxidant supplements can reduce or slow the progression of various complications of diabetes. " MHCP is the first chalcone, a type of polyphenol or flavonoid, reported in cinnamon. MHCP and other active compounds are water soluble and are not found in the spice oils sold as food additives. pointed out that the water extract reduced blood pressure in hypertensive rats even before it increased insulin sensitivity. And compounds in a water extract are less likely to be toxic in large doses than those in an oil extract, he says.—By Judy McBride, Agricultural Research Service Information Staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 I will try this. How big of a jar, how many cinammon sticks, do you do. How long should it soak. Temperature of water. Did you experiment or find a recipe. thanks for any info you can give. Diane The Wrong Hands wrote: >i carefully fill my glass jar of cinammon/water mix to the very top > so it has a positive meniscus and then carefully lay something absorbent > over the top since that's where the oils will be. > Dennis > > > <bluelairess@...> wrote: > My question now is (I'm reading through all the links you guys have provided to hopefully find out), how to prepare by myself a water extract of the beneficial cinnamon compound MHCP without consuming any of the oils that might float off the cinnamon stick. > >jertoons <Jertoons@...> wrote: > the enzyme block is one that is a benefit, one that would prevent the >process of sugar being used > >see the " WHFOODS " site for an explanation : > >http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul00/cinn0700.htm > >http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=68 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 So funny you copy/pasted that exerpt (way) below - I was just about to do the same thing because it's a great summary! But - nowhere do I see that what you stated, " It can't be all that bad. The government site shows that they do even sell the oil extract (for food purposes). So it must be approved for consumption as a food " is supported! ??? All it does say is that " ...compounds in a water extract are less likely to be toxic in large doses than those in an oil extract... " which to me still means that oil extracts are toxic. I am VERY, VERY cautious when it comes to the government! In my opinion, they hide their heads in the sand when it comes to long-term public health safety of foods that they have already approved 'safe' for public consumption. For example, you won't find them warning the public of the long-term effects (like heart disease) from the consumption of milk products, even though it is factual that many people have serious allergies or sensitivities/lactose intolerance. You probably already understand that this is because they've been making lots of money off the dairy industry. Cow's milk is not beneficial for anybody, as many credible studies have proven, yet they PROMOTE the consumption of it. Same thing with the man-made food additive, partially hydrogenated oil. They approved of it, only to now learn of the long-term side effects (obesity, etc.). Finally they are at least requiring the snack food manufacturers to clearly label on their packaging that the food product contains the ingredient. I could go on and on, but I believe my point has been made. Sorry for the long rant! Jertoons@... wrote: It can't be all that bad. The government site shows that they do even sell the oil extract (for food purposes). So it must be approved for consumption as a food (near the bottom, excerpt below). I wish I had more time to research lately. Some day soon. Have a nice dway, insidentillie. " That could be an important side benefit, " notes . " Other studies have shown that antioxidant supplements can reduce or slow the progression of various complications of diabetes. " MHCP is the first chalcone, a type of polyphenol or flavonoid, reported in cinnamon. MHCP and other active compounds are water soluble and are not found in the spice oils sold as food additives. pointed out that the water extract reduced blood pressure in hypertensive rats even before it increased insulin sensitivity. And compounds in a water extract are less likely to be toxic in large doses than those in an oil extract, he says.—By Judy McBride, Agricultural Research Service Information Staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Jerry, Good point about the 100 or so varieties of cinnamon in relation to probable toxicity as compared to the different varieties of mushrooms being either safe or toxic. After clicking on the following link, scroll down to " adverse effects " to read some safety data: http://www.herbmed.org/viewherb.asp?varHerb_ID=96 (I'm now remembering that it's excessive exposure to the herb - in all of its forms - that's bad, like if you're in direct contact with the manufacturing of large quantities of it or if you're seriously addicted to chewing cinnamon gum (it's the aldehydes in this form)). The following link is to a cached page in which you'll have to scroll down more than halfway to arrive at the blue highlighted term, cinnamon. Only the bark and leaf oils are listed as toxic: http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:E326xQG7TyAJ:www.ameliaww.com/fpin/FragMatT\ ox.htm+raw+cinnamon+oil+OR+oils+OR+toxicity+OR+toxic & hl=en & gl=us & ct=clnk & cd=3 & lr\ =lang_en - Jertoons@... wrote: well, it says that the oil extract is sold as food so to me, that means that it can be sold as food, i.e., that it is consumed as food apparently there's no danger of using cinnamon as food, but there could be if you consume quantities of the oil (that sounds like JUST the actual oil contained in cinnamon, not a cinnamon flavored cooking oil -- most site are not very specific of what they mean by " oil " from cinnamon) anyway, I couldn't find an official warning against its use since it is amongst the most commonly used spices worldwide, there should be plenty of info about this (delicious) food lol plus there are apparently around 100 varieties of the cinnamon plant/tree that's a lot maybe there's some really " dangerous " ones -- just like some mushrooms can be eaten, some are toxic/poisonous i never even heard of cinnamon OIL being used until someone asked about the extract -- and since I happened to find it works for me, I responded and started researching more about the whole world of cinnamon very interesting many of us have said this, but you can really learn a few things by participating in this group thx all keep smilin J in PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 In a message dated 02/09/2006 5:48:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bluelairess@... writes: http://www.herbmed.org/viewherb.asp?varHerb_ID=96 Thx for the site, interesting. I didn't see that before. Bookmarked it too. J in PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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