Was thimerisol in my child's vaccines?/New here.

[Guest guest]

Hi. I am new here and I have a question. My son was born in 1999

and after he got his 12 month shots he became extremely clumsy,

started banging his head, and some of his behavior changed. We

thought the terrible two's had started terribly early! Then after

he got his shots at 15 months he became very ill and lethargic: two

back-to-back fever virus's, two back-to-back ear infections, and

ultimately pneumonia. He then developed a chronic cough he has had

ever since and he got pneumonia 1-3x a year for about three years.

Since Oct. of 2003 the neurologist said, " Definitely ADD " and sent

us to a Dev. Ped. who said she thinks he might have Asperger's but

too early to tell. WE then went to an allergist and talked about

all the food intolerances he has in addition to his numerous IgE

food allergies. When I explained the way his eyes glaze over and he

developes repetitive speech and movements and throws temper tantrums

if he eats gluten the allergist said he must have ASD but wouldn't

admit there was any coorelation between eating gluten and the

behaviors we were seeing even though I knew there was an obvious

correlation. Then we had one incident at school this year and I

took him to his pediatrician and she said he might be bipolar and

was wondering why the dev. ped. had not done any formal eval. etc.

etc. When he was 2 1/2 I would ask his old ped.: Is this autism?

She would always say, " no, he has too much eye contact " or " no, he

is too verbal. " She never would refer us out to anyone unless

something life-threatening happened. He wasn't meeting a lot of his

milestones at his three year old well check up. Well, I then had a

baby girl in 2002 and when she was FTT at 4-6 months we finally

changed pediatricians. I allowed her to carefully be vaccinated (

eliminating some, delaying some, spreading them appart). What was I

thinking? I had assumed all vaccines were thimerisol free at that

time. I have a MIL in DC and she worked at two offices and told me

in 2000 or 2001 that they were using up the thimerisol containing

vaccines at the office in the poorer area. Doctor's orders. Isn't

that horrible??? I then, really thought ALL vaccines were

thimerisol free. After hearing Cave and Kirby speak

at DAN! in Boston last week, I now realize my daughter could have

had thimerisol containing vaccines as well. I called NVIC this week

and they directed me to their site that has the package insert info

and also there is a direct link to the VEARS site that reports

adverse reactions, but how do I know if the actual vaccines my

daughter had contained thimerisol? These package inserts could be

new for all I know, right? BTW, my daughter is also affected,

despite not having gotten the MMR at all. She is actually a pretty

normal looking, typical kid as long as she drinks Neocate 1+ amino

acid based formula as her sole source of nutrition, which costs $900

per month. However, now that she is thriving (on the formula),

insurance no longer wants to pay for it. Of course she would have

to become FTT again in order to get coverage. What a bunch of

political BS!!!! She is three and I, of course, do not want her

living on this formula forever, but if it keeps her typical, then I

am willing to sell my house and the shirt off my back. She still

has reflux and constipation, even on the formula. We have even

considered putting our five year old on it since he is also such an

allergic child. Funny thing is my daughter tests neg. to

everything, but still can't survive w/o this hypoallergenic formula

(the most hypoallergenic available). She also will turn autistic in

front of our eyes if she eats food, especially gluten, dyes,

preservatives, or sugar. Dairy and soy of any kind make her

extremely ill: head congestion, cough, body rash, etc. I would

really like to know if her vaccines were tainted. I have the lot

numbers.

Thanks,

in Cary, NC

BTW, Thank you, Kirby, you are a very brilliant (and

handsome) man! My husband just saw you speak in Durham. We have

your book. You are going to bring a lot of much needed attention

and national acceptance to this issue.

[Guest guest]

, my daughter was born in Sept 1999 (after the joint statement

was released!) and still got all thimerosal containing vaccines

(except MMR, etc). To find out about your child's vaccines go to:

http://www.909shot.com/Issues/HgCalculator.htm

Have you been on the Board? You will find lots of

info there:

/

If you are currently chelating or have an appointment scheduled to

start you can join ChelatingKids2

chelatingkids2/

Hope that helps

~Becky

> Hi. I am new here and I have a question. My son was born in 1999

> and after he got his 12 month shots he became extremely clumsy,

> started banging his head, and some of his behavior changed. We

> thought the terrible two's had started terribly early! Then after

> he got his shots at 15 months he became very ill and lethargic:

two

> back-to-back fever virus's, two back-to-back ear infections, and

> ultimately pneumonia. He then developed a chronic cough he has

had

> ever since and he got pneumonia 1-3x a year for about three

years.

> Since Oct. of 2003 the neurologist said, " Definitely ADD " and sent

> us to a Dev. Ped. who said she thinks he might have Asperger's but

> too early to tell. WE then went to an allergist and talked about

> all the food intolerances he has in addition to his numerous IgE

> food allergies. When I explained the way his eyes glaze over and

he

> developes repetitive speech and movements and throws temper

tantrums

> if he eats gluten the allergist said he must have ASD but wouldn't

> admit there was any coorelation between eating gluten and the

> behaviors we were seeing even though I knew there was an obvious

> correlation. Then we had one incident at school this year and I

> took him to his pediatrician and she said he might be bipolar and

> was wondering why the dev. ped. had not done any formal eval.

etc.

> etc. When he was 2 1/2 I would ask his old ped.: Is this

autism?

> She would always say, " no, he has too much eye contact " or " no, he

> is too verbal. " She never would refer us out to anyone unless

> something life-threatening happened. He wasn't meeting a lot of

his

> milestones at his three year old well check up. Well, I then had

a

> baby girl in 2002 and when she was FTT at 4-6 months we finally

> changed pediatricians. I allowed her to carefully be vaccinated (

> eliminating some, delaying some, spreading them appart). What was

I

> thinking? I had assumed all vaccines were thimerisol free at that

> time. I have a MIL in DC and she worked at two offices and told

me

> in 2000 or 2001 that they were using up the thimerisol containing

> vaccines at the office in the poorer area. Doctor's orders.

Isn't

> that horrible??? I then, really thought ALL vaccines were

> thimerisol free. After hearing Cave and Kirby

speak

> at DAN! in Boston last week, I now realize my daughter could have

> had thimerisol containing vaccines as well. I called NVIC this

week

> and they directed me to their site that has the package insert

info

> and also there is a direct link to the VEARS site that reports

> adverse reactions, but how do I know if the actual vaccines my

> daughter had contained thimerisol? These package inserts could be

> new for all I know, right? BTW, my daughter is also affected,

> despite not having gotten the MMR at all. She is actually a

pretty

> normal looking, typical kid as long as she drinks Neocate 1+ amino

> acid based formula as her sole source of nutrition, which costs

$900

> per month. However, now that she is thriving (on the formula),

> insurance no longer wants to pay for it. Of course she would have

> to become FTT again in order to get coverage. What a bunch of

> political BS!!!! She is three and I, of course, do not want her

> living on this formula forever, but if it keeps her typical, then

I

> am willing to sell my house and the shirt off my back. She still

> has reflux and constipation, even on the formula. We have even

> considered putting our five year old on it since he is also such

an

> allergic child. Funny thing is my daughter tests neg. to

> everything, but still can't survive w/o this hypoallergenic

formula

> (the most hypoallergenic available). She also will turn autistic

in

> front of our eyes if she eats food, especially gluten, dyes,

> preservatives, or sugar. Dairy and soy of any kind make her

> extremely ill: head congestion, cough, body rash, etc. I would

> really like to know if her vaccines were tainted. I have the lot

> numbers.

>

> Thanks,

> in Cary, NC

>

> BTW, Thank you, Kirby, you are a very brilliant (and

> handsome) man! My husband just saw you speak in Durham. We have

> your book. You are going to bring a lot of much needed attention

> and national acceptance to this issue.

[Guest guest]

I spent HOURS trying to find the package inserts for my son's

vaccines from 1998. Finally, I called the pediatrician's office, &

the nurse said she had kept ALL the package inserts. She made copies

of all the inserts from the shots that both my sons received. My

older ASD son had the maximum amount of mercury & my youngest (born

2001) had no Hg. We have been chelating for 2 years now, & he is

almost " normal " . He received only one MMR, & his measles titers last

year were 500 times normal! Scary...

e

> Hi. I am new here and I have a question. My son was born in 1999

> and after he got his 12 month shots he became extremely clumsy,

> started banging his head, and some of his behavior changed. We

> thought the terrible two's had started terribly early! Then after

> he got his shots at 15 months he became very ill and lethargic:

two

> back-to-back fever virus's, two back-to-back ear infections, and

> ultimately pneumonia. He then developed a chronic cough he has

had

> ever since and he got pneumonia 1-3x a year for about three

years.

> Since Oct. of 2003 the neurologist said, " Definitely ADD " and sent

> us to a Dev. Ped. who said she thinks he might have Asperger's but

> too early to tell. WE then went to an allergist and talked about

> all the food intolerances he has in addition to his numerous IgE

> food allergies. When I explained the way his eyes glaze over and

he

> developes repetitive speech and movements and throws temper

tantrums

> if he eats gluten the allergist said he must have ASD but wouldn't

> admit there was any coorelation between eating gluten and the

> behaviors we were seeing even though I knew there was an obvious

> correlation. Then we had one incident at school this year and I

> took him to his pediatrician and she said he might be bipolar and

> was wondering why the dev. ped. had not done any formal eval.

etc.

> etc. When he was 2 1/2 I would ask his old ped.: Is this

autism?

> She would always say, " no, he has too much eye contact " or " no, he

> is too verbal. " She never would refer us out to anyone unless

> something life-threatening happened. He wasn't meeting a lot of

his

> milestones at his three year old well check up. Well, I then had

a

> baby girl in 2002 and when she was FTT at 4-6 months we finally

> changed pediatricians. I allowed her to carefully be vaccinated (

> eliminating some, delaying some, spreading them appart). What was

I

> thinking? I had assumed all vaccines were thimerisol free at that

> time. I have a MIL in DC and she worked at two offices and told

me

> in 2000 or 2001 that they were using up the thimerisol containing

> vaccines at the office in the poorer area. Doctor's orders.

Isn't

> that horrible??? I then, really thought ALL vaccines were

> thimerisol free. After hearing Cave and Kirby

speak

> at DAN! in Boston last week, I now realize my daughter could have

> had thimerisol containing vaccines as well. I called NVIC this

week

> and they directed me to their site that has the package insert

info

> and also there is a direct link to the VEARS site that reports

> adverse reactions, but how do I know if the actual vaccines my

> daughter had contained thimerisol? These package inserts could be

> new for all I know, right? BTW, my daughter is also affected,

> despite not having gotten the MMR at all. She is actually a

pretty

> normal looking, typical kid as long as she drinks Neocate 1+ amino

> acid based formula as her sole source of nutrition, which costs

$900

> per month. However, now that she is thriving (on the formula),

> insurance no longer wants to pay for it. Of course she would have

> to become FTT again in order to get coverage. What a bunch of

> political BS!!!! She is three and I, of course, do not want her

> living on this formula forever, but if it keeps her typical, then

I

> am willing to sell my house and the shirt off my back. She still

> has reflux and constipation, even on the formula. We have even

> considered putting our five year old on it since he is also such

an

> allergic child. Funny thing is my daughter tests neg. to

> everything, but still can't survive w/o this hypoallergenic

formula

> (the most hypoallergenic available). She also will turn autistic

in

> front of our eyes if she eats food, especially gluten, dyes,

> preservatives, or sugar. Dairy and soy of any kind make her

> extremely ill: head congestion, cough, body rash, etc. I would

> really like to know if her vaccines were tainted. I have the lot

> numbers.

>

> Thanks,

> in Cary, NC

>

> BTW, Thank you, Kirby, you are a very brilliant (and

> handsome) man! My husband just saw you speak in Durham. We have

> your book. You are going to bring a lot of much needed attention

> and national acceptance to this issue.

[Guest guest]

Your response is encouraging. If my son is already 5 and a half, is

it too late to get maximum benefits from chelation?

Thanks,

> > Hi. I am new here and I have a question. My son was born in

1999

> > and after he got his 12 month shots he became extremely clumsy,

> > started banging his head, and some of his behavior changed. We

> > thought the terrible two's had started terribly early! Then

after

> > he got his shots at 15 months he became very ill and lethargic:

> two

> > back-to-back fever virus's, two back-to-back ear infections, and

> > ultimately pneumonia. He then developed a chronic cough he has

> had

> > ever since and he got pneumonia 1-3x a year for about three

> years.

> > Since Oct. of 2003 the neurologist said, " Definitely ADD " and

sent

> > us to a Dev. Ped. who said she thinks he might have Asperger's

but

> > too early to tell. WE then went to an allergist and talked

about

> > all the food intolerances he has in addition to his numerous IgE

> > food allergies. When I explained the way his eyes glaze over

and

> he

> > developes repetitive speech and movements and throws temper

> tantrums

> > if he eats gluten the allergist said he must have ASD but

wouldn't

> > admit there was any coorelation between eating gluten and the

> > behaviors we were seeing even though I knew there was an obvious

> > correlation. Then we had one incident at school this year and I

> > took him to his pediatrician and she said he might be bipolar

and

> > was wondering why the dev. ped. had not done any formal eval.

> etc.

> > etc. When he was 2 1/2 I would ask his old ped.: Is this

> autism?

> > She would always say, " no, he has too much eye contact " or " no,

he

> > is too verbal. " She never would refer us out to anyone unless

> > something life-threatening happened. He wasn't meeting a lot of

> his

> > milestones at his three year old well check up. Well, I then

had

> a

> > baby girl in 2002 and when she was FTT at 4-6 months we finally

> > changed pediatricians. I allowed her to carefully be vaccinated

(

> > eliminating some, delaying some, spreading them appart). What

was

> I

> > thinking? I had assumed all vaccines were thimerisol free at

that

> > time. I have a MIL in DC and she worked at two offices and told

> me

> > in 2000 or 2001 that they were using up the thimerisol

containing

> > vaccines at the office in the poorer area. Doctor's orders.

> Isn't

> > that horrible??? I then, really thought ALL vaccines were

> > thimerisol free. After hearing Cave and Kirby

> speak

> > at DAN! in Boston last week, I now realize my daughter could

have

> > had thimerisol containing vaccines as well. I called NVIC this

> week

> > and they directed me to their site that has the package insert

> info

> > and also there is a direct link to the VEARS site that reports

> > adverse reactions, but how do I know if the actual vaccines my

> > daughter had contained thimerisol? These package inserts could

be

> > new for all I know, right? BTW, my daughter is also affected,

> > despite not having gotten the MMR at all. She is actually a

> pretty

> > normal looking, typical kid as long as she drinks Neocate 1+

amino

> > acid based formula as her sole source of nutrition, which costs

> $900

> > per month. However, now that she is thriving (on the formula),

> > insurance no longer wants to pay for it. Of course she would

have

> > to become FTT again in order to get coverage. What a bunch of

> > political BS!!!! She is three and I, of course, do not want her

> > living on this formula forever, but if it keeps her typical,

then

> I

> > am willing to sell my house and the shirt off my back. She

still

> > has reflux and constipation, even on the formula. We have even

> > considered putting our five year old on it since he is also such

> an

> > allergic child. Funny thing is my daughter tests neg. to

> > everything, but still can't survive w/o this hypoallergenic

> formula

> > (the most hypoallergenic available). She also will turn

autistic

> in

> > front of our eyes if she eats food, especially gluten, dyes,

> > preservatives, or sugar. Dairy and soy of any kind make her

> > extremely ill: head congestion, cough, body rash, etc. I would

> > really like to know if her vaccines were tainted. I have the

lot

> > numbers.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > in Cary, NC

> >

> > BTW, Thank you, Kirby, you are a very brilliant (and

> > handsome) man! My husband just saw you speak in Durham. We

have

> > your book. You are going to bring a lot of much needed

attention

> > and national acceptance to this issue.

[Guest guest]

>.... If my son is already 5 and a half, is

> it too late to get maximum benefits from chelation?

.....

No! It is never too late. My son began chelation at 9 1/2 yo. He's

doing great at 14 yo. Other listmates & Dr. Buttar are learning that

people respond well at even " older " ages.

[Guest guest]

We know a pilot who had severe memory loss who had his amalgams removed, chelated and everything came back. Toxic metals interfere with proper neurotransmission among other things. You have nothing to lose getting them out. There is not one benefit to our kids to carry a heavy metal burden. Find a good Bio-medical doctor to run the basic liver function and red blood cell tests. The newest of chelators go on as a cream or gel so your kid doesn't even have to ingest them. The two to ask about, that are very effective for our kids, are DMPS-td or DMSA-td. Make sure you see a doctor that works specifically with autistic children.

Chelation has been very effective for us. Today my son came bounding in as I typed with a blanket tied around his neck announcing "It's SUPER JOSH! to the rescue!" a far cry from the spaced out, poop smearing,sick child from two years ago. You haven't missed the window.

nulani02 <nulani@...> wrote:

>.... If my son is already 5 and a half, is > it too late to get maximum benefits from chelation?.... No! It is never too late. My son began chelation at 9 1/2 yo. He's doing great at 14 yo. Other listmates & Dr. Buttar are learning that people respond well at even "older" ages. __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

If your child was born between 1988 and 2002 he/she was most

definetly exposed to mercury far exceeding any safe limits. You can

acquire your sons vaccine records from your pediatrician and

calculate the amount by getting the manufacturer and lot numbers and

then going to nvic.org/calc.htm

It is never too late to start chelation. All children will improve.

Some to full recovery and others significantly improved. There is

medical technology coming out each day so get going.

> > > Hi. I am new here and I have a question. My son was born in

> 1999

> > > and after he got his 12 month shots he became extremely

clumsy,

> > > started banging his head, and some of his behavior changed.

We

> > > thought the terrible two's had started terribly early! Then

> after

> > > he got his shots at 15 months he became very ill and

lethargic:

> > two

> > > back-to-back fever virus's, two back-to-back ear infections,

and

> > > ultimately pneumonia. He then developed a chronic cough he

has

> > had

> > > ever since and he got pneumonia 1-3x a year for about three

> > years.

> > > Since Oct. of 2003 the neurologist said, " Definitely ADD " and

> sent

> > > us to a Dev. Ped. who said she thinks he might have Asperger's

> but

> > > too early to tell. WE then went to an allergist and talked

> about

> > > all the food intolerances he has in addition to his numerous

IgE

> > > food allergies. When I explained the way his eyes glaze over

> and

> > he

> > > developes repetitive speech and movements and throws temper

> > tantrums

> > > if he eats gluten the allergist said he must have ASD but

> wouldn't

> > > admit there was any coorelation between eating gluten and the

> > > behaviors we were seeing even though I knew there was an

obvious

> > > correlation. Then we had one incident at school this year and

I

> > > took him to his pediatrician and she said he might be bipolar

> and

> > > was wondering why the dev. ped. had not done any formal eval.

> > etc.

> > > etc. When he was 2 1/2 I would ask his old ped.: Is this

> > autism?

> > > She would always say, " no, he has too much eye contact "

or " no,

> he

> > > is too verbal. " She never would refer us out to anyone unless

> > > something life-threatening happened. He wasn't meeting a lot

of

> > his

> > > milestones at his three year old well check up. Well, I then

> had

> > a

> > > baby girl in 2002 and when she was FTT at 4-6 months we

finally

> > > changed pediatricians. I allowed her to carefully be

vaccinated

> (

> > > eliminating some, delaying some, spreading them appart). What

> was

> > I

> > > thinking? I had assumed all vaccines were thimerisol free at

> that

> > > time. I have a MIL in DC and she worked at two offices and

told

> > me

> > > in 2000 or 2001 that they were using up the thimerisol

> containing

> > > vaccines at the office in the poorer area. Doctor's orders.

> > Isn't

> > > that horrible??? I then, really thought ALL vaccines were

> > > thimerisol free. After hearing Cave and Kirby

> > speak

> > > at DAN! in Boston last week, I now realize my daughter could

> have

> > > had thimerisol containing vaccines as well. I called NVIC

this

> > week

> > > and they directed me to their site that has the package insert

> > info

> > > and also there is a direct link to the VEARS site that reports

> > > adverse reactions, but how do I know if the actual vaccines my

> > > daughter had contained thimerisol? These package inserts

could

> be

> > > new for all I know, right? BTW, my daughter is also

affected,

> > > despite not having gotten the MMR at all. She is actually a

> > pretty

> > > normal looking, typical kid as long as she drinks Neocate 1+

> amino

> > > acid based formula as her sole source of nutrition, which

costs

> > $900

> > > per month. However, now that she is thriving (on the

formula),

> > > insurance no longer wants to pay for it. Of course she would

> have

> > > to become FTT again in order to get coverage. What a bunch of

> > > political BS!!!! She is three and I, of course, do not want

her

> > > living on this formula forever, but if it keeps her typical,

> then

> > I

> > > am willing to sell my house and the shirt off my back. She

> still

> > > has reflux and constipation, even on the formula. We have

even

> > > considered putting our five year old on it since he is also

such

> > an

> > > allergic child. Funny thing is my daughter tests neg. to

> > > everything, but still can't survive w/o this hypoallergenic

> > formula

> > > (the most hypoallergenic available). She also will turn

> autistic

> > in

> > > front of our eyes if she eats food, especially gluten, dyes,

> > > preservatives, or sugar. Dairy and soy of any kind make her

> > > extremely ill: head congestion, cough, body rash, etc. I

would

> > > really like to know if her vaccines were tainted. I have the

> lot

> > > numbers.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > in Cary, NC

> > >

> > > BTW, Thank you, Kirby, you are a very brilliant (and

> > > handsome) man! My husband just saw you speak in Durham. We

> have

> > > your book. You are going to bring a lot of much needed

> attention

> > > and national acceptance to this issue.

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I am a speech pathologist in Atlanta, met Kirby at the Safe Minds fundraiser last Sunday and have devoured the book this week. I also spoke at a workshop yesterday on High Functioning Autism and Asperger Syndrome - over-flowing room full of parents, teachers (public and private) administrators, lawyers and medical professionals. When I was in graduate school, 20 years ago, working with children with autism was my favorite area and I wanted to head in that direction after graduation. I even became a babysitter for a 13 year old girl with autism and become very close to her family. However, as fate would have it, I went the medical route instead of the educational route and worked for Emory Univ. Hospital in the area of neurology for many years. A few years ago I left in order to start a private practice and be more available to my own children. As with most private practices, the number of children we see with autism continues to grow. It truly is wonderful to use my first love of working with children with autism, combined with my knowledge of neurological organization on a daily basis. However, I must say that the children I see today do not resemble (that closely) the children I worked with in graduate school. Both groups fit the profile of "autistic", but I don't see nearly the amount of echolalia, self-injurious bahaviors, low IQ scores, and rigid,repetitive behaviors we saw 20 years ago - even in our, current, most profound cases. It's a very good thing. I also recently contracted for an adult development disabilities center here in Georgia (we use to call them institutions) and I only had 1 adult out of 150 residents fit the profile of autistic - and she had never received a diagnosis. If we were missing all the individuals because of narrow diagnostic criteria, our residential facilities should be full of adults who can finally be diagnosed. But they aren't. We have 5 such facilities in GA. and adults with Down Syndrom, Cerebral Palsy, and numerous genetic disorders live and work there. But the incidence of autism is interestingly about 1 in 10,000. Additionally, they exhibit echolalia, low IQ scores, self-injurious behaviors and rigid, repetitive behaviors - very classic autism. We are living in the midst of a clear epidemic.

The energy coming from this group is magnetic. And I want to tap your brains. Because of the growth in numbers of clients, our practice is joining with two other practices (an occupational therapy practice and a neuropsychology and psychology practice) to form an Autism Treatment Center in North Atlanta. We have nutritionists, intensive, highly effective therapeutic programs, approaches such as sesory integration, Floortime, ABA, Mood Bell, neurofeedback, Fast ForWord, educators, etc - the list goes on and on. And we have a group of parents ready to serve on the parent advisory board. Individually, we are already seeing gains of 1-3 years from our respective practices so we are very excited about the prospect of combining approaches. And we routinely see kids move through the spectrum. The vision is a, leading-edge, comprehensive center, employing techniques that are working to improve the lives of children and adolescents with autism.

Here are the areas of need as we see them.

1) Someone for the medical management (including chelation, DAN protocals, etc) - Know of anyone in the Atlanta area interested in sub-leasing space in our new center?

2) Additional parents interested in participating in the parent adivsory board.

3) Possible sources of funding to build awareness that, through medical, nutritional and therapeutic interventions, children can move through and off the spectrum.

4) Increase legislative efforts in GA to provide additional funding for the many needs of our children with ASD. GA is particularly behind in this area and losing families because of it. I'm sure you are aware of this problem.

4) Other needs we may not have considered such as design elements of the physical space for example.

We are very excited. The space is currently under construction and should be complete by this July. I apologize for such a long email and please don't think I am trying to solicit business. I just thought you might be interested in sharing your experience of "what works" with us so that we may build a center offering only the best of quality services.

Best regards,

Kellie Hetzel

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We know a pilot who had severe memory loss who had his amalgams removed, chelated and everything came back. Toxic metals interfere with proper neurotransmission among other things. You have nothing to lose getting them out. There is not one benefit to our kids to carry a heavy metal burden. Find a good Bio-medical doctor to run the basic liver function and red blood cell tests. The newest of chelators go on as a cream or gel so your kid doesn't even have to ingest them. The two to ask about, that are very effective for our kids, are DMPS-td or DMSA-td. Make sure you see a doctor that works specifically with autistic children.

Chelation has been very effective for us. Today my son came bounding in as I typed with a blanket tied around his neck announcing "It's SUPER JOSH! to the rescue!" a far cry from the spaced out, poop smearing,sick child from two years ago. You haven't missed the window.

nulani02 <nulani@...> wrote:

>.... If my son is already 5 and a half, is > it too late to get maximum benefits from chelation?.... No! It is never too late. My son began chelation at 9 1/2 yo. He's doing great at 14 yo. Other listmates & Dr. Buttar are learning that people respond well at even "older" ages.

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Kellie,

Thanks so much for sharing your perspective (and Noah and the Lancet

take note!). There is nothing more infomrative than the insight of

someone who is on the front line with our kids. Not the

academic " experts " but the people who really see the kids. You know

that something has happened. It's just as plain as the nose on our

faces. And you know the new generation of kids is different. We need

to hear more from you!!

Mark

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