Re: Re: financial motivation??

[Guest guest]

Absolutely, I don't want their money. I want them to create centers in every state where kids can go and get evaluated, tested, treated and cured BY REAL DOCTORS (not NAAR ones) and they pay the bills!

Re: financial motivation??

There is no amount of money that can compensate my family (any family affected) for what has happened to my children. As I have said before (on other boards) if I were given a choice of how I would like the criminals behind my (our) childrens' illnesses I would choose public execution. Of course, that will not happen, so hitting them where it hurts most (the pocketbook) is the next best thing. ~Becky> >> >> >p.s. please don't assume that those of us pressing for progress in > >the case for mercury as a causal factor in autism are financially > >motivated. Many of us (while we acknowledge the rights of families > >for financial compensation) have chosen NOT to participate in > >litigation of any kind.> >> > I'd like to second this... I personally am not looking for any kind of > compensation and have not been working to compile evidence in order to > be involved in litigation. I'm much too focused on recovering my son > and it took me a looooong time to look into, much less believe > vaccinations could have played a part in my son's Autism. However, that > said, I really do want to see somebody win a major lawsuit. I would > like to see it happen for children of the early to mid 90's kids or kids > who have been severely affected. My son (b. 1999) is not "severely" > affected and is doing quite well actually, but still the pain and grief > of getting to this point from a "Moderate Autism" diagnosis, has been > tremendous. Research about and treatment of Autism has taken over a > huge portion of my life. I gave up my career essentially to become an > "Autism Expert". (so to speak) So, if I am wanting to see somebody > affect the pocketbooks of Big Pharma - does that make me financially > motivated? Maybe somewhat. However what I most want to see is a huge > overhaul of the vaccination program. I would also love to see a shift > in the paradigm of Modern Medicine as well, but that probably won't > happen in my lifetime. > > ~ Karin

[Guest guest]

Being able to have DAN doctors reimbursed by insurance companies without

all the rigamarole would be an excellent start. At the merest hint of

autism, there is no chance of being reimbursed.

When our son was three and a half, we had to leave our DAN doctor after

only a few months since we had already run through our life savings just on

testing alone. We had to get very creative to continue having medical

treatment for our son. In addition, I am an experienced paralegal and hold

a Master's degree from Columbia U. I haven't worked outside the home in

eight years and am unlikely to do so since I am home schooling my

son. Even if the schools were safe for him to return to (no lead paint

contamination), he gets sick so often with colitis that I fear I wouldn't

be able to hold down a job.

How much money are other families losing because of medical bills and being

unable to have two incomes?

Avril

At 08:33 AM 4/30/2005, you wrote:

>Absolutely, I don't want their money. I want them to create centers in

>every state where kids can go and get evaluated, tested, treated and cured

>BY REAL DOCTORS (not NAAR ones) and they pay the bills!

>

>

> Re: financial motivation??

>

>There is no amount of money that can compensate my family (any

>family affected) for what has happened to my children. As I have

>said before (on other boards) if I were given a choice of how I

>would like the criminals behind my (our) childrens' illnesses I

>would choose public execution. Of course, that will not happen, so

>hitting them where it hurts most (the pocketbook) is the next best

>thing.

>

>~Becky

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > >p.s. please don't assume that those of us pressing for progress

>in

> > >the case for mercury as a causal factor in autism are financially

> > >motivated. Many of us (while we acknowledge the rights of

>families

> > >for financial compensation) have chosen NOT to participate in

> > >litigation of any kind.

> > >

> >

> > I'd like to second this... I personally am not looking for any

>kind of

> > compensation and have not been working to compile evidence in

>order to

> > be involved in litigation. I'm much too focused on recovering my

>son

> > and it took me a looooong time to look into, much less believe

> > vaccinations could have played a part in my son's Autism.

>However, that

> > said, I really do want to see somebody win a major lawsuit. I

>would

> > like to see it happen for children of the early to mid 90's kids

>or kids

> > who have been severely affected. My son (b. 1999) is

>not " severely "

> > affected and is doing quite well actually, but still the pain and

>grief

> > of getting to this point from a " Moderate Autism " diagnosis, has

>been

> > tremendous. Research about and treatment of Autism has taken over

>a

> > huge portion of my life. I gave up my career essentially to

>become an

> > " Autism Expert " . (so to speak) So, if I am wanting to see

>somebody

> > affect the pocketbooks of Big Pharma - does that make me

>financially

> > motivated? Maybe somewhat. However what I most want to see is a

>huge

> > overhaul of the vaccination program. I would also love to see a

>shift

> > in the paradigm of Modern Medicine as well, but that probably

>won't

> > happen in my lifetime.

> >

> > ~ Karin

>

>

>

>

>

>----------

>

[Guest guest]

Just a thaught;

I am hearing a lot of stories about parents who were concerned about their

children and told their pediatritions only to be fobbed off time after time

again as if nothing was wrong ,they are over reacting etc. This to me

sounds a lot like professional negligance and yet everyone is going after

the drug companies to be punished for this. Sure they are to blame to a

certain extent but they are a business and are producing a product. In fact

in the case of this years flu vaccines percieved shortage it seems as if

they were being pressured to create more of the product by mass hysteria and

media manipulation to score political points!

Sure there are some kind caring docs but it is sure sounding to me like the

medical establishment needs to review some of its training procedures for

medical professionals as well as looking deeply into the history of vaccines

and what role they really did play in the eradication of many diseases. (

minor if you look at the historical records) see www.healthsentinel.com .

If they have been wrong all these years in attributing the decline of

disease incidence primarily to vaccines and not to improved sanitation, less

crowded living conditions and antibiotics they should have the collective

guts to admit it and let us move on into a new era of health care, working

in harmony with our bodies and the environment.

Perhaps doctors would then feel more empowered to encourage their patients

to have more faith in their own innate immunity linked to good nutrition and

reducing exposure to toxins of all types increasingly contaminating our

environment. Sure the doctors would be looked on a lot less like the Gods

they are used to being thaught of being but hey perhaps they would get more

time on the golf course!!!!!

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Improved Sanitation and Hygiene Reduces Child Mortality (4/6/05)

According to a recent series of papers in the journal Lancet, diarrhea

and pneumonia are recognized as the major causes of the 10 million childhood

deaths that occur each year. One of the foremost issues facing governments

is how to reduce the number of deaths while ensuring that interventions also

reach poor children. The authors conclude that, " improved access to piped

water may be more effective if implemented in a comprehensive setting as

part of a broader package of improved sanitation and handling of excreta

[human waste], increased awareness of personal hygiene and food handling,

and general socioeconomic development

Ange

---- Original Message -----

From: " Karin " <mother@...>

<EOHarm >

Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:00 AM

Subject: Re: financial motivation??

> >

> >

> >p.s. please don't assume that those of us pressing for progress in

> >the case for mercury as a causal factor in autism are financially

> >motivated. Many of us (while we acknowledge the rights of families

> >for financial compensation) have chosen NOT to participate in

> >litigation of any kind.

> >

>

> I'd like to second this... I personally am not looking for any kind of

> compensation and have not been working to compile evidence in order to

> be involved in litigation. I'm much too focused on recovering my son

> and it took me a looooong time to look into, much less believe

> vaccinations could have played a part in my son's Autism. However, that

> said, I really do want to see somebody win a major lawsuit. I would

> like to see it happen for children of the early to mid 90's kids or kids

> who have been severely affected. My son (b. 1999) is not " severely "

> affected and is doing quite well actually, but still the pain and grief

> of getting to this point from a " Moderate Autism " diagnosis, has been

> tremendous. Research about and treatment of Autism has taken over a

> huge portion of my life. I gave up my career essentially to become an

> " Autism Expert " . (so to speak) So, if I am wanting to see somebody

> affect the pocketbooks of Big Pharma - does that make me financially

> motivated? Maybe somewhat. However what I most want to see is a huge

> overhaul of the vaccination program. I would also love to see a shift

> in the paradigm of Modern Medicine as well, but that probably won't

> happen in my lifetime.

>

> ~ Karin

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Becky,

Hugs. You've been through a lot with your daughter. My son only used to

bite me after having soy! Once we removed that from his diet, things got

better. LOL. I haven't been bit in four years!

I am glad to hear that the chelation is working. That has been our

experience as well.

My mom is in her seventies and has a problem remembering to give my son his

anti-inflammatory meds and other supplements. Our son almost always has a

bowel flare-up after she's baby sat for us. I admit I've ignored a jury

duty notice just because I hate the idea that my son won't receive his home

schooling education and will be made ill if I get called up on jury

duty. We don't own a home, only rent our place, and yeah, the credit card

debt is pretty bad for us as well. After our last meeting with the doctor,

we've had to take a break from chelation and other treatment, just because

we can't afford the testing! It's been off and on like that for years

because we just don't have the money.

Hang in there!

Avril

At 10:44 AM 4/30/2005, you wrote:

>Hi Avril. My mother used to watch my kids while I worked. I had to

>quit my job last June when my daughter bit my mother because the ABA

>therapist pissed her (my daughter) off. My mom required 8 stitches

>on her face I didn't want to put my mother throught that & I can't

>afford daycare so I just quit. Now only my husband works. I've

>refinanced my mortage 3 times to help pay for biomedical

>interventions. My credit cards are looking pretty haggard, too.

>

>On a more positive note - she has done a complete 180 with her

>behaviors. There are no more violent rages and tantrums. She is much

>more alert, verbal, focused, playful - just getting so awesome. I

>credit chelation for that. I see improvements after every round.

>

>~Becky

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >p.s. please don't assume that those of us pressing for

>progress

> > >in

> > > > >the case for mercury as a causal factor in autism are

>financially

> > > > >motivated. Many of us (while we acknowledge the rights of

> > >families

> > > > >for financial compensation) have chosen NOT to participate in

> > > > >litigation of any kind.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I'd like to second this... I personally am not looking for any

> > >kind of

> > > > compensation and have not been working to compile evidence in

> > >order to

> > > > be involved in litigation. I'm much too focused on recovering

>my

> > >son

> > > > and it took me a looooong time to look into, much less believe

> > > > vaccinations could have played a part in my son's Autism.

> > >However, that

> > > > said, I really do want to see somebody win a major lawsuit. I

> > >would

> > > > like to see it happen for children of the early to mid 90's

>kids

> > >or kids

> > > > who have been severely affected. My son (b. 1999) is

> > >not " severely "

> > > > affected and is doing quite well actually, but still the pain

>and

> > >grief

> > > > of getting to this point from a " Moderate Autism " diagnosis,

>has

> > >been

> > > > tremendous. Research about and treatment of Autism has taken

>over

> > >a

> > > > huge portion of my life. I gave up my career essentially to

> > >become an

> > > > " Autism Expert " . (so to speak) So, if I am wanting to see

> > >somebody

> > > > affect the pocketbooks of Big Pharma - does that make me

> > >financially

> > > > motivated? Maybe somewhat. However what I most want to see

>is a

> > >huge

> > > > overhaul of the vaccination program. I would also love to see

>a

> > >shift

> > > > in the paradigm of Modern Medicine as well, but that probably

> > >won't

> > > > happen in my lifetime.

> > > >

> > > > ~ Karin

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >----------

> > >

[Guest guest]

Judy, I can relate. My daughter was born in 1994 also and has been sick since 6 weeks old.

Unbelievable. Wanted to let you know you must first file through the "NVICP". (National Vaccine

Compensation Program). There are judges called the Special Masters and it must go through them first.

Then if and when you are offered a settlement you can turn it down and use your own civil lawyer.

I plan to do whatever it takes. This has taken away from our family, our ASD child and our NT child and

devastated our lives for 10 years. The day is coming though........................EOH has helped that in many ways.

Kathy Hudson

Re: financial motivation??

Thanks for this, Karin. My son is 11, born and vaccinated in the worst of all years, 1994. He has been devastatingly sick his entire life and is, and probably always will, profoundly autistic. Last week I hired a lawyer. We probably have no case because of my son's age, but I am going to pursue whatever I can anyway. I have spent the last 11 years caring for my son, mostly unable to work, watching him suffer in unbelievable agony at times....I have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars caring for him, let alone my lost wages (and his future lost wages) - and this will always be the case for all our lives. And then, 3 months ago, my 7 year old son - born and partially vaccinated (but with thimerasol containing vaccines, since I didn't know about it way back then), was diagnosed with ADHD. I'm now dishing out of pocket for his play therapy, OT, medications, DAN! doctor visits, etc. I'm not sure why some of you seem to feel that those of us who want to be involved in litgation, and who feel entitled to compensation for our suffering (although, obviously, there is NOTHING that can make up for this) are doing something dishonorable...or perhaps I'm misreading these posts? To me, this is simply something that my children - and I - am entitled to. We had no choice but to vaccinate really, as it is mandated to get into schools. And then, when this forced policy destroys us, we're supposed to sit back and suffer financially the rest of our lives, while Mr. Merck, Mr. Glaxo, etc. sip martinis on the decks of their yachts?What am I missing?Judy> >> >> >p.s. please don't assume that those of us pressing for progress in > >the case for mercury as a causal factor in autism are financially > >motivated. Many of us (while we acknowledge the rights of families > >for financial compensation) have chosen NOT to participate in > >litigation of any kind.> >> > I'd like to second this... I personally am not looking for any kind of > compensation and have not been working to compile evidence in order to > be involved in litigation. I'm much too focused on recovering my son > and it took me a looooong time to look into, much less believe > vaccinations could have played a part in my son's Autism. However, that > said, I really do want to see somebody win a major lawsuit. I would > like to see it happen for children of the early to mid 90's kids or kids > who have been severely affected. My son (b. 1999) is not "severely" > affected and is doing quite well actually, but still the pain and grief > of getting to this point from a "Moderate Autism" diagnosis, has been > tremendous. Research about and treatment of Autism has taken over a > huge portion of my life. I gave up my career essentially to become an > "Autism Expert". (so to speak) So, if I am wanting to see somebody > affect the pocketbooks of Big Pharma - does that make me financially > motivated? Maybe somewhat. However what I most want to see is a huge > overhaul of the vaccination program. I would also love to see a shift > in the paradigm of Modern Medicine as well, but that probably won't > happen in my lifetime. > > ~ Karin

[Guest guest]

Judy,

Ditto,ditto,ditto on the lost wages, advocacy, care, money issues.

Barb

Re: financial motivation??

> Thanks for this, Karin. My son is 11, born and vaccinated in the

> worst of all years, 1994. He has been devastatingly sick his entire

> life and is, and probably always will, profoundly autistic. Last

> week I hired a lawyer. We probably have no case because of my son's

> age, but I am going to pursue whatever I can anyway. I have spent

> the last 11 years caring for my son, mostly unable to work, watching

> him suffer in unbelievable agony at times....I have spent hundreds

> of thousands of dollars caring for him, let alone my lost wages (and

> his future lost wages) - and this will always be the case for all

> our lives. And then, 3 months ago, my 7 year old son - born and

> partially vaccinated (but with thimerasol containing vaccines, since

> I didn't know about it way back then), was diagnosed with ADHD. I'm

> now dishing out of pocket for his play therapy, OT, medications,

> DAN! doctor visits, etc.

>

> I'm not sure why some of you seem to feel that those of us who want

> to be involved in litgation, and who feel entitled to compensation

> for our suffering (although, obviously, there is NOTHING that can

> make up for this) are doing something dishonorable...or perhaps I'm

> misreading these posts? To me, this is simply something that my

> children - and I - am entitled to. We had no choice but to

> vaccinate really, as it is mandated to get into schools. And then,

> when this forced policy destroys us, we're supposed to sit back and

> suffer financially the rest of our lives, while Mr. Merck, Mr.

> Glaxo, etc. sip martinis on the decks of their yachts?

>

> What am I missing?

> Judy

>

>

>> >

>> >

>> >p.s. please don't assume that those of us pressing for progress

> in

>> >the case for mercury as a causal factor in autism are financially

>> >motivated. Many of us (while we acknowledge the rights of

> families

>> >for financial compensation) have chosen NOT to participate in

>> >litigation of any kind.

>> >

>>

>> I'd like to second this... I personally am not looking for any

> kind of

>> compensation and have not been working to compile evidence in

> order to

>> be involved in litigation. I'm much too focused on recovering my

> son

>> and it took me a looooong time to look into, much less believe

>> vaccinations could have played a part in my son's Autism.

> However, that

>> said, I really do want to see somebody win a major lawsuit. I

> would

>> like to see it happen for children of the early to mid 90's kids

> or kids

>> who have been severely affected. My son (b. 1999) is

> not " severely "

>> affected and is doing quite well actually, but still the pain and

> grief

>> of getting to this point from a " Moderate Autism " diagnosis, has

> been

>> tremendous. Research about and treatment of Autism has taken over

> a

>> huge portion of my life. I gave up my career essentially to

> become an

>> " Autism Expert " . (so to speak) So, if I am wanting to see

> somebody

>> affect the pocketbooks of Big Pharma - does that make me

> financially

>> motivated? Maybe somewhat. However what I most want to see is a

> huge

>> overhaul of the vaccination program. I would also love to see a

> shift

>> in the paradigm of Modern Medicine as well, but that probably

> won't

>> happen in my lifetime.

>>

>> ~ Karin

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son was kicked off of his insurance because he is over 18 and had so many

prior claims.

Barb

Re: financial motivation??

>>

>>There is no amount of money that can compensate my family (any

>>family affected) for what has happened to my children. As I have

>>said before (on other boards) if I were given a choice of how I

>>would like the criminals behind my (our) childrens' illnesses I

>>would choose public execution. Of course, that will not happen, so

>>hitting them where it hurts most (the pocketbook) is the next best

>>thing.

>>

>>~Becky

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >p.s. please don't assume that those of us pressing for progress

>>in

>> > >the case for mercury as a causal factor in autism are financially

>> > >motivated. Many of us (while we acknowledge the rights of

>>families

>> > >for financial compensation) have chosen NOT to participate in

>> > >litigation of any kind.

>> > >

>> >

>> > I'd like to second this... I personally am not looking for any

>>kind of

>> > compensation and have not been working to compile evidence in

>>order to

>> > be involved in litigation. I'm much too focused on recovering my

>>son

>> > and it took me a looooong time to look into, much less believe

>> > vaccinations could have played a part in my son's Autism.

>>However, that

>> > said, I really do want to see somebody win a major lawsuit. I

>>would

>> > like to see it happen for children of the early to mid 90's kids

>>or kids

>> > who have been severely affected. My son (b. 1999) is

>>not " severely "

>> > affected and is doing quite well actually, but still the pain and

>>grief

>> > of getting to this point from a " Moderate Autism " diagnosis, has

>>been

>> > tremendous. Research about and treatment of Autism has taken over

>>a

>> > huge portion of my life. I gave up my career essentially to

>>become an

>> > " Autism Expert " . (so to speak) So, if I am wanting to see

>>somebody

>> > affect the pocketbooks of Big Pharma - does that make me

>>financially

>> > motivated? Maybe somewhat. However what I most want to see is a

>>huge

>> > overhaul of the vaccination program. I would also love to see a

>>shift

>> > in the paradigm of Modern Medicine as well, but that probably

>>won't

>> > happen in my lifetime.

>> >

>> > ~ Karin

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>>

[Guest guest]

We had taken every measure for financial security before I left my job.

Purchased a "in network and out of network" health plan.

Waited till my husband's IT business was very secure.

Socked away alot of money for emergencies.

In two years we were blown out of the water.

I thank God we had the financial resources to treat but we have burned through everything to help Josh.

Our wonderful "in network and out of network" insurance only covered a small amount of labs and a few scripts. Our rates have more than doubled.

Every year the state threatens our deeming waiver program that supplies out therapies.

The schools furnish minimal services.

We have to raise our kids, research treatment, truck kids to therapy, fight with the school, lobby our legislators, educate our doctors and hold our families together in the process.

The irony of it all is that we were ones that complied with a vaccine schedule for the betterment of public health.

I do not feel one bit guilty for filing a VICP claim.

How do you put a price tag on a childhood. A sibling's childhood...lost.

My child was the cost of doing business for the CDC and pharmcos.

We didn't have the luxury of a black box warning. Eli Lily knew Thimerosal was a danger since the 30's and covered it up.

They should be held publically and finacially accountable.

Not talking hot coffee in the crotch here...these are our kids.

jromkema <jromkema@...> wrote:

My son was kicked off of his insurance because he is over 18 and had so many prior claims.Barb Re: financial motivation??>>>>There is no amount of money that can compensate my family (any>>family affected) for what has happened to my children. As I have>>said before (on other boards) if I were given a choice of how I>>would like the criminals behind my (our) childrens' illnesses I>>would choose public execution. Of course, that will not happen, so>>hitting them where it hurts most (the pocketbook) is the next best>>thing.>>>>~Becky>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >p.s. please don't assume that those of us pressing for progress>>in>> > >the case for mercury as a

causal factor in autism are financially>> > >motivated. Many of us (while we acknowledge the rights of>>families>> > >for financial compensation) have chosen NOT to participate in>> > >litigation of any kind.>> > >>> >>> > I'd like to second this... I personally am not looking for any>>kind of>> > compensation and have not been working to compile evidence in>>order to>> > be involved in litigation. I'm much too focused on recovering my>>son>> > and it took me a looooong time to look into, much less believe>> > vaccinations could have played a part in my son's Autism.>>However, that>> > said, I really do want to see somebody win a major lawsuit. I>>would>> > like to see it happen for children of the early to mid 90's kids>>or

kids>> > who have been severely affected. My son (b. 1999) is>>not "severely">> > affected and is doing quite well actually, but still the pain and>>grief>> > of getting to this point from a "Moderate Autism" diagnosis, has>>been>> > tremendous. Research about and treatment of Autism has taken over>>a>> > huge portion of my life. I gave up my career essentially to>>become an>> > "Autism Expert". (so to speak) So, if I am wanting to see>>somebody>> > affect the pocketbooks of Big Pharma - does that make me>>financially>> > motivated? Maybe somewhat. However what I most want to see is a>>huge>> > overhaul of the vaccination program. I would also love to see a>>shift>> > in the paradigm of Modern Medicine as

well, but that probably>>won't>> > happen in my lifetime.>> >>> > ~ Karin>>>>>>>>>>>>---------->>

[Guest guest]

I'm so not getting this question either ...

This question would be appropriate if we intentionally

shot our kids up with mercury to get monetary

compensation for the damage we " knew " it would cause

.... my gosh, had we known our children would end up

posioned, we would never have brought them to the

doctors and held them down for their shots. This is

an atrocity against children period. This is criminal

and should be treated as such.

I look at my situation and think of the time I've

invested, the money etc. What about the poor kids who

don't have a chance ???? I think every parent who's

child has suffered should put in a claim and that

would get their attention real fast ... for those who

don't need the compensation, put it in a fund to help

the other families ... its not about the money, its

about getting these kids well.

Kathy

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