Guest guest Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 trying to twist some logic (as if there is any) in here with the tuna thing...if you microwaved metal, wouldn't it spark or catch fire, and not necessarily explode? > >> > Re: Intro, comment> > Hi - welcome to the group. Sounds like> > you've been doing your homework. So what was> > the verdict concerning microwaving tuna? lol > >> > jw4994 <jw4994@e...> wrote:> >> > My name is , I have a 6 yo daughter with> > autism, and I live in Virginia. I have been> > involved with the Charlottesville conference> > that is coming up this Saturday, April 30. > > (If> > you haven't heard about it, we're having> > Bradstreet, , Mumper and Wakefield. Go> > to> > naa-va.org and click on "events" for more> > info.) We also recently hosted Kirby at> > a> > local bookstore, and he was kind enough to> > agree to do 2 local radio shows also. -> > I> > wince when I hear the sophisticated questions> > posed to you on "big" radio and TV shows,> > because one of the questions posed by a> > listener here was "if I microwave tuna and it> > explodes in the microwave, does that mean it> > has heavy metals?" was very> > professional and answered intelligently and> > thoughtfully, while my dh and I were doubled> > over with laughter in our living room. ,> > I hope you don't think that question reflects> > on all Virginians!!!> >> > One thing that I really take strength from, on> > this list and elsewhere, is hearing what> > everyone else has done (and is doing) to> > pursue our cause and further the truth . > > Reading> > the book, with all its familiar names, reminds> > me of all the efforts others have done before> > me, and I intend to do my fair share.> >> > I am also a medical professional, and have> > enjoyed taking some of my colleagues to task> > for their ignorant remarks. One conversation> > I just had was with Harry Hull, the State> > Epidemiologist of Minnesota. He recently> > wrote a letter to Craig Westover, of the St.> > > > Pioneer Press, entitled "Rhetoric on mercury> > in vaccines ignores facts." It was a> > factually> > wrong, defensive and emotional piece (see:> > http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/> > news/opinion/11252049.htm) which is> > interesting since that's what us parents are> > often> > accused of. His main point was "all but the> > tiniest traces of mercury were removed years> > ago" but he also went on to say his people in> > public health are "driven by their compassion> > and concern" and guided by the "best possible> > science."> >> > I looked up Dr. Hull on the internet and gave> > him a call. Apparently he's gotten a lot of> > calls, "all around the country, telling me I'm> > wrong." I asked him what type of flu shot was> > used in Minnesota's health departments, single> > or multidose vial? He first stalled by> > saying most flu vaccine is given in private> > clinics. When I pressed him he said, and I> > quote, "I am not aware of what's being stocked> > right now" in Minnesota's health> > departments.> >> > And I would like to comment to Noah, our> > medical student. Noah, you are young, and I> > hope I don't sound condescending. In the last> > few years, my eyes have really opened to> > the reality of medicine, science, government> > and public policy making. While I feel the> > front line practitioner has *mostly* been an> > innocent bystander in this medical catastophe> > of autism, TODAY, and thanks in part to> > 's book, there is no excuse for the> > ignorant> > remarks made by today's practitioners with> > respect to the science that links thimerosal> > and autism. Dr. Hull is just one tiny example> > of this. There are 180 people signed up for> > the Charlottesville conference- yet just 15 or> > so are physicians, and many of them are> > physician-parents. This is despite an active> > publicity campaign and me, and other> > parents, personally inviting physicians. > > Interestingly, just two signed up are> > pediatricians. > > I had a lengthy conversation with an OB-GYN,> > of all people, who said, "there's definitely> > something going on with autism, I'm seeing> > more of my patients who have an autistic kid> > in just the last 5 years or so. I think the> > mercury is probably it, why wouldn't it be?"> >> > Very few pediatricians have such insight,> > because their identity is so wrapped up in> > what> > they do, and much of what they do is vaccinate> > without thinking. High ethical and moral> > standards are, in fact, being compromised,> > even at the level of the individual clinician,> > if> > they claim they've "looked at the science on> > your side and it doesn't hold up" which is> > what> > I've been told by some of our most "scholarly"> > local pediatricians. Yet, they can't last 5> > minutes in the ring with me, when it comes to> > discussing science. All they know is "the> > Danish study" which they repeat over and over,> > because they, in fact, are so defensive they> > can't read anything with objectivity.> >> > A couple of weeks ago, I went to my former> > pediatrician's office to discuss this issue. > > I> > brought "Evidence of Harm" which he refused to> > take, saying, "I have a busy practice, I> > can't remember the last time I read a book." > > He admitted they were still using multidose> > flu vaccine, and cited cost concerns for doing> > so. So, I ask rhetorically, what kind of> > ethical standards make cost this practice's> > primary responsibility. I felt like I oughta> > make> > a donation to them so they would do the right> > thing. Shameful.> >> > Anyway, glad to be here. Noah, I hope you> > will continue to read and keep up with the> > science. And, is anyone else having to go to> > the website to read messages? I'm not> > getting the digest.> >> > > >> > ,m,m> >> > __________________________________________________> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Yes - we tried to microwave my son once and the mercury toxins caught fire... It was a safe detox methods as compared to chelation which the CDC cautions against... B ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:35:01 -0700 (PDT) >From: VanFossen <jensewspa@...> >Subject: Re: Re: Intro, comment >EOHarm > > trying to twist some logic (as if there is any) in > here with the tuna thing...if you microwaved metal, > wouldn't it spark or catch fire, and not necessarily > explode? > > > > > > > Re: Intro, comment > > > Hi - welcome to the group. Sounds > like > > > you've been doing your homework. So > what was > > > the verdict concerning microwaving tuna? > lol > > > > > > jw4994 <jw4994@e...> wrote: > > > > > > My name is , I have a 6 yo > daughter with > > > autism, and I live in Virginia. I > have been > > > involved with the Charlottesville > conference > > > that is coming up this Saturday, April > 30. > > > (If > > > you haven't heard ab! out it, we're > having > > > Bradstreet, , Mumper and > Wakefield. Go > > > to > > > naa-va.org and click on " events " for > more > > > info.) We also recently hosted > Kirby at > > > a > > > local bookstore, and he was kind > enough to > > > agree to do 2 local radio shows also. > - > > > I > > > wince when I hear the sophisticated > questions > > > posed to you on " big " radio and TV > shows, > > > because one of the questions posed by > a > > > listener here was " if I microwave tuna > and it > > > explodes in the microwave, does that > mean it > > > has heavy metals? " was very > > > professional and answered > intelligently and > > > thoughtfully, while my dh and I were > doubled > > > over with laughter in our living > room. , > > > I hope you don't think that question > reflects > > > on all Virginians!!! > > > > > > & nb! sp; One thing that I really take > strength from, on > > > this list and elsewhere, is hearing > what > > > everyone else has done (and is doing) > to > > > pursue our cause and further the truth > . > > > Reading > > > the book, with all its familiar names, > reminds > > > me of all the efforts others have done > before > > > me, and I intend to do my fair share. > > > > > > I am also a medical professional, and > have > > > enjoyed taking some of my colleagues > to task > > > for their ignorant remarks. One > conversation > > > I just had was with Harry Hull, the > State > > > Epidemiologist of Minnesota. He > recently > > > wrote a letter to Craig Westover, of > the St. > > > > > > Pioneer Press, entitled " Rhetoric on > mercury > > > in vaccines ignores facts. " It was a > > > factually > > > wrong, defensive and emotional piece > (see: > > > > http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/ > > > news/opinion/11252049.htm) which is > > > interesting since that's what us > parents are > > > often > > > accused of. His main point was " all > but the > > > tiniest traces of mercury were removed > years > > > ago " but he also went on to say his > people in > > > public health are " driven by their > compassion > > > and concern " and guided by the " best > possible > > > science. " > > > > ! > > I looked up Dr. Hull on the internet > and gave > > > him a call. Apparently he's gotten a > lot of > > > calls, " all around the country, > telling me I'm > > > wrong. " I asked him what type of flu > shot was > > > used in Minnesota's health > departments, single > > > or multidose vial? He first stalled > by > > > saying most flu vaccine is given in > private > > > clinics. When I pressed him he said, > and I > > > quote, " I am not aware of what's being > stocked > > > right now " in Minnesota's health > > > departments. > > > > > > And I would like to comment to Noah, > our > > > medical student. Noah, you are young, > and I > > > hope I don't sound condescending. In > the last > > > few years, my eyes have really opened > to > > > the reality of medicine, science, > government > > > and public policy making. While I > feel the > > > front line practitioner has *mostly* > been an > > > innoce! nt bystander in this medical > catastophe > > > of autism, TODAY, and thanks in part > to > > > 's book, there is no excuse for > the > > > ignorant > > > remarks made by today's practitioners > with > > > respect to the science that links > thimerosal > > > and autism. Dr. Hull is just one tiny > example > > > of this. There are 180 people signed > up for > > > the Charlottesville conference- yet > just 15 or > > > so are physicians, and many of them > are > > > physician-parents. This is despite an > active > > > publicity campaign and me, and other > > > parents, personally inviting > physicians. > > > Interestingly, just two signed up are > > > pediatricians. > > > I had a lengthy conversation with an > OB-GYN, > > > of all people, who said, " there's > definitely > > > something going on with autism, I'm > seeing > > > more of my patients who have an > autistic kid > > > in just the last 5 years o! r so. I > think the > > > mercury is probably it, why wouldn't > it be? " > > > > > > Very few pediatricians have such > insight, > > > because their identity is so wrapped > up in > > > what > > > they do, and much of what they do is > vaccinate > > > without thinking. High ethical and > moral > > > standards are, in fact, being > compromised, > > > even at the level of the individual > clinician, > > > if > > > they claim they've " loo! ked at the > science on > > > your side and it doesn't hold up " > which is > > > what > > > I've been told by some of our most > " scholarly " > > > local pediatricians. Yet, they can't > last 5 > > > minutes in the ring with me, when it > comes to > > > discussing science. All they know is > " the > > > Danish study " which they repeat over > and over, > > > because they, in fact, are so > defensive they > > > can't read anything with objectivity. > > > > > > A couple of weeks ago, I went to my > former > > > pediatrician's office to discuss this > issue. > > > I > > > brought " Evidence of Harm " which he > refused to > > > take, saying, " I have a busy practice, > I > > > can't remember the last time I read a > book. " > > > He admitted they were still using > multidose > > > flu vaccine, and cited cost concerns > for doing > > > so. So, I ask rhetorically, what kind > of > > > ethical standards make co! st this > practice's > > > primary responsibility. I felt like I > oughta > > > make > > > a donation to them so they would do > the right > > > thing. Shameful. > > > > > > Anyway, glad to be here. Noah, I hope > you > > > will continue to read and keep up with > the > > > science. And, is anyone else having > to go to > > > the website to read messages? I'm not > > > getting the digest. > > > > > > > & gt! ; > > > > ,m,m > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! Re: Intro, comment> > > Hi - welcome to the group. Sounds> like> > > you've been doing your homework. So> what was> > > the verdict concerning microwaving tuna?> lol> > >> > > jw4994 <jw4994@e...> wrote:> > >> > > My name is , I have a 6 yo> daughter with> > > autism, and I live in Virginia. I> have been> > > involved with the Charlottesville> conference> > > that is coming up this Saturday, April> 30.> > > (If> > > you haven't heard ab! out it, we're> having> > > Bradstreet, , Mumper and> Wakefield. Go> > > to> > > naa-va.org and click on "events" for> more> > > info.) We also recently hosted > Kirby at> > > a> > > local bookstore, and he was kind> enough to> > > agree to do 2 local radio shows also. > -> > > I> > > wince when I hear the sophisticated> questions> > > posed to you on "big" radio and TV> shows,> > > because one of the questions posed by> a> > > listener here was "if I microwave tuna> and it> > > explodes in the microwave, does that> mean it> > > has heavy metals?" was very> > > professional and answered> intelligently and> > > thoughtfully, while my dh and I were> doubled> > > over with laughter in our living> room. ,> > > I hope you don't think that question> reflects> > > on all Virginians!!!> > >> > > & nb! sp; One thing that I really take> strength from, on> > > this list and elsewhere, is hearing> what> > > everyone else has done (and is doing)> to> > > pursue our cause and further the truth> .> > > Reading> > > the book, with all its familiar names,> reminds> > > me of all the efforts others have done> before> > > me, and I intend to do my fair share.> > >> > > I am also a medical professional, and> have> > > enjoyed taking some of my colleagues> to task> > > for their ignorant remarks. One> conversation> > > I just had was with Harry Hull, the> State> > > Epidemiologist of Minnesota. He> recently> > > wrote a letter to Craig Westover, of> the St.> > > > > > Pioneer Press, entitled "Rhetoric on> mercury> > > in vaccines ignores facts." It was a> > > factually> > > wrong, defensive and emotional piece> (see:> > > > http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/> > > news/opinion/11252049.htm) which is> > > interesting since that's what us> parents are> > > often> > > accused of. His main point was "all> but the> > > tiniest traces of mercury were removed> years> > > ago" but he also went on to say his> people in> > > public health are "driven by their> compassion> > > and concern" and guided by the "best> possible> > > science."> > >> ! > > I looked up Dr. Hull on the internet> and gave> > > him a call. Apparently he's gotten a> lot of> > > calls, "all around the country,> telling me I'm> > > wrong." I asked him what type of flu> shot was> > > used in Minnesota's health> departments, single> > > or multidose vial? He first stalled> by> > > saying most flu vaccine is given in> private> > > clinics. When I pressed him he said,> and I> > > quote, "I am not aware of what's being> stocked> > > right now" in Minnesota's health> > > departments.> > >> > > And I would like to comment to Noah,> our> > > medical student. Noah, you are young,> and I> > > hope I don't sound condescending. In> the last> > > few years, my eyes have really opened> to> > > the reality of medicine, science,> government> > > and public policy making. While I> feel the> > > front line practitioner has *mostly*> been an> > > innoce! nt bystander in this medical> catastophe> > > of autism, TODAY, and thanks in part> to> > > 's book, there is no excuse for> the> > > ignorant> > > remarks made by today's practitioners> with> > > respect to the science that links> thimerosal> > > and autism. Dr. Hull is just one tiny> example> > > of this. There are 180 people signed> up for> > > the Charlottesville conference- yet> just 15 or> > > so are physicians, and many of them> are> > > physician-parents. This is despite an> active> > > publicity campaign and me, and other> > > parents, personally inviting> physicians.> > > Interestingly, just two signed up are> > > pediatricians.> > > I had a lengthy conversation with an> OB-GYN,> > > of all people, who said, "there's> definitely> > > something going on with autism, I'm> seeing> > > more of my patients who have an> autistic kid> > > in just the last 5 years o! r so. I> think the> > > mercury is probably it, why wouldn't> it be?"> > >> > > Very few pediatricians have such> insight,> > > because their identity is so wrapped> up in> > > what> > > they do, and much of what they do is> vaccinate> > > without thinking. High ethical and> moral> > > standards are, in fact, being> compromised,> > > even at the level of the individual> clinician,> > > if> > > they claim they've "loo! ked at the> science on> > > your side and it doesn't hold up"> which is> > > what> > > I've been told by some of our most> "scholarly"> > > local pediatricians. Yet, they can't> last 5> > > minutes in the ring with me, when it> comes to> > > discussing science. All they know is> "the> > > Danish study" which they repeat over> and over,> > > because they, in fact, are so> defensive they> > > can't read anything with objectivity.> > >> > > A couple of weeks ago, I went to my> former> > > pediatrician's office to discuss this> issue.> > > I> > > brought "Evidence of Harm" which he> refused to> > > take, saying, "I have a busy practice,> I> > > can't remember the last time I read a> book."> > > He admitted they were still using> multidose> > > flu vaccine, and cited cost concerns> for doing> > > so. So, I ask rhetorically, what kind> of> > > ethical standards make co! st this> practice's> > > primary responsibility. I felt like I> oughta> > > make> > > a donation to them so they would do> the right> > > thing. Shameful.> > >> > > Anyway, glad to be here. Noah, I hope> you> > > will continue to read and keep up with> the> > > science. And, is anyone else having> to go to> > > the website to read messages? I'm not> > > getting the digest.> > >> > > > & gt! ; >> > > ,m,m> > >> > > > __________________________________________________> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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