Guest guest Posted January 20, 2001 Report Share Posted January 20, 2001 Colin, The laser & red diode products used in these & other healing studies have exact frequency ranges. The frequencies are different for the LED & laser models, but each is within a precise range. From what I have read, the laser models are more effective, but both do work. I bought an LED model a few months ago for about $100, and the laser model was only $200. The company that sold it to me no longer carries them, but they don't explain why. Their website is http://www.buyamag.com/cgi-bin/html/laser.htm You can read more about laser geegaws at http://www.laser.nu/ and http://www.spectra-medics.com/catalogue.html They require a license to purchase them. One must be an MD, chiropractor, veterinarian, licensed physical therapist, etc. I imagine naturopaths would qualify as long as they have a state license to that effect. WHen I purchased the LED thingy they asked for the license # of the chiro who purchased it for me. Both laser & LED gadgets are classified in the US as experimental devices, which is why the license is required. jim Colin Quinney wrote: > NASA funded much of those high speed healing studies done with the LED > light. (~660 nm.). > Has anyone a biophysics theory of the mechanism whereby this red light > works? I haven't read yet anything about that and I am very curious. > > I have also recently heard that this technique also works with white > incandescent light filtered to red. Was that from someone here on this list? > (That suggests that the light doesn't need to be 'polarized', as is Laser or > LED light.) If this turns out to be a universal cellular *energizing* > taking place, (as is not so subtly suggested in the article,) then perhaps > we should all be adding this to our repertoire of healing techniques for > patients, ourselves, and our loved ones. Why wait until it becomes > mainstream? (if ever) > > Best Regards, > Colin Quinney > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. -- ----- carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2001 Report Share Posted January 20, 2001 Jim By all means do the pistol mounted laser pointer skin healing test, and report back to us. If we don't here back, then we can assume that the laser pointer was trigger activated!! Corny On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:07:05 -0500 Jim Lambert <jlambert@...> writes: > MArk, > > I received a laser pointer today that bolts onto the .32 automatic > pocket pistol I carry. When I started reading about these LLT > healing > products just now I checked. The unit on my pistol is 2.5 mw at 650 > nm. > That's near one of the two frequencies I read LLLT uses. I'm going > to > try it on skin problems for a while. > > A pistol that heals! WOW! ;-)) > > jim > > Mark Jensen wrote: > > > > I have bought laser modules from: > > > > http://www.worldstartech.com/ > > > > I bought 2 10mw red and 5 50 mw infrared lasers from them for > about $1000. Strapped them all together and powered them > > with a 5 volt plug in transformer. I use it for wound healing and > try it on about anything that needs extra attention > > (sprains, cuts, itchy spots). Build it and no license is required. > It is very important to avoid eye exposure. Anything > > above 5 mw can burn the retina if shined directly in the eye, and > the infrared laser light is not visible. Be very > > careful. > > > > ----- > carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert > > jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience > http://www.entrance.to/poetry > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, > and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > here are for information and research purposes only. We are people > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, > you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common > sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a > medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care > provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or > BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal > mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2001 Report Share Posted January 20, 2001 On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:13:32 -0500, Jim Lambert <jlambert@...> wrote: >The laser & red diode products used in these & other healing studies >have exact frequency ranges. The frequencies are different for the LED & >laser models, but each is within a precise range. From what I have read, >the laser models are more effective, but both do work. I bought an LED >model a few months ago for about $100, and the laser model was only >$200. The company that sold it to me no longer carries them, but they >don't explain why. Their website is >http://www.buyamag.com/cgi-bin/html/laser.htm > >You can read more about laser geegaws at http://www.laser.nu/ >and http://www.spectra-medics.com/catalogue.html > >They require a license to purchase them. One must be an MD, >chiropractor, veterinarian, licensed physical therapist, etc. I imagine >naturopaths would qualify as long as they have a state license to that >effect. WHen I purchased the LED thingy they asked for the license # of >the chiro who purchased it for me. Both laser & LED gadgets are >classified in the US as experimental devices, which is why the license >is required. I have bought laser modules from: http://www.worldstartech.com/ I bought 2 10mw red and 5 50 mw infrared lasers from them for about $1000. Strapped them all together and powered them with a 5 volt plug in transformer. I use it for wound healing and try it on about anything that needs extra attention (sprains, cuts, itchy spots). Build it and no license is required. It is very important to avoid eye exposure. Anything above 5 mw can burn the retina if shined directly in the eye, and the infrared laser light is not visible. Be very careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2001 Report Share Posted January 20, 2001 MArk, I received a laser pointer today that bolts onto the .32 automatic pocket pistol I carry. When I started reading about these LLT healing products just now I checked. The unit on my pistol is 2.5 mw at 650 nm. That's near one of the two frequencies I read LLLT uses. I'm going to try it on skin problems for a while. A pistol that heals! WOW! ;-)) jim Mark Jensen wrote: > > I have bought laser modules from: > > http://www.worldstartech.com/ > > I bought 2 10mw red and 5 50 mw infrared lasers from them for about $1000. Strapped them all together and powered them > with a 5 volt plug in transformer. I use it for wound healing and try it on about anything that needs extra attention > (sprains, cuts, itchy spots). Build it and no license is required. It is very important to avoid eye exposure. Anything > above 5 mw can burn the retina if shined directly in the eye, and the infrared laser light is not visible. Be very > careful. > ----- carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2001 Report Share Posted January 21, 2001 On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:07:05 -0500, Jim Lambert <jlambert@...> wrote: >MArk, > >I received a laser pointer today that bolts onto the .32 automatic >pocket pistol I carry. When I started reading about these LLT healing >products just now I checked. The unit on my pistol is 2.5 mw at 650 nm. >That's near one of the two frequencies I read LLLT uses. I'm going to >try it on skin problems for a while. > >A pistol that heals! WOW! ;-)) Jim, the maximum safe power for the red visible laser is 5 mw. That is the max for laser pointers. Some healing ability is possible with these. However, most therapeutic lasers have a lot higher power, and a lot of them use infrared lasers at 700-800 nm. I built mine with visible lasers so I could see it working and 2 infrared frequencies because the commercial units seem to operate with them. Not a very scientific design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 I can see it now!!! Don't shoot yourself in the foot, Jim!!! Chuck Yellow journalism is media ochre! On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:07:05 -0500, Jim Lambert <jlambert@...> wrote: > The unit on my pistol is 2.5 mw at 650 nm. >That's near one of the two frequencies I read LLLT uses. I'm going to >try it on skin problems for a while. > >A pistol that heals! WOW! ;-)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Chuck, Actually, it worked great first rattle out of the bag. I tried it on a skin thing and it cleared up by morning. jim cking001@... wrote: > > I can see it now!!! > Don't shoot yourself in the foot, Jim!!! > Chuck > ----- carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 Barb, I have. Mine is a BLT 660. I got it from a site that no longer carries them. The thing about the lasers is they penetrate deeper into the tissue than LED's do. On the surface, either should work. It is a frequency thing, not a power thing, although the jury is still out on the value of the amplitude of the frequency presented. Since the LED device I have has a 660 Nm frequency and the inexpensive laser I have is a 650 Nm, I am operating on the assumption that 10 Nm is not too relevant a deviation. It is a likely assumption. And, many inexpensive lasers on the market are in either the middle 650's or the 780-830 range. These can be had in ready-to-operate condition on the net for relatively little. Check out some laser research instruments sold for equestrian use. They will tell you what frequency ranges have proved effective. The one I am using has worked once on some " skin bumps " & seems to be working a second time (just 2 days this time so far). @ 2 out of 2 isn't bad to get my interest up. I tried it on a friend's lumbar joints tonight. They were aching so I shined the laser on the spine over L3-L5. We see each other every coupla days, so we're gonna keep the " flashings " up to see if it does anything to help the pain or stiffness. Nothing to lose. His disks are herneated and give him a lot of foo foo, so it is a wonderful opportunity to test things on him. He is my first FIR junky friend. ;-) He is so impressed with the results from the TDP FIR lamp that he has requested I experiment on him with everything I try. He's my first research monkey. It's double-blind research because he doesn't know what I am testing and I get intoxicated 'til I don't either. ;-) jim Dan Derbick wrote: > > You can buy the parts to make one at Radio Shack for about $5. > Dan > Re[2]: [LIGHT THAT HEALS] > > Hello cking001, > A laser is good but have you tried a high intensity red led? I > have one called " the light shaker. " It is good as it can be safely > used on the eyes too. > > Barb ----- carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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