Re[2]: magnets

January 29, 2001

Dear BRB,

I will go to; you website for the magnet info, but if you have any general

instructions on what you use the magnets for and what kind of magnets for

what I would appreciate. I have seen a few of the magnets used by a massage

expert and he put one of the heavier types on m;y lower abdomen and I didn't

need to get up to go to bathroom for perhaps a year, but; other than that I

am illiterate. Again thanks Also an OBGYN doctor nearby that I know said he

and his wife sleep on a magnet spread. When they don't use it they wake up

with aches and pains and when they do use it they feel like a million. Does

any of this make sense.

January 29, 2001

Barbara and all -

While I admire the aggressive marketing ability of the Nikken pyramid

Marketing System, I do have some reservations about the ability of their

products to truly support health. I did treat several people who were hurt

by the use of these products. all of them improved very much by applying

responsible treatments protocols. However, the fact that people are

convinced to invest very much money, and then harm themselves, causes all of

the magnetic health area to look as a hype, at best.

People ask me how can a company be so rich, if their products do not do the

work.

For which, I say " well, the richest companies in the world are those that

manufacture antibiotics, and it is doctors that administer them!!! " Being

good at marketing does not mean that you are good at supporting health...

Ronen.

Re[2]: Magnets

Hello ,

Want to know about magnets ask me, I have a dozen books on the

subject and a website including a magnetic water thingy that is out

of this world ...go to..

http://www.5pillars.com/810036400

Brb

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FAC> Dear Phil,

FAC> I too am interested in magnetic therapy, but know little about it.

Where do

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January 29, 2001

This was only one incident. I did treat several people who showed MDS after

treating themselves for a long period of time with multi-polar magnets.

When in a serious situations, mufti-polar products can alleviate the

symptoms, but at a great price afterwards. Anyway - if ever you feel tired,

lack of stamina, disorientation and so on - first thing - get off the

mattress.

Ronen.

Re: magnet sources?

R> wendy wrote:

>> I am wondering where I would go to obtain magnets? I have

>> noticed that alot of you use them as part of your healing.

R> Biomagnetics Laboratories

R> http://www.magnetizer.com

R> Inexpensive rare earth magnets

R> http://www.wondermagnet.com/dev/index.html

R> Tools for Exploration

R> http://www.tools4explore.com/

R> Magnet Sales and Manufacturing

R> http://www.magnetsales.com/

R> Magnet Therapy -- Coghill Research Laboratories Ltd

R> http://www.cogreslab.co.uk/mag_therapy.htm

R> Buryl Payne - healing with magnets

R> http://www.buryl.com

R> Magnetic sleep pads -- 6 month money-back quarantee.

R> http://www.magneticosleep.com

R> Magnetico Sleep Pad - Science

R> http://www.magneticosleep.com/science.htm

R> Magnetic therapy for sleep

R> http://sleepdisorders.about.com/library/weekly/aa052100a.htm

R> Magnetic therapy for Immortality

R> http://www.alexchiu.com/

R> Magnetic Field Therapy

R> http://library.advanced.org/24206/magnetic-field-therapy.html

R> Magnetics and Far Infrared Page...

R> http://www.health-today.net/magnets.htm

R> Academy of Magnetic Therapy 5th Annual Convention

R> http://www.drlawrence.com/toc.htm

R> Magnetic therapy

R> http://healingtools.tripod.com/magnet.html

R> Bio-Magnetic Stimulators

R> http://healingtools.tripod.com/BMS.html

R> Magnet therapy URLs

R> http://www.quackwatch.com/04ConsumerEducation/QA/magnet.html

R> Geophysical Data Center -- This site has a remarkable program called

R> GEOMAG that calculates the earth's magnetic field at your geographic

R> location. Run it online and input your latitude and longitude.

R> If you don't know these, then there is a link that will tell you.

R> GEOMAG can also calculate the magnetic field values for past years.

R> (The field values are given in nano telsa = 10^-5 gauss.

R> Thus 500 milli gauss = 0.5 gauss = 50,000 nt.)

R> http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/seg/potfld/geomag.html

R> Geomagnetic Field Synthesis Program Input Form

R> http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/seg/gmag/fldsnth1.pl

R> ph Kirschvink -- Magnetogeobiologist,

R> geomagnetic sensitivity in animals

R> http://www.gps.caltech.edu/faculty/kirschvink/

R> ELECTROMAGNETISM & LIFE, by O. Becker and A. Marino

R> http://www.ortho.lsumc.edu/faculty/Marino/EL/ELTOC.html

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January 30, 2001

HelloRonen ,

I am fond of you too. I like your name and you give me good

vibes. Is that your given name or did you take it because of its

meaning. A warrior without a master... I think is what it

means if memory of Bushido codes serves. I was somewhat of a

sickly child but a moderatel healthy teenager. But that did not

last. My health began to go really downhill after I left high

school married, went on birth control pills, moved to LA, went

thru the Feb 71 great quake they had, could not find work had to

eat crap, at times even cruised garbage cans behing stores to

see if they might have thrown out anytihg edible. NO luck.

LIved at times on loaves of bread and jars of jelly. Very dumb

time of my life. Came home to parents and had lifelong chronic

tonsilitis had worsened. Had em out, then got pregnant,

uneventful pregnancy but screwups late in the game led to

C-section. Some evidence that I can't dilate from a mental block

from having been kidnapped and raped at age 6. DURing that

first pregnancy the Sabin live polio vaccine was literally

forced down my thoat. Had child-bed fever and was very ill for

10 days. baby appeard to have hyaline membrane disease and was

transferred to Texas Childrens, they were wrong, but I did not

see her or get to hold her for almost 2 weeks after the birth.

Family problems and social problems plagued my life from

childhood on up. ALlergies began to appear in mid 20,s also

bouts of tacycardia since age 18 then the PVC's showed up about

age 30 terrifying skipped and extra heartbeats. More allergies

and fibromyalgia kicked in, teeth trouble, bladder infections,

sinus infections, chronic sore throats, digestive upsets,

outrageiously long and heavy periods once require a D & C, then

bone spurs that made walking so painfuls surgery was eventually

needed there too, the early forties, I fell and needed knee

surgery for a torn meniscus, I have had falls off horses, and

been kicked in one wrist, and Been knocked unconscious when a

softball hit me in the eye about age 14. Sinus cavity filled

with blood at that time which made me sink to my knees when it

began to drain out the nose. felt like my brain was draining

out. Then 5 years ago I found myself pregnant at the age of 43,

and that was the pregnancy from hell, asthma attacks, gum tumors

that would not stop bleeding, an abcessed tooth that would not

go numb so nothing could safely be done during the pregnancy,

pregnancy related carpel tunnel developed and I still do not

have normal feeling in the tips of 4 fingers. Baldder

infections plagued that pregnancy, and a strep throat, I had to

live on milkshakes as I could hardly chew anything due to oral

difficulties. Had a tooth pulled not long afer second C-section

and had carpel tunnel surgery on right hand as it appeared to be

atrophying. Before this pregnancy I had begun to develop severe

" panic attacks " on top of other problems. Then when my baby

was 5 months old and I felt stable, over the tooth removal, the

carpel tunnel surgery and the c-section wham a right ovarian

cyst ruptured. And after that a stiffness started in the right

ankle and then moved to the rt wrist, then the left wrist then

the left ankle took about 2 days to make this rotation. ANd the

stiffness has yet to go away. No medical explanation for it.

Tests and xrays normal on I could at times hardly walk.

Chelation and magnesium appear to be helping this as well as

sever leg pain and swelling at times. After the last baby also

the fibromyalgia flared wors than it ever had. At times I could

only lay in bed and try to put my mind elsewhere as waves of

pain rolled over me in a steady rythm. I was at my wits end.

Then in AUgust of this year I hurt my back really bad. COuld not

sit, stand or walk or lie. Only beer and lobelia extract kept

me from the surgeons knife. My legs hurt so bad 3 months ago I

decided to try this stuff callled ULTIMATE HGH and within 5 days

it was no longer torture to walk up the stairs, and then we

added chelation to our lives and so on until I am up to the

present feeling better than I have in 15 or 20 years.

Is this a good start to why I might have reduced vitality? But

it does appear to be coming back. I look foward to getting in

to spiritual psychotherapy with you. What I did not tell you

so far is the " rest of the story " -Barb

Tuesday, January 30, 2001, 02:16:24, you wrote:

R> To make it short, and without too much details - I've seen tissue re-grow,

R> old scars disappear (including old fractures scars on bones), cartilage

R> re-growth (eliminating need of surgery), tendon heal, disks heal, hair

R> re-growth, prostate restored to health (including functioning), and even

R> nerve re-generation.

R> Magnet therapy (as I think about it, which may differ from other's opinions)

R> can be very effective, especially together with water, oxygen, supplement

R> and dietary treatments. Sometimes, it's sufficient to assist the body in

R> becoming basic (chemistry - the reverse of acidic) and to sleep well, and

R> better health follows immediately.

R> Ronen.

R> Oh, another thing, Barb:

R> You said:

R> ...I swear my body needs more maintenance than a used car....

R> I really, really don't want to pounce on the issue, as I got quite fond of

R> you (not to mention appreciating) during our fight(?), but I WOULD take that

R> remark as a sign that there is an issue of reduced vitality at work here.

R> Why not try something else? Or in addition?

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January 30, 2001

-----Original Message-----

From: Barbara Finney [mailto:barbara@...]

HelloRonen ,

I am fond of you too. I like your name and you give me good

vibes.

Hey, thanks!

Is that your given name or did you take it because of its

meaning. A warrior without a master... I think is what it

means if memory of Bushido codes serves.

Well, it is a Hebrew name, meaning, mostly, happiness. Or, rather - singing

from happiness...

I was somewhat of a

sickly child but a moderatel healthy teenager. But that did not

last. My health began to go really downhill after I left high

school married, went on birth control pills, moved to LA, went

thru the Feb 71 great quake they had, could not find work had to

eat crap, at times even cruised garbage cans behing stores to

see if they might have thrown out anytihg edible. NO luck.

WOW... Talk about difficult life. I went through some similar stuff when

my business collapsed. Luckily, I had several people owing money to me

then, so I went for a year or so with 2 loaves of bread, 1 packet margarine,

1 carton of milk and 2 eggs for a week - and the milk, eggs, and half the

margarine was for my cat...