Guest guest Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 Just want to add my two cents. I was a vegetarian for about 20 years and was rarely ill. Never had a cold. (two in my whole life) I did not enjoy meat and did not miss it. And then I became critically ill with cfs and meat protein was the only thing that would keep my heart from pounding out of my chest. I have to have meat everyday even now, when I am almost well, or I still get major stress in chest. And I enjoy meat now. I see a buffalo and my mouth waters. Never the less. I would love to go back to vegetarianism because I just don't like the whole slaughter house thing; I think it is so not done in an honorable fashion and I can't do my own slaughtering, but my body just won't go for it. So, I think it is a personal body issue. Some people do seem to do very well without meat and others would perish. I think it is best to allow people the grace to decide for themselves and not get militant about it. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 Dear Donna, You wrote: " ...meat protein was the only thing that would keep my heart from pounding out of my chest... " Did you try magnesium? L-carnitine? Co-Q10? Vitamin E? Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH vege vs carne > Just want to add my two cents. > > I was a vegetarian for about 20 years and was rarely ill. Never had a cold. (two in my whole life) I did not enjoy meat and did not miss it. > > And then I became critically ill with cfs and meat protein was the only thing that would keep my heart from pounding out of my chest. I have to have meat everyday even now, when I am almost well, or I still get major stress in chest. And I enjoy meat now. I see a buffalo and my mouth waters. > > Never the less. I would love to go back to vegetarianism because I just don't like the whole slaughter house thing; I think it is so not done in an honorable fashion and I can't do my own slaughtering, but my body just won't go for it. > > So, I think it is a personal body issue. Some people do seem to do very well without meat and others would perish. > > I think it is best to allow people the grace to decide for themselves and not get militant about it. > > Donna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 --- It seems to tie in with blood types. One type needs meat, another doesn't. I agree that the different types should not look down on one another. As long as they eat right to preserve their own health, it should be acceptable. Now, someone tell me there is not a " sugar " type! -- jp So, I think it is a personal body issue. Some people do seem to do very well without meat and others would perish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Donna, I have experienced the absolute need for meat, especially when I had CFS/fibro. (diagnosed by MD & tests) I think the body is in some form of catabolism when that happens. I believe it is because the body is not getting something essential that it needs in the diet, and we have to get it directly from the meat. If only I could offer you a meal of my hamburger tar tar. ;-) The first time I ate it was the most nourishing, refreshing meal I remember ever eating! And, since I went all raw I haven't noticed any signs of the old fatigue. I am currently in a light romance with a woman 35 years younger than me and I am NOT exhausted! Eighteen months ago I couldn't keep up with my lounge chair. I strongly recommend raw meat to anyone with CFS/fibro! I really don't care what their thoughts or feelings on the subject are. Do you want feel better or not? It's that simple! Stop worrying about all of the scare stuff you have ever heard. I have eaten hamburger that sat refrigerated in a plastic baggie for 4 days, turned brown & was slippery from bacteria. I put a few drops of 3% peroxide in some water, soaked the meat for 30 seconds & ate it. Just as good as the fresh, pink stuff. It was amusing to discover that the bacteria everyone worries about grows 50 times faster in cooked meat than raw. And, the addition of lemon, garlic & cayenne tar tar sauce to my daily diet sews other health benefits. jim Donna wrote: > > I was a vegetarian for about 20 years and was rarely ill. Never had a cold. (two in my whole life) I did not enjoy meat and did not miss it. > > And then I became critically ill with cfs and meat protein was the only thing that would keep my heart from pounding out of my chest. I have to have meat everyday even now, when I am almost well, or I still get major stress in chest. And I enjoy meat now. I see a buffalo and my mouth waters. > > Never the less. I would love to go back to vegetarianism because I just don't like the whole slaughter house thing; I think it is so not done in an honorable fashion and I can't do my own slaughtering, but my body just won't go for it. > Donna > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Yes, I took all of the above, in large doses and they helped, but chicken is always the last and best thing that works. Not turkey or fish or eggs or soy or buffalo, mainly chicken. I don't know what it is, but when I need it I need it and nothing else will stop the pounding. Thanks, Donna Subject: Re: vege vs carne Dear Donna, You wrote: " ...meat protein was the only thing that would keep my heart from pounding out of my chest... " Did you try magnesium? L-carnitine? Co-Q10? Vitamin E? Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH vege vs carne > Just want to add my two cents. > > I was a vegetarian for about 20 years and was rarely ill. Never had a cold. (two in my whole life) I did not enjoy meat and did not miss it. > > And then I became critically ill with cfs and meat protein was the only thing that would keep my heart from pounding out of my chest. I have to have meat everyday even now, when I am almost well, or I still get major stress in chest. And I enjoy meat now. I see a buffalo and my mouth waters. > > Never the less. I would love to go back to vegetarianism because I just don't like the whole slaughter house thing; I think it is so not done in an honorable fashion and I can't do my own slaughtering, but my body just won't go for it. > > So, I think it is a personal body issue. Some people do seem to do very well without meat and others would perish. > > I think it is best to allow people the grace to decide for themselves and not get militant about it. > > Donna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Hi JP, According to Eat Right For Your Blood Type, I, being A neg, should be a vegetarian. So much for that theory. I would not survive one night. Ha. Donna --- Subject: Re: vege vs carne --- It seems to tie in with blood types. One type needs meat, another doesn't. I agree that the different types should not look down on one another. As long as they eat right to preserve their own health, it should be acceptable. Now, someone tell me there is not a " sugar " type! -- jp So, I think it is a personal body issue. Some people do seem to do very well without meat and others would perish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Well, I always wondered how much credence I should put in that theory. Now, I know. Let me tell you about a point to check. On the 5th intercostal space to the right of the sternum, check for a tender point. If it is tender, hold firm pressure for 5-7 seconds. Follow up in the next 2 weeks about 4 times. This is the reflex point for abnormal heart rhythm or beats. It is supposed to be quite helpful. The tenderness should subside with more treatment. If it is not tender, count yourself lucky. Good luck with it. --jp Re: vege vs carne --- It seems to tie in with blood types. One type needs meat, another doesn't. I agree that the different types should not look down on one another. As long as they eat right to preserve their own health, it should be acceptable. Now, someone tell me there is not a " sugar " type! -- jp So, I think it is a personal body issue. Some people do seem to do very well without meat and others would perish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 From: Jim Lambert <jlambert@...> Subject: Re: vege vs carne If only I could offer you a meal of my hamburger tar tar. ;-) The first time I ate it was the most nourishing, refreshing meal I remember ever eating! And, since I went all raw I haven't noticed any signs of the old fatigue. I am currently in a light romance with a woman 35 years younger than me and I am NOT exhausted! Eighteen months ago I couldn't keep up with my lounge chair. ~~~~~~~ Okay Jimbo, you're convincing me. Pass along that tar tar receipe again, would ya? But hey fella...one of our memories must be slipping, cause I remember you having quite the long-term romance several years ago. So ydo ou think with a little raw meat I could find a guy 35 years younger than me? Does it work as a facial too? <grin> ~^^V^^~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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