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My son has been with Dr. G 3+ years. Last February/March he was very sick

for 10 days (vomiting, high fever, cold), and on Biaxin and had a HUGE

regression that lasted what felt like forever (it was just a few weeks). It

broke my heart. He recovered and is doing beautifully. Hang in there!

Kristy

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of NOEL

SCHNEIDER

Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:47 AM

Subject: Re: Zithromax

Hi,

My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin before this switch 7

days.....Ery-ped even prior...typically I thought he did well on Biaxin in

the past. We went on these meds because he had a cough, stuffiness, fever

etc...not noticing those symptoms now. He appears to be a lot better. My

question is his behavior is really regressed...He is yelling, dwelling on

things that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling to the ground when

things don't go his way, he is not himself at all. He is verbal, in typical

preschool independently, no other therapies. Lately he has just come apart.

Anybody with this experience, or any advice. I really don't understand the

huge regression. He is also very emotional...extremely emotional.

Thanks for any help,

Sincerely Noel

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Noel,

It sounds like an overgrowth of yeast. Is he on an antifungals? Also since

this is an immune condition, when they are sick they regress and go back

when they are better. Hang in there. It is so hard to watch when they are

going backwards.

Marcia

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" Hang in there! " is excellent advice. I have three kids on the protocol, and

this has been a terrible year for respiratory infections, stomach flu, etc. My

youngest has been on Biaxin for two months and we've finally got a handle on his

bronchitis. The other two have been on Biaxin for the last couple of weeks. I,

too, see a regression in behavior, extreme irritability, and irrational

thinking. Once they begin to feel better and they're off the antibiotic, things

will get better.

All the best,

Robyn

> From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: Zithromax

>

> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 8:23 AM

> My son has been with Dr. G 3+ years. Last February/March he

> was very sick

> for 10 days (vomiting, high fever, cold), and on Biaxin and

> had a HUGE

> regression that lasted what felt like forever (it was just

> a few weeks). It

> broke my heart. He recovered and is doing beautifully. Hang

> in there!

>

>

>

> Kristy

>

>

>

> From: [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of NOEL

> SCHNEIDER

> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:47 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Zithromax

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin

> before this switch 7

> days.....Ery-ped even prior...typically I thought he did

> well on Biaxin in

> the past. We went on these meds because he had a cough,

> stuffiness, fever

> etc...not noticing those symptoms now. He appears to be a

> lot better. My

> question is his behavior is really regressed...He is

> yelling, dwelling on

> things that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling to

> the ground when

> things don't go his way, he is not himself at all. He

> is verbal, in typical

> preschool independently, no other therapies. Lately he has

> just come apart.

> Anybody with this experience, or any advice. I really

> don't understand the

> huge regression. He is also very emotional...extremely

> emotional.

>

> Thanks for any help,

>

>

> Sincerely Noel

>

>

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Hi Robyn,

I had SEVERE bronchitis last fall. I don't wish oral steroids on anyone, but

they were what I needed to heal my lungs. Three courses of antibiotics

didn't work for me.

Kristy

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Robyn

& Greg Coggins

Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 8:56 AM

Subject: RE: Re: Zithromax

" Hang in there! " is excellent advice. I have three kids on the protocol, and

this has been a terrible year for respiratory infections, stomach flu, etc.

My youngest has been on Biaxin for two months and we've finally got a handle

on his bronchitis. The other two have been on Biaxin for the last couple of

weeks. I, too, see a regression in behavior, extreme irritability, and

irrational thinking. Once they begin to feel better and they're off the

antibiotic, things will get better.

All the best,

Robyn

> From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@...

<mailto:knardini%40roadrunner.com> >

> Subject: RE: Re: Zithromax

> <mailto:%40>

> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 8:23 AM

> My son has been with Dr. G 3+ years. Last February/March he

> was very sick

> for 10 days (vomiting, high fever, cold), and on Biaxin and

> had a HUGE

> regression that lasted what felt like forever (it was just

> a few weeks). It

> broke my heart. He recovered and is doing beautifully. Hang

> in there!

>

>

>

> Kristy

>

>

>

> From: <mailto:%40>

[mailto: <mailto:%40> ] On

> Behalf Of NOEL

> SCHNEIDER

> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:47 AM

> <mailto:%40>

> Subject: Re: Zithromax

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin

> before this switch 7

> days.....Ery-ped even prior...typically I thought he did

> well on Biaxin in

> the past. We went on these meds because he had a cough,

> stuffiness, fever

> etc...not noticing those symptoms now. He appears to be a

> lot better. My

> question is his behavior is really regressed...He is

> yelling, dwelling on

> things that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling to

> the ground when

> things don't go his way, he is not himself at all. He

> is verbal, in typical

> preschool independently, no other therapies. Lately he has

> just come apart.

> Anybody with this experience, or any advice. I really

> don't understand the

> huge regression. He is also very emotional...extremely

> emotional.

>

> Thanks for any help,

>

>

> Sincerely Noel

>

>

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That's what I'm afraid of. Elijah's had a cough since late December and

since January. I'll ask Dr. G when they see him in a couple of weeks. The cough

isn't constant, but it sounds terrible when they do cough. They haven't been

able to engage in any physical activity because it starts the coughing.

has been on Flovent and that seems to help.

Thanks for the info.

Robyn

>

> > From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@...

> <mailto:knardini%40roadrunner.com> >

> > Subject: RE: Re: Zithromax

> >

> <mailto:%40>

> > Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 8:23 AM

> > My son has been with Dr. G 3+ years. Last

> February/March he

> > was very sick

> > for 10 days (vomiting, high fever, cold), and on

> Biaxin and

> > had a HUGE

> > regression that lasted what felt like forever (it was

> just

> > a few weeks). It

> > broke my heart. He recovered and is doing beautifully.

> Hang

> > in there!

> >

> >

> >

> > Kristy

> >

> >

> >

> > From:

> <mailto:%40>

> [mailto:

> <mailto:%40> ] On

> > Behalf Of NOEL

> > SCHNEIDER

> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:47 AM

> >

> <mailto:%40>

> > Subject: Re: Zithromax

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin

> > before this switch 7

> > days.....Ery-ped even prior...typically I thought he

> did

> > well on Biaxin in

> > the past. We went on these meds because he had a

> cough,

> > stuffiness, fever

> > etc...not noticing those symptoms now. He appears to

> be a

> > lot better. My

> > question is his behavior is really regressed...He is

> > yelling, dwelling on

> > things that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling

> to

> > the ground when

> > things don't go his way, he is not himself at all.

> He

> > is verbal, in typical

> > preschool independently, no other therapies. Lately he

> has

> > just come apart.

> > Anybody with this experience, or any advice. I really

> > don't understand the

> > huge regression. He is also very emotional...extremely

> > emotional.

> >

> > Thanks for any help,

> >

> >

> > Sincerely Noel

> >

> >

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These behaviors could be caused by yeast overgrowth due to the Zithromax and

Biaxin antibiotics. I give my son probiotics from www.customprobiotics.com .

Dr. Goldberg doesn't seem to have a problem with them. I have been including

them in the supplements sections of out weekly updates for almost 9 months now

and he hasn't said anything about it. I always believe that one of the factors

that caused the immune system dysfunction in the first place in our children are

the antibiotics. Antibiotics kills good bacteria as well which are very

IMPORTANT to keep yeast under control, for proper food digestion and many, but

many very important functions. The reduction in the good bacteria is what

causes many symptoms like food allergies, diahrrea, etc....

JR

@...: knardini@...: Mon, 16 Feb 2009

09:04:09 -0800Subject: RE: Re: Zithromax

Hi Robyn,I had SEVERE bronchitis last fall. I don't wish oral steroids on

anyone, butthey were what I needed to heal my lungs. Three courses of

antibioticsdidn't work for me.KristyFrom:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Robyn & Greg CogginsSent: Monday,

February 16, 2009 8:56 AM@...: RE: Re:

Zithromax " Hang in there! " is excellent advice. I have three kids on the

protocol, andthis has been a terrible year for respiratory infections, stomach

flu, etc.My youngest has been on Biaxin for two months and we've finally got a

handleon his bronchitis. The other two have been on Biaxin for the last couple

ofweeks. I, too, see a regression in behavior, extreme irritability,

andirrational thinking. Once they begin to feel better and they're off

theantibiotic, things will get better.All the best,Robyn--- On Mon, 2/16/09,

Kristy Nardini <knardini@...<mailto:knardini%40roadrunner.com> >

wrote:> From: Kristy Nardini

<knardini@...<mailto:knardini%40roadrunner.com> >> Subject: RE:

Re: Zithromax> <mailto:%40> >

Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 8:23 AM> My son has been with Dr. G 3+ years.

Last February/March he> was very sick> for 10 days (vomiting, high fever, cold),

and on Biaxin and> had a HUGE> regression that lasted what felt like forever (it

was just> a few weeks). It> broke my heart. He recovered and is doing

beautifully. Hang> in there!> > > > Kristy> > > > From:

<mailto:%40>[mailto:

<mailto:%40> ] On> Behalf Of NOEL> SCHNEIDER> Sent: Monday,

February 16, 2009 7:47 AM>

<mailto:%40> > Subject: Re: Zithromax> > > > Hi, > >

My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin> before this switch 7>

days.....Ery-ped even prior...typically I thought he did> well on Biaxin in> the

past. We went on these meds because he had a cough,> stuffiness, fever>

etc...not noticing those symptoms now. He appears to be a> lot better. My>

question is his behavior is really regressed...He is> yelling, dwelling on>

things that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling to> the ground when>

things don't go his way, he is not himself at all. He> is verbal, in typical>

preschool independently, no other therapies. Lately he has> just come apart.>

Anybody with this experience, or any advice. I really> don't understand the>

huge regression. He is also very emotional...extremely> emotional. > > Thanks

for any help, > > > Sincerely Noel> > [Non-text portions of this message have

been removed]> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

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Below is some information on Zithromax and probiotics.

http://www.peacehealth.org/KBASE/cam/hn-1094000.htm

Probiotics

Taking probiotics such as Saccharomyces, Lactobacillus, and Bifidobacterium

species might prevent common consequences of azithromycin therapy, such as

diarrhea and yeast infections

JR

nids@...: jrodrig6605@...: Mon, 16 Feb 2009

11:14:25 -0600Subject: RE: Re: Zithromax

These behaviors could be caused by yeast overgrowth due to the Zithromax and

Biaxin antibiotics. I give my son probiotics from www.customprobiotics.com . Dr.

Goldberg doesn't seem to have a problem with them. I have been including them in

the supplements sections of out weekly updates for almost 9 months now and he

hasn't said anything about it. I always believe that one of the factors that

caused the immune system dysfunction in the first place in our children are the

antibiotics. Antibiotics kills good bacteria as well which are very IMPORTANT to

keep yeast under control, for proper food digestion and many, but many very

important functions. The reduction in the good bacteria is what causes many

symptoms like food allergies, diahrrea, etc....JR@...:

knardini@...: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:04:09 -0800Subject: RE:

Re: ZithromaxHi Robyn,I had SEVERE bronchitis last fall. I don't wish oral

steroids on anyone, butthey were what I needed to heal my lungs. Three courses

of antibioticsdidn't work for me.KristyFrom:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Robyn & Greg CogginsSent: Monday,

February 16, 2009 8:56 AM@...: RE: Re:

Zithromax " Hang in there! " is excellent advice. I have three kids on the

protocol, andthis has been a terrible year for respiratory infections, stomach

flu, etc.My youngest has been on Biaxin for two months and we've finally got a

handleon his bronchitis. The other two have been on Biaxin for the last couple

ofweeks. I, too, see a regression in behavior, extreme irritability,

andirrational thinking. Once they begin to feel better and they're off

theantibiotic, things will get better.All the best,Robyn--- On Mon, 2/16/09,

Kristy Nardini <knardini@...<mailto:knardini%40roadrunner.com> >

wrote:> From: Kristy Nardini

<knardini@...<mailto:knardini%40roadrunner.com> >> Subject: RE:

Re: Zithromax> <mailto:%40> >

Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 8:23 AM> My son has been with Dr. G 3+ years.

Last February/March he> was very sick> for 10 days (vomiting, high fever, cold),

and on Biaxin and> had a HUGE> regression that lasted what felt like forever (it

was just> a few weeks). It> broke my heart. He recovered and is doing

beautifully. Hang> in there!> > > > Kristy> > > > From:

<mailto:%40>[mailto:

<mailto:%40> ] On> Behalf Of NOEL> SCHNEIDER> Sent: Monday,

February 16, 2009 7:47 AM>

<mailto:%40> > Subject: Re: Zithromax> > > > Hi, > >

My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin> before this switch 7>

days.....Ery-ped even prior...typically I thought he did> well on Biaxin in> the

past. We went on these meds because he had a cough,> stuffiness, fever>

etc...not noticing those symptoms now. He appears to be a> lot better. My>

question is his behavior is really regressed...He is> yelling, dwelling on>

things that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling to> the ground when>

things don't go his way, he is not himself at all. He> is verbal, in typical>

preschool independently, no other therapies. Lately he has> just come apart.>

Anybody with this experience, or any advice. I really> don't understand the>

huge regression. He is also very emotional...extremely> emotional. > > Thanks

for any help, > > > Sincerely Noel> > [Non-text portions of this message have

been removed]> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

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Hey Noel -

Garrett responds exactly the same way to zythromycin emotionally and

behaviorally, as well as to a couple of allergy meds. You described it exactly. 

We just went thru it again with Allegra (allergy), and he would dwell

on something 'till I was ready to send him to his room for a week.  I used to

put all the blame on the fact that he had been ill, or because it was 'kicking

up yeast' (it was not) but eventually as his behaviors had stabilized, I was

able to see actual meds trigger things too.  Sometimes you just have to ride

them out if it's a short course, but I always ask the doctor to start with what

I know won't trip him out as bad before moving on to the ones he's more

intolerant of.  I'd rather literally risk having to deal with the infection

coming back (doesn't happen so much these days thank goodness!) than deal with a

cranky-making antibiotic, because the bacterial infection itself (aside from

strep, that is) .    So, fair warning

... if he did this with z-pack, I bet he'll do it w/Allegra - stay away!  He

got very oppositional too.  God I think I have post-traumatic stress from our

Allegra spell lol!  Take that 'lol' off - it was not funny at all.

 Zpacks are sometimes the right choice of med for him, but I can count on him

turning very, very mean before it's over, and crying a lot to, especially if

he's already been sick for a while.  Not only do they take it for 5 days (or

more), if I remember, it is still in the system another 5 days after.  Then you

could have at worst another 3-5 days before all the anger, rage, and

hyper-emotional parts ease up.  I do think it starts easing up before the full

10 days though - I just really can't remember.  I personally refuse to take a

z-pack, because by day 3 it sparks my brain off so badly that it races and I

can't hold a thought 2 seconds, and gives me crippling anxiety.  I've told my

mother don't come near me if she is on a z-pack, because in her, it triggers

rage.  But if my kids have a bad enough sinus infection that we've already tried

something else with, then we'll use it and just make it thru it.

I'd report the problem to the doctor (is it Dr G?), but pending response from

the doc, I recommend finishing the zythro if you only have a couple of more

days... (if it was a 5-day pack - how many days was it for?), because if that is

the trigger, then it's going to ease up as soon as all the meds are out of his

system, and if the infection is gone (it's good about that), then you're in the

clear. I'd think twice about continuing it if you have more than 5 days on it,

because it's only going to get worse before it gets better if it's

the zythromycin.   

If that does not resolve the infection, the only antibiotic I can remember that

has not caused irritability (but wore off it's effectiveness and takes at least

weeks instead of the usual 10 days) is Cefzil. Not Ceftin - I think that's

supposed to be the same, but I swear there is a difference.  Cefzil.  I can

count on it not whacking them out ... but I can't count on it getting them

totally well either without a minimum of two weeks.  Sometimes, that's just fine

with me, because I hate those horrible outbursts. 

 A geneticist here explained that some of the allergy meds (and antibiotics?)

work along either calcium or sodium channels (??? can't remember which he said)

and that it's suspected that that channel is sometimes disrupted or just

connected to behavior changes (because I know typical kids can also have the

same reaction, just less dramatic). He was one of the only docs I've ever come

across that would believe a connection, and

the ones I named at the time were reinforcing what he thought it was. He didn't

feel like it brought harm, mainly just misery, and I think I agree (except the

way it harms mommy's sanity).  Dr G said some antibiotics have certain immune

modulating effects too, so sometimes they impact behavior that way too.

We struggle with the discipline issue during these bad episodes ... how do we

punish him?  We can't let him talk to us that way can we?  We certainly can't

let him attack his brother physically and verbally.  We can't lock him in his

room the entire time. We can't send him on a cruise or call some aliens to

pick him up or turn him over to an institution and say call us when he gets

nicer. We also can't stand to be around him either - he's mean!!!!!  But

punishment doesn't help during this time - it exacerbates.  And that mouth? 

He's 9 now ... and wow ... only temporary insanity would make him dare smart

off like that!  We're talking about a very high functioning child who has really

become aware of some of his triggers.  So I feel for ya!

HTH- Sorry so long....

________________________________

From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@...>

Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:47:27 AM

Subject: Re: Zithromax

Hi,

 

My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin before this switch 7

days.....Ery- ped even prior...typically I thought he did well on Biaxin in the

past. We went on these meds because he had a cough, stuffiness, fever etc...not

noticing those symptoms now.  He appears to be a lot better. My question is his

behavior is really regressed... He is yelling, dwelling on things that mean

nothing, extremely irritable, falling to the ground when things don't go his

way, he is not himself at all.  He is verbal, in typical preschool

independently, no other therapies. Lately he has just come apart. Anybody with

this experience, or any advice.  I really don't understand the huge regression.

He is also very emotional... extremely emotional.

 

Thanks for any help,

 

 Sincerely Noel

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,

Thank you for your response, that helps me a lot.  I appreciate your time.

I am awaiting a call from Dr. Goldberg. What you say is exactly what is

occuring.

 Sincerely Noel

From: <thecolemans4@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Zithromax

Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:38 AM

Hey Noel -

Garrett responds exactly the same way to zythromycin emotionally and

behaviorally, as well as to a couple of allergy meds. You described it exactly. 

We just went thru it again with Allegra (allergy), and he would dwell

on something ' till I was ready to send him to his room for a week.  I used to

put all the blame on the fact that he had been ill, or because it was 'kicking

up yeast' (it was not) but eventually as his behaviors had stabilized, I was

able to see actual meds trigger things too.  Sometimes you just have to ride

them out if it's a short course, but I always ask the doctor to start with what

I know won't trip him out as bad before moving on to the ones he's more

intolerant of.  I'd rather literally risk having to deal with the infection

coming back (doesn't happen so much these days thank goodness!) than deal with a

cranky-making antibiotic, because the bacterial infection itself (aside from

strep, that is) .    So, fair warning

.... if he did this with z-pack, I bet he'll do it w/Allegra - stay away!  He got

very oppositional too.  God I think I have post-traumatic stress from our

Allegra spell lol!  Take that 'lol' off - it was not funny at all.

 Zpacks are sometimes the right choice of med for him, but I can count on him

turning very, very mean before it's over, and crying a lot to, especially if

he's already been sick for a while.  Not only do they take it for 5 days (or

more), if I remember, it is still in the system another 5 days after.  Then you

could have at worst another 3-5 days before all the anger, rage, and

hyper-emotional parts ease up.  I do think it starts easing up before the full

10 days though - I just really can't remember.  I personally refuse to take a

z-pack, because by day 3 it sparks my brain off so badly that it races and I

can't hold a thought 2 seconds, and gives me crippling anxiety.  I've told my

mother don't come near me if she is on a z-pack, because in her, it triggers

rage.  But if my kids have a bad enough sinus infection that we've already tried

something else with, then we'll use it and just make it thru it.

I'd report the problem to the doctor (is it Dr G?), but pending response from

the doc, I recommend finishing the zythro if you only have a couple of more

days... (if it was a 5-day pack - how many days was it for?), because if that is

the trigger, then it's going to ease up as soon as all the meds are out of his

system, and if the infection is gone (it's good about that), then you're in the

clear. I'd think twice about continuing it if you have more than 5 days on it,

because it's only going to get worse before it gets better if it's

the zythromycin.   

If that does not resolve the infection, the only antibiotic I can remember that

has not caused irritability (but wore off it's effectiveness and takes at least

weeks instead of the usual 10 days) is Cefzil. Not Ceftin - I think that's

supposed to be the same, but I swear there is a difference.  Cefzil.  I can

count on it not whacking them out ... but I can't count on it getting them

totally well either without a minimum of two weeks.  Sometimes, that's just fine

with me, because I hate those horrible outbursts. 

 A geneticist here explained that some of the allergy meds (and antibiotics? )

work along either calcium or sodium channels (??? can't remember which he said)

and that it's suspected that that channel is sometimes disrupted or just

connected to behavior changes (because I know typical kids can also have the

same reaction, just less dramatic). He was one of the only docs I've ever come

across that would believe a connection, and

the ones I named at the time were reinforcing what he thought it was. He didn't

feel like it brought harm, mainly just misery, and I think I agree (except the

way it harms mommy's sanity).  Dr G said some antibiotics have certain immune

modulating effects too, so sometimes they impact behavior that way too.

We struggle with the discipline issue during these bad episodes ... how do we

punish him?  We can't let him talk to us that way can we?  We certainly can't

let him attack his brother physically and verbally.  We can't lock him in his

room the entire time. We can't send him on a cruise or call some aliens to

pick him up or turn him over to an institution and say call us when he gets

nicer. We also can't stand to be around him either - he's mean!!!!!  But

punishment doesn't help during this time - it exacerbates.  And that mouth? 

He's 9 now ... and wow ... only temporary insanity would make him dare smart

off like that!  We're talking about a very high functioning child who has really

become aware of some of his triggers.  So I feel for ya!

HTH- Sorry so long....

____________ _________ _________ __

From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@sbcglobal .net>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:47:27 AM

Subject: Re: Zithromax

Hi,

 

My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin before this switch 7

days.....Ery- ped even prior...typically I thought he did well on Biaxin in the

past. We went on these meds because he had a cough, stuffiness, fever etc...not

noticing those symptoms now.  He appears to be a lot better. My question is his

behavior is really regressed... He is yelling, dwelling on things that mean

nothing, extremely irritable, falling to the ground when things don't go his

way, he is not himself at all.  He is verbal, in typical preschool

independently, no other therapies. Lately he has just come apart. Anybody with

this experience, or any advice.  I really don't understand the huge regression.

He is also very emotional... extremely emotional.

 

Thanks for any help,

 

 Sincerely Noel

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We have the same problems with my older son who has Asperger's. I wonder

if it could be the Allegra? I've tried Claritin, but it doesn't seem to help his

allergies. His allergy cells are at 12%. We removed peanut butter from his diet

and his eczema is finally clearing up, so I'm hoping his allergy cells are down

now.

Any recommendations on allergy meds that don't cause these issues?

Thanks,

Robyn

> From: <thecolemans4@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Zithromax

>

> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:38 AM

> Hey Noel -

> Garrett responds exactly the same way to zythromycin

> emotionally and behaviorally, as well as to a couple of

> allergy meds. You described it exactly.  We just went thru

> it again with Allegra (allergy), and he would dwell

> on something 'till I was ready to send him to his room

> for a week.  I used to put all the blame on the fact that

> he had been ill, or because it was 'kicking up

> yeast' (it was not) but eventually as his behaviors had

> stabilized, I was able to see actual meds trigger things

> too.  Sometimes you just have to ride them out if it's

> a short course, but I always ask the doctor to start with

> what I know won't trip him out as bad before moving on

> to the ones he's more intolerant of.  I'd rather

> literally risk having to deal with the infection coming back

> (doesn't happen so much these days thank goodness!) than

> deal with a cranky-making antibiotic, because the bacterial

> infection itself (aside from strep, that is) .    So,

> fair warning

> ... if he did this with z-pack, I bet he'll do it

> w/Allegra - stay away!  He got very oppositional too.  God

> I think I have post-traumatic stress from our Allegra spell

> lol!  Take that 'lol' off - it was not funny at

> all.

>

>  Zpacks are sometimes the right choice of med for him, but

> I can count on him turning very, very mean before it's

> over, and crying a lot to, especially if he's already

> been sick for a while.  Not only do they take it for 5 days

> (or more), if I remember, it is still in the system another

> 5 days after.  Then you could have at worst another 3-5

> days before all the anger, rage, and hyper-emotional parts

> ease up.  I do think it starts easing up before the full 10

> days though - I just really can't remember.  I

> personally refuse to take a z-pack, because by day 3 it

> sparks my brain off so badly that it races and I can't

> hold a thought 2 seconds, and gives me crippling anxiety. 

> I've told my mother don't come near me if she is on

> a z-pack, because in her, it triggers rage.  But if my kids

> have a bad enough sinus infection that we've already

> tried something else with, then we'll use it and just

> make it thru it.

>

> I'd report the problem to the doctor (is it Dr G?), but

> pending response from the doc, I recommend finishing the

> zythro if you only have a couple of more days... (if it was

> a 5-day pack - how many days was it for?), because if that

> is the trigger, then it's going to ease up as soon as

> all the meds are out of his system, and if the infection is

> gone (it's good about that), then you're in the

> clear. I'd think twice about continuing it if you have

> more than 5 days on it, because it's only going to get

> worse before it gets better if it's

> the zythromycin.   

>

> If that does not resolve the infection, the only antibiotic

> I can remember that has not caused irritability (but wore

> off it's effectiveness and takes at least weeks instead

> of the usual 10 days) is Cefzil. Not Ceftin - I think

> that's supposed to be the same, but I swear there is a

> difference.  Cefzil.  I can count on it not whacking them

> out ... but I can't count on it getting them totally

> well either without a minimum of two weeks.  Sometimes,

> that's just fine with me, because I hate those horrible

> outbursts. 

>

>  A geneticist here explained that some of the allergy meds

> (and antibiotics?) work along either calcium or sodium

> channels (??? can't remember which he said) and that

> it's suspected that that channel is sometimes disrupted

> or just connected to behavior changes (because I know

> typical kids can also have the same reaction, just less

> dramatic). He was one of the only docs I've ever come

> across that would believe a connection, and

> the ones I named at the time were reinforcing what he

> thought it was. He didn't feel like it brought harm,

> mainly just misery, and I think I agree (except the way it

> harms mommy's sanity).  Dr G said some antibiotics have

> certain immune modulating effects too, so sometimes they

> impact behavior that way too.

>

> We struggle with the discipline issue during these bad

> episodes ... how do we punish him?  We can't let him

> talk to us that way can we?  We certainly can't let him

> attack his brother physically and verbally.  We can't

> lock him in his room the entire time. We can't send him

> on a cruise or call some aliens to pick him up

> or turn him over to an institution and say call us when he

> gets nicer. We also can't stand to be around him either

> - he's mean!!!!!  But punishment doesn't help

> during this time - it exacerbates.  And that mouth? 

> He's 9 now ... and wow ... only temporary insanity

> would make him dare smart off like that!  We're

> talking about a very high functioning child who has really

> become aware of some of his triggers.  So I feel for ya!

>

> HTH- Sorry so long....

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@...>

>

> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:47:27 AM

> Subject: Re: Zithromax

>

>

> Hi,

>  

> My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin

> before this switch 7 days.....Ery- ped even

> prior...typically I thought he did well on Biaxin in the

> past. We went on these meds because he had a cough,

> stuffiness, fever etc...not noticing those symptoms now. 

> He appears to be a lot better. My question is his behavior

> is really regressed... He is yelling, dwelling on things

> that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling to the

> ground when things don't go his way, he is not himself

> at all.  He is verbal, in typical preschool independently,

> no other therapies. Lately he has just come apart. Anybody

> with this experience, or any advice.  I really don't

> understand the huge regression. He is also very emotional...

> extremely emotional.

>  

> Thanks for any help,

>

>  

>  Sincerely Noel

>

>

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we use zyrtec

 Sincerely Noel

> From: <thecolemans4>

> Subject: Re: Re: Zithromax

> groups (DOT) com

> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:38 AM

> Hey Noel -

> Garrett responds exactly the same way to zythromycin

> emotionally and behaviorally, as well as to a couple of

> allergy meds. You described it exactly.  We just went thru

> it again with Allegra (allergy), and he would dwell

> on something ' till I was ready to send him to his room

> for a week.  I used to put all the blame on the fact that

> he had been ill, or because it was 'kicking up

> yeast' (it was not) but eventually as his behaviors had

> stabilized, I was able to see actual meds trigger things

> too.  Sometimes you just have to ride them out if it's

> a short course, but I always ask the doctor to start with

> what I know won't trip him out as bad before moving on

> to the ones he's more intolerant of.  I'd rather

> literally risk having to deal with the infection coming back

> (doesn't happen so much these days thank goodness!) than

> deal with a cranky-making antibiotic, because the bacterial

> infection itself (aside from strep, that is) .    So,

> fair warning

> ... if he did this with z-pack, I bet he'll do it

> w/Allegra - stay away!  He got very oppositional too.  God

> I think I have post-traumatic stress from our Allegra spell

> lol!  Take that 'lol' off - it was not funny at

> all.

>

>  Zpacks are sometimes the right choice of med for him, but

> I can count on him turning very, very mean before it's

> over, and crying a lot to, especially if he's already

> been sick for a while.  Not only do they take it for 5 days

> (or more), if I remember, it is still in the system another

> 5 days after.  Then you could have at worst another 3-5

> days before all the anger, rage, and hyper-emotional parts

> ease up.  I do think it starts easing up before the full 10

> days though - I just really can't remember.  I

> personally refuse to take a z-pack, because by day 3 it

> sparks my brain off so badly that it races and I can't

> hold a thought 2 seconds, and gives me crippling anxiety. 

> I've told my mother don't come near me if she is on

> a z-pack, because in her, it triggers rage.  But if my kids

> have a bad enough sinus infection that we've already

> tried something else with, then we'll use it and just

> make it thru it.

>

> I'd report the problem to the doctor (is it Dr G?), but

> pending response from the doc, I recommend finishing the

> zythro if you only have a couple of more days... (if it was

> a 5-day pack - how many days was it for?), because if that

> is the trigger, then it's going to ease up as soon as

> all the meds are out of his system, and if the infection is

> gone (it's good about that), then you're in the

> clear. I'd think twice about continuing it if you have

> more than 5 days on it, because it's only going to get

> worse before it gets better if it's

> the zythromycin.   

>

> If that does not resolve the infection, the only antibiotic

> I can remember that has not caused irritability (but wore

> off it's effectiveness and takes at least weeks instead

> of the usual 10 days) is Cefzil. Not Ceftin - I think

> that's supposed to be the same, but I swear there is a

> difference.  Cefzil.  I can count on it not whacking them

> out ... but I can't count on it getting them totally

> well either without a minimum of two weeks.  Sometimes,

> that's just fine with me, because I hate those horrible

> outbursts. 

>

>  A geneticist here explained that some of the allergy meds

> (and antibiotics? ) work along either calcium or sodium

> channels (??? can't remember which he said) and that

> it's suspected that that channel is sometimes disrupted

> or just connected to behavior changes (because I know

> typical kids can also have the same reaction, just less

> dramatic). He was one of the only docs I've ever come

> across that would believe a connection, and

> the ones I named at the time were reinforcing what he

> thought it was. He didn't feel like it brought harm,

> mainly just misery, and I think I agree (except the way it

> harms mommy's sanity).  Dr G said some antibiotics have

> certain immune modulating effects too, so sometimes they

> impact behavior that way too.

>

> We struggle with the discipline issue during these bad

> episodes ... how do we punish him?  We can't let him

> talk to us that way can we?  We certainly can't let him

> attack his brother physically and verbally.  We can't

> lock him in his room the entire time. We can't send him

> on a cruise or call some aliens to pick him up

> or turn him over to an institution and say call us when he

> gets nicer. We also can't stand to be around him either

> - he's mean!!!!!  But punishment doesn't help

> during this time - it exacerbates.  And that mouth? 

> He's 9 now ... and wow ... only temporary insanity

> would make him dare smart off like that!  We're

> talking about a very high functioning child who has really

> become aware of some of his triggers.  So I feel for ya!

>

> HTH- Sorry so long....

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@sbcglobal .net>

> groups (DOT) com

> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:47:27 AM

> Subject: Re: Zithromax

>

>

> Hi,

>  

> My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin

> before this switch 7 days.....Ery- ped even

> prior...typically I thought he did well on Biaxin in the

> past. We went on these meds because he had a cough,

> stuffiness, fever etc...not noticing those symptoms now. 

> He appears to be a lot better. My question is his behavior

> is really regressed... He is yelling, dwelling on things

> that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling to the

> ground when things don't go his way, he is not himself

> at all.  He is verbal, in typical preschool independently,

> no other therapies. Lately he has just come apart. Anybody

> with this experience, or any advice.  I really don't

> understand the huge regression. He is also very emotional...

> extremely emotional.

>  

> Thanks for any help,

>

>  

>  Sincerely Noel

>

>

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I'll try it. Thanks!

>

> > From: <thecolemans4>

> > Subject: Re: Re: Zithromax

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:38 AM

> > Hey Noel -

> > Garrett responds exactly the same way to zythromycin

> > emotionally and behaviorally, as well as to a couple

> of

> > allergy meds. You described it exactly.  We just

> went thru

> > it again with Allegra (allergy), and he would dwell

> > on something ' till I was ready to send him to

> his room

> > for a week.  I used to put all the blame on the fact

> that

> > he had been ill, or because it was 'kicking up

> > yeast' (it was not) but eventually as his

> behaviors had

> > stabilized, I was able to see actual meds trigger

> things

> > too.  Sometimes you just have to ride them out if

> it's

> > a short course, but I always ask the doctor to start

> with

> > what I know won't trip him out as bad before

> moving on

> > to the ones he's more intolerant of.  I'd

> rather

> > literally risk having to deal with the infection

> coming back

> > (doesn't happen so much these days thank

> goodness!) than

> > deal with a cranky-making antibiotic, because the

> bacterial

> > infection itself (aside from strep, that is) .   

> So,

> > fair warning

> > ... if he did this with z-pack, I bet he'll do it

> > w/Allegra - stay away!  He got very oppositional

> too.  God

> > I think I have post-traumatic stress from our Allegra

> spell

> > lol!  Take that 'lol' off - it was not funny

> at

> > all.

> >

> >  Zpacks are sometimes the right choice of med for

> him, but

> > I can count on him turning very, very mean before

> it's

> > over, and crying a lot to, especially if he's

> already

> > been sick for a while.  Not only do they take it for

> 5 days

> > (or more), if I remember, it is still in the system

> another

> > 5 days after.  Then you could have at worst another

> 3-5

> > days before all the anger, rage, and hyper-emotional

> parts

> > ease up.  I do think it starts easing up before the

> full 10

> > days though - I just really can't remember.  I

> > personally refuse to take a z-pack, because by day

> 3 it

> > sparks my brain off so badly that it races and I

> can't

> > hold a thought 2 seconds, and gives me crippling

> anxiety. 

> > I've told my mother don't come near me if she

> is on

> > a z-pack, because in her, it triggers rage.  But if

> my kids

> > have a bad enough sinus infection that we've

> already

> > tried something else with, then we'll use it and

> just

> > make it thru it.

> >

> > I'd report the problem to the doctor (is it Dr

> G?), but

> > pending response from the doc, I recommend finishing

> the

> > zythro if you only have a couple of more days... (if

> it was

> > a 5-day pack - how many days was it for?), because if

> that

> > is the trigger, then it's going to ease up as soon

> as

> > all the meds are out of his system, and if the

> infection is

> > gone (it's good about that), then you're in

> the

> > clear. I'd think twice about continuing it if

> you have

> > more than 5 days on it, because it's only going

> to get

> > worse before it gets better if it's

> > the zythromycin.   

> >

> > If that does not resolve the infection, the only

> antibiotic

> > I can remember that has not caused irritability (but

> wore

> > off it's effectiveness and takes at least weeks

> instead

> > of the usual 10 days) is Cefzil. Not Ceftin - I think

> > that's supposed to be the same, but I swear there

> is a

> > difference.  Cefzil.  I can count on it not whacking

> them

> > out ... but I can't count on it getting them

> totally

> > well either without a minimum of two weeks. 

> Sometimes,

> > that's just fine with me, because I hate those

> horrible

> > outbursts. 

> >

> >  A geneticist here explained that some of the allergy

> meds

> > (and antibiotics? ) work along either calcium or

> sodium

> > channels (??? can't remember which he said) and

> that

> > it's suspected that that channel is sometimes

> disrupted

> > or just connected to behavior changes (because I know

> > typical kids can also have the same reaction, just

> less

> > dramatic). He was one of the only docs I've ever

> come

> > across that would believe a connection, and

> > the ones I named at the time were reinforcing what

> he

> > thought it was. He didn't feel like it brought

> harm,

> > mainly just misery, and I think I agree (except the

> way it

> > harms mommy's sanity).  Dr G said some

> antibiotics have

> > certain immune modulating effects too, so sometimes

> they

> > impact behavior that way too.

> >

> > We struggle with the discipline issue during these bad

> > episodes ... how do we punish him?  We can't let

> him

> > talk to us that way can we?  We certainly can't

> let him

> > attack his brother physically and verbally.  We

> can't

> > lock him in his room the entire time. We can't

> send him

> > on a cruise or call some aliens to pick him up

> > or turn him over to an institution and say call us

> when he

> > gets nicer. We also can't stand to be around him

> either

> > - he's mean!!!!!  But punishment doesn't help

> > during this time - it exacerbates.  And that mouth? 

> > He's 9 now ... and wow ... only temporary insanity

> > would make him dare smart off like that!

>  We're

> > talking about a very high functioning child who has

> really

> > become aware of some of his triggers.  So I feel for

> ya!

> >

> > HTH- Sorry so long....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@sbcglobal .net>

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:47:27 AM

> > Subject: Re: Zithromax

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >  

> > My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin

> > before this switch 7 days.....Ery- ped even

> > prior...typically I thought he did well on Biaxin in

> the

> > past. We went on these meds because he had a cough,

> > stuffiness, fever etc...not noticing those symptoms

> now. 

> > He appears to be a lot better. My question is his

> behavior

> > is really regressed... He is yelling, dwelling on

> things

> > that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling to the

> > ground when things don't go his way, he is not

> himself

> > at all.  He is verbal, in typical preschool

> independently,

> > no other therapies. Lately he has just come apart.

> Anybody

> > with this experience, or any advice.  I really

> don't

> > understand the huge regression. He is also very

> emotional...

> > extremely emotional.

> >  

> > Thanks for any help,

> >

> >  

> >  Sincerely Noel

> >

> >

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Chlortrimeton (sp?). It's OTC, but I have to ask the pharmacist for it. It's

CHEAP, 100 tabs for $5 or so (and my son gets just 1/4).

Kristy

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Robyn

& Greg Coggins

Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:03 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Zithromax

We have the same problems with my older son who has Asperger's. I

wonder if it could be the Allegra? I've tried Claritin, but it doesn't seem

to help his allergies. His allergy cells are at 12%. We removed peanut

butter from his diet and his eczema is finally clearing up, so I'm hoping

his allergy cells are down now.

Any recommendations on allergy meds that don't cause these issues?

Thanks,

Robyn

> From: <thecolemans4@...

<mailto:thecolemans4%40> >

> Subject: Re: Re: Zithromax

> <mailto:%40>

> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:38 AM

> Hey Noel -

> Garrett responds exactly the same way to zythromycin

> emotionally and behaviorally, as well as to a couple of

> allergy meds. You described it exactly. We just went thru

> it again with Allegra (allergy), and he would dwell

> on something 'till I was ready to send him to his room

> for a week. I used to put all the blame on the fact that

> he had been ill, or because it was 'kicking up

> yeast' (it was not) but eventually as his behaviors had

> stabilized, I was able to see actual meds trigger things

> too. Sometimes you just have to ride them out if it's

> a short course, but I always ask the doctor to start with

> what I know won't trip him out as bad before moving on

> to the ones he's more intolerant of. I'd rather

> literally risk having to deal with the infection coming back

> (doesn't happen so much these days thank goodness!) than

> deal with a cranky-making antibiotic, because the bacterial

> infection itself (aside from strep, that is) . So,

> fair warning

> ... if he did this with z-pack, I bet he'll do it

> w/Allegra - stay away! He got very oppositional too. God

> I think I have post-traumatic stress from our Allegra spell

> lol! Take that 'lol' off - it was not funny at

> all.

>

> Zpacks are sometimes the right choice of med for him, but

> I can count on him turning very, very mean before it's

> over, and crying a lot to, especially if he's already

> been sick for a while. Not only do they take it for 5 days

> (or more), if I remember, it is still in the system another

> 5 days after. Then you could have at worst another 3-5

> days before all the anger, rage, and hyper-emotional parts

> ease up. I do think it starts easing up before the full 10

> days though - I just really can't remember. I

> personally refuse to take a z-pack, because by day 3 it

> sparks my brain off so badly that it races and I can't

> hold a thought 2 seconds, and gives me crippling anxiety.

> I've told my mother don't come near me if she is on

> a z-pack, because in her, it triggers rage. But if my kids

> have a bad enough sinus infection that we've already

> tried something else with, then we'll use it and just

> make it thru it.

>

> I'd report the problem to the doctor (is it Dr G?), but

> pending response from the doc, I recommend finishing the

> zythro if you only have a couple of more days... (if it was

> a 5-day pack - how many days was it for?), because if that

> is the trigger, then it's going to ease up as soon as

> all the meds are out of his system, and if the infection is

> gone (it's good about that), then you're in the

> clear. I'd think twice about continuing it if you have

> more than 5 days on it, because it's only going to get

> worse before it gets better if it's

> the zythromycin.

>

> If that does not resolve the infection, the only antibiotic

> I can remember that has not caused irritability (but wore

> off it's effectiveness and takes at least weeks instead

> of the usual 10 days) is Cefzil. Not Ceftin - I think

> that's supposed to be the same, but I swear there is a

> difference. Cefzil. I can count on it not whacking them

> out ... but I can't count on it getting them totally

> well either without a minimum of two weeks. Sometimes,

> that's just fine with me, because I hate those horrible

> outbursts.

>

> A geneticist here explained that some of the allergy meds

> (and antibiotics?) work along either calcium or sodium

> channels (??? can't remember which he said) and that

> it's suspected that that channel is sometimes disrupted

> or just connected to behavior changes (because I know

> typical kids can also have the same reaction, just less

> dramatic). He was one of the only docs I've ever come

> across that would believe a connection, and

> the ones I named at the time were reinforcing what he

> thought it was. He didn't feel like it brought harm,

> mainly just misery, and I think I agree (except the way it

> harms mommy's sanity). Dr G said some antibiotics have

> certain immune modulating effects too, so sometimes they

> impact behavior that way too.

>

> We struggle with the discipline issue during these bad

> episodes ... how do we punish him? We can't let him

> talk to us that way can we? We certainly can't let him

> attack his brother physically and verbally. We can't

> lock him in his room the entire time. We can't send him

> on a cruise or call some aliens to pick him up

> or turn him over to an institution and say call us when he

> gets nicer. We also can't stand to be around him either

> - he's mean!!!!! But punishment doesn't help

> during this time - it exacerbates. And that mouth?

> He's 9 now ... and wow ... only temporary insanity

> would make him dare smart off like that! We're

> talking about a very high functioning child who has really

> become aware of some of his triggers. So I feel for ya!

>

> HTH- Sorry so long....

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@...

<mailto:schneid99%40sbcglobal.net> >

> <mailto:%40>

> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:47:27 AM

> Subject: Re: Zithromax

>

>

> Hi,

>

> My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin

> before this switch 7 days.....Ery- ped even

> prior...typically I thought he did well on Biaxin in the

> past. We went on these meds because he had a cough,

> stuffiness, fever etc...not noticing those symptoms now.

> He appears to be a lot better. My question is his behavior

> is really regressed... He is yelling, dwelling on things

> that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling to the

> ground when things don't go his way, he is not himself

> at all. He is verbal, in typical preschool independently,

> no other therapies. Lately he has just come apart. Anybody

> with this experience, or any advice. I really don't

> understand the huge regression. He is also very emotional...

> extremely emotional.

>

> Thanks for any help,

>

>

> Sincerely Noel

>

>

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Dytan does not seem to cause issues, but it is not as effective as far as I can

tell.  It isn't one that Dr G usually uses, but we have, because we just

couldn't tolerate the irritability and oppositional behavior that Zyrtec and

Allegra have had (allegra being the worst - zyrtec we took for 2 yrs so maybe it

only became a problem). 

HTH-

________________________________

From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@...>

Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 8:10:41 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Zithromax

we use zyrtec

 Sincerely Noel

> From: <thecolemans4>

> Subject: Re: Re: Zithromax

> groups (DOT) com

> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:38 AM

> Hey Noel -

> Garrett responds exactly the same way to zythromycin

> emotionally and behaviorally, as well as to a couple of

> allergy meds. You described it exactly.  We just went thru

> it again with Allegra (allergy), and he would dwell

> on something ' till I was ready to send him to his room

> for a week.  I used to put all the blame on the fact that

> he had been ill, or because it was 'kicking up

> yeast' (it was not) but eventually as his behaviors had

> stabilized, I was able to see actual meds trigger things

> too.  Sometimes you just have to ride them out if it's

> a short course, but I always ask the doctor to start with

> what I know won't trip him out as bad before moving on

> to the ones he's more intolerant of.  I'd rather

> literally risk having to deal with the infection coming back

> (doesn't happen so much these days thank goodness!) than

> deal with a cranky-making antibiotic, because the bacterial

> infection itself (aside from strep, that is) .    So,

> fair warning

> ... if he did this with z-pack, I bet he'll do it

> w/Allegra - stay away!  He got very oppositional too.  God

> I think I have post-traumatic stress from our Allegra spell

> lol!  Take that 'lol' off - it was not funny at

> all.

>

>  Zpacks are sometimes the right choice of med for him, but

> I can count on him turning very, very mean before it's

> over, and crying a lot to, especially if he's already

> been sick for a while.  Not only do they take it for 5 days

> (or more), if I remember, it is still in the system another

> 5 days after.  Then you could have at worst another 3-5

> days before all the anger, rage, and hyper-emotional parts

> ease up.  I do think it starts easing up before the full 10

> days though - I just really can't remember.  I

> personally refuse to take a z-pack, because by day 3 it

> sparks my brain off so badly that it races and I can't

> hold a thought 2 seconds, and gives me crippling anxiety. 

> I've told my mother don't come near me if she is on

> a z-pack, because in her, it triggers rage.  But if my kids

> have a bad enough sinus infection that we've already

> tried something else with, then we'll use it and just

> make it thru it.

>

> I'd report the problem to the doctor (is it Dr G?), but

> pending response from the doc, I recommend finishing the

> zythro if you only have a couple of more days... (if it was

> a 5-day pack - how many days was it for?), because if that

> is the trigger, then it's going to ease up as soon as

> all the meds are out of his system, and if the infection is

> gone (it's good about that), then you're in the

> clear. I'd think twice about continuing it if you have

> more than 5 days on it, because it's only going to get

> worse before it gets better if it's

> the zythromycin.   

>

> If that does not resolve the infection, the only antibiotic

> I can remember that has not caused irritability (but wore

> off it's effectiveness and takes at least weeks instead

> of the usual 10 days) is Cefzil. Not Ceftin - I think

> that's supposed to be the same, but I swear there is a

> difference.  Cefzil.  I can count on it not whacking them

> out ... but I can't count on it getting them totally

> well either without a minimum of two weeks.  Sometimes,

> that's just fine with me, because I hate those horrible

> outbursts. 

>

>  A geneticist here explained that some of the allergy meds

> (and antibiotics? ) work along either calcium or sodium

> channels (??? can't remember which he said) and that

> it's suspected that that channel is sometimes disrupted

> or just connected to behavior changes (because I know

> typical kids can also have the same reaction, just less

> dramatic). He was one of the only docs I've ever come

> across that would believe a connection, and

> the ones I named at the time were reinforcing what he

> thought it was. He didn't feel like it brought harm,

> mainly just misery, and I think I agree (except the way it

> harms mommy's sanity).  Dr G said some antibiotics have

> certain immune modulating effects too, so sometimes they

> impact behavior that way too.

>

> We struggle with the discipline issue during these bad

> episodes ... how do we punish him?  We can't let him

> talk to us that way can we?  We certainly can't let him

> attack his brother physically and verbally.  We can't

> lock him in his room the entire time. We can't send him

> on a cruise or call some aliens to pick him up

> or turn him over to an institution and say call us when he

> gets nicer. We also can't stand to be around him either

> - he's mean!!!!!  But punishment doesn't help

> during this time - it exacerbates.  And that mouth? 

> He's 9 now ... and wow ... only temporary insanity

> would make him dare smart off like that!  We're

> talking about a very high functioning child who has really

> become aware of some of his triggers.  So I feel for ya!

>

> HTH- Sorry so long....

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@sbcgloba l .net>

> groups (DOT) com

> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:47:27 AM

> Subject: Re: Zithromax

>

>

> Hi,

>  

> My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin

> before this switch 7 days.....Ery- ped even

> prior...typically I thought he did well on Biaxin in the

> past. We went on these meds because he had a cough,

> stuffiness, fever etc...not noticing those symptoms now. 

> He appears to be a lot better. My question is his behavior

> is really regressed... He is yelling, dwelling on things

> that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling to the

> ground when things don't go his way, he is not himself

> at all.  He is verbal, in typical preschool independently,

> no other therapies. Lately he has just come apart. Anybody

> with this experience, or any advice.  I really don't

> understand the huge regression. He is also very emotional...

> extremely emotional.

>  

> Thanks for any help,

>

>  

>  Sincerely Noel

>

>

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Noel,

My child has been on EryPed for what feels like forever and one thing

that helped alot was to give her a probiotic. Dr. G recommended

Kyodophillus and we've been using it ever since with good

results. The only problem is you cannot take it close to the time

your son takes his antibiotic.

Good luck to your son, I hope this passes soon.

>__ _________ __

> > From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@sbcglobal .net>

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:47:27 AM

> > Subject: Re: Zithromax

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin

> > before this switch 7 days.....Ery- ped even

> > prior...typically I thought he did well on Biaxin in the

> > past. We went on these meds because he had a cough,

> > stuffiness, fever etc...not noticing those symptoms now.

> > He appears to be a lot better. My question is his behavior

> > is really regressed... He is yelling, dwelling on things

> > that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling to the

> > ground when things don't go his way, he is not himself

> > at all. He is verbal, in typical preschool independently,

> > no other therapies. Lately he has just come apart. Anybody

> > with this experience, or any advice. I really don't

> > understand the huge regression. He is also very emotional...

> > extremely emotional.

> >

> > Thanks for any help,

> >

> >

> > Sincerely Noel

> >

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Did Dr. G prescribe Dytan? I've not ever heard of it. We're going to try

switching to zyrtec and see if symptoms improve. He is so difficult right

now; it's very hard to talk to him or make him understand any other point of

view but his own.

Robyn

>

> > From: <thecolemans4>

> > Subject: Re: Re: Zithromax

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:38 AM

> > Hey Noel -

> > Garrett responds exactly the same way to zythromycin

> > emotionally and behaviorally, as well as to a couple

> of

> > allergy meds. You described it exactly.  We just

> went thru

> > it again with Allegra (allergy), and he would dwell

> > on something ' till I was ready to send him to

> his room

> > for a week.  I used to put all the blame on the fact

> that

> > he had been ill, or because it was 'kicking up

> > yeast' (it was not) but eventually as his

> behaviors had

> > stabilized, I was able to see actual meds trigger

> things

> > too.  Sometimes you just have to ride them out if

> it's

> > a short course, but I always ask the doctor to start

> with

> > what I know won't trip him out as bad before

> moving on

> > to the ones he's more intolerant of.  I'd

> rather

> > literally risk having to deal with the infection

> coming back

> > (doesn't happen so much these days thank

> goodness!) than

> > deal with a cranky-making antibiotic, because the

> bacterial

> > infection itself (aside from strep, that is) .   

> So,

> > fair warning

> > ... if he did this with z-pack, I bet he'll do it

> > w/Allegra - stay away!  He got very oppositional

> too.  God

> > I think I have post-traumatic stress from our Allegra

> spell

> > lol!  Take that 'lol' off - it was not funny

> at

> > all.

> >

> >  Zpacks are sometimes the right choice of med for

> him, but

> > I can count on him turning very, very mean before

> it's

> > over, and crying a lot to, especially if he's

> already

> > been sick for a while.  Not only do they take it for

> 5 days

> > (or more), if I remember, it is still in the system

> another

> > 5 days after.  Then you could have at worst another

> 3-5

> > days before all the anger, rage, and hyper-emotional

> parts

> > ease up.  I do think it starts easing up before the

> full 10

> > days though - I just really can't remember.  I

> > personally refuse to take a z-pack, because by day

> 3 it

> > sparks my brain off so badly that it races and I

> can't

> > hold a thought 2 seconds, and gives me crippling

> anxiety. 

> > I've told my mother don't come near me if she

> is on

> > a z-pack, because in her, it triggers rage.  But if

> my kids

> > have a bad enough sinus infection that we've

> already

> > tried something else with, then we'll use it and

> just

> > make it thru it.

> >

> > I'd report the problem to the doctor (is it Dr

> G?), but

> > pending response from the doc, I recommend finishing

> the

> > zythro if you only have a couple of more days... (if

> it was

> > a 5-day pack - how many days was it for?), because if

> that

> > is the trigger, then it's going to ease up as soon

> as

> > all the meds are out of his system, and if the

> infection is

> > gone (it's good about that), then you're in

> the

> > clear. I'd think twice about continuing it if

> you have

> > more than 5 days on it, because it's only going

> to get

> > worse before it gets better if it's

> > the zythromycin.   

> >

> > If that does not resolve the infection, the only

> antibiotic

> > I can remember that has not caused irritability (but

> wore

> > off it's effectiveness and takes at least weeks

> instead

> > of the usual 10 days) is Cefzil. Not Ceftin - I think

> > that's supposed to be the same, but I swear there

> is a

> > difference.  Cefzil.  I can count on it not whacking

> them

> > out ... but I can't count on it getting them

> totally

> > well either without a minimum of two weeks. 

> Sometimes,

> > that's just fine with me, because I hate those

> horrible

> > outbursts. 

> >

> >  A geneticist here explained that some of the allergy

> meds

> > (and antibiotics? ) work along either calcium or

> sodium

> > channels (??? can't remember which he said) and

> that

> > it's suspected that that channel is sometimes

> disrupted

> > or just connected to behavior changes (because I know

> > typical kids can also have the same reaction, just

> less

> > dramatic). He was one of the only docs I've ever

> come

> > across that would believe a connection, and

> > the ones I named at the time were reinforcing what

> he

> > thought it was. He didn't feel like it brought

> harm,

> > mainly just misery, and I think I agree (except the

> way it

> > harms mommy's sanity).  Dr G said some

> antibiotics have

> > certain immune modulating effects too, so sometimes

> they

> > impact behavior that way too.

> >

> > We struggle with the discipline issue during these bad

> > episodes ... how do we punish him?  We can't let

> him

> > talk to us that way can we?  We certainly can't

> let him

> > attack his brother physically and verbally.  We

> can't

> > lock him in his room the entire time. We can't

> send him

> > on a cruise or call some aliens to pick him up

> > or turn him over to an institution and say call us

> when he

> > gets nicer. We also can't stand to be around him

> either

> > - he's mean!!!!!  But punishment doesn't help

> > during this time - it exacerbates.  And that mouth? 

> > He's 9 now ... and wow ... only temporary insanity

> > would make him dare smart off like that!

>  We're

> > talking about a very high functioning child who has

> really

> > become aware of some of his triggers.  So I feel for

> ya!

> >

> > HTH- Sorry so long....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@sbcgloba l .net>

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:47:27 AM

> > Subject: Re: Zithromax

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >  

> > My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin

> > before this switch 7 days.....Ery- ped even

> > prior...typically I thought he did well on Biaxin in

> the

> > past. We went on these meds because he had a cough,

> > stuffiness, fever etc...not noticing those symptoms

> now. 

> > He appears to be a lot better. My question is his

> behavior

> > is really regressed... He is yelling, dwelling on

> things

> > that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling to the

> > ground when things don't go his way, he is not

> himself

> > at all.  He is verbal, in typical preschool

> independently,

> > no other therapies. Lately he has just come apart.

> Anybody

> > with this experience, or any advice.  I really

> don't

> > understand the huge regression. He is also very

> emotional...

> > extremely emotional.

> >  

> > Thanks for any help,

> >

> >  

> >  Sincerely Noel

> >

> >

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I remember that drug from when I was a kid. How old is your son? is

highly allergic to a lot of things, so doing nothing is not an option. I will

ask my pharmacist.

Thanks, Kristy.

Robyn

>

> > From: <thecolemans4@...

> <mailto:thecolemans4%40> >

> > Subject: Re: Re: Zithromax

> >

> <mailto:%40>

> > Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:38 AM

> > Hey Noel -

> > Garrett responds exactly the same way to zythromycin

> > emotionally and behaviorally, as well as to a couple

> of

> > allergy meds. You described it exactly. We just went

> thru

> > it again with Allegra (allergy), and he would dwell

> > on something 'till I was ready to send him to his

> room

> > for a week. I used to put all the blame on the fact

> that

> > he had been ill, or because it was 'kicking up

> > yeast' (it was not) but eventually as his

> behaviors had

> > stabilized, I was able to see actual meds trigger

> things

> > too. Sometimes you just have to ride them out if

> it's

> > a short course, but I always ask the doctor to start

> with

> > what I know won't trip him out as bad before

> moving on

> > to the ones he's more intolerant of. I'd

> rather

> > literally risk having to deal with the infection

> coming back

> > (doesn't happen so much these days thank

> goodness!) than

> > deal with a cranky-making antibiotic, because the

> bacterial

> > infection itself (aside from strep, that is) . So,

> > fair warning

> > ... if he did this with z-pack, I bet he'll do it

> > w/Allegra - stay away! He got very oppositional too.

> God

> > I think I have post-traumatic stress from our Allegra

> spell

> > lol! Take that 'lol' off - it was not funny

> at

> > all.

> >

> > Zpacks are sometimes the right choice of med for him,

> but

> > I can count on him turning very, very mean before

> it's

> > over, and crying a lot to, especially if he's

> already

> > been sick for a while. Not only do they take it for 5

> days

> > (or more), if I remember, it is still in the system

> another

> > 5 days after. Then you could have at worst another

> 3-5

> > days before all the anger, rage, and hyper-emotional

> parts

> > ease up. I do think it starts easing up before the

> full 10

> > days though - I just really can't remember. I

> > personally refuse to take a z-pack, because by day 3

> it

> > sparks my brain off so badly that it races and I

> can't

> > hold a thought 2 seconds, and gives me crippling

> anxiety.

> > I've told my mother don't come near me if she

> is on

> > a z-pack, because in her, it triggers rage. But if my

> kids

> > have a bad enough sinus infection that we've

> already

> > tried something else with, then we'll use it and

> just

> > make it thru it.

> >

> > I'd report the problem to the doctor (is it Dr

> G?), but

> > pending response from the doc, I recommend finishing

> the

> > zythro if you only have a couple of more days... (if

> it was

> > a 5-day pack - how many days was it for?), because if

> that

> > is the trigger, then it's going to ease up as soon

> as

> > all the meds are out of his system, and if the

> infection is

> > gone (it's good about that), then you're in

> the

> > clear. I'd think twice about continuing it if you

> have

> > more than 5 days on it, because it's only going to

> get

> > worse before it gets better if it's

> > the zythromycin.

> >

> > If that does not resolve the infection, the only

> antibiotic

> > I can remember that has not caused irritability (but

> wore

> > off it's effectiveness and takes at least weeks

> instead

> > of the usual 10 days) is Cefzil. Not Ceftin - I think

> > that's supposed to be the same, but I swear there

> is a

> > difference. Cefzil. I can count on it not whacking

> them

> > out ... but I can't count on it getting them

> totally

> > well either without a minimum of two weeks.

> Sometimes,

> > that's just fine with me, because I hate those

> horrible

> > outbursts.

> >

> > A geneticist here explained that some of the allergy

> meds

> > (and antibiotics?) work along either calcium or sodium

> > channels (??? can't remember which he said) and

> that

> > it's suspected that that channel is sometimes

> disrupted

> > or just connected to behavior changes (because I know

> > typical kids can also have the same reaction, just

> less

> > dramatic). He was one of the only docs I've ever

> come

> > across that would believe a connection, and

> > the ones I named at the time were reinforcing what he

> > thought it was. He didn't feel like it brought

> harm,

> > mainly just misery, and I think I agree (except the

> way it

> > harms mommy's sanity). Dr G said some antibiotics

> have

> > certain immune modulating effects too, so sometimes

> they

> > impact behavior that way too.

> >

> > We struggle with the discipline issue during these bad

> > episodes ... how do we punish him? We can't let

> him

> > talk to us that way can we? We certainly can't

> let him

> > attack his brother physically and verbally. We

> can't

> > lock him in his room the entire time. We can't

> send him

> > on a cruise or call some aliens to pick him up

> > or turn him over to an institution and say call us

> when he

> > gets nicer. We also can't stand to be around him

> either

> > - he's mean!!!!! But punishment doesn't help

> > during this time - it exacerbates. And that mouth?

> > He's 9 now ... and wow ... only temporary insanity

> > would make him dare smart off like that! We're

> > talking about a very high functioning child who has

> really

> > become aware of some of his triggers. So I feel for

> ya!

> >

> > HTH- Sorry so long....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@...

> <mailto:schneid99%40sbcglobal.net> >

> >

> <mailto:%40>

> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:47:27 AM

> > Subject: Re: Zithromax

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin

> > before this switch 7 days.....Ery- ped even

> > prior...typically I thought he did well on Biaxin in

> the

> > past. We went on these meds because he had a cough,

> > stuffiness, fever etc...not noticing those symptoms

> now.

> > He appears to be a lot better. My question is his

> behavior

> > is really regressed... He is yelling, dwelling on

> things

> > that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling to the

> > ground when things don't go his way, he is not

> himself

> > at all. He is verbal, in typical preschool

> independently,

> > no other therapies. Lately he has just come apart.

> Anybody

> > with this experience, or any advice. I really

> don't

> > understand the huge regression. He is also very

> emotional...

> > extremely emotional.

> >

> > Thanks for any help,

> >

> >

> > Sincerely Noel

> >

> >

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No - Dr G didn't prescribe the Dytan.  The boys were already off the protocol at

that time. It's also not as good as the zyrtec or allegra, so that may be reason

enough for him not to use it.  I don't know how he feels about it, but I know it

is not one of the chosen ones - just don't know why.  I would ask though. 

HTH-

________________________________

From: Robyn & Greg Coggins <rngcoggs@...>

Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:54:36 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Zithromax

Did Dr. G prescribe Dytan? I've not ever heard of it. We're going to try

switching to zyrtec and see if symptoms improve. He is so difficult right

now; it's very hard to talk to him or make him understand any other point of

view but his own.

Robyn

>

> > From: <thecolemans4>

> > Subject: Re: Re: Zithromax

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:38 AM

> > Hey Noel -

> > Garrett responds exactly the same way to zythromycin

> > emotionally and behaviorally, as well as to a couple

> of

> > allergy meds. You described it exactly.  We just

> went thru

> > it again with Allegra (allergy), and he would dwell

> > on something ' till I was ready to send him to

> his room

> > for a week.  I used to put all the blame on the fact

> that

> > he had been ill, or because it was 'kicking up

> > yeast' (it was not) but eventually as his

> behaviors had

> > stabilized, I was able to see actual meds trigger

> things

> > too.  Sometimes you just have to ride them out if

> it's

> > a short course, but I always ask the doctor to start

> with

> > what I know won't trip him out as bad before

> moving on

> > to the ones he's more intolerant of.  I'd

> rather

> > literally risk having to deal with the infection

> coming back

> > (doesn't happen so much these days thank

> goodness!) than

> > deal with a cranky-making antibiotic, because the

> bacterial

> > infection itself (aside from strep, that is) .   

> So,

> > fair warning

> > ... if he did this with z-pack, I bet he'll do it

> > w/Allegra - stay away!  He got very oppositional

> too.  God

> > I think I have post-traumatic stress from our Allegra

> spell

> > lol!  Take that 'lol' off - it was not funny

> at

> > all.

> >

> >  Zpacks are sometimes the right choice of med for

> him, but

> > I can count on him turning very, very mean before

> it's

> > over, and crying a lot to, especially if he's

> already

> > been sick for a while.  Not only do they take it for

> 5 days

> > (or more), if I remember, it is still in the system

> another

> > 5 days after.  Then you could have at worst another

> 3-5

> > days before all the anger, rage, and hyper-emotional

> parts

> > ease up.  I do think it starts easing up before the

> full 10

> > days though - I just really can't remember.  I

> > personally refuse to take a z-pack, because by day

> 3 it

> > sparks my brain off so badly that it races and I

> can't

> > hold a thought 2 seconds, and gives me crippling

> anxiety. 

> > I've told my mother don't come near me if she

> is on

> > a z-pack, because in her, it triggers rage.  But if

> my kids

> > have a bad enough sinus infection that we've

> already

> > tried something else with, then we'll use it and

> just

> > make it thru it.

> >

> > I'd report the problem to the doctor (is it Dr

> G?), but

> > pending response from the doc, I recommend finishing

> the

> > zythro if you only have a couple of more days... (if

> it was

> > a 5-day pack - how many days was it for?), because if

> that

> > is the trigger, then it's going to ease up as soon

> as

> > all the meds are out of his system, and if the

> infection is

> > gone (it's good about that), then you're in

> the

> > clear. I'd think twice about continuing it if

> you have

> > more than 5 days on it, because it's only going

> to get

> > worse before it gets better if it's

> > the zythromycin.   

> >

> > If that does not resolve the infection, the only

> antibiotic

> > I can remember that has not caused irritability (but

> wore

> > off it's effectiveness and takes at least weeks

> instead

> > of the usual 10 days) is Cefzil. Not Ceftin - I think

> > that's supposed to be the same, but I swear there

> is a

> > difference.  Cefzil.  I can count on it not whacking

> them

> > out ... but I can't count on it getting them

> totally

> > well either without a minimum of two weeks. 

> Sometimes,

> > that's just fine with me, because I hate those

> horrible

> > outbursts. 

> >

> >  A geneticist here explained that some of the allergy

> meds

> > (and antibiotics? ) work along either calcium or

> sodium

> > channels (??? can't remember which he said) and

> that

> > it's suspected that that channel is sometimes

> disrupted

> > or just connected to behavior changes (because I know

> > typical kids can also have the same reaction, just

> less

> > dramatic). He was one of the only docs I've ever

> come

> > across that would believe a connection, and

> > the ones I named at the time were reinforcing what

> he

> > thought it was. He didn't feel like it brought

> harm,

> > mainly just misery, and I think I agree (except the

> way it

> > harms mommy's sanity).  Dr G said some

> antibiotics have

> > certain immune modulating effects too, so sometimes

> they

> > impact behavior that way too.

> >

> > We struggle with the discipline issue during these bad

> > episodes ... how do we punish him?  We can't let

> him

> > talk to us that way can we?  We certainly can't

> let him

> > attack his brother physically and verbally.  We

> can't

> > lock him in his room the entire time. We can't

> send him

> > on a cruise or call some aliens to pick him up

> > or turn him over to an institution and say call us

> when he

> > gets nicer. We also can't stand to be around him

> either

> > - he's mean!!!!!  But punishment doesn't help

> > during this time - it exacerbates.  And that mouth? 

> > He's 9 now ... and wow ... only temporary insanity

> > would make him dare smart off like that!

>  We're

> > talking about a very high functioning child who has

> really

> > become aware of some of his triggers.  So I feel for

> ya!

> >

> > HTH- Sorry so long....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@sbcgloba l .net>

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:47:27 AM

> > Subject: Re: Zithromax

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >  

> > My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and Biaxin

> > before this switch 7 days.....Ery- ped even

> > prior...typically I thought he did well on Biaxin in

> the

> > past. We went on these meds because he had a cough,

> > stuffiness, fever etc...not noticing those symptoms

> now. 

> > He appears to be a lot better. My question is his

> behavior

> > is really regressed... He is yelling, dwelling on

> things

> > that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling to the

> > ground when things don't go his way, he is not

> himself

> > at all.  He is verbal, in typical preschool

> independently,

> > no other therapies. Lately he has just come apart.

> Anybody

> > with this experience, or any advice.  I really

> don't

> > understand the huge regression. He is also very

> emotional...

> > extremely emotional.

> >  

> > Thanks for any help,

> >

> >  

> >  Sincerely Noel

> >

> >

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> >

> > > From: <thecolemans4@

> >

> > > Subject: Re: Re: Zithromax

> > > groups (DOT) com

> > > Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:38 AM

> > > Hey Noel -

> > > Garrett responds exactly the same way to

> zythromycin

> > > emotionally and behaviorally, as well as to a

> couple

> > of

> > > allergy meds. You described it exactly.  We

> just

> > went thru

> > > it again with Allegra (allergy), and he would

> dwell

> > > on something ' till I was ready to send him

> to

> > his room

> > > for a week.  I used to put all the blame on the

> fact

> > that

> > > he had been ill, or because it was 'kicking

> up

> > > yeast' (it was not) but eventually as his

> > behaviors had

> > > stabilized, I was able to see actual meds trigger

> > things

> > > too.  Sometimes you just have to ride them

> out if

> > it's

> > > a short course, but I always ask the doctor to

> start

> > with

> > > what I know won't trip him out as bad before

> > moving on

> > > to the ones he's more intolerant of. 

> I'd

> > rather

> > > literally risk having to deal with the infection

> > coming back

> > > (doesn't happen so much these days thank

> > goodness!) than

> > > deal with a cranky-making antibiotic, because the

> > bacterial

> > > infection itself (aside from strep, that is)

> .   

> > So,

> > > fair warning

> > > ... if he did this with z-pack, I bet he'll

> do it

> > > w/Allegra - stay away!  He got very oppositional

> > too.  God

> > > I think I have post-traumatic stress from our

> Allegra

> > spell

> > > lol!  Take that 'lol' off - it was not

> funny

> > at

> > > all.

> > >

> > >  Zpacks are sometimes the right choice of med

> for

> > him, but

> > > I can count on him turning very, very mean

> before

> > it's

> > > over, and crying a lot to, especially if he's

> > already

> > > been sick for a while.  Not only do they take it

> for

> > 5 days

> > > (or more), if I remember, it is still in the

> system

> > another

> > > 5 days after.  Then you could have at

> worst another

> > 3-5

> > > days before all the anger, rage, and

> hyper-emotional

> > parts

> > > ease up.  I do think it starts easing up before

> the

> > full 10

> > > days though - I just really can't remember. 

> I

> > > personally refuse to take a z-pack, because by

> day

> > 3 it

> > > sparks my brain off so badly that it races and I

> > can't

> > > hold a thought 2 seconds, and gives me crippling

> > anxiety. 

> > > I've told my mother don't come near me if

> she

> > is on

> > > a z-pack, because in her, it triggers rage.  But

> if

> > my kids

> > > have a bad enough sinus infection that we've

> > already

> > > tried something else with, then we'll use it

> and

> > just

> > > make it thru it.

> > >

> > > I'd report the problem to the doctor (is it

> Dr

> > G?), but

> > > pending response from the doc, I recommend

> finishing

> > the

> > > zythro if you only have a couple of more days...

> (if

> > it was

> > > a 5-day pack - how many days was it for?),

> because if

> > that

> > > is the trigger, then it's going to ease up as

> soon

> > as

> > > all the meds are out of his system, and if the

> > infection is

> > > gone (it's good about that), then you're

> in

> > the

> > > clear. I'd think twice about continuing it

> if

> > you have

> > > more than 5 days on it, because it's only

> going

> > to get

> > > worse before it gets better if it's

> > > the zythromycin.   

> > >

> > > If that does not resolve the infection, the only

> > antibiotic

> > > I can remember that has not caused irritability

> (but

> > wore

> > > off it's effectiveness and takes at least

> weeks

> > instead

> > > of the usual 10 days) is Cefzil. Not Ceftin - I

> think

> > > that's supposed to be the same, but I swear

> there

> > is a

> > > difference.  Cefzil.  I can count on it not

> whacking

> > them

> > > out ... but I can't count on it getting them

> > totally

> > > well either without a minimum of two weeks. 

> > Sometimes,

> > > that's just fine with me, because I hate

> those

> > horrible

> > > outbursts. 

> > >

> > >  A geneticist here explained that some of the

> allergy

> > meds

> > > (and antibiotics? ) work along either calcium or

> > sodium

> > > channels (??? can't remember which he said)

> and

> > that

> > > it's suspected that that channel is sometimes

> > disrupted

> > > or just connected to behavior changes (because I

> know

> > > typical kids can also have the same reaction,

> just

> > less

> > > dramatic). He was one of the only docs I've

> ever

> > come

> > > across that would believe a connection, and

> > > the ones I named at the time were

> reinforcing what

> > he

> > > thought it was. He didn't feel like it

> brought

> > harm,

> > > mainly just misery, and I think I agree (except

> the

> > way it

> > > harms mommy's sanity).  Dr G said some

> > antibiotics have

> > > certain immune modulating effects too, so

> sometimes

> > they

> > > impact behavior that way too.

> > >

> > > We struggle with the discipline issue during

> these bad

> > > episodes ... how do we punish him?  We can't

> let

> > him

> > > talk to us that way can we?  We certainly

> can't

> > let him

> > > attack his brother physically and verbally.  We

> > can't

> > > lock him in his room the entire time. We

> can't

> > send him

> > > on a cruise or call some aliens to pick him up

> > > or turn him over to an institution and say call

> us

> > when he

> > > gets nicer. We also can't stand to be around

> him

> > either

> > > - he's mean!!!!!  But punishment doesn't

> help

> > > during this time - it exacerbates.  And that

> mouth? 

> > > He's 9 now ... and wow ... only temporary

> insanity

> > > would make him dare smart off like that!

> >  We're

> > > talking about a very high functioning child who

> has

> > really

> > > become aware of some of his triggers.  So I feel

> for

> > ya!

> > >

> > > HTH- Sorry so long....

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@sbcgloba l

> .net>

> > > groups (DOT) com

> > > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:47:27 AM

> > > Subject: Re: Zithromax

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >  

> > > My son has been on Zithromax for 3 days now and

> Biaxin

> > > before this switch 7 days.....Ery- ped even

> > > prior...typically I thought he did well on Biaxin

> in

> > the

> > > past. We went on these meds because he had a

> cough,

> > > stuffiness, fever etc...not noticing those

> symptoms

> > now. 

> > > He appears to be a lot better. My question is his

> > behavior

> > > is really regressed... He is yelling, dwelling on

> > things

> > > that mean nothing, extremely irritable, falling

> to the

> > > ground when things don't go his way, he is

> not

> > himself

> > > at all.  He is verbal, in typical preschool

> > independently,

> > > no other therapies. Lately he has just come

> apart.

> > Anybody

> > > with this experience, or any advice.  I really

> > don't

> > > understand the huge regression. He is also very

> > emotional...

> > > extremely emotional.

> > >  

> > > Thanks for any help,

> > >

> > >  

> > >  Sincerely Noel

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

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