Guest guest Posted May 8, 1999 Report Share Posted May 8, 1999 << there are patients on this list who are either newly diagnosed or not well informed about CFIDS and others posting here will sometimes take advantage of that. Such was the case with Dr. C., but more was found out by talking to support group leaders in his area and some past patients as well as to one area hospital. Since it will serve no constructive purpose to disclose all this, I merely used the rule that was broken by him to put him on no-post. Now the Ampligen story is a long one and one that is not easily understood. I did a survey on Ampligen patients for The National Forum. >>... Gail, Thanks for the explanation. I've been wondering a lot of the same things that Beth brought up in her post. I understand and appreciate what you've done re Dr. C. As far as the ampligen explanation goes, wow! You or someone, maybe , could/should write a book about this, sort of a what's new since Osler's Web book. I try to avoid the controversy on this and all lists, but the information you present is too hard for me to resist commenting on! There are some people who take Ampligen who are afraid that they will be denied further Ampligen if what you say comes to light. I am beginning to understand their fears. If I were taking something that was helping me, I'd do anything (almost) to ensure that I had access to a steady supply of it. On the other hand, CFS sufferers, like me, need to know that it's not a miracle for all CFS sufferers. I've heard that if you test RNASE-L positive that Ampligen is more likely to be helpful. Do you have any info on this? Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 1999 Report Share Posted May 8, 1999 In a message dated 5/8/99 8:06:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KB46@... writes: << heard that if you test RNASE-L positive that Ampligen is more likely to be helpful. Do you have any info on this? >> That's all part of what we'd like strong data on. We've heard that some patients weren't tested until after they began a trial but even those who tested positive were not immune to having severe side effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Re: OCD and Privacy: Hi everyone. I've been reading all of your mail for a few weeks. Thank you all for your openness and insights. I met some of you at the OCF conference in Arlington last month. I have a 9 year old son with OCD. It is moderate in intensity. He's probably had it since birth. We've been seeing a therapist for about a year and a psychiatrist this summer since he started on Luvox. I have to say that after a month on Luvox we are actually seeing some progress. A lessening of his anxieties overall. Now that he's feeling somewhat better he wants to tell people about his medicine, how he learned to swallow pills, and about his therapy. In fact, he told the whole story to his best friend last night. I've never told his friend's mother about Josh's problems, but I guess now I need to fill her in because her son will probably be asking questions. I'm curious how any of you have dealt with the issue of telling family, friends and school about your child's disorder. As of this past year we had not told the school anything about him since it didn't seem to affect him at school or his schoolwork very much. Any insights would be helpful. Thank you. Maris --- onelist wrote: > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 1999 Report Share Posted September 29, 1999 Lynn My son SEEMED to develop normally untill somewhere around his MMR shot (22 months) when he became sensitive to food and sounds. He could speak but definitely did not see the use for it unless he wanted something . At 8 1/2 he now talks constantly, mostly to himself, and has very little sensitivity to sound but still does to food. He has been recently diagnosed as NLD (non verbal learning disabled) , ADHD, anxious and depressed. I emphasised " seemed " because there may have been some things about him that were different before it became obvious. He didn't play imaginitively or with other kids or do much that involved fine motor skills. My daughter is an honor student at her school and she was not breast fed. My son was breast fed for 6 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 1999 Report Share Posted September 29, 1999 I had trouble breatfeeding myself also. I tried for a week or so and it didn't work. My son also never gazed inot my eyes actually he'd get very overstimulated if i or anyone held him much, he was also premature though too. But i ahve a little girl now that was more preemie than him and she breastfeeds beautifully and becomes overstimulated but not with me. My sona nd i have always seemed to ahve an attachment problem. karla ---------- > From: onelist > onelist > Subject: Digest Number 183 > Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 1:54 AM > > > > > There are 24 messages in this issue. > > Topics in today's digest: > > 1. Vax Pathology Debunked / New Age Psych Refuted / Gene Chip / Vax on CBS? > From: " FEAT " <feat@...> > 2. Re: (no subject) > From: JOSKAT95@... > 3. Re: (no subject) > From: " Nannie " <nannie@...> > 4. Re: nail fungus and ezcema > From: Nuggette4@... > 5. Re: Questions - Is epilepsy & herpes virus (cold sores) mutually exclu... > From: Knightmls@... > 6. Re: Questions - Is epilepsy & herpes virus (cold sores) mutually exclu... > From: Knightmls@... > 7. Re: Questions - Is epilepsy & herpes virus (cold sores) mutually exclu... > From: lois noland <jlois@...> > 8. Re: Breastfeeding > From: " The Kramer Family " <nmkramer@...> > 9. Re: Breast Milk & IQ / Organic is Worse / IDEA Updates / Brain Grows > From: Loretta L McMahon <lmcmahon@...> > 10. Ladies home journal > From: lois noland <jlois@...> > 11. ISR = Immune Status Ratio > From: Binstock <aspergerian@...> > 12. Fwd: " What you don't know can cost you? " Autism Seminar (CALL TO ACTION!) > From: Valleyhts@... > 13. site > From: lois noland <jlois@...> > 14. Re: Breast Milk & IQ / Organic is Worse / IDEA Updates / Brain Grows > From: CWither43@... > 15. ADDERAL > From: " Martha F. Negrete " <mnegrete@...> > 16. Re: Re: Breastfeeding > From: Dangml@... > 17. Re: ADDERAL > From: Whereit@... > 18. Re: Re: Breastfeeding > From: LMMLYNN@... > 19. Re: Re: Breastfeeding > From: " the adams' " <adams6@...> > 20. Re: Re: Breastfeeding > From: Kkscharste@... > 21. Re: Re: Breastfeeding > From: " Randolph C. " <rperez@...> > 22. Re: Re: Breastfeeding > From: JD448NOW@... > 23. Re: Re: Breastfeeding > From: JD448NOW@... > 24. On CNN / Folic Acid & Downs / People Mag. / Dr. London Speaks > From: " FEAT " <feat@...> > > > __________________________________________________________________________ _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ _____ > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:43:50 -0700 > From: " FEAT " <feat@...> > Subject: Vax Pathology Debunked / New Age Psych Refuted / Gene Chip / Vax on CBS? > > FEAT DAILY ONLINE NEWSLETTER Families for Early Autism Treatment > http://www.feat.org M.I.N.D.: http://mindinstitute.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu > Letters Editor: FEAT@... Archive: http://www.feat.org/listarchive/ > " Healing Autism: No Finer a Cause on the Planet " > ____________________________________________________________ > Vax Pathology Debunked / New Age Psych Refuted / Gene Chip / Vax on CBS? > Tuesday, September 28, 1999 > > Vaccine Side Effect Debunked: CBS News > > [From Reuters. http://www.cbs.com/flat/story_188878.html ] > > Vaccines that protect against a common cause of ear infections, > meningitis and chest infection, as well as against hepatitis B, do not seem > to cause juvenile diabetes, researchers said Sunday. > They said their findings should answer worries voiced by anti-vaccine > groups, which have suggested that vaccines can cause the immune system to go > awry, leading to autoimmune diseases such as juvenile diabetes. > " I think that is an important finding, " Dr. Barbara Murray of the > University of Texas at Houston told reporters at a meeting of infectious > disease experts hosted by the American Society for Microbiology. > " This is not a huge concern, but once it is expressed it is usually > picked up by others. " > Anti-vaccine groups have fought against infant hepatitis B virus > immunizations, arguing in hearings held in Congress earlier this year that > they can confuse the immune system. > But a team at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in > Atlanta found no link. > The team looked at the diabetes registrations for three large health > maintenance organizations for all children born since 1988. They found 140 > children with type-I or juvenile diabetes, caused when the immune system > attacks certain pancreatic cells. > The researchers told the meeting that 94 percent of all children, those > with diabetes and those without, had been vaccinated for Haemophilus > influenzae type B (Hib) and about 40 percent against the hepatitis B virus. > " Hib and hepatitis vaccines were not associated with an increased risk > of type-I diabetes, " they told the meeting. > The same team looked at 116,000 children, 11,000 of who had asthma, and > found no suggestion that the common DTP (diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis) > vaccine or measles, mumps and rubella vaccines caused asthma. > * * * > > Immunization Injured Child On CBS News Today? > > At least two subscribers to autism related email lists report there > will be an item on the CBS News today, early evening. It is about a little > girl named who had a vaccination and has been disabled ever since. A > lister reports that " she was in a coma for 5 days after the vaccination and > that's about all I know. " Ditto here. We will present more details as we > find them. Thanks to Ruth on the FEATlist.] > * * * > > Psychology - Disease Connection Refuted > > While many self-help books are based on the premise that disease is > rooted in emotional distress, a new study found no such link when it comes > to breast cancer. > After an analysis of 46 studies that looked at a potential link between > breast cancer and psychological health, researchers from Roswell Park Cancer > Institute in Buffalo, New York, and the University of Illinois at > Urbana-Champaign found that anxious or depressed women, women who > experienced a difficult childhood and women who do not express their > feelings of anger, are no more likely to develop breast cancer than other > women without psychological complaints. > " The results reported herein speak against the conventional wisdom that > personality and stress factors influence the development of breast cancer, " > Dr. A. Zevon and colleagues write in the journal Health Psychology. > These research findings also call into question the notion " that there > is an element of controllability in personal illness such that by changing > some aspect of one's personality or behavior, one can change one's physical > health and/or risk of illness, " the authors note. > In the current study, the investigators looked at how eight measures of > psychological health -- anxiety/depression, childhood environment, > conflict-avoidant style, denial/repression coping, expression of anger, > extraversion, separation/loss and stressful events -- affected breast cancer > risk. > Women who reported anxiety/depression, an unhappy childhood, not > expressing their anger or hostility and those who are introverted were not > found to be at greater risk of developing breast cancer. However, women > whose coping strategy is based on denial and repression, have experienced > separation and/or loss, and have a history of stress in their lives may be > modestly more likely to develop breast cancer. > To an even lesser degree, women who tend to shun conflict may also be > at increased risk of breast cancer, the study authors found. > " It is important to note, however, that association is not causation, > and based on the current data we should not infer that by changing these > factors women can substantially alter their risk of breast cancer, " Zevon > explains in a press statement. " Overall, the current data continue to > support the primacy of biology, rather than personality or life experiences, > in the development of breast cancer. " > SOURCE: Health Psychology 1999;18:1-12. > * * * > > Advance May Put Gene Chip Technology On Scientists' Desktops > > [From University of Wisconsin-Madison] > > The sexiest, most insightful technology in modern genetics, the gene > chip, a technology that permits scientists to analyze thousands of genes at > once, may soon come within easy reach of most biologists. > Writing in the October issue of the journal Nature Biotechnology, a > group of scientists from the University of Wisconsin-Madison describe a new > way to cheaply and simply manufacture the customized chips capable of > deconstructing long segments of DNA. The technique enables biologists to > scour huge chunks of animal and plant genomes in search of the genes that > promote disease, the genetic switches that govern such biological phenomena > as aging, and the DNA codes that permit microorganisms to make antibiotics. > At present, such chips are available only from a single company, > Affymetrix of Santa Clara, Calif. Off the shelf versions of Affymetrix chips > cost $2,500. Customized chips containing DNA from specific organisms or > tissues can take months to make and cost as much as $12,000 each. > " Now, the chips are expensive. You use it one time and throw it away, " > said Roland Green, a UW-Madison post-doctoral fellow and a lead author of > the Nature Biotechnology paper. > The new technique, according to Sussman, a UW-Madison professor > of horticulture and genetics, and a co-author of the paper, is known as MAS > for Maskless Array Synthesizer. It promises to take the technology and put > it in the laboratory of virtually any research biologist. > " This technology could sit on anyone's bench top, " said Sussman. " It > will give people the ability to make any array of synthetic compounds, any > time. " > Gene chip technology now depends on photolithography, a process that > requires shining ultraviolet light through a series of stencil-like masks > onto a glass chip resulting in the synthesis of tens of thousands of DNA > molecules of interest. Each DNA molecule synthesized on such a chip, said > Sussman, is like a window to a wealth of genetic information, providing a > glimpse of the workings of tens of thousands of genes found in the cells of > living organisms. > A recent example of gene chip technology at work was the report of > another group of Wisconsin scientists who used a gene chip to discover the > genes involved in the process of aging in mice. > But making those chips and their masks, each customized to dissect a > specific problem in genomic analysis, is a clumsy, time-consuming and > expensive process. Sometimes, as many as 100 masks are required to make a > single chip that has as many as 500,000 tiny, DNA-laden compartments. > The new technology reported by the Wisconsin team capitalizes on an > off-the-shelf Texas Instruments technology used in overhead projection known > as Digital Light Processors. At the heart of the technology is an array of > 480,000 tiny aluminum mirrors arranged on a computer chip. > By manipulating the mirrors, the Wisconsin team, an unusual mix of > molecular biologists and semiconductor engineers, found that they could > shine light in very specific patterns, eliminating entirely the need for the > delicate and expensive masks used in traditional DNA chip technology. > The MAS process for making customized DNA chips, according to > UW-Madison professor of electrical and computer engineering Franco Cerrina, > can be likened to desktop publishing: " Instead of several weeks, it takes > eight hours to make a chip, " he said, and the cost of producing such chips > is reduced significantly. > Moreover, MAS has the potential to be used to clinically diagnose > genetic disease in humans, and holds great promise for various drug > discovery schemes, and the testing of other biological building blocks such > as proteins and carbohydrates. > ____________________________________________________________ > editor: Lenny Schafer east coast editor: , Ph.D. > schafer@... CIJOHN@... > ***** WHY YOU MAY WANT TO SUBSCRIBE (or unsubscribe) ***** > To The FEAT Daily Online Newsletter: Daily we collect features and news of > the world of autism as it breaks. (no cost): http://www.feat.org/FEATNews > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ _____ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:58:18 EDT > From: JOSKAT95@... > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > You can get them at most Health Food stores. If they don't have them they can > order them. > > > __________________________________________________________________________ _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ _____ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:25:15 -0400 > From: " Nannie " <nannie@...> > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > Try Ener-G. www.ener-g.com > for the cookies! > > > Re: Breast Milk & IQ / Organic is Worse / IDEA Updates / Brain Grows > > I had a hard time nursing my daughter. I gave up after two weeks. I > felt terribly guilty. My daughter turned out fine. In fact, she is in > the gifted program at school . She has few allergies. I nursed by son > for 7 months. He ended up with autism, terrible allergies , and chronic > ear infections. I no longer feel guilty for not nursing my daughter. I > really wonder if 10 years from now they're going to tell us something > altogether different. > > LLM > > On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:40:26 -0400 lois noland <jlois@...> writes: > >From: lois noland <jlois@...> > > > >Becky, Yes, I had trouble to. I only lasted 1 week before I had to > >change to > >formala. Lois (JJSMOM) > > > >Valleyhts@... wrote: > > > >> From: Valleyhts@... > >> > >> When I read this article on breast milk and IQ I was again struck > >with > >> extreme guilt. I didn't intend to bottle feed my son, but he would > >not...or > >> perhaps could not...breast feed. It was really sad for me. > >> > >> Did anyone else have trouble breast feeding her child? I am now > >curious if > >> this is a common problem among our children. Becky > >> > >> > > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 1999 Report Share Posted October 1, 1999 Hi Sandy, thanks so much for that info, I think that you may be pretty accurate, I have a couple of other groups I am on.. and they all say the same as you, but some read it as mod to high....I guess it depends on the doctors and labs....I do thank you for your efforts, and I always recheck with the doctors....if I find out anything otherwise, I will let you know. thanks. ine. ============================ > Hi ine, > My brothers RNA results came back the same way and we didn't understand how > to interpret the numbers. In a book we found it gave info on the virus levels > and what is considered low levels of virus in the system, moderate levels, > and high levels. It said that 10 million particles and below was considered > low, 10-20 million particles was moderate, anything over 20 million was > considered high levels. Well, I remembered enough math from high school to > know that the first number given was to be multiplied by 10 to the 6th power, > which means you multipy 1.6 by 10, that result is multiplied by 10, that > result is multiplied by 10, and so on until you have done it 6 times. The > final result, we think, is the amount of viral load. In your case I came up > with 1,600,000, which would indicate a relatively low viral load. Now, PLEASE > UNDERSTAND, I have no idea if this is correct or not. Please do not take this > as the certain answer!!!!! We can't seem to ever get answers from his doctor, > so we end up trying to figure this stuff out for ourselves. We do plan to > continue trying to find out, and if I find out further info, especially if we > are wrong about this, I will let you know. I just hate for you to not have > any answers and wanted to at least respond to your post with what I thought > might be some answers. Please, if anyone knows something about this please > respond. Thanks, Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 1999 Report Share Posted November 30, 1999 In a message dated 11/30/1999 8:20:04 AM Central Standard Time, candidiasisonelist writes: > candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2000 Report Share Posted March 3, 2000 Gretchen, I lived a relatively active life with CMT (cheerleading, dancing, etc.) until my first pregnancy. That threw me into a rapid decline. The pregnancy was difficult, though, as I wasn't able to keep anything down for most of the pregnancy and lost alot of nutrition. I was on meds for the nausea and also had my gallbladder removed at 20 weeks of preg. The baby is now a gifted 5 year old boy who knew every state and their capital at age 2, and now reads and writes at a 6th grade level, although he is in kindergarten! Relieved to know that the trauma didn't affect him, and he so far shows no sign of CMT (knock on wood!). I had foot problems by age 3 and walked tippy-toed by then. I pray every day that both my boys continue to stay healthy. Rhonda Subject: Kinds of stresses Hi everyone, you have all said from time to time that stress is a big contributing factor to the ups and downs of CMT. Can anyone give me concrete examples of these 'certain stresses', like whether it is work/career, the kids, husband/wife, dealing with pain, a car accident, a death in the family,moving to a new town, new house, whatever, etc? Thank you all for your insight! Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2000 Report Share Posted May 21, 2000 In a message dated 5/20/00 9:31:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, egroups writes: << I will be available for menopause counseling when you all are ready, assuming I don't have Alzheimers by then. Sherry the elder. >> heheheh......LMAO, Sherry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2000 Report Share Posted May 21, 2000 I hope someone is keeping tabs on ages here, *just* for statistics. I would like to know the average age, *just* for fun. I trust our statistics over the Docs any day. I read that 80% of DS children are born to moms 35 and under. That wasn't what I was told before I had Josiah. Most Mom's I met have been under 35. I was 29 when Josiah was born. I had an unltrasound at 6 months pregnant and nothing showed up. After Josiah was born and had such a severe heart defect, we wondered why it didn't show up on the ultrasound. Lesa ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2000 Report Share Posted May 22, 2000 That is because women under 35 have more children then those over 35. Also, most places do not offer amnio or AFP to those under 35. Sara >>> will.obey@... - 05/21/0 11:58 PM >>> I hope someone is keeping tabs on ages here, *just* for statistics. I would like to know the average age, *just* for fun. I trust our statistics over the Docs any day. I read that 80% of DS children are born to moms 35 and under. That wasn't what I was told before I had Josiah. Most Mom's I met have been under 35. I was 29 when Josiah was born. I had an unltrasound at 6 months pregnant and nothing showed up. After Josiah was born and had such a severe heart defect, we wondered why it didn't show up on the ultrasound. Lesa ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Up to 60% OFF food! Buy Now and Shipping is Free. 1/4016/10/_/691668/_/958968096/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2000 Report Share Posted June 13, 2000 Iron is one of the few, " average " chemicals that you should not take. Iron gets stored in the liver and can build up. It can actually have a very negative effect, and do more damage. Normally, iron is an answer to many types of anemia, but, with HCV, it is always recommended that you minimize your iron intake. If you are eating somewhat normal, you'll have more than enough iron in your foods, if not too much. My opinion is DO NOT take any multi-vitamin with iron and avoid iron the same as you would alcohol. Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2000 Report Share Posted June 13, 2000 Iron is one of the few, " average " chemicals that you should not take. Iron gets stored in the liver and can build up. It can actually have a very negative effect, and do more damage. Normally, iron is an answer to many types of anemia, but, with HCV, it is always recommended that you minimize your iron intake. If you are eating somewhat normal, you'll have more than enough iron in your foods, if not too much. My opinion is DO NOT take any multi-vitamin with iron and avoid iron the same as you would alcohol. Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2000 Report Share Posted June 13, 2000 Hi beth, I was told only take a multivitamin without iron, did you ever try B-12 shots? I take them once a month, still working full time, (not that I want to) so I think they are helping, how much, I don't know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2000 Report Share Posted June 13, 2000 Hi beth, I was told only take a multivitamin without iron, did you ever try B-12 shots? I take them once a month, still working full time, (not that I want to) so I think they are helping, how much, I don't know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2000 Report Share Posted June 13, 2000 Hi beth, I was told only take a multivitamin without iron, did you ever try B-12 shots? I take them once a month, still working full time, (not that I want to) so I think they are helping, how much, I don't know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2000 Report Share Posted June 13, 2000 Hi beth, I was told only take a multivitamin without iron, did you ever try B-12 shots? I take them once a month, still working full time, (not that I want to) so I think they are helping, how much, I don't know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2000 Report Share Posted December 15, 2000 My message had no attachments were they important? nne Digest Number 183 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2000 Report Share Posted December 15, 2000 No not really. Just a Happy Christmas card. I'll send it direct to your email address. You should receive it then. Best wishes, Digest Number 183 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Hello Everyone: Just found an interesting article from the national library of medicine on kombucha, so I thought I let everyone know. I will keep everyone informed when I find interesting articles. Whether good news or bad. Please see link below for the report: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=12808367 Have a great day everyone. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 > CONCLUSIONS: On the basis of these data it was concluded that the largely undetermined benefits do not outweigh the documented risks of kombucha. It can therefore not be recommended for therapeutic use. Copyright 2003 S. Karger GmbH, Freiburg Truth is: Trash will never cease. Truth is: They up there are scared of the SCOBY. Truth is: If they tried Kombucha themselves they would soon come to a different conclusion. Truth is: They wouldn't because they are far too arrogant. Here endeth my sad conclusion :-)))) LOL Margret -- +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Minstrel@... www.therpc.f9.co.uk +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Clones are people two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 In message <00a201c50dcf$043b1760$a07ba8c0@...> you wrote: > > I agree magret,very very true,one should not make silly comment > or statements,but try it first,I am happy with my kombucha and > will keep on making and drinking it as long as I can. Brilliant! Hello Annie, lovely to hear from you and good to know that you are enjoying your Kombucha...so am I. I gave a young member of our worship band a mini sermon before the church service last Sunday morning) on the stupidity of being prejudiced. I was sporting a cup of Kombucha slightly warmed up because of the coldness of the morning, when this lovely young person made derogatory remarks about THAT drink.... so my minstrelish wrath descended upon him ;-) with a lecture on the KTs fantastic property of clearing the vocal cords of phlegm. He will get round to the yummy-ness of Kombucha as so many others have done. Actually, one of the music leaders, who has to use his voice a lot, will have a glass of Kombucha and water mixed in broad view of the congregation ;-) and sip from it as often as possible. He finds it most beneficial. Strange, I never had a problem with Kombucha, but then, I am not prejudiced! Greetings, and have a great day :-) Margret:-) > > > CONCLUSIONS: On the basis of these data it was concluded that the largely undetermined benefits do not outweigh the documented risks of kombucha. It can therefore not be recommended for therapeutic use. Copyright 2003 S. Karger GmbH, Freiburg > > Truth is: Trash will never cease. > > Truth is: They up there are scared of the SCOBY. > > Truth is: If they tried Kombucha themselves they would soon come > > to a different conclusion. > > Truth is: They wouldn't because they are far too arrogant. > > > > Here endeth my sad conclusion :-)))) LOL > > > > Margret > > > > -- > > +---------------------------------------------------------------+ > > Minstrel@... > > www.therpc.f9.co.uk > > +---------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > > Clones are people two. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 I agree magret,very very true,one should not make silly comment or statements,but try it first,I am happy with my kombucha and will keep on making and drinking it as long as I can. annie ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: " Margret Pegg " <Minstrel@...> Aan: <kombucha tea > Verzonden: dinsdag 8 februari 2005 10:57 Onderwerp: Re: Digest Number 183 > > > > CONCLUSIONS: On the basis of these data it was concluded that the largely undetermined benefits do not outweigh the documented risks of kombucha. It can therefore not be recommended for therapeutic use. Copyright 2003 S. Karger GmbH, Freiburg > Truth is: Trash will never cease. > Truth is: They up there are scared of the SCOBY. > Truth is: If they tried Kombucha themselves they would soon come > to a different conclusion. > Truth is: They wouldn't because they are far too arrogant. > > Here endeth my sad conclusion :-)))) LOL > > Margret > > -- > +---------------------------------------------------------------+ > Minstrel@... > www.therpc.f9.co.uk > +---------------------------------------------------------------+ > > Clones are people two. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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