Re: Another quickie - nut allergies

[Guest guest]

unfortunatly my one advice to give is to just make a batch of unscented castile

soap. and/or a few made with an essential oil or two. This way if you do have

anyone who won't budge on the allergy situation you can at least offer them

that. Granted some people might not even take that, There are some interesting

people out there. ]

I have had a few people who wont try anything with almond fragrance in it as

well. I have stopped using SAO just because with so many oils to choose from it

is easier just to not use it. Never heard of coconut allergies though. good

luck.

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> Only you guys will know the answer to this - how much coconut oil is actually

left in a finished bar of soap? I have nut allergy people who go crazy with any

kind of nut product - they will not touch almond oil, etc, and when they heard

CP soaps are made WITH coconut oil, well, that was the end of that. My

contention is that most of the oil is transformed into glycerin, and that there

is very little of the actual coconut oil left in the soap that would cause an

allergic reaction on the skin. Have any of you had experience in this area,

customers/family members with nut allergies - can they use your products without

a reaction?

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> Thanks, too, for the advice about the MP clear soap base - I ended up getting

it from Bramble Berry, and it's being shipped as we speak!

>

> Thanks so much, all!

> Amy Emm

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[Guest guest]

I do have a severe nut allergy. I use coconut oil, shea butter pomace and

castor oil in my soaps,

I have a couple of customer with a coconut oil allergy, I just make a batch of

soap from time to time with out coconut in it.

I also keep Castille soap in stock all the time.

I will never guarantee that it has not been in contact. But most are happy with

that.

I am luckier than most in the fact that I have to ingest the nut. But I have

friends who cannot be in a room with them.

These people cannot breath in the fumes or touch it. A soap with nut oils in

the production would probably kill them before they got out of a shower.

They are not " going crazy " they are just trying to stay alive.

However there is a contention as to weather or not coconut is actually a nut.

Most people with Nut Allergies can have coconut, but in less than 2% of the

population it will cause issues.

My customers who have intolerance to coconut are intolerant to tropical fruit,

mango, papaya, etc.

Betty Jane

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> > Only you guys will know the answer to this - how much coconut oil is

actually left in a finished bar of soap? I have nut allergy people who go crazy

with any kind of nut product - they will not touch almond oil, etc, and when

they heard CP soaps are made WITH coconut oil, well, that was the end of that.

My contention is that most of the oil is transformed into glycerin, and that

there is very little of the actual coconut oil left in the soap that would cause

an allergic reaction on the skin. Have any of you had experience in this area,

customers/family members with nut allergies - can they use your products without

a reaction?

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> > Thanks, too, for the advice about the MP clear soap base - I ended up

getting it from Bramble Berry, and it's being shipped as we speak!

> >

> > Thanks so much, all!

> > Amy Emm

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy,

I have customers who are allergic to coconut oil and I use palm kernel oil

instead. It gives great lather just like coconut oil and they don't have a

problem with it.

Delores

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> Only you guys will know the answer to this - how much coconut oil is actually

left in a finished bar of soap? I have nut allergy people who go crazy with any

kind of nut product - they will not touch almond oil, etc, and when they heard

CP soaps are made WITH coconut oil, well, that was the end of that. My

contention is that most of the oil is transformed into glycerin, and that there

is very little of the actual coconut oil left in the soap that would cause an

allergic reaction on the skin. Have any of you had experience in this area,

customers/family members with nut allergies - can they use your products without

a reaction?

>

> Thanks, too, for the advice about the MP clear soap base - I ended up getting

it from Bramble Berry, and it's being shipped as we speak!

>

> Thanks so much, all!

> Amy Emm

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with Betty Jane. In addition to what she said, I'd like to clarify

the soapmaking process. Coconut oil (or any other oil) does not transform

into glycerin, exactly. The fat and the alkali do combine on a molecular

level, but glycerin is a by-product of that chemical reaction. A small bit

of difference. We can still count on the soap to carry the oil's

characteristics, however, even after saponification, not to mention the

percentage that never saponifies.

The part people are allergic to is the protein, which is not present in the

oil. Theoretically, that should make any nut oil safe to use. The problem

is that it is unrealistic to think that 100% of the proteins can be removed

from the oil, and for someone who is deadly allergic, even a fraction of 1%

is too much.

I have never heard of a person having allergies to coconut the way some do

with other nuts; but if they're allergic, they of course want to avoid any

possibility of coming into contact with the allergen.

I would have them speak to their physician about it, as he or she would give

them the best advice, especially knowing each individual's medical history.

Beth Byrne

http://www.SoapAndGarden.com

Soap, get the real thing!

www/SoapandGarden.blogspot.com

http://www.Saponifier.com

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:50 AM, cnyscbwi <cnyscbwi@...> wrote:

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> Only you guys will know the answer to this - how much coconut oil is

> actually left in a finished bar of soap? I have nut allergy people who go

> crazy with any kind of nut product - they will not touch almond oil, etc,

> and when they heard CP soaps are made WITH coconut oil, well, that was the

> end of that. My contention is that most of the oil is transformed into

> glycerin, and that there is very little of the actual coconut oil left in

> the soap that would cause an allergic reaction on the skin. Have any of you

> had experience in this area, customers/family members with nut allergies -

> can they use your products without a reaction?

>

> Thanks, too, for the advice about the MP clear soap base - I ended up

> getting it from Bramble Berry, and it's being shipped as we speak!

>

> Thanks so much, all!

> Amy Emm

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Another thing to consider is that Nuts and their oils are all processed in the

same facility.

So if your customer is allergic to walnuts, then they are probably processed in

the same facility as almonds. this means that there is a chance that the almond

oil could be contaminated with the walnuts.

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> > Only you guys will know the answer to this - how much coconut oil is

> > actually left in a finished bar of soap? I have nut allergy people who go

> > crazy with any kind of nut product - they will not touch almond oil, etc,

> > and when they heard CP soaps are made WITH coconut oil, well, that was the

> > end of that. My contention is that most of the oil is transformed into

> > glycerin, and that there is very little of the actual coconut oil left in

> > the soap that would cause an allergic reaction on the skin. Have any of you

> > had experience in this area, customers/family members with nut allergies -

> > can they use your products without a reaction?

> >

> > Thanks, too, for the advice about the MP clear soap base - I ended up

> > getting it from Bramble Berry, and it's being shipped as we speak!

> >

> > Thanks so much, all!

> > Amy Emm

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, all! This was very helpful and informative, not to mention very

important in keeping everyone safe and healthy, my first goal!

Thanks again, you all are the BEST!

Hugs!

Amy

PS - M & P update - I got the bulk clear base from Brambleberry, used it with an

embedment, and they came out beautifully! (no ugly soaps this time, lol!) So

thanks again for all your help with the base, too!!

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> > > Only you guys will know the answer to this - how much coconut oil is

> > > actually left in a finished bar of soap? I have nut allergy people who go

> > > crazy with any kind of nut product - they will not touch almond oil, etc,

> > > and when they heard CP soaps are made WITH coconut oil, well, that was the

> > > end of that. My contention is that most of the oil is transformed into

> > > glycerin, and that there is very little of the actual coconut oil left in

> > > the soap that would cause an allergic reaction on the skin. Have any of

you

> > > had experience in this area, customers/family members with nut allergies -

> > > can they use your products without a reaction?

> > >

> > > Thanks, too, for the advice about the MP clear soap base - I ended up

> > > getting it from Bramble Berry, and it's being shipped as we speak!

> > >

> > > Thanks so much, all!

> > > Amy Emm

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