Re: Professor Simon Baron-Cohen Survey - BBC W...

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In a message dated 31/01/2006 11:21:19 GMT Standard Time, sharon_asd_uk@... writes:

Hi Neil,This is the best vent I've read in ages! Thanks for taking the time to say so elequently what many of us have been seething about privately.Sharon (PhD scientist & married to same)

>>>Bravo!!!

Mandi married to Engineer self Dx AS

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Zoe, it wasn't my intention to infer only the severe would suffer for this group and SBC's theories, it's just that I have been following their arguments for some time now, and most people put forward the argument of the more severe, and are always met with claims that the more severe children are a very small minority and even amongst those many will grow into higher functioning adults!!!!!

My other son is a high functioning autistic and all half term we have been working on tying shoe laces and telling the time, he is 11yrs old, he doesen't know he is on the spectrum and only knows he has dyslexia, but everything he complains about and wishes to change are things that are features of autism, so much then for a HFA being happy with his condition or feeling "cool to be different".

I just cannot put into words how much this man and his buddies over at AFF offend me with their ignorance.

Vicky

xx

[Guest guest]

And this is the biggest crime of all, SBC seems to be able to reach such a wide audience, he was on and Judy a few months back with his male brain theory, and I think Madely was so impressed they had trouble prising him out of SBC's backside at the end of the item!

Is he involved in the upcoming conference at all?

Vicky

xx

[Guest guest]

>Hi all

Couldn't concur more about SBC and his theories. Two points to add

1 If the guy has ever done anything of worth with the vast sums of

government funding it is the CHAT test. How ironic then, that living

a stone's throw from his place of work as we do, the CHAT test is not

used by Cambs PCT to diagnose autism and their health visitors from

same have never heard of it!

2 His theory of 'it's all genetic, nothing environmental' is not

challenged. We took him to task at our CDC (when are we going to get

rid of this oxymoron par excellence?) where he was 'guest of honour'

for evening classes for parents with recently diagnosed kids. The

increase in incidence since 1978 was quickly calculated by my

partner, and SBC had to admit that the explosion in incidence

was so substantial as to preclude this having occured through genetic

factors alone in a 25 yr time period.

Rhona

> Zoe, it wasn't my intention to infer only the severe would suffer

for this

> group and SBC's theories, it's just that I have been following

their arguments

> for some time now, and most people put forward the argument of the

more

> severe, and are always met with claims that the more severe

children are a very

> small minority and even amongst those many will grow into higher

functioning

> adults!!!!!

> My other son is a high functioning autistic and all half term we

have been

> working on tying shoe laces and telling the time, he is 11yrs old,

he doesen't

> know he is on the spectrum and only knows he has dyslexia, but

everything he

> complains about and wishes to change are things that are features

of autism,

> so much then for a HFA being happy with his condition or

feeling " cool to be

> different " .

> I just cannot put into words how much this man and his buddies

over at AFF

> offend me with their ignorance.

> Vicky

> xx

>

[Guest guest]

Well done Rhona for speaking out at the CDC. We were at the talks four years ago. I innocently asked him what he made of the finding that autistic children had abnormal metabolism of metals (I hadn't heard of the mercury connection at that point) and my question was dismissed as though it had a bad smell.

A couple of years ago I asked both Birgitta and Robin for a five minute slot at the annual talks to talk about early intervention and the NIASA recommendations. I was told that I could not go because they didn't want the parents being upset when they realised Cambridge offered nothing. They wanted them kept ignorant and thus passive, I can only conclude.

Margaret

Re: Professor Simon Baron-Cohen Survey - BBC W...

>Hi all Couldn't concur more about SBC and his theories. Two points to add1 If the guy has ever done anything of worth with the vast sums of government funding it is the CHAT test. How ironic then, that living a stone's throw from his place of work as we do, the CHAT test is not used by Cambs PCT to diagnose autism and their health visitors from same have never heard of it!2 His theory of 'it's all genetic, nothing environmental' is not challenged. We took him to task at our CDC (when are we going to get rid of this oxymoron par excellence?) where he was 'guest of honour' for evening classes for parents with recently diagnosed kids. The increase in incidence since 1978 was quickly calculated by my partner, and SBC had to admit that the explosion in incidence was so substantial as to preclude this having occured through genetic factors alone in a 25 yr time period.Rhona > Zoe, it wasn't my intention to infer only the severe would suffer for this > group and SBC's theories, it's just that I have been following their arguments > for some time now, and most people put forward the argument of the more > severe, and are always met with claims that the more severe children are a very > small minority and even amongst those many will grow into higher functioning > adults!!!!!> My other son is a high functioning autistic and all half term we have been > working on tying shoe laces and telling the time, he is 11yrs old, he doesen't > know he is on the spectrum and only knows he has dyslexia, but everything he > complains about and wishes to change are things that are features of autism, > so much then for a HFA being happy with his condition or feeling "cool to be > different".> I just cannot put into words how much this man and his buddies over at AFF > offend me with their ignorance.> Vicky> xx>__________ NOD32 1.1413 (20060217) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

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> >Hi all

> Couldn't concur more about SBC and his theories. Two points to add

> 1 If the guy has ever done anything of worth with the vast sums

of

> government funding it is the CHAT test. How ironic then, that

living

> a stone's throw from his place of work as we do, the CHAT test is

not

> used by Cambs PCT to diagnose autism and their health visitors

from

> same have never heard of it!

>

> 2 His theory of 'it's all genetic, nothing environmental' is not

> challenged. We took him to task at our CDC (when are we going to

get

> rid of this oxymoron par excellence?) where he was 'guest of

honour'

> for evening classes for parents with recently diagnosed kids. The

> increase in incidence since 1978 was quickly calculated by my

> partner, and SBC had to admit that the explosion in

incidence

> was so substantial as to preclude this having occured through

genetic

> factors alone in a 25 yr time period.

>

> Rhona

> > Zoe, it wasn't my intention to infer only the severe would

suffer

> for this

> > group and SBC's theories, it's just that I have been following

> their arguments

> > for some time now, and most people put forward the argument of

the

> more

> > severe, and are always met with claims that the more severe

> children are a very

> > small minority and even amongst those many will grow into

higher

> functioning

> > adults!!!!!

> > My other son is a high functioning autistic and all half term

we

> have been

> > working on tying shoe laces and telling the time, he is 11yrs

old,

> he doesen't

> > know he is on the spectrum and only knows he has dyslexia, but

> everything he

> > complains about and wishes to change are things that are

features

> of autism,

> > so much then for a HFA being happy with his condition or

> feeling " cool to be

> > different " .

> > I just cannot put into words how much this man and his buddies

> over at AFF

> > offend me with their ignorance.

> > Vicky

> > xx

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified practitioner.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> >Hi all

> Couldn't concur more about SBC and his theories. Two points to add

> 1 If the guy has ever done anything of worth with the vast sums

of

> government funding it is the CHAT test. How ironic then, that

living

> a stone's throw from his place of work as we do, the CHAT test is

not

> used by Cambs PCT to diagnose autism and their health visitors

from

> same have never heard of it!

>

> 2 His theory of 'it's all genetic, nothing environmental' is not

> challenged. We took him to task at our CDC (when are we going to

get

> rid of this oxymoron par excellence?) where he was 'guest of

honour'

> for evening classes for parents with recently diagnosed kids. The

> increase in incidence since 1978 was quickly calculated by my

> partner, and SBC had to admit that the explosion in

incidence

> was so substantial as to preclude this having occured through

genetic

> factors alone in a 25 yr time period.

>

> Rhona

> > Zoe, it wasn't my intention to infer only the severe would

suffer

> for this

> > group and SBC's theories, it's just that I have been following

> their arguments

> > for some time now, and most people put forward the argument of

the

> more

> > severe, and are always met with claims that the more severe

> children are a very

> > small minority and even amongst those many will grow into

higher

> functioning

> > adults!!!!!

> > My other son is a high functioning autistic and all half term

we

> have been

> > working on tying shoe laces and telling the time, he is 11yrs

old,

> he doesen't

> > know he is on the spectrum and only knows he has dyslexia, but

> everything he

> > complains about and wishes to change are things that are

features

> of autism,

> > so much then for a HFA being happy with his condition or

> feeling " cool to be

> > different " .

> > I just cannot put into words how much this man and his buddies

> over at AFF

> > offend me with their ignorance.

> > Vicky

> > xx

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified practitioner.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No worries Vicky - totally agree with you over SBC and AFF.

I guess it doesnt help that some of those on the 'other side', due

to their autism, cannot put themselves in other peoples shoes, and

so completely fail to understand the other side of the

argument....it is a fraught debate.....

Zoe x

>

> Zoe, it wasn't my intention to infer only the severe would suffer

for this

> group and SBC's theories, it's just that I have been following

their arguments

> for some time now, and most people put forward the argument of the

more

> severe, and are always met with claims that the more severe

children are a very

> small minority and even amongst those many will grow into higher

functioning

> adults!!!!!

> My other son is a high functioning autistic and all half term we

have been

> working on tying shoe laces and telling the time, he is 11yrs old,

he doesen't

> know he is on the spectrum and only knows he has dyslexia, but

everything he

> complains about and wishes to change are things that are features

of autism,

> so much then for a HFA being happy with his condition or

feeling " cool to be

> different " .

> I just cannot put into words how much this man and his buddies

over at AFF

> offend me with their ignorance.

> Vicky

> xx

>

[Guest guest]

That is interesting Rhona about the more progressively minded at

the ARC....do you know any more details of who these peeps are?

Would love us to have a presence at their upcoming conference as

Margaret suggested, but I just dont think I could stand it......the

whole thing is just so patronising and offensive........

Maybe a conference is not the best setting to challenge the SBC

school of thinking.....wouldnt want to upset the people who were

performing, who I'm sure have a right to have their work showcased,

but just not in this dreadful way.

Zoe x

> > >Hi all

> > Couldn't concur more about SBC and his theories. Two points to

add

> > 1 If the guy has ever done anything of worth with the vast

sums

> of

> > government funding it is the CHAT test. How ironic then, that

> living

> > a stone's throw from his place of work as we do, the CHAT test

is

> not

> > used by Cambs PCT to diagnose autism and their health visitors

> from

> > same have never heard of it!

> >

> > 2 His theory of 'it's all genetic, nothing environmental' is

not

> > challenged. We took him to task at our CDC (when are we going

to

> get

> > rid of this oxymoron par excellence?) where he was 'guest of

> honour'

> > for evening classes for parents with recently diagnosed kids.

The

> > increase in incidence since 1978 was quickly calculated by my

> > partner, and SBC had to admit that the explosion in

> incidence

> > was so substantial as to preclude this having occured through

> genetic

> > factors alone in a 25 yr time period.

> >

> > Rhona

> > > Zoe, it wasn't my intention to infer only the severe would

> suffer

> > for this

> > > group and SBC's theories, it's just that I have been

following

> > their arguments

> > > for some time now, and most people put forward the argument

of

> the

> > more

> > > severe, and are always met with claims that the more severe

> > children are a very

> > > small minority and even amongst those many will grow into

> higher

> > functioning

> > > adults!!!!!

> > > My other son is a high functioning autistic and all half

term

> we

> > have been

> > > working on tying shoe laces and telling the time, he is

11yrs

> old,

> > he doesen't

> > > know he is on the spectrum and only knows he has dyslexia,

but

> > everything he

> > > complains about and wishes to change are things that are

> features

> > of autism,

> > > so much then for a HFA being happy with his condition or

> > feeling " cool to be

> > > different " .

> > > I just cannot put into words how much this man and his

buddies

> > over at AFF

> > > offend me with their ignorance.

> > > Vicky

> > > xx

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > DISCLAIMER

> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

> medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

> suitably qualified practitioner.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 22/02/2006 15:44:48 GMT Standard Time, chris.cytera@... writes:

As regards the conference, perhaps it isn't the best forum, but I do think it might alert them to the fact that there are environmental issues which merit more discussion than purely genetic considerations

>>>Just some parent of kids with Autism and their families going out for the evening I thought. If I was closer Sam would be wearing his Be Patient with me I have autism T-shirt or the one with Generaton recue and Evidence of Harm on

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 22/02/2006 15:44:48 GMT Standard Time, chris.cytera@... writes:

As regards the conference, perhaps it isn't the best forum, but I do think it might alert them to the fact that there are environmental issues which merit more discussion than purely genetic considerations

>>>Just some parent of kids with Autism and their families going out for the evening I thought. If I was closer Sam would be wearing his Be Patient with me I have autism T-shirt or the one with Generaton recue and Evidence of Harm on

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

> > > >Hi all

> > > Couldn't concur more about SBC and his theories. Two points

to

> add

> > > 1 If the guy has ever done anything of worth with the vast

> sums

> > of

> > > government funding it is the CHAT test. How ironic then, that

> > living

> > > a stone's throw from his place of work as we do, the CHAT

test

> is

> > not

> > > used by Cambs PCT to diagnose autism and their health

visitors

> > from

> > > same have never heard of it!

> > >

> > > 2 His theory of 'it's all genetic, nothing environmental' is

> not

> > > challenged. We took him to task at our CDC (when are we

going

> to

> > get

> > > rid of this oxymoron par excellence?) where he was 'guest of

> > honour'

> > > for evening classes for parents with recently diagnosed kids.

> The

> > > increase in incidence since 1978 was quickly calculated by my

> > > partner, and SBC had to admit that the explosion in

> > incidence

> > > was so substantial as to preclude this having occured through

> > genetic

> > > factors alone in a 25 yr time period.

> > >

> > > Rhona

> > > > Zoe, it wasn't my intention to infer only the severe would

> > suffer

> > > for this

> > > > group and SBC's theories, it's just that I have been

> following

> > > their arguments

> > > > for some time now, and most people put forward the argument

> of

> > the

> > > more

> > > > severe, and are always met with claims that the more

severe

> > > children are a very

> > > > small minority and even amongst those many will grow into

> > higher

> > > functioning

> > > > adults!!!!!

> > > > My other son is a high functioning autistic and all half

> term

> > we

> > > have been

> > > > working on tying shoe laces and telling the time, he is

> 11yrs

> > old,

> > > he doesen't

> > > > know he is on the spectrum and only knows he has dyslexia,

> but

> > > everything he

> > > > complains about and wishes to change are things that are

> > features

> > > of autism,

> > > > so much then for a HFA being happy with his condition or

> > > feeling " cool to be

> > > > different " .

> > > > I just cannot put into words how much this man and his

> buddies

> > > over at AFF

> > > > offend me with their ignorance.

> > > > Vicky

> > > > xx

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > DISCLAIMER

> > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

> > medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

> > suitably qualified practitioner.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Rhona

Are you going to the Thoughtful House conference? Perhaps we could

chat there?

You are right about having a presence at the ARC and other such

conferences. Am giving that some thought.

Zoe

> > > > >Hi all

> > > > Couldn't concur more about SBC and his theories. Two points

> to

> > add

> > > > 1 If the guy has ever done anything of worth with the vast

> > sums

> > > of

> > > > government funding it is the CHAT test. How ironic then, that

> > > living

> > > > a stone's throw from his place of work as we do, the CHAT

> test

> > is

> > > not

> > > > used by Cambs PCT to diagnose autism and their health

> visitors

> > > from

> > > > same have never heard of it!

> > > >

> > > > 2 His theory of 'it's all genetic, nothing environmental' is

> > not

> > > > challenged. We took him to task at our CDC (when are we

> going

> > to

> > > get

> > > > rid of this oxymoron par excellence?) where he was 'guest of

> > > honour'

> > > > for evening classes for parents with recently diagnosed kids.

> > The

> > > > increase in incidence since 1978 was quickly calculated by my

> > > > partner, and SBC had to admit that the explosion in

> > > incidence

> > > > was so substantial as to preclude this having occured through

> > > genetic

> > > > factors alone in a 25 yr time period.

> > > >

> > > > Rhona

> > > > > Zoe, it wasn't my intention to infer only the severe would

> > > suffer

> > > > for this

> > > > > group and SBC's theories, it's just that I have been

> > following

> > > > their arguments

> > > > > for some time now, and most people put forward the argument

> > of

> > > the

> > > > more

> > > > > severe, and are always met with claims that the more

> severe

> > > > children are a very

> > > > > small minority and even amongst those many will grow into

> > > higher

> > > > functioning

> > > > > adults!!!!!

> > > > > My other son is a high functioning autistic and all half

> > term

> > > we

> > > > have been

> > > > > working on tying shoe laces and telling the time, he is

> > 11yrs

> > > old,

> > > > he doesen't

> > > > > know he is on the spectrum and only knows he has dyslexia,

> > but

> > > > everything he

> > > > > complains about and wishes to change are things that are

> > > features

> > > > of autism,

> > > > > so much then for a HFA being happy with his condition or

> > > > feeling " cool to be

> > > > > different " .

> > > > > I just cannot put into words how much this man and his

> > buddies

> > > > over at AFF

> > > > > offend me with their ignorance.

> > > > > Vicky

> > > > > xx

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > DISCLAIMER

> > > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

> > > medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

> > > suitably qualified practitioner.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

> > > > > >Hi all

> > > > > Couldn't concur more about SBC and his theories. Two

points

> > to

> > > add

> > > > > 1 If the guy has ever done anything of worth with the

vast

> > > sums

> > > > of

> > > > > government funding it is the CHAT test. How ironic then,

that

> > > > living

> > > > > a stone's throw from his place of work as we do, the CHAT

> > test

> > > is

> > > > not

> > > > > used by Cambs PCT to diagnose autism and their health

> > visitors

> > > > from

> > > > > same have never heard of it!

> > > > >

> > > > > 2 His theory of 'it's all genetic, nothing environmental'

is

> > > not

> > > > > challenged. We took him to task at our CDC (when are we

> > going

> > > to

> > > > get

> > > > > rid of this oxymoron par excellence?) where he was 'guest

of

> > > > honour'

> > > > > for evening classes for parents with recently diagnosed

kids.

> > > The

> > > > > increase in incidence since 1978 was quickly calculated

by my

> > > > > partner, and SBC had to admit that the explosion in

> > > > incidence

> > > > > was so substantial as to preclude this having occured

through

> > > > genetic

> > > > > factors alone in a 25 yr time period.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rhona

> > > > > > Zoe, it wasn't my intention to infer only the severe

would

> > > > suffer

> > > > > for this

> > > > > > group and SBC's theories, it's just that I have been

> > > following

> > > > > their arguments

> > > > > > for some time now, and most people put forward the

argument

> > > of

> > > > the

> > > > > more

> > > > > > severe, and are always met with claims that the more

> > severe

> > > > > children are a very

> > > > > > small minority and even amongst those many will grow

into

> > > > higher

> > > > > functioning

> > > > > > adults!!!!!

> > > > > > My other son is a high functioning autistic and all

half

> > > term

> > > > we

> > > > > have been

> > > > > > working on tying shoe laces and telling the time, he is

> > > 11yrs

> > > > old,

> > > > > he doesen't

> > > > > > know he is on the spectrum and only knows he has

dyslexia,

> > > but

> > > > > everything he

> > > > > > complains about and wishes to change are things that

are

> > > > features

> > > > > of autism,

> > > > > > so much then for a HFA being happy with his condition

or

> > > > > feeling " cool to be

> > > > > > different " .

> > > > > > I just cannot put into words how much this man and his

> > > buddies

> > > > > over at AFF

> > > > > > offend me with their ignorance.

> > > > > > Vicky

> > > > > > xx

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > DISCLAIMER

> > > > > No information contained in this post is to be construed

as

> > > > medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it

from a

> > > > suitably qualified practitioner.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 25/02/2006 16:44:38 GMT Standard Time, zoe@... writes:

I am going to the Thoughtful House conference on 7 March but am not able to make it to the ARC conference.......however, from the traffic on ABE it looks as if a few peeps are considering going to the ARC conference, which is great.

>>>When and where is the ARC conference?

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

Hi Rhona

I am going to the Thoughtful House conference on 7 March but am not

able to make it to the ARC conference.......however, from the

traffic on ABE it looks as if a few peeps are considering going to

the ARC conference, which is great.

I live in Oldham, near Manchester.

I would be interested to meet up with to have a chat about ARC

and who at ARC may be more progressively minded, if he is going to

Thoughtful House.

Zoe

> > > > > > >Hi all

> > > > > > Couldn't concur more about SBC and his theories. Two

> points

> > > to

> > > > add

> > > > > > 1 If the guy has ever done anything of worth with the

> vast

> > > > sums

> > > > > of

> > > > > > government funding it is the CHAT test. How ironic

then,

> that

> > > > > living

> > > > > > a stone's throw from his place of work as we do, the

CHAT

> > > test

> > > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > used by Cambs PCT to diagnose autism and their health

> > > visitors

> > > > > from

> > > > > > same have never heard of it!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2 His theory of 'it's all genetic, nothing

environmental'

> is

> > > > not

> > > > > > challenged. We took him to task at our CDC (when are

we

> > > going

> > > > to

> > > > > get

> > > > > > rid of this oxymoron par excellence?) where he

was 'guest

> of

> > > > > honour'

> > > > > > for evening classes for parents with recently

diagnosed

> kids.

> > > > The

> > > > > > increase in incidence since 1978 was quickly

calculated

> by my

> > > > > > partner, and SBC had to admit that the explosion

in

> > > > > incidence

> > > > > > was so substantial as to preclude this having occured

> through

> > > > > genetic

> > > > > > factors alone in a 25 yr time period.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rhona

> > > > > > > Zoe, it wasn't my intention to infer only the severe

> would

> > > > > suffer

> > > > > > for this

> > > > > > > group and SBC's theories, it's just that I have been

> > > > following

> > > > > > their arguments

> > > > > > > for some time now, and most people put forward the

> argument

> > > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > severe, and are always met with claims that the

more

> > > severe

> > > > > > children are a very

> > > > > > > small minority and even amongst those many will

grow

> into

> > > > > higher

> > > > > > functioning

> > > > > > > adults!!!!!

> > > > > > > My other son is a high functioning autistic and all

> half

> > > > term

> > > > > we

> > > > > > have been

> > > > > > > working on tying shoe laces and telling the time, he

is

> > > > 11yrs

> > > > > old,

> > > > > > he doesen't

> > > > > > > know he is on the spectrum and only knows he has

> dyslexia,

> > > > but

> > > > > > everything he

> > > > > > > complains about and wishes to change are things that

> are

> > > > > features

> > > > > > of autism,

> > > > > > > so much then for a HFA being happy with his

condition

> or

> > > > > > feeling " cool to be

> > > > > > > different " .

> > > > > > > I just cannot put into words how much this man and

his

> > > > buddies

> > > > > > over at AFF

> > > > > > > offend me with their ignorance.

> > > > > > > Vicky

> > > > > > > xx

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > DISCLAIMER

> > > > > > No information contained in this post is to be

construed

> as

> > > > > medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it

> from a

> > > > > suitably qualified practitioner.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

> > > > > > > >Hi all

> > > > > > > Couldn't concur more about SBC and his theories. Two

> > points

> > > > to

> > > > > add

> > > > > > > 1 If the guy has ever done anything of worth with the

> > vast

> > > > > sums

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > government funding it is the CHAT test. How ironic

> then,

> > that

> > > > > > living

> > > > > > > a stone's throw from his place of work as we do, the

> CHAT

> > > > test

> > > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > used by Cambs PCT to diagnose autism and their health

> > > > visitors

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > same have never heard of it!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2 His theory of 'it's all genetic, nothing

> environmental'

> > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > challenged. We took him to task at our CDC (when are

> we

> > > > going

> > > > > to

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > rid of this oxymoron par excellence?) where he

> was 'guest

> > of

> > > > > > honour'

> > > > > > > for evening classes for parents with recently

> diagnosed

> > kids.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > increase in incidence since 1978 was quickly

> calculated

> > by my

> > > > > > > partner, and SBC had to admit that the

explosion

> in

> > > > > > incidence

> > > > > > > was so substantial as to preclude this having occured

> > through

> > > > > > genetic

> > > > > > > factors alone in a 25 yr time period.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rhona

> > > > > > > > Zoe, it wasn't my intention to infer only the

severe

> > would

> > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > for this

> > > > > > > > group and SBC's theories, it's just that I have

been

> > > > > following

> > > > > > > their arguments

> > > > > > > > for some time now, and most people put forward the

> > argument

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > severe, and are always met with claims that the

> more

> > > > severe

> > > > > > > children are a very

> > > > > > > > small minority and even amongst those many will

> grow

> > into

> > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > functioning

> > > > > > > > adults!!!!!

> > > > > > > > My other son is a high functioning autistic and all

> > half

> > > > > term

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > have been

> > > > > > > > working on tying shoe laces and telling the time,

he

> is

> > > > > 11yrs

> > > > > > old,

> > > > > > > he doesen't

> > > > > > > > know he is on the spectrum and only knows he has

> > dyslexia,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > everything he

> > > > > > > > complains about and wishes to change are things

that

> > are

> > > > > > features

> > > > > > > of autism,

> > > > > > > > so much then for a HFA being happy with his

> condition

> > or

> > > > > > > feeling " cool to be

> > > > > > > > different " .

> > > > > > > > I just cannot put into words how much this man and

> his

> > > > > buddies

> > > > > > > over at AFF

> > > > > > > > offend me with their ignorance.

> > > > > > > > Vicky

> > > > > > > > xx

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > DISCLAIMER

> > > > > > > No information contained in this post is to be

> construed

> > as

> > > > > > medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek

it

> > from a

> > > > > > suitably qualified practitioner.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Great - I will look out for him.

Zoe

> > > > > > > > >Hi all

> > > > > > > > Couldn't concur more about SBC and his theories.

Two

> > > points

> > > > > to

> > > > > > add

> > > > > > > > 1 If the guy has ever done anything of worth with

the

> > > vast

> > > > > > sums

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > government funding it is the CHAT test. How ironic

> > then,

> > > that

> > > > > > > living

> > > > > > > > a stone's throw from his place of work as we do,

the

> > CHAT

> > > > > test

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > used by Cambs PCT to diagnose autism and their

health

> > > > > visitors

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > same have never heard of it!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2 His theory of 'it's all genetic, nothing

> > environmental'

> > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > challenged. We took him to task at our CDC (when

are

> > we

> > > > > going

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > rid of this oxymoron par excellence?) where he

> > was 'guest

> > > of

> > > > > > > honour'

> > > > > > > > for evening classes for parents with recently

> > diagnosed

> > > kids.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > increase in incidence since 1978 was quickly

> > calculated

> > > by my

> > > > > > > > partner, and SBC had to admit that the

> explosion

> > in

> > > > > > > incidence

> > > > > > > > was so substantial as to preclude this having

occured

> > > through

> > > > > > > genetic

> > > > > > > > factors alone in a 25 yr time period.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rhona

> > > > > > > > > Zoe, it wasn't my intention to infer only the

> severe

> > > would

> > > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > > for this

> > > > > > > > > group and SBC's theories, it's just that I have

> been

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > their arguments

> > > > > > > > > for some time now, and most people put forward

the

> > > argument

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > severe, and are always met with claims that the

> > more

> > > > > severe

> > > > > > > > children are a very

> > > > > > > > > small minority and even amongst those many

will

> > grow

> > > into

> > > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > > functioning

> > > > > > > > > adults!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > My other son is a high functioning autistic and

all

> > > half

> > > > > > term

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > have been

> > > > > > > > > working on tying shoe laces and telling the

time,

> he

> > is

> > > > > > 11yrs

> > > > > > > old,

> > > > > > > > he doesen't

> > > > > > > > > know he is on the spectrum and only knows he has

> > > dyslexia,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > everything he

> > > > > > > > > complains about and wishes to change are things

> that

> > > are

> > > > > > > features

> > > > > > > > of autism,

> > > > > > > > > so much then for a HFA being happy with his

> > condition

> > > or

> > > > > > > > feeling " cool to be

> > > > > > > > > different " .

> > > > > > > > > I just cannot put into words how much this man

and

> > his

> > > > > > buddies

> > > > > > > > over at AFF

> > > > > > > > > offend me with their ignorance.

> > > > > > > > > Vicky

> > > > > > > > > xx

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > DISCLAIMER

> > > > > > > > No information contained in this post is to be

> > construed

> > > as

> > > > > > > medical advice. If you need medical advice, please

seek

> it

> > > from a

> > > > > > > suitably qualified practitioner.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >