Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Did you run your numbers in a calculator like Soapcalc or MMS? Carol beer soap I am new to soapmaking. I made a couple batches of vegetarian bars using a cream ale. The beer was flat. I was able to bring it up to trace without any problem. I used a wooden log mold for the soap. The bars on both ends were still soft and kind of creamy after four days in the mold. I unmolded anyway and left the bars to cure. Those end bars are still somewhat soft after two weeks. The inner bars are fine. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions for improvement? I'm not sure if I can use the soft bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 no, i didn,t use any calculator. ________________________________ From: " cdesousa5@... " <cdesousa5@...> Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 6:24:05 PM Subject: Re: beer soap Did you run your numbers in a calculator like Soapcalc or MMS? Carol beer soap I am new to soapmaking. I made a couple batches of vegetarian bars using a cream ale. The beer was flat. I was able to bring it up to trace without any problem. I used a wooden log mold for the soap. The bars on both ends were still soft and kind of creamy after four days in the mold. I unmolded anyway and left the bars to cure. Those end bars are still somewhat soft after two weeks. The inner bars are fine. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions for improvement? I'm not sure if I can use the soft bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 That could be the problem. You might want to go to MMS website and plug in the oils you used and their quantity and see how much lye & water is required. Maybe you didn't use enough lye or too much water, oils. How did you come up with your recipe? Carol beer soap I am new to soapmaking. I made a couple batches of vegetarian bars using a cream ale. The beer was flat. I was able to bring it up to trace without any problem. I used a wooden log mold for the soap. The bars on both ends were still soft and kind of creamy after four days in the mold. I unmolded anyway and left the bars to cure. Those end bars are still somewhat soft after two weeks. The inner bars are fine. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions for improvement? I'm not sure if I can use the soft bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 I've been taking classes from Gelnett. I used her vegetarian recipe and substituted 2 cups of water with the beer. ________________________________ From: " cdesousa5@... " <cdesousa5@...> Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 7:49:56 PM Subject: Re: beer soap That could be the problem. You might want to go to MMS website and plug in the oils you used and their quantity and see how much lye & water is required. Maybe you didn't use enough lye or too much water, oils. How did you come up with your recipe? Carol beer soap I am new to soapmaking. I made a couple batches of vegetarian bars using a cream ale. The beer was flat. I was able to bring it up to trace without any problem. I used a wooden log mold for the soap. The bars on both ends were still soft and kind of creamy after four days in the mold. I unmolded anyway and left the bars to cure. Those end bars are still somewhat soft after two weeks. The inner bars are fine. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions for improvement? I'm not sure if I can use the soft bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 With out putting the ingredients into the calculator it is hard to know what the problem is. Could be that you are not weighing your oils and liquids using a scale that reads to a tenth. You have to measure exact to the 10th of a oz or gm. How are you measuring? Carol beer soap I am new to soapmaking. I made a couple batches of vegetarian bars using a cream ale. The beer was flat. I was able to bring it up to trace without any problem. I used a wooden log mold for the soap. The bars on both ends were still soft and kind of creamy after four days in the mold. I unmolded anyway and left the bars to cure. Those end bars are still somewhat soft after two weeks. The inner bars are fine. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions for improvement? I'm not sure if I can use the soft bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 I'm measuring by cups/ounces, not weight. I'll try the calculator web site for my next batch. I did do some research and most web sites I went to said just to substitute any or all the water with the beer in whatever recipe you use. ________________________________ From: " cdesousa5@... " <cdesousa5@...> Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 8:24:07 PM Subject: Re: beer soap With out putting the ingredients into the calculator it is hard to know what the problem is. Could be that you are not weighing your oils and liquids using a scale that reads to a tenth. You have to measure exact to the 10th of a oz or gm. How are you measuring? Carol beer soap I am new to soapmaking. I made a couple batches of vegetarian bars using a cream ale. The beer was flat. I was able to bring it up to trace without any problem. I used a wooden log mold for the soap. The bars on both ends were still soft and kind of creamy after four days in the mold. I unmolded anyway and left the bars to cure. Those end bars are still somewhat soft after two weeks. The inner bars are fine. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions for improvement? I'm not sure if I can use the soft bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Theresa, is the soft part kinda crumbly? Im wondering if it was temp or isulation issues. What did you do in those respects? Shaye <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=2226641/grpspId=1705162404/msgId =35799/stime=1238883085/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 The bar is not crumbly at all. The soap bar has some give to it when you press on it. The bar is softer than a regular soap bar. The middle bars were fine: it's just the end bars that didn't firm up as normal. I didn't use any insulation just the wooden mold. I set the mold on a window seat for four days. I haven't been insulating any of my soap. ________________________________ From: Shaye <shaye@...> Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 8:32:59 PM Subject: RE: beer soap Theresa, is the soft part kinda crumbly? Im wondering if it was temp or isulation issues. What did you do in those respects? Shaye <http://geo.. com/serv? s=97359714/ grpId=2226641/ grpspId=17051624 04/msgId =35799/stime= 1238883085/ nc1=1/nc2= 2/nc3=3> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 That's a tried and true and forgiving recipe I used to teach . I have made beer soap from it before substituting all the liquid for beer. It is olive palm rice bran and coconut oil. My guess is that it partially gelled in the log mold. Could be that when it was set by the window to cool it had this effect of partial gelling. Theresa Hallinan wrote: > > I've been taking classes from Gelnett. I used her vegetarian > recipe and substituted 2 cups of water with the beer. > > ________________________________ > From: " cdesousa5@... <mailto:cdesousa5%40comcast.net> " > <cdesousa5@... <mailto:cdesousa5%40comcast.net>> > <mailto:%40> > Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 7:49:56 PM > Subject: Re: beer soap > > That could be the problem. You might want to go to MMS website and > plug in the oils you used and their quantity and see how much lye & > water is required. Maybe you didn't use enough lye or too much water, > oils. How did you come up with your recipe? > Carol > beer soap > > I am new to soapmaking. I made a couple batches of vegetarian bars > using a cream ale. The beer was flat. I was able to bring it up to > trace without any problem. I used a wooden log mold for the soap. The > bars on both ends were still soft and kind of creamy after four days > in the mold. I unmolded anyway and left the bars to cure. Those end > bars are still somewhat soft after two weeks. The inner bars are fine. > Anyone have any ideas or suggestions for improvement? I'm not sure if > I can use the soft bars. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Certainly I cant say if it was due to not insulating because there are lots of soapers who dont insulate at all. I just know when I first started out, sometimes (not always) I'd get a partial gel. The inside of the soap would be fine when the outside would be soft. I am sure it was due to not fully gelling. What temps are you mixing at the oils and lye? This is just a possiblity. You can try to cut the soft part off and rebatch it if you wanted to see if you could still do something with it. Shaye RE: beer soap Theresa, is the soft part kinda crumbly? Im wondering if it was temp or isulation issues. What did you do in those respects? Shaye <http://geo.. com/serv? s=97359714/ grpId=2226641/ grpspId=17051624 04/msgId =35799/stime= 1238883085/ nc1=1/nc2= 2/nc3=3> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 I just also wanted to say with all due respect that you really dont have to weight the exact gram to get good soap. You will get a better consitancy from batch to batch if you do weight instead of use cups or whatever, but it there is a range of forgiveness. Shaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 I agree that you don't have to always go to the 10th of a gm, but it makes it less likely for errors especially if you want to get into lotions, etc. Carol RE: beer soap I just also wanted to say with all due respect that you really dont have to weight the exact gram to get good soap. You will get a better consitancy from batch to batch if you do weight instead of use cups or whatever, but it there is a range of forgiveness. Shaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 I'll try rebatching those bars and see what happens. Thanks for all your help. ________________________________ From: Shaye <shaye@...> Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 8:53:39 PM Subject: RE: beer soap I just also wanted to say with all due respect that you really dont have to weight the exact gram to get good soap. You will get a better consitancy from batch to batch if you do weight instead of use cups or whatever, but it there is a range of forgiveness. Shaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 It could be as Shaye is saying that it is just that it didn't gel all the way to the edges. I think if that is the only problem it should firm up with time.Not all people gel their soaps. Regards Carol RE: beer soap Theresa, is the soft part kinda crumbly? Im wondering if it was temp or isulation issues. What did you do in those respects? Shaye < http://geo.. com/serv? s=97359714/ grpId=2226641/ grpspId=17051624 04/msgId =35799/stime= 1238883085/ nc1=1/nc2= 2/nc3=3> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Yea, you should be more precise with lotion formulating but we were talking soap. I was just saying.... there is a range of forgiveness. I dint want Theresa to stress over grams with this batch of soap. I thought she was new at this and it can be easy to stress over it when your new. Shaye Re: beer soap I agree that you don't have to always go to the 10th of a gm, but it makes it less likely for errors especially if you want to get into lotions, etc. Carol RE: beer soap I just also wanted to say with all due respect that you really dont have to weight the exact gram to get good soap. You will get a better consitancy from batch to batch if you do weight instead of use cups or whatever, but it there is a range of forgiveness. Shaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Theresa, it all comes with experience and trial and error and finding out what works for you. I doubt that any of us make our soaps EXACTLY the same way but we have all found what works for us. Good luck with it and have fun! Shaye I'll try rebatching those bars and see what happens. Thanks for all your help. Recent Activity * 1 New </members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMWJjcWFyBF 9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjY2NDEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTYyNDA0BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3 ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzEyMzg4OTM4Nzg-> Members Visit <;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZjZyc2QzBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjY2NDEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTYyNDA0BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3 RpbWUDMTIzODg5Mzg3OA--> Your Group Give Back <http://us.lrd./_ylc=X3oDMTJtcXVibml2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSW QDMjIyNjY0MQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUxNjI0MDQEc2VjA25jbW9kBHNsawNicmFuZARzdGltZQMxMj M4ODkzODc4;_ylg=1/SIG=11314uv3k/**http%3A//brand./forgood> for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get <http://us.lrd./_ylc=X3oDMTJvbmJub3JpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzIEZ3JwSW QDMjIyNjY0MQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUxNjI0MDQEc2VjA25jbW9kBHNsawN0b29sYmFyBHN0aW1lAz EyMzg4OTM4Nzg-;_ylg=1/SIG=11c6dvmk9/**http%3A//toolbar./%3F.cpdl=yg rps> it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Start <start;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZHZhYjY4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzME Z3JwSWQDMjIyNjY0MQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUxNjI0MDQEc2VjA25jbW9kBHNsawNncm91cHMyBHN0 aW1lAzEyMzg4OTM4Nzg-> a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=2226641/grpspId=1705162404/msgId =35815/stime=1238893878/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Yep no stressing aloud. =) This should be fun, but it can be a little tricky if you don't measure by weight. It will help so much to have a good scale and I think you can get a decent postage scale at walmart for not to much money. Anyway sometimes changing additives such as you did with beer makes a little difference that changes everything. Make notes so you can tweak it and see what happens next time. But really just have fun everyone has baches that don't turn out right. Regards Carol RE: beer soap I just also wanted to say with all due respect that you really dont have to weight the exact gram to get good soap. You will get a better consitancy from batch to batch if you do weight instead of use cups or whatever, but it there is a range of forgiveness. Shaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Yeah that is exactly what I was thinking when I heard " the center was firm but the outside was soft " it sounds like the inner temp got up high enough for the soap to gel and get hard but the outter edges of the soap didn't get hot enough to gel up like the inside did. now some people don't like soap to gel, we had this discussion a while back on another site. and others prefer it gelled. it will harden up more as time goes on and you can decide which you like. prefer it hard then try insulating it more with some old towels. thats all > My guess is that it partially gelled in the log mold. Could be > that when it was set by the window to cool it had this effect of > partial gelling. > > > > Theresa Hallinan wrote: > > > > I've been taking classes from Gelnett. I used her vegetarian > > recipe and substituted 2 cups of water with the beer. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: " cdesousa5@... <mailto:cdesousa5%40comcast.net> " > > <cdesousa5@... <mailto:cdesousa5%40comcast.net>> > > <mailto:%40> > > Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 7:49:56 PM > > Subject: Re: beer soap > > > > That could be the problem. You might want to go to MMS website and > > plug in the oils you used and their quantity and see how much lye & > > water is required. Maybe you didn't use enough lye or too much water, > > oils. How did you come up with your recipe? > > Carol > > beer soap > > > > I am new to soapmaking. I made a couple batches of vegetarian bars > > using a cream ale. The beer was flat. I was able to bring it up to > > trace without any problem. I used a wooden log mold for the soap. The > > bars on both ends were still soft and kind of creamy after four days > > in the mold. I unmolded anyway and left the bars to cure. Those end > > bars are still somewhat soft after two weeks. The inner bars are fine. > > Anyone have any ideas or suggestions for improvement? I'm not sure if > > I can use the soft bars. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 , Have you used this log mold before with no problem? I find the beer and wine based recipes run a little hotter when curing. Koalas Boutique wrote: > > Yeah that is exactly what I was thinking when I heard " the center was > firm but the outside was soft " it sounds like the inner temp got up > high enough for the soap to gel and get hard but the outter edges of > the soap didn't get hot enough to gel up like the inside did. > > now some people don't like soap to gel, we had this discussion a while > back on another site. and others prefer it gelled. it will harden up > more as time goes on and you can decide which you like. prefer it hard > then try insulating it more with some old towels. thats all > > > My guess is that it partially gelled in the log mold. Could be > > that when it was set by the window to cool it had this effect of > > partial gelling. > > > > > > > > > > _ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 I'm going to make a 'double chocolate, stout ale' soap next week. Haven't tasted this yet but sounds very interesting. My question is - should I use the ale as my entire amount of liquid or should I use less of the ale and add water to make up the difference? Thanks for the advice. Jeanine Jeanine's Hummingbird Soap Works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 When I do wine soap I use 1/3 wine and 2/3 water. Just wondered if I should do the same with the beer. Jeanine Jeanine's Hummingbird Soap Works beer soap I'm going to make a 'double chocolate, stout ale' soap next week. Haven't tasted this yet but sounds very interesting. My question is - should I use the ale as my entire amount of liquid or should I use less of the ale and add water to make up the difference? Thanks for the advice. Jeanine Jeanine's Hummingbird Soap Works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 I myself would just do full beer. I have done it before with no problems. as long as it is flat. unless of course it tastes really good and you end up drinking most of it. It sounds like it might be good, but i'm not a beer drinker. Wine soap is one that foamed up like crazy on me. Good luck, I hope it turns out awsome, let us know. > > When I do wine soap I use 1/3 wine and 2/3 water. Just wondered if I should > do the same with the beer. > > Jeanine > > Jeanine's Hummingbird Soap Works > > beer soap > > > I'm going to make a 'double chocolate, stout ale' soap next week. > Haven't > tasted this yet but sounds very interesting. My question is - should I use > the ale as my entire amount of liquid or should I use less of the ale and > add water to make up the difference? Thanks for the advice. > > Jeanine > > Jeanine's Hummingbird Soap Works > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Not a beer drinker either. Now if it was wine....... Jeanine's Hummingbird Soap Works beer soap > > > I'm going to make a 'double chocolate, stout ale' soap next week. > Haven't > tasted this yet but sounds very interesting. My question is - should I use > the ale as my entire amount of liquid or should I use less of the ale and > add water to make up the difference? Thanks for the advice. > > Jeanine > > Jeanine's Hummingbird Soap Works > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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