Guest guest Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 >>From what i remember about physiology, lipase alone does not digest fats -- only after the fat has been acted upon by bile salts does lipase then do it's lipasing. So i lean toward the animal-based enzymes (with Ox Bile) perhaps combined with plant enzymes. > >Suggestions? > >Thank you in advance > >Dave Dave: Coconut oil digests easily. I can also digest fats a lot easier when I eat kimchi with the meal, and lately I've been doing well with the bio-gest. Fats also digest much easier since we quit eating wheat -- if you are gluten intolerant, fat indigestion is one of the classic symptoms. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 Dave, I didn't use to digest fats well either. I have been using AF Betafood by Standard Process. I think my situation involves less than optimal liver function and lack of exercise, and am presently addressing both those elements. So far, so good. Standard Process has a couple of products that are specifically for liver function and fat processing. Check it out. Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 >>>>>From what i remember about physiology, lipase alone does not digest fats -- only after the fat has been acted upon by bile salts does lipase then do it's lipasing. So i lean toward the animal-based enzymes (with Ox Bile) perhaps combined with plant enzymes. Suggestions? --->hi dave, i like " Digestzymes " from Designs for Health. It's got the oxbile. I think heidi likes biogest, and i've also considered the omegazyme, but it doesn't have pancreatin, HCL or ox bile, which i think are generally more useful. digestzymes is really hard to find online as i think it's usually only sold to health care professionals. my usual online source is not answering the phone so i recently located another source: http://www.healthyhotline.com/0248.shtml the only other two online sources i found require that you register and do some type of consultation with the health care professional who owns the site. DHI-DIGZ Digestzymes 90C 20.00 DETAILS: Formerly: Digestivezymes Chewable Tablet INGREDIENTS: SERVING SIZE: 1 cap/SERVINGS PER CONTAINER: 90 AMOUNT PER SERVING: Amylase (from Pancreatin 4x)........20,000 USP Protease (from Pancreatin 4x).......20,000 USP Lipase(from Pancreatin 4x)...........1,600 USP Betaine HCl............................200 mg Papain.................................125 mg Pepsin (1:10,000).......................65 mg Ox Bile.................................50 mg Gelatin(capsule shell), microcrystalline cell- ulose, magnesium stearate, silicon dioxide. RECOMMENDED USAGE: Take 1 capsule with each meal or as directed by your health-care practitioner. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Phat Message Hi. I don't digest fats very well. That may be my most successful pick-up line but it doesn't ease the zombie-like feeling i have when i eat " healthy " amounts of fat. And it's all kinds of fats. And i seem to feel worse as the day goes on (i keep a food diary). I have no gallbladder illness that i know of. Just started using Swedish Bitters and want to try an enzyme supplement but am unsure about animal-based vs. plant-based. I see Thorne's BioGest mentioned on this list. A plant-based enzyme that looks extremely potent is Garden of Life's Omegazyme. From what i remember about physiology, lipase alone does not digest fats -- only after the fat has been acted upon by bile salts does lipase then do it's lipasing. So i lean toward the animal-based enzymes (with Ox Bile) perhaps combined with plant enzymes. Suggestions? Thank you in advance Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 IMJ pancreatin is great. and if you have special trouble with fats you might try the country life formula that has massive amounts of lipase. if you are having a problem with bile production, that means you have either 1)inadequate amounts of dietary fat and cholesterol or 2) (more likely) stones blocking the bile ducts of the gallbladdder or even liver ducts. most people have some degree of blockage. bitter herbs and vegetables are good for resolving this. dandelion, milk thistle, picrorhiza kurroa, artichoke, and amaranthus phylanthus (sometimes called amaranthus nurie, or chianca piedra). foods include fresh horseradish, ginger, mustard, and bitter veggies like asparagus. all of these will stimulate bile production. the amaranthus phylanthus is especially good for softening and breaking the stones. cric johnson :-) > >>>>>From what i remember about physiology, lipase alone does not digest > fats -- only after the fat has been acted upon by bile salts does lipase > then do it's lipasing. So i lean toward the animal-based enzymes (with Ox > Bile) perhaps combined with plant enzymes. > > Suggestions? > > --->hi dave, i like " Digestzymes " from Designs for Health. It's got the > oxbile. I think heidi likes biogest, and i've also considered the omegazyme, > but it doesn't have pancreatin, HCL or ox bile, which i think are generally > more useful. digestzymes is really hard to find online as i think it's > usually only sold to health care professionals. my usual online source is > not answering the phone so i recently located another source: > http://www.healthyhotline.com/0248.shtml the only other two online sources i > found require that you register and do some type of consultation with the > health care professional who owns the site. > > DHI-DIGZ Digestzymes 90C 20.00 > DETAILS: > Formerly: Digestivezymes Chewable Tablet > INGREDIENTS: > SERVING SIZE: 1 cap/SERVINGS PER CONTAINER: 90 > AMOUNT PER SERVING: > Amylase (from Pancreatin 4x)........20,000 USP > Protease (from Pancreatin 4x).......20,000 USP > Lipase(from Pancreatin 4x)...........1,600 USP > Betaine HCl............................200 mg > Papain.................................125 mg > Pepsin (1:10,000).......................65 mg > Ox Bile.................................50 mg > Gelatin(capsule shell), microcrystalline cell- > ulose, magnesium stearate, silicon dioxide. > RECOMMENDED USAGE: > Take 1 capsule with each meal or as > directed by your health-care practitioner. > > > > > > Suze Fisher > Lapdog Design, Inc. > Web Design & Development > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ > mailto:s.fisher22@v... > > > Phat Message > > > Hi. I don't digest fats very well. > > That may be my most successful pick-up line but it doesn't ease the > zombie-like feeling i have when i eat " healthy " amounts of fat. And it's all > kinds of fats. And i seem to feel worse as the day goes on (i keep a food > diary). > > I have no gallbladder illness that i know of. > > Just started using Swedish Bitters and want to try an enzyme supplement but > am unsure about animal-based vs. plant-based. I see Thorne's BioGest > mentioned on this list. A plant-based enzyme that looks extremely potent is > Garden of Life's Omegazyme. > > From what i remember about physiology, lipase alone does not digest fats -- > only after the fat has been acted upon by bile salts does lipase then do > it's lipasing. So i lean toward the animal-based enzymes (with Ox Bile) > perhaps combined with plant enzymes. > > Suggestions? > > Thank you in advance > > Dave > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 >--->hi dave, i like " Digestzymes " from Designs for Health. It's got the >oxbile. I think heidi likes biogest, and i've also considered the omegazyme, >but it doesn't have pancreatin, HCL or ox bile, which i think are generally >more useful. I picked Bio-Gest mainly because someone recommended it to me, who had been prescribed it by a doctor. They do seem to be mainly " by prescription " but you can order them online. I haven't compared any brands. They are pretty powerful though -- DO NOT take them on an empty stomach! (They give me heartburn if I do -- but then, I get heartburn from strong tea too, so your milage may vary). -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 > Dave, > > I didn't use to digest fats well either. I have been using AF Betafood by > Standard Process. How does one know whether the body is digesting fats well or not? In fact, how can I tell if I need digestive enzymes at all? Thanks Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 >How does one know whether the body is digesting fats well or not? In >fact, how can I tell if I need digestive enzymes at all? > >Thanks > >Jo Typically, if you REALLY don't digest fats well, you get these greasy, gross floaty stools, and you can see the fat in the water. If you just digest them a little bit not well, you get nauseated after fatty meals or don't feel well. But there are tests one can get: if you are under a doctors care, they might do a " stool test " . Some people just start taking the enzymes, and if they make a big difference in how you feel, odds are you need them. There is a test for low stomach acid though -- you take 1/2 tsp. of baking soda dissolved in water, first thing in the morning, and see how long it is til you burp. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 > Typically, if you REALLY don't digest fats well, you get these greasy, > gross floaty stools, and you can see the fat in the water. I didn't realise this was to do with poor digestion. I understood that if you eat more fat than your body needs then it will just expel that which it doesn't need. That is, unless you eat it with carbs in which case it will be stored as fat. I haven't noticed this problem anyway. > If you just digest them a little bit not well, you > get nauseated after fatty meals or don't feel well. Nor this one. But there > are tests one can get: if you are under a doctors care, they > might do a " stool test " . Some people just start taking the > enzymes, and if they make a big difference in how you feel, > odds are you need them. I don't feel that anything is wrong with my digestion, so I'm probably ok. My partner doesn't feel in any way " off " either, however, he has a weight problem and just cannot lose weight. So I was wondering about it. I've just asked him about his stools and he's totally grossed out now! lol!!! > There is a test for low stomach acid though -- you take > 1/2 tsp. of baking soda dissolved in water, first thing > in the morning, and see how long it is til you burp. I would probably burp very quickly. Since I went low carb 3.5 years ago, the minute I sip anything fizzy, all the gas just comes back up! So, is quick burping sign of normal acid or low acid? ANd what's the definition of quick and slow in this test? Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 >> Typically, if you REALLY don't digest fats well, you get these >greasy, >> gross floaty stools, and you can see the fat in the water. > >I didn't realise this was to do with poor digestion. I understood >that if you eat more fat than your body needs then it will just expel >that which it doesn't need. That is, unless you eat it with carbs in >which case it will be stored as fat. I haven't noticed this problem >anyway. It probably is true you expel what you don't need ... but if you can't digest it, you expel most of it. I disagree with the concept that eating it with carbs makes much difference ... if you are in ketosis, your body burns more calories, so you absorb more. And if you eat starches and esp. if you have blood sugar issues, you will tend to store fat instead of burning it. But if you have blood sugar issues, you will store fat from ANY source, fat or carb. >I don't feel that anything is wrong with my digestion, so I'm >probably ok. My partner doesn't feel in any way " off " either, >however, he has a weight problem and just cannot lose weight. So I >was wondering about it. I've just asked him about his stools and >he's totally grossed out now! lol!!! He he. Most guys REALLY don't like talking about that. Or most gals, I guess. Cutting down grains really can help in the weight dept, esp. wheat IMO. Gliadin messes with the villi, in my theory, which messes up the appestat. Anyway, my family lost weight immediately when I cut out gluten (which is one reason they don't complain!). My husband lost 20 lbs and now fits into his high school clothes. But all starch can mess up your insulin levels, so the meat/vegie diet works pretty well and it's easy to stick to. >> There is a test for low stomach acid though -- you take >> 1/2 tsp. of baking soda dissolved in water, first thing >> in the morning, and see how long it is til you burp. > >I would probably burp very quickly. Since I went low carb 3.5 years >ago, the minute I sip anything fizzy, all the gas just comes back >up! So, is quick burping sign of normal acid or low acid? ANd >what's the definition of quick and slow in this test? I think " quick " is less than two minutes, and means you have higher acid content. But really, anyone who suspects a problem should REALLY read the book " Why stomach acid is good for you " -- it is packed with info and has a lot more detail than I can give. He ties a lot of what I consider gluten issues to low acid -- since most celiacs tend to have low acid, I think there may be a connection. He believes both rosacea and depression, and many of the bowel diseases, stem from low acid. There is a whole section on self-diagnosis. If you are eating low carb, you probably have enough stomach acid (I think protein tends to encourage acid production -- and grains might mess it up, judging from anectdotal evidence). Anyway, if your digestion seems ok it probably IS ok. People with messed up digestion are usually aware of it! And if you eat a high-fat diet with low stomach acid/enzymes, you feel really lousy after meals, judging from my experience and what people say. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Hi Heidi > He he. Most guys REALLY don't like talking about that. Or most > gals, I guess. Cutting down grains really can help in the > weight dept, esp. wheat IMO. Gliadin messes with the villi, > in my theory, which messes up the appestat. Anyway, my family > lost weight immediately when I cut out gluten (which is > one reason they don't complain!). My partner has also been low carb for 3 years, eating no grains. He lost 140lbs, now has about 70-80lbs to go, so he is still very overweight, but the first 140lbs probably saved his life. Unfortunately, he has been stalled or gaining for 18 months now and we're at a loss what to do next. He doesn't appear to have any digestive problems at all. I'm just clutching at straws really. Thanks Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 >My partner has also been low carb for 3 years, eating no grains. He >lost 140lbs, now has about 70-80lbs to go, so he is still very >overweight, but the first 140lbs probably saved his life. >Unfortunately, he has been stalled or gaining for 18 months now and >we're at a loss what to do next. He doesn't appear to have any >digestive problems at all. I'm just clutching at straws really. Jo: Ouch! That is a hard one. I suppose he's been tested for the obvious stuff, like thyroid? Has he tried exercise, esp. weight lifting? The men I've known generally lose weight so *easily* compared to women. He might also just consider tracking good ol' fashioned calories. I firmly believe that in an ideal system, you don't have to worry about calories because you will just automatically eat the correct amount -- but many of us are really fouled up in the appestat department and need to do portion control! Also replacing some fats with coconut oil or MCT might help -- it revs up the metabolism and it doesn't tend to get stored as fat. I do realize that according to the Atkins folks, extra fat doesn't get stored, but the human body doesn't always work according to theory. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 >> Also replacing some fats with coconut oil or MCT might help -- it revs up the metabolism and it doesn't tend to get stored as fat. I do realize that according to the Atkins folks, extra fat doesn't get stored, but the human body doesn't always work according to theory. << Actually, Dr. Atkins did say that if you eat too much of anything including fat, it will be stored as fat. And he said that as you got near goal you often do have to look at portion control (ie, calories). It's very common if you have a great deal to lose for it to be pretty easy until you get close to goal, and then often you do have to tighten things up. But I think it's dangerous to start lowering calories too early, because then you'll end up shutting your metabolism down and your body will function at such a low calorie level that you won't be able to maintain it, and your weight will inevitably go back up. It's a delicate balance. Sometimes folks need to just be more realistic about how long weight loss will take, sometimes they need MORE food, sometimes they need to change the balance of fat/carb/protein, sometimes they really need more exercise or more lean muscle, and yes, sometimes they need to eat less. Dr. Atkins is very clear that we need to eat until satisfied but not stuffed, and that is yet another delicate balance. It can be very hard to learn to listen to your body after years or decades of trying to tell it to shut up about food already. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 dmigs@... wrote: > Hi. I don't digest fats very well. > > That may be my most successful pick-up line but it doesn't ease the zombie-like feeling i have when i eat " healthy " amounts of fat. And it's all kinds of fats. And i seem to feel worse as the day goes on (i keep a food diary). > > I have no gallbladder illness that i know of. Here's a formula made by someone who said it increased her stomach acid production and improved fat digestion: Quoting: " 1 part fresh dandelion root tincture 1 part milk thistle tincture 1 part angelica ( Archangelica) tincture 1 part berberis tincture 1 part pau d'arco tincture 1/2 part cayenne tincture I take about 80 drops in 2 drinks of water with a pineapple extract tablet about 5 minutes before my meals. I had pretty much narrowed down from systemic candida to just bacterial overgrowth in the small intestine. So I figured the start of my problems was lack of hcl and pancreatic enzymes. I put in the dandelion and cayenne to increase hcl, the pau d'arco to kill bacteria (berberis also), the milk thistle to regenerate the liver, angelica as a general digestive, and the berberis to help improve fat metabolism (dandelion also). " Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 > Ouch! That is a hard one. I suppose he's been tested for the > obvious stuff, like thyroid? Has he tried exercise, esp. > weight lifting? No, he tends to work in his spare time ;-) He's self employed. > > He might also just consider tracking good ol' fashioned > calories. I firmly believe that in an ideal system, > you don't have to worry about calories because you will > just automatically eat the correct amount -- but many > of us are really fouled up in the appestat department > and need to do portion control! That is my next plan. There are 2 diets: first off the atkins fat fast - 1000 cals per day 90% of which are from fat. Or the Kekwick diet, but that is lower in fat and he might get hungry, and he doesn't believe in being hungry! He's done the fat fast before, but it's hard to come off it without gaining weight back. > > Also replacing some fats with coconut oil or MCT might help -- What's MCT? I'm hoping I have a source of affordable virgn coconut oil. I keep meaning to go and never do... > it revs up the metabolism and it doesn't tend to get > stored as fat. I do realize that according to the Atkins > folks, extra fat doesn't get stored, but the human body > doesn't always work according to theory. Yep, and don't we know it! lol! Thanks for your advice Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 > Actually, Dr. Atkins did say that if you eat too much of anything >including fat, it will be stored as fat. And he said that as you got >near goal you often do have to look at portion control (ie, >calories). It's very common if you have a great deal to lose for it >to be pretty easy until you get close to goal, and then often you do >have to tighten things up. n is not close to goal - he still has 80lbs or so to lose. > > But I think it's dangerous to start lowering calories too early, >because then you'll end up shutting your metabolism down and your >body will function at such a low calorie level that you won't be >able to maintain it, and your weight will inevitably go back up. >It's a delicate balance. He already eats less than he used to. I think he's now on 3000 or so cals per day, which isn't a lot considering he weighs 2.5 times as much as me and I eat 2000 cals per day. > Sometimes folks need to just be more realistic about how long >weight loss will take, Stalled/gaining for 18 months? This is definitely unusual. >sometimes they need MORE food, sometimes they need to change the >balance of fat/carb/protein, We've done all that. Raised and lowered each one - nothing is making a jot of difference. >sometimes they really need more exercise or more lean muscle, and >yes, sometimes they need to eat less. Dr. Atkins is very clear that >we need to eat until satisfied but not stuffed, and that is yet >another delicate balance. I am trying to gauge from his reactions whether he is stuffing himself or not. I don't think he is, cos if I sneakily put less on his plate than normal, he complains about being hungry within a few minutes, and goes for some pork scratchings or some nuts. The only thing left to try is exercise, but I don't know when he is going to fit that in Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 I take it you are not following NT recommendations? Ann > Lynn, > I have lost 85 lbs and have at least 25 to 40 more to go. So I, too, am still overweight. I have just started on my 25 lbs which I jokingly refer to as Phase Two. Here are the things that are working for me, which I do with varying degrees of consistency. > > - Eat less fat. Since I am trying to lose fat, I do not want to contribute directly to the stockpile. I choose lowfat or fat free salad dressings, I use 1/4 pat of butter where I would have used a whole one. I drink 1% or nonfat milk. > - Eat fewer things that convert to fat quickly. I only choose small amounts of pasta, rice, crackers, potatoes. No sugary stuff. I have also been told that eating something acidic with these carb items slows down digestion. > - No dry carbohyrates at all for dinner. If I want the rice, pasta, crackers, potatoes, etc, I enjoy them at my breakfast or lunch meal. Dinner is only wet carbs - lettuce, vegetables, etc. > - Do not eat past 7 p.m. That way, I have fewer unused calories to convert to fat. > - Exercise vigorously at least 3 times per week. > - When jogging, alternate between high energy use and low energy use. Like 2 minutes fast, 1 minute slow. I have been told that this takes my body through the fat using zone more often. > - When possible, exercise in the morning, before eating. That way, the most available energy source is stored fat. > - Drink plenty of water. > - Little or no alcohol. > - Journal every morning. I write down my affirmations - e.g. great work out yesterday. I was able to go the whole time without wanting to quit. I also write down my triggers - anger flashes, loneliness. This has allowed me to become more self-loving and also aware of my eating triggers BEFORE I eat. > > Over the 85 lbs, I have implemented certain ones of these practices then gradually added on. Just 3 weeks ago I added the a.m. exercise, no intake after 7, and no carbs at dinner and I have been able to drop 8 lbs. So for right now, its working. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 >> Since I am trying to lose fat, I do not want to contribute directly to the stockpile. I choose lowfat or fat free salad dressings, I use 1/4 pat of butter where I would have used a whole one. I drink 1% or nonfat milk. << And yet I've lost a huge amount of fat in the last two months, getting 70 percent of my calories from fat, drinking raw cream, cooking with raw butter, and making full fat dressings. Dietary fat does not equal stored body fat. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 >> - Eat less fat. Since I am trying to lose fat, I do not want to >contribute directly to the stockpile. I choose lowfat or fat free >salad dressings, I use 1/4 pat of butter where I would have used a >whole one. I drink 1% or nonfat milk. All of these are pretty much in lines with what the weight lifters do. I'll take the devil's advocate position here ... the body NEEDS fat, it lives off fat. If a person is carrying 100 lbs or so of extra fat around, why *not* make the body use it up? There isn't a whole lot of difference between using lipids released by the fat cells, and using lipids released during digestion. I know there is the issue of eating too much protein causing more work for the kidneys, but if you eat a moderate amount of protein, and have lots of extra lipids floating around in your blood (as overweight people tend to) then I'd think your body will just use the lipids in the blood. At a cellular level, how does you body know the difference? Anyway, there is a new diet out much like Lynn describes, the South Beach diet -- few starches, lean protein. I'd guess it would work good for losing weight, in the short run, not good for living off in the long run. Of course, you'd have to make sure to get all your fat-soluable nutrients, maybe in something concentrated, like liver or fish oil ... And once you don't have all that fat padding, people don't seem to do well long-term on low fat diets. Not eating starch later in the day is a good idea too -- I've started concentrating all my starches in the AM. Not eating after 7 is a good idea, but I've never been able to do it -- I just stay up too late, and without a nighttime snack I don't sleep. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 >> And once you don't have all that fat padding, people don't seem to do well long-term on low fat diets. << Even WITH the fat padding, we don't do so well, Heidi! I am not saying my situation is the same as everyone, but when I started eating according to Atkins principles but with an NT flare <G>, I had so many immediate benefits, before I even lost weight, that it blew my mind. On the first day (obviously before any weight could be lost), I stopped having chronic chills, stopped feeling sleepy after meals, and had a huge wave of energy. I was not hungry, and felt extremely satisfied eating only 20 grams of carbs (even counting the trace carbs in cream, eggs, etc), and getting around 70 percent of my calories from fat. By the third day, all my stiff joints and various minor aches and pains simply disappeared. My energy continued to explode through the roof. A nagging rash in my left armpit went away, never to return. My skin felt like silk. I was sleeping better, and to my complete fascination, I turned into a morning person. I would wake up at 6 and be wide awake and raring to go, and by 10 I couldn't keep my eyes open. In the past I've been someone who could easily stay up until 3 am and if I had to get up before 10 AM, I felt sick. In the 10 weeks I've been eating this way, I have dropped 10 inches off my waist, lost two dress sizes, and feel 20 years younger. So whatever the reason is, whatever the biochemistry, whatever the explanation, it appears to be true at least for some people that you can eat a very large amount of dietary fat, with all its accompanying deliciousness, beneficial nutrients, and ability to make you feel satisfied and not hungry, and still burn excess body fat. I certainly was never able to spark this metabolic turnaround by lowering fat in my diet, nor cutting calories, nor even with exercise alone. For what it's worth.... Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 When I found this group about a year ago, I did purchase and read NT. Some of the things I did not say earlier. I belong to a community supported agriculture group (Tierra ) and started a garden for the first time in my life. So I eat mostly organic veg and fruit. I purchased a home raised beef and do not buy grocery store beef any more. Free range chicken, eggs, and am working to improve the rest. Granted, mine is the extreme case - needing to lose more than 100 lbs. > Lynn, > I have lost 85 lbs > - Eat less fat. > - Eat fewer things that convert to fat quickly > - No dry carbohyrates at all for dinner. > - Exercise vigorously > - When jogging, alternate > - When possible, exercise in the morning, before eating. > - Drink plenty of water. > - Little or no alcohol. > - Journal every morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 >So whatever the reason is, whatever the biochemistry, whatever the explanation, it appears to be true at least for some people that you can eat a very large amount of dietary fat, with all its accompanying deliciousness, beneficial nutrients, and ability to make you feel satisfied and not hungry, and still burn excess body fat. I certainly was never able to spark this metabolic turnaround by lowering fat in my diet, nor cutting calories, nor even with exercise alone. > >For what it's worth.... > >Christie Well, I'm ALL FOR " whatever works " . What works for one person does not work for another, and not all folks can go low carb for a long time. The " Metabolic typing " idea might be close to the truth -- it depends who you are! Some people do great on low carb with lots of fat. Others end up not losing after the first 20 lbs or so and do better on low fat. Like I said, I'm playing devil's advocate -- I don't think there is a " one size fits all " food plan for any human being. I got rid of my chills and most joint problems when I went GF though, and I think a lot of the relief people feel may be the cessation of allergic reactions. It even said this on the Atkins website when I last looked. The reason it might be important to know this is that if you (or anyone else) decides they MUST have some cake, it might be possible to have the cake and NOT get the chills and joint problems, IF the problem was allergic and not carbs in general. I know so many people who just couldn't live the " Atkins " lifestyle and now they have all their symptoms (and weight) back. Also, I went for years doing great on most diets, but would stall when I got to a certain point -- which turned out to be the point where they allowed " a little " pasta or whatever. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Christie, Ahhhh...this sounds lovely, as my diet is about 60% fat On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:11:58 -0700 " Christie " <christiekeith@...> wrote: > And yet I've lost a huge amount of fat in the last two months, getting 70 percent of my calories from fat, drinking raw cream, cooking with raw butter, and making full fat dressings. > > Dietary fat does not equal stored body fat. > > Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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