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Hi list, there's been a lot lately about OCDers and school and I've been

thinking about this because of Kel's current worsening. When she is doing

well, teachers tell me she's fine, I don't see anything, there must be 10

other kids in her class I'd guess before her as having OCD. (There, there

Mom--feels patronizing to me.) When she's suddenly worse, as this past

several days, come the phone calls, the notes home asking me to unravel the

mystery of why there's suddenly so much OCD to contend with. They basically

want me to *do* something, solve the problem *now*, along the lines of

Dana's magic pill I guess. Like we wouldn't use it religiously anyway if

there were such a thing. Just a mini-vent. :-)

I wanted to know if anyone can suggest an E & RP approach for Kel's wasting

paper in class. The teacher wants the kids to use both sides of a sheet of

paper when they draw, Kel has some OCD problem with this she can't explain

very well--probably " just so " stuff. The teacher guessed it was OCD but

it's gotten out of hand because the other kids don't want to use both sides

either, and some have noticed that she allows Kel to use fronts only. I

offered to supplement the classes' supply of newsprint (enabling I know) but

there are the issues of recyling and not wasting resources to consider. Kel

would rather not, but doesn't have much trouble using both sides of paper

here at home, I'd like to help with this problem but I'm stumped. I feel

this is sort of low-level and we have bigger problems to address at the

moment, but Kel's teacher has brought it up twice now.

Kathy R. in Indiana

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Hi Kathy,

When people have it drilled in to them that fair means everyone having the same,

as opposed to fair meaning everyone's needs being met, they do exactly what

those other kids are doing - focusing on what someone else has rather than what

they have. A good teacher can diffuse this, and should, since a lot of the

clamoring for " fairness " is just attention seeking and one -upping. It's like

when you read a story to preschoolers; they all start whining " I can't see!

He's in my way!. I tell them at the beginning that it is their responsibility

to sit where they can see, look behind you to see if you can sit on your knees,

move if you can't see etc..but don't interrupt with complaints once I start!

Once they see that I won't be sucked into the " poor me could everyone else

please get in trouble " stuff, they stop it completely and enjoy the book. And

after awhile it becomes a habit and it shows in everything they do together.

So, I guess what I'm saying is that if your instincts tell you to let this one

go for now then the teachers should drop it too (I'm sure the extra paper Kel

uses will not even come close to what the gov't, let alone grad students,

waste:-)). If the teacher would just redirect the other children to keep their

focus on their own instructions about paper use and let her do her job regarding

what other's do it will stop being a big deal. Young children feel safe when

they trust that there needs will be met and an adult is in charge - not when

they are continually focused on what everyone else has and can get feelings of

false power by getting adults involved in their internal conflicts.

Once you find out why Kel can't use both sides of the paper at school you can

begin some erp work on it, and you will find out eventually probably, in the

meantime the teacher needs to back off and get back in charge of the class.

Your instincts are good and I think you should trust them.

Dana in NC

Kathy wrote:

> From: " Kathy " <klr@...>

>

> Hi list, there's been a lot lately about OCDers and school and I've been

> thinking about this because of Kel's current worsening. When she is doing

> well, teachers tell me she's fine, I don't see anything, there must be 10

> other kids in her class I'd guess before her as having OCD. (There, there

> Mom--feels patronizing to me.) When she's suddenly worse, as this past

> several days, come the phone calls, the notes home asking me to unravel the

> mystery of why there's suddenly so much OCD to contend with. They basically

> want me to *do* something, solve the problem *now*, along the lines of

> Dana's magic pill I guess. Like we wouldn't use it religiously anyway if

> there were such a thing. Just a mini-vent. :-)

>

> I wanted to know if anyone can suggest an E & RP approach for Kel's wasting

> paper in class. The teacher wants the kids to use both sides of a sheet of

> paper when they draw, Kel has some OCD problem with this she can't explain

> very well--probably " just so " stuff. The teacher guessed it was OCD but

> it's gotten out of hand because the other kids don't want to use both sides

> either, and some have noticed that she allows Kel to use fronts only. I

> offered to supplement the classes' supply of newsprint (enabling I know) but

> there are the issues of recyling and not wasting resources to consider. Kel

> would rather not, but doesn't have much trouble using both sides of paper

> here at home, I'd like to help with this problem but I'm stumped. I feel

> this is sort of low-level and we have bigger problems to address at the

> moment, but Kel's teacher has brought it up twice now.

>

> Kathy R. in Indiana

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I don't have any suggestions as to why using both sides of the newsprint is

difficult for Kel, but since you mention that she will use two sides of paper

at home it could just be the newsprint. One of the accommodations we have for

Ian at school is that he does not have to write on newsprint at all. He uses

lined white paper. For him it is easier to erase if he has to and this small

change has made a big difference in his attitude toward the work. Newsprint

is really not made to stand up to the kind of punishment some kids exert when

they write. For some reason Ian must print very darkly (making it impossible

to erase if there is a mistake - probably like a self fulfilling prophecy).

Take care

joy in san diego

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Hi Kathy:

Your question about designing the two-sided paper problem CBT was one which

our CBT home team reviewed and we have come up with two opinions. THe

first is mine.

After re-reading (oops!) your email I felt that you might want to rely on

your intuition that this is a low-level problem and you have bigger ones to

address and just hang in there. That way if you are continuing with other

CBT, it might generalize to the paper problem. Also as the OCD wanes, Kel

might be better able to boss this one back (although the teacher is not

helping as much as she might). In a way the part of the problem that is

most tricky is that this is possibly straining the teacher's ability to

cope in the classroom and she might inadvertently reflect this in her

treatment of Kel.

The second opinon (I was outvoted) was best expressed by Steve who felt

that the OCD must be bossed back or else it would take over more. When I

read him your question he started to ritualize immediately tapping all over

the kitchen cabinet doors and moving about agitatedly, all the while

concentrating on the question at hand. He became quite specific with his

advice. He suggested you ask the teacher to assign an art project to Kel

where she would draw or write the word of her favorite treat, he suggested

ice cream, all over both sides of the paper for the reward of getting a

delicious dish of her favorite ice cream flavor when this was done. He

would like to see an ice cream party for the whole class for this.

Steve told me that making the CBT fun really helped him a lot. For example

he told me he really enjoyed burying small figures in the sand (beach is

contaminated) and then digging them up - he plans to be an archaeologist.

To get him to dig in the dirt (ugh, highly contaminated from his point of

view) we went to a plant nursery, bought potted plants, a window box

planter, some soil, and fertilizer and then set to work with him designing

the way things would look in the box planter. It was hard to do but he

actually enjoyed it and is proud to this day of his plantings. We also got

him to plant seeds and repot the seedlings for catnip for his beloved cats.

Good luck with the CBT, please let us know how it goes. Take care, aloha,

Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 10:18 PM 02/28/2000 -0500, you wrote:

>From: " Kathy " <klr@...>

>

>Hi list, there's been a lot lately about OCDers and school and I've been

>thinking about this because of Kel's current worsening. When she is doing

>well, teachers tell me she's fine, I don't see anything, there must be 10

>other kids in her class I'd guess before her as having OCD. (There, there

>Mom--feels patronizing to me.) When she's suddenly worse, as this past

>several days, come the phone calls, the notes home asking me to unravel the

>mystery of why there's suddenly so much OCD to contend with. They basically

>want me to *do* something, solve the problem *now*, along the lines of

>Dana's magic pill I guess. Like we wouldn't use it religiously anyway if

>there were such a thing. Just a mini-vent. :-)

>

>I wanted to know if anyone can suggest an E & RP approach for Kel's wasting

>paper in class. The teacher wants the kids to use both sides of a sheet of

>paper when they draw, Kel has some OCD problem with this she can't explain

>very well--probably " just so " stuff. The teacher guessed it was OCD but

>it's gotten out of hand because the other kids don't want to use both sides

>either, and some have noticed that she allows Kel to use fronts only. I

>offered to supplement the classes' supply of newsprint (enabling I know) but

>there are the issues of recyling and not wasting resources to consider. Kel

>would rather not, but doesn't have much trouble using both sides of paper

>here at home, I'd like to help with this problem but I'm stumped. I feel

>this is sort of low-level and we have bigger problems to address at the

>moment, but Kel's teacher has brought it up twice now.

>

>Kathy R. in Indiana

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