? cayenne pepper]

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

I don't know what it feels like to you, but I think we are coming up

with a few good ideas for you in this dialog we have got going on your

health. ly, what made me challenge you is this: whenever someone

says they tried all the good things and none of them worked, or all of

them caused problems, and there is no hope, etc., or any combination,

then I automatically become skeptical of that persons

perceptions/rationales of why nothing good helped. When one of us is

having as much trouble establishing a productive plan as you are, I

believe we need to put our problem on the list for further input. Isn't

that why we're here? Not to be judgmental, but to tussle, tug & wrestle

a problem until we find some solution. For ourself and for others.

And, here is one of your misconceptions: you say you know your leaky gut

is worse when you take cayenne because your body odor gets worse. That

idea is simply wrong! Your body odor becoming worse is a sign toxins are

coming out through the largest organ in your body, your 3rd kidney --

your skin! It is proof the cayenne was working!

In his booklet on colon cleansing, Dr. Jensen points out that when one

has a toxic colon, it will create a bad odor in the armpits. If one then

uses an antiperspirant to eliminate that odor, then the toxic smell

comes out in the crotch. When one covers that, then it comes out in the

feet. He says the test to see if you have an impacted, toxic colon is to

wear the same cotton socks for 3 days. If they smell bad after three

days, your colon is toxic! Because, if it isn't, then you can wear the

same socks for days with no odor!

That odor is a message from your body to you. Forget the message of

Madison Avenue advertising, that you must never smell less that sweet.

If that odor is being suppressed, then your toxins have NO outlet! This

guarantees a negative outcome! Be glad that odor comes out! You know you

are cleaning out toxins. Then, when the odor stops, you will have

personal proof you are cleaner inside than before.

Another thing you say is that you used to take CS to clean up your

blood. You CAN'T clean up your blood. If your blood has toxins in it

your liver and kidneys are too overloaded to filter out, then getting

those toxins out at the source is the only way you can clean up your

blood. The body has to do it! It is important that the mental model we

choose to understand a problem is a vaguely accurate one. It helps

understanding. A faulty mental model hinders understanding. Good health

is impossible if the processes of elimination are clogged with gunk. The

kidneys & liver cannot efficiently get rid of wastes if the colon is

impacted & toxic. In sports we are told to " keep our eys on the ball! "

In your case, that is your colon first.

Keep in mind it is in your own words you say your colon is your problem.

You keep saying, " leaky gut, leaky gut, leaky gut. " To which my only

answer is, " clean it out, clean it out, clean it out. " And, don't quit a

good program over nonessential issues like body odor for a few weeks or

months. Odor isn't dangerous. Tolerate it.

You also say you have avoided colonics because they deplete minerals and

you have poor absorption. You will never have good absorption of any

nutrient if your colon is toxic and you are generally unhealthy.

Cleaning out your colon & restoring its health is the best way to

improve mineral absorption! In the meantime, colloidal minerals will

absorb better.

You said you took HCL/enzymes & had a serious pain in your gut, then

stopped & the pain went away. Where was that pain? I assume in the

abdomen. High, low, left, right -- where? Did you try enzymes without

the HCL? Maybe insufficient HCl is not your problem? Maybe you have an

incipient ulcer? Maybe you are dehydrated and your pancreas hasn't got

enough water to make bicarbonate of soda to dilute the acid before it

goes into the duodenum? That will make a pain bad enough to scare

anyone, but I won't tell you where until you tell me where your pain

was!

Try the enzymes without the HCL. And, what kind of digestive enzymes do

you take. I wish I could remember the name of that wonderful enzyme book

I read a year ago. DOes anyone else remember what it was? I lent it to

someone. It described why many of the standard enzymes like oxbile,

pineapple & other common ones don't/won't work in the human gut --

because they activate at the wrong Ph or temperature. Good digestive

enzymes are important to cleaning out a leaky gut. I routinely find good

enzymes in health food stores now. I just have to take more of them than

the more potent mail-order ones I used to get. It costs about the same.

Now, do YOU see some of the walls you are up against? Your biggest one,

IMO, is you manage to find reasons to stop everything that might help.

This is not an empty criticism. In fact, it is a common,

self-defeating, attitude when the body is sick enough, long enough.

Confusion, depression and defeatism are part of Nature's way of

eliminating you from the gene pool becvause you aren't healthy. It's

natural selection in action! When in doubt, persevere!

Some of the reasons you found to stop are simply misconceptions. Which

is one of the main purposes of a list like this. I doubt there is one of

us here who does not occasionally learn something new, or have a

conception altered. But, that only happens when we put it out there for

our friends to make suggestions and pick holes in ideas, because the

human body is not too complicated for you to understand. It is too

complicated for any of us to fully understand! But, when we put all our

brains together on the same problem, one person knows this, and one

person knows that, and together we might constitute enough of a mind to

comprehend an issue or two and help each other.

One of the things I would recommend to you is to stop looking at more

esoteric issues and stick with the single most basic need you seem to

have -- cleaning out your colon. Then your liver and kidneys. Then,

after you have accomplished some of those, look at the other things.

And, it would be a good idea to find an alternative practitioner in your

area who understands the cleaning out process. It is important to have

that personal, human involvement!

So, to you and everyone else on the list who feels they are fighting a

losing battle with a health problem, speak up! You know who you are! ;-)

And, if you don't feel desperate, but have a question anyway, ask it!

Quite a few people have written me privately in the last two years and

asked, " Jim, you will tell strangers ANYTHING about yourself. Doesn't it

ever embarrass you? " Sometimes, yes. But, I didn't let that stop me from

finding solutions for myself.

I had congestive heart failure real bad. So, I also became impotent.

When my heart got better I was still impotent. If I had let

embarrassment stop me, I would still be impotent. So, I asked questions,

got answers and now that is completely behind me. In some ways I am more

virile than when younger because my general health is better too, and

that is reassuring to me when I think of myself as " closer to sixty than

to fifty. " I don't have to look into a bleak future minus one of life's

blessings. And, I am not in the least embarrassed about discussing that,

because the discussion might bring me a question privately from another

listmember that will help them improve the quality of their life too!

One reason I'm so willing to start a dialog is I know that all we have

to do on this list is ask a good question to get a lot of good minds

helping us!

And, one last thing for this post, Deb: I am not picking on you. I am

trying to help you see through the fog! ;-)) It takes a lot of time to

pick through posts and write involved, serious answers to people with

serious problems. Feeling arrogant, superior or enjoying being

judgmental are not rewarding enough for that much typing. ;-) I do not

consider myself expert, infallible or even very knowledgeable on health

issues. I am just curious, fairly well-read, and willing to jump in and

help!

jim

> Hey Jim,

> It [cayenne] never bothers me really, sometimes coming out<G> but I can

> tell it makes the leaky intestines worse sincen my body odor gets

> worse for a few days after I take it. At least this is the gauge I

> use.

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For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is

always wrong -- H.L. Mencken

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

http://www.entrance.to/poetry

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I can testify to your points on body odor. For years, I've had

body odor problems that got alot worse when I took garlic caps. A

friend of mine insisted that the garlic was purging my body of toxins.

I wrongly insisted that it was just the odor of the garlic.

I've been working real hard the past six months to straighten

out my diet among other things. After a few months, one of the first

things I noticed was that my body odor changed in a big way for the

better. I've been taking garlic caps and even cutting up a raw clove

in veggie juices and salads, and there's been no increase in body

odour.

The only thing I have to watch out for from eating too much

garlic and spice are pains in my gut and esophagus. I have a hiatal

hernia that acts up from time to time.

The body is an amazing being.

> And, here is one of your misconceptions: you say you know your leaky

> gut is worse when you take cayenne because your body odor gets worse.

> That idea is simply wrong! Your body odor becoming worse is a sign

> toxins are coming out through the largest organ in your body, your 3rd

> kidney -- your skin! It is proof the cayenne was working!

>

> In his booklet on colon cleansing, Dr. Jensen points out that when one

> has a toxic colon, it will create a bad odor in the armpits. If one

> then uses an antiperspirant to eliminate that odor, then the toxic

> smell comes out in the crotch. When one covers that, then it comes out

> in the feet. He says the test to see if you have an impacted, toxic

> colon is to wear the same cotton socks for 3 days. If they smell bad

> after three days, your colon is toxic! Because, if it isn't, then you

> can wear the same socks for days with no odor!

>

> That odor is a message from your body to you. Forget the message of

> Madison Avenue advertising, that you must never smell less that sweet.

> If that odor is being suppressed, then your toxins have NO outlet!

> This guarantees a negative outcome! Be glad that odor comes out! You

> know you are cleaning out toxins. Then, when the odor stops, you will

> have personal proof you are cleaner inside than before.

>

[Guest guest]

Deb,

Don't let Jim's gizmos bother you...he's trying to become bionic...

....it's man thing. <grin>

But his post to you was wonderful. And echoed your and my private

emails...where I asked you the same question when you brought up

the same idea about body odor being a sign of leaky gut.

It IS hard to see through the fog when we're ill. We can get

very attached to our assumptions. And very confused. And very

discouraged when nothing seems to 'work'.

What I think Jim and the list is offering is a different lense

to see through...a different interpretation of the " data " . A

possible different meaning to things. A different way to put

the puzzle together.

We all " get by with a little help from our friends. " Sounds

like you have some friends here.

LoveYA!

~^^V^^~

[Guest guest]

HI Jim,

Jim Lambert wrote:

>

> Debbie,

>

> I don't know what it feels like to you, but I think we are coming up

> with a few good ideas for you in this dialog we have got going on your

> health. ly, what made me challenge you is this: whenever someone

> says they tried all the good things and none of them worked, or all of

> them caused problems, and there is no hope, etc., or any combination,

> then I automatically become skeptical of that persons

> perceptions/rationales of why nothing good helped. When one of us is

> having as much trouble establishing a productive plan as you are, I

> believe we need to put our problem on the list for further input. Isn't

> that why we're here? Not to be judgmental, but to tussle, tug & wrestle

> a problem until we find some solution. For ourself and for others.

>

> And, here is one of your misconceptions: you say you know your leaky gut

> is worse when you take cayenne because your body odor gets worse. That

> idea is simply wrong! Your body odor becoming worse is a sign toxins are

> coming out through the largest organ in your body, your 3rd kidney --

> your skin! It is proof the cayenne was working!

See my note to Vilik's response re: my views on this and why I

drew those " conclusions " ??

>

> In his booklet on colon cleansing, Dr. Jensen points out that when one

> has a toxic colon, it will create a bad odor in the armpits. If one then

> uses an antiperspirant to eliminate that odor, then the toxic smell

> comes out in the crotch. When one covers that, then it comes out in the

> feet. He says the test to see if you have an impacted, toxic colon is to

> wear the same cotton socks for 3 days. If they smell bad after three

> days, your colon is toxic! Because, if it isn't, then you can wear the

> same socks for days with no odor!

I gauge my toxicity levels by smelling my palms of my hands, it

works quite well. I am not sure why the odor in each hand differs

at any given time and the worst smell can come from one hand one

time and the other hand the next??

>

> That odor is a message from your body to you. Forget the message of

> Madison Avenue advertising, that you must never smell less that sweet.

> If that odor is being suppressed, then your toxins have NO outlet! This

> guarantees a negative outcome! Be glad that odor comes out! You know you

> are cleaning out toxins. Then, when the odor stops, you will have

> personal proof you are cleaner inside than before.

>

> Another thing you say is that you used to take CS to clean up your

> blood. You CAN'T clean up your blood. If your blood has toxins in it

> your liver and kidneys are too overloaded to filter out, then getting

> those toxins out at the source is the only way you can clean up your

> blood. The body has to do it! It is important that the mental model we

> choose to understand a problem is a vaguely accurate one. It helps

> understanding. A faulty mental model hinders understanding. Good health

> is impossible if the processes of elimination are clogged with gunk. The

> kidneys & liver cannot efficiently get rid of wastes if the colon is

> impacted & toxic. In sports we are told to " keep our eys on the ball! "

> In your case, that is your colon first.

I do understand this, I have tried colon cleansings via the

psyllium/bentonite route. I have not tried charcoal though I have

thought about it but there are warnings of some with allergic

reaction to it??

>

> Keep in mind it is in your own words you say your colon is your problem.

> You keep saying, " leaky gut, leaky gut, leaky gut. " To which my only

> answer is, " clean it out, clean it out, clean it out. " And, don't quit a

> good program over nonessential issues like body odor for a few weeks or

> months. Odor isn't dangerous. Tolerate it.

>

> You also say you have avoided colonics because they deplete minerals and

> you have poor absorption. You will never have good absorption of any

> nutrient if your colon is toxic and you are generally unhealthy.

> Cleaning out your colon & restoring its health is the best way to

> improve mineral absorption! In the meantime, colloidal minerals will

> absorb better.

I had been hoping to find a practitioner to guide me and perhaps

have IVs but I have only found some quacks so far, sent to them by

alt dentist for assessment prior to amalgam removal and they tried

to chelate me before I have the metal out of my mouth so I am not

going back to them.

>

> You said you took HCL/enzymes & had a serious pain in your gut, then

> stopped & the pain went away. Where was that pain? I assume in the

> abdomen. High, low, left, right -- where? Did you try enzymes without

> the HCL? Maybe insufficient HCl is not your problem? Maybe you have an

> incipient ulcer? Maybe you are dehydrated and your pancreas hasn't got

> enough water to make bicarbonate of soda to dilute the acid before it

> goes into the duodenum? That will make a pain bad enough to scare

> anyone, but I won't tell you where until you tell me where your pain

> was!

I certainly do that the dehydration. The pain is in the lower left

quad, about in the spot where my ovary would be if I had not had

an unnecessary hysterectomy. I could have adhesions here and

certainly do all along the incision. But, the pain was there off

and on before the surgery two and a half years ago.

>

> Try the enzymes without the HCL. And, what kind of digestive enzymes do

> you take. I wish I could remember the name of that wonderful enzyme book

> I read a year ago. DOes anyone else remember what it was? I lent it to

> someone. It described why many of the standard enzymes like oxbile,

> pineapple & other common ones don't/won't work in the human gut --

> because they activate at the wrong Ph or temperature. Good digestive

> enzymes are important to cleaning out a leaky gut. I routinely find good

> enzymes in health food stores now. I just have to take more of them than

> the more potent mail-order ones I used to get. It costs about the same.

Would the book be The Complete Book of Enzyme Therapy by Cichoke?

That is the one I have but have to reread it since I don't retain

stuff. I will go back on enzyms, I have used Enzymatic Therapy

brand. If anyone likes something else better, let me know.

>

> Now, do YOU see some of the walls you are up against? Your biggest one,

> IMO, is you manage to find reasons to stop everything that might help.

> This is not an empty criticism. In fact, it is a common,

> self-defeating, attitude when the body is sick enough, long enough.

> Confusion, depression and defeatism are part of Nature's way of

> eliminating you from the gene pool becvause you aren't healthy. It's

> natural selection in action! When in doubt, persevere!

>

> Some of the reasons you found to stop are simply misconceptions. Which

> is one of the main purposes of a list like this. I doubt there is one of

> us here who does not occasionally learn something new, or have a

> conception altered. But, that only happens when we put it out there for

> our friends to make suggestions and pick holes in ideas, because the

> human body is not too complicated for you to understand. It is too

> complicated for any of us to fully understand! But, when we put all our

> brains together on the same problem, one person knows this, and one

> person knows that, and together we might constitute enough of a mind to

> comprehend an issue or two and help each other.

>

> One of the things I would recommend to you is to stop looking at more

> esoteric issues and stick with the single most basic need you seem to

> have -- cleaning out your colon. Then your liver and kidneys. Then,

> after you have accomplished some of those, look at the other things.

> And, it would be a good idea to find an alternative practitioner in your

> area who understands the cleaning out process. It is important to have

> that personal, human involvement!

>

> So, to you and everyone else on the list who feels they are fighting a

> losing battle with a health problem, speak up! You know who you are! ;-)

> And, if you don't feel desperate, but have a question anyway, ask it!

> Quite a few people have written me privately in the last two years and

> asked, " Jim, you will tell strangers ANYTHING about yourself. Doesn't it

> ever embarrass you? " Sometimes, yes. But, I didn't let that stop me from

> finding solutions for myself.

>

> I had congestive heart failure real bad. So, I also became impotent.

> When my heart got better I was still impotent. If I had let

> embarrassment stop me, I would still be impotent. So, I asked questions,

> got answers and now that is completely behind me. In some ways I am more

> virile than when younger because my general health is better too, and

> that is reassuring to me when I think of myself as " closer to sixty than

> to fifty. " I don't have to look into a bleak future minus one of life's

> blessings. And, I am not in the least embarrassed about discussing that,

> because the discussion might bring me a question privately from another

> listmember that will help them improve the quality of their life too!

> One reason I'm so willing to start a dialog is I know that all we have

> to do on this list is ask a good question to get a lot of good minds

> helping us!

>

> And, one last thing for this post, Deb: I am not picking on you. I am

> trying to help you see through the fog! ;-)) It takes a lot of time to

> pick through posts and write involved, serious answers to people with

> serious problems. Feeling arrogant, superior or enjoying being

> judgmental are not rewarding enough for that much typing. ;-) I do not

> consider myself expert, infallible or even very knowledgeable on health

> issues. I am just curious, fairly well-read, and willing to jump in and

> help!

Again, I do thank this list for I do get great information and

now, I get more than that and I am thankful. See what you think of

my new information. Deb

[Guest guest]

Deb,

It might help to understand that sometimes, things people think are food

allergies are in fact detoxifying foods that cause a strong enough

cleansing reaction to be thought of as an allergic reaction. This can

apply to any raw fruit or vegetable.

Your major organs can only benefit from cleaning out, but moderation is

always called for in the beginning. Too much cleansing too fast can make

you feel sick. But, if you don't survive the cleansing, you weren't

going to survive long without it, either! So, you'd at least die

fighting the good fight. ;-))

When you take something that sucks up water as does psyllium you will

have to take twice as much water as someone who doesn't have a problem

with dehydration. And, any flush will also flush out good bacteria,

which can cause constipation. If you don't get results taking bacteria

orally, are you taking it on an empty stomach with water? Then, the

stomach won't drop acid & kill a lot of it off.

Also, you can do a rectal implant. When I feel a virus trying to get

hold in me I eat bacteria, drink it and take implants to put them where

they need to be -- right now! And, it does work. For convenience, I use

a fleet type 4 oz enema bottle, with filtered water at body temperature

& empty a couple of capsules of bacteria in the bottle, close, shake &

use. Even if you don't hold all of it in for very long, you will have

bacteria in part of where you need them.

As for the body odor, the answer, for a woman, is simple: use a lot of

strong perfume. Then, the worst anyone can say is " she uses a little too

much perfume " not " she stinks like dog doo. " ;-))

Then, in the future, after you have cleaned out & stopped using too much

perfume, you can always say, " I know! My sinuses were messed up for a

while and I couldn't smell. I put too many spices in my cooking then

too! " I have always believed it is not a lie if it is none of their

business. ;-)

jim

Debbie Mc wrote:

> My reason for making those conclusions with regard to leaky gut

> were due to the same increase in " odor " coming each time I would

> either cheat for a time period or if I unknowingly cheated, as in

> allergies to ? foods and I would be using no forms of treatment

> that would/should?

> I worried about my kidneys/liver and brain and all systems from

> this heavy load.

Well, off

> today to the wedding shower, which I DO NOT want to go, since I

> worry about how I will offend people with my body odor and people

> are not nice at all about it. It is some strong lesson about

> tolerance that I am learning. Thanks everyone for your insights,

> Deb

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For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is

always wrong -- H.L. Mencken

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

http://www.entrance.to/poetry

[Guest guest]

For those that feel BO MUST be kept under control, chlorophyll supplements work

well, and are good for you too.

Works even for heavy garlic users.

Chuck

If 's Law were true, whenever you tried to take a breath, all the air

would be on the other side of the room !

On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:01:29 -0500, " Eagle " <keagle@...> wrote:

>I can testify to your points on body odor. For years, I've had

>body odor problems that got alot worse when I took garlic caps. A

>friend of mine insisted that the garlic was purging my body of toxins.

>I wrongly insisted that it was just the odor of the garlic.

[Guest guest]

Debbie Mc wrote:

> My reason for making those conclusions with regard to leaky gut

> were due to the same increase in " odor " coming each time I would

> either cheat for a time period or if I unknowingly cheated, as in

> allergies to ? foods and I would be using no forms of treatment

> that would/should? be causing a detox so I then began assuming

> that the odor was the bodies inability to deal with the increase

> in poisons in my blood.

Have you tried activated charcoal?

Dick