Re: Question for CARL GRIMES: Ionic Breeze and OZONE GUARD

[Guest guest]

Does this mean " lesions resulting FROM Stachbotrys (exposure) or

lesions OF Stachybotrys fungi?

A claim of actual Stachy tissue infection would be a VERY curious

thing.

When I told my brother that I was unable to remove Stachy toxins

from various shop tools, what he " heard " was " Stachy mold can grow

right inside solid steel " , and he still insists that this is what I

claimed.

When I ask " Why would I tell YOU that mold can grow inside solid

steel at the very same time when I was writing in various groups

that decomposing nonviable spores release their low molecular weight

toxins which adsorb onto smooth structures via Van Der Waals forces

and cannot be washed off?

And he says " I don't know. You tell ME why you would say such a

stupid thing " .

Sheesh!

-

> I'm curious and I mean no disrespect. I also understand the

> seriousness of mold exposure. However, Stachybotrys is a very

finicky eater, limited to cellulose. It also has a defined

temperature and moisture range. Did your doctor explain how

Stachybotrys can grow on human tissue at 98 degrees? We need to

know this.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

> -----

> > Haley, I was exposed to Stachybotrys Mold and am very ill. I

have Granuloma lesions growing all in my body from the exposure to

Stachybotrys. If you hear me talk, you will also notice that my

voice is very raspy from the same lesions from Stachybotrys growing

on my vocal cords. Maybe your Pathologist guy needs to look at me

then maybe, just MAYBE your idea would change.( and his!) Marcie

[Guest guest]

I'd suspect that the stachy toxins could be washed off metals but that it

would take a better solvent than water or soapy water - or even alcohol, to

do it. Something like ether or acetone, perhaps? (with good, sparkless

ventilation..)

And you would need a source of mechanical scrubbing action..

I bet that ultrasound could do this quite effectively..

I am contemplating the task of cleaning two huge monitors - somehow - and

NOT looking forward to it..

The last time I tried something like this, I just gave up and tossed the

thing.. but these two are too expensive to throw away..

[Guest guest]

,

I don't know anything about this stuff, but just from my reading her email,

I would guess that Marcie's granuloma is perhaps not a 'mycoses', (i.e.

fungi growing inside the body using human flesh as its medium for growth -

such as we are not uncommon with aspergillus,etc.) but instead maybe some

kind of *scar* tissue.. from highly cytotoxic stachy toxin killing cells at

some points, in her case, many points, where it was able.. To do that, all

it needs is to reach a certain concentration.. If it makes it into the

bloodstream by inhalation, then everything the blood touches is a candidate

for stachy-induced apoptopsis, I would guess including itself...

Not unlike the UBOs in the brain that Dr. Shoemaker talks about in his book,

etc.

[Guest guest]

Carl,

The results of the lesions are from the mycotoxins from the mold. The went

into my body by inhalation and ingesting them. The toxins went systemic into my

bloodstream and the rest is sad history!!!! :-( No disrespect taken.)

Marcie

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

Does this mean " lesions resulting FROM Stachbotrys (exposure) or

lesions OF Stachybotrys fungi?

A claim of actual Stachy tissue infection would be a VERY curious

thing.

When I told my brother that I was unable to remove Stachy toxins

from various shop tools, what he " heard " was " Stachy mold can grow

right inside solid steel " , and he still insists that this is what I

claimed.

When I ask " Why would I tell YOU that mold can grow inside solid

steel at the very same time when I was writing in various groups

that decomposing nonviable spores release their low molecular weight

toxins which adsorb onto smooth structures via Van Der Waals forces

and cannot be washed off?

And he says " I don't know. You tell ME why you would say such a

stupid thing " .

Sheesh!

-

> I'm curious and I mean no disrespect. I also understand the

> seriousness of mold exposure. However, Stachybotrys is a very

finicky eater, limited to cellulose. It also has a defined

temperature and moisture range. Did your doctor explain how

Stachybotrys can grow on human tissue at 98 degrees? We need to

know this.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

> -----

> > Haley, I was exposed to Stachybotrys Mold and am very ill. I

have Granuloma lesions growing all in my body from the exposure to

Stachybotrys. If you hear me talk, you will also notice that my

voice is very raspy from the same lesions from Stachybotrys growing

on my vocal cords. Maybe your Pathologist guy needs to look at me

then maybe, just MAYBE your idea would change.( and his!) Marcie

FAIR USE NOTICE:

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the clarification, Marice. In one sense the difference is

very important but the effect on you doesn't change! I wish you the

best and hope for your recovery.

Carl

-----

> Carl,

>

> The results of the lesions are from the mycotoxins from the mold.

> The went into my body by inhalation and ingesting them. The toxins

> went systemic into my bloodstream and the rest is sad history!!!!

> :-( No disrespect taken.) Marcie

>

> erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

> Does this mean " lesions resulting FROM Stachbotrys (exposure) or

> lesions OF Stachybotrys fungi? A claim of actual Stachy tissue

> infection would be a VERY curious thing.

>

> When I told my brother that I was unable to remove Stachy toxins from

> various shop tools, what he " heard " was " Stachy mold can grow right

> inside solid steel " , and he still insists that this is what I claimed.

> When I ask " Why would I tell YOU that mold can grow inside solid steel

> at the very same time when I was writing in various groups that

> decomposing nonviable spores release their low molecular weight toxins

> which adsorb onto smooth structures via Van Der Waals forces and

> cannot be washed off? And he says " I don't know. You tell ME why you

> would say such a stupid thing " . Sheesh! -

>

>

> > I'm curious and I mean no disrespect. I also understand the

> > seriousness of mold exposure. However, Stachybotrys is a very

> finicky eater, limited to cellulose. It also has a defined

> temperature and moisture range. Did your doctor explain how

> Stachybotrys can grow on human tissue at 98 degrees? We need to know

> this. > > Carl Grimes > Healthy Habitats LLC > > ----- > > Haley, I

> was exposed to Stachybotrys Mold and am very ill. I have Granuloma

> lesions growing all in my body from the exposure to Stachybotrys. If

> you hear me talk, you will also notice that my voice is very raspy

> from the same lesions from Stachybotrys growing on my vocal cords.

> Maybe your Pathologist guy needs to look at me then maybe, just MAYBE

> your idea would change.( and his!) Marcie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks, but I'll probably disappoint you on this one. I don't have an

expert or definitive answer. What I " recall " is that Consumer Reports

commented on this and if I remember correctly the technology is true

but the effect in actual use is partial at best.

Even if it completely removed all ozone, there are two concerns:

1. Without the ozone they can only claim particle removal without any

" reduction " of chemicals or odors (and even that was debatable).

2. Particle removal based on CADR is 5-10 times less than HEPA at a

cost of 3-4 times greater. Isn't this is like paying $45,000 for a

bicycle when a $15,000 car does the job?

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> Hey, Carl. Thank God that someone as knowledgeable as yourself is

> available as a resource for us. I know that I asked you about the

> ionic breeze before and ozone. Now, they have an OZONE GUARD that

> claims to change Ozone ( O3 ) into Oxygen ( O2 ). Here is the link:

>

> http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/productdetails/sku__SI637G

> RY

>

> Do you think that this cures the concerns over Ozone generation?

>

>

>

>

> " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

> Marcie,

>

> I'm curious and I mean no disrespect. I also understand the

> seriousness of mold exposure. However, Stachybotrys is a very finicky

> eater, limited to cellulose. It also has a defined temperature and

> moisture range. Did your doctor explain how Stachybotrys can grow on

> human tissue at 98 degrees? We need to know this.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

> -----

> > Haley,

> > I was exposed to Stachybotrys Mold and am very ill. I have

> > Granuloma lesions growing all in my body from the exposure to

> > Stachybotrys. If you hear me talk, you will also notice that my

> > voice is very raspy from the same lesions from Stachybotrys

> > growing on my vocal cords. Maybe your Pathologist guy needs to

> > look at me then maybe, just MAYBE your idea would change.( and

> > his!) Marcie

> >

> > Haley <myhaze@...> wrote:

> > Thanks, . ;-)

> >

> > No one is contesting the danger of Stachy by any means...it's just

> > that as far as mycotoxins go, when he's found them in people's

> > tissues, they haven't been from Stachy - that's all. It was not a

> > position on Stachy's treachery or potential at all. It's just

> > that Stachy gets a lot of press and it's been other stuff that has

> > really been the source of mycotoxin contamination that has made

> > folks ill at least in his experience. It was a 'fun mycotoxin

> > fact,' if there is such a thing.

> >

> > Stachy bad - Danger, stay away! Beware. Keep Out. Turn

> > back.

> >

> > -Haley

> >

> >

> >

> > Christ <antares41-41@...> wrote:

> > I would never slam anyone that brings valid information to the

> > table.

> > Try to tell me it's all in my head and I might get a little pissed.

> >

> > I find that interesting. Of course you don't have to have something

> > growing in your body to cause a reaction. People react to a wide

> > range of substances none of which have to grow in our body to make

> > us react to it. There is lots of talk about mycotoxin. Their not

> > alive, or at least their not " growing inside of us " . Pollen, certain

> > insect venoms, latex gloves, peanut butter etc. None of those grow

> > inside of us but it's fact that certain people are highly allergic

> > to them. I am assuming his take is that if black mold doesn't infect

> > us it can't hurt us. I am surprised that someone with his

> > credentials would give that a whole lot of credence. Interesting if

> > true yes but hardly a reason to think that black mold is not

> > extreemly dangerous.

> >

> >

> >

> > >Don't all slam me at once for saying something unpopular, but I

> > >wanted to add this to the Stachy discussion The pathologist who is

> > >working with us on my neighbor's case (he died from Trichothecene

> > >issues) says he has ALMOST NEVER finds Stachy in his patients live

> > >or dead

> >

> >

> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Carl,

Please explain the difference to me.......I never knew that mold could hurt

anyone until now. I also have a very low Immune System and have to have IVIG's

every 4 weeks @ 54 grams of Immugoblin now. My Immune System does not seem to

respond well since I started these treatments. I have on the other hand started

the CSM and it has made a big difference right now. ( I also had the place that

gives my IVIG's to stop giving me the steroids) I have all the usual symptoms

that most people get after being exposed to mold. My exposure was 3 years. KC

has the before and after photos of me. ( unless he used them to throw darts

at....LOL!)

Please help with any other advice!!! :-)

Thanks,

Marcie

" Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

Thanks for the clarification, Marice. In one sense the difference is

very important but the effect on you doesn't change! I wish you the

best and hope for your recovery.

Carl

-----

> Carl,

>

> The results of the lesions are from the mycotoxins from the mold.

> The went into my body by inhalation and ingesting them. The toxins

> went systemic into my bloodstream and the rest is sad history!!!!

> :-( No disrespect taken.) Marcie

>

> erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

> Does this mean " lesions resulting FROM Stachbotrys (exposure) or

> lesions OF Stachybotrys fungi? A claim of actual Stachy tissue

> infection would be a VERY curious thing.

>

> When I told my brother that I was unable to remove Stachy toxins from

> various shop tools, what he " heard " was " Stachy mold can grow right

> inside solid steel " , and he still insists that this is what I claimed.

> When I ask " Why would I tell YOU that mold can grow inside solid steel

> at the very same time when I was writing in various groups that

> decomposing nonviable spores release their low molecular weight toxins

> which adsorb onto smooth structures via Van Der Waals forces and

> cannot be washed off? And he says " I don't know. You tell ME why you

> would say such a stupid thing " . Sheesh! -

>

>

> > I'm curious and I mean no disrespect. I also understand the

> > seriousness of mold exposure. However, Stachybotrys is a very

> finicky eater, limited to cellulose. It also has a defined

> temperature and moisture range. Did your doctor explain how

> Stachybotrys can grow on human tissue at 98 degrees? We need to know

> this. > > Carl Grimes > Healthy Habitats LLC > > ----- > > Haley, I

> was exposed to Stachybotrys Mold and am very ill. I have Granuloma

> lesions growing all in my body from the exposure to Stachybotrys. If

> you hear me talk, you will also notice that my voice is very raspy

> from the same lesions from Stachybotrys growing on my vocal cords.

> Maybe your Pathologist guy needs to look at me then maybe, just MAYBE

> your idea would change.( and his!) Marcie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Quack,

The granulomas are fungi that the body has formed a hard shell over and then

it calcifies to protect the body from the fungi. Let's put it this way....I did

not have this until the exposure to the mold and it is very painful.The remodel

crew was scraping the mold off the walls and sending it airborne. over 300 feet

of mold in one area. The smell alone would almost knock you out. Then I found it

growing in my office behind a very large cabinet that I kept the handcuffs and

radios in. ( that was found almost 4 weeks after the mold in the air was going

on.) My office had it's own HVAC due to the camera systems and I got mold every

day that I worked. My voice would be fine when I started my shift but near the

end of the day, I could barely talk. Since the mold went airborne, my voice has

never changed back to normal.

I gained weight first, then dropped from size 14 to a 6-8 in less than six

months.

If you think you can help figure out this problem ......let me know!

Marcie

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

,

I don't know anything about this stuff, but just from my reading her email,

I would guess that Marcie's granuloma is perhaps not a 'mycoses', (i.e.

fungi growing inside the body using human flesh as its medium for growth -

such as we are not uncommon with aspergillus,etc.) but instead maybe some

kind of *scar* tissue.. from highly cytotoxic stachy toxin killing cells at

some points, in her case, many points, where it was able.. To do that, all

it needs is to reach a certain concentration.. If it makes it into the

bloodstream by inhalation, then everything the blood touches is a candidate

for stachy-induced apoptopsis, I would guess including itself...

Not unlike the UBOs in the brain that Dr. Shoemaker talks about in his book,

etc.

[Guest guest]

" Carl E. Grimes " wrote:

> Even if it completely removed all ozone, there are two concerns:

1. Without the ozone they can only claim particle removal without

any " reduction " of chemicals or odors (and even that was debatable).

Discussions of Ozone and HEPA take me back to that " Epiphany " I had

years ago when I washed my green binoculars and took them with me to

the tallest mountain overlooking Donner Lake.

Despite vigorous washing with soap and water, they gave me a

good " hit " and I couldn't use them.

All considerations and efforts of filtering spores, remediation and

denaturing toxins in selected areas or individual objects

disappeared at that very moment.

If one single possession that couldn't possibly be throwing out a

filterable mold plume could to this to me, remaining in the vicinity

of any object or area contaminated with these same toxins was out of

the question.

I suspect that a few people in this group are approaching the level

of reactivity at which attempts to address toxin impacted areas and

possessions with HEPA filtration and remediation of items is

rendered completely moot, but they have not yet arrived at that

realization.

When the hole you are busy digging yourself into gets so deep that

the shovelfuls that are being tossed up are all falling back into

the pit, sometimes it's hard to see for all the dust you're making.

-

[Guest guest]

,

Try contacting

Kaye H. Kilburn, M.D. Phd

Ralph Edgington Professor of Medicine

USC Keck School of Medicine

2025 Zonal Avenue, CSC 201

Los Angeles, CA 90033

(213) 342-1830 or

(310) 435 4473 (Tues.)

kilburn@...

http://www.neuro-test.com/index.htm

>

> ok, all, i have a SERIOUS situation here, & i need your help.

about 2

> months ago (give or take), my doctor was admitted to a local

hospital with

> " inflammation in his brain, & at base of his brain. " he's now

unable to

> walk..... & has developed clots, etc., due to that immobility.

this

> physician worked in the same building in which MANY others were

also

> suddenly unable to walk....the place has been said to be " mold to

the hilt "

> prior to their current " renovation " attempt. (which they've been

doing for

> MANY months.)

>

> now, my uncle suddenly has " lesions of inflammation " in his brain,

& tremors

> in his legs & at least one foot. he's also unable to walk. he

did NOT work

> in the building in question, although he WAS in that particular

building

> fairly often in the past 4 weeks or so......for testing, prior to

surgery

> done at another facility. his neurologist is now saying " it may

be due to

> fungi, or molds. "

>

> can anybody here shed some light on this? please help me!

>

> THANKS,

> v.

>

> [] Re: Question for CARL GRIMES: Ionic

Breeze and

> OZONE GUARD

>

>

> > Does this mean " lesions resulting FROM Stachbotrys (exposure) or

> > lesions OF Stachybotrys fungi?

> > A claim of actual Stachy tissue infection would be a VERY curious

> > thing.

> >

> > When I told my brother that I was unable to remove Stachy toxins

> > from various shop tools, what he " heard " was " Stachy mold can

grow

> > right inside solid steel " , and he still insists that this is

what I

> > claimed.

> > When I ask " Why would I tell YOU that mold can grow inside solid

> > steel at the very same time when I was writing in various groups

> > that decomposing nonviable spores release their low molecular

weight

> > toxins which adsorb onto smooth structures via Van Der Waals

forces

> > and cannot be washed off?

> > And he says " I don't know. You tell ME why you would say such a

> > stupid thing " .

> > Sheesh!

> > -

> >

> >

> >> I'm curious and I mean no disrespect. I also understand the

> >> seriousness of mold exposure. However, Stachybotrys is a very

> > finicky eater, limited to cellulose. It also has a defined

> > temperature and moisture range. Did your doctor explain how

> > Stachybotrys can grow on human tissue at 98 degrees? We need to

> > know this.

> >>

> >> Carl Grimes

> >> Healthy Habitats LLC

> >>

> >> -----

> >> > Haley, I was exposed to Stachybotrys Mold and am very ill. I

> > have Granuloma lesions growing all in my body from the exposure

to

> > Stachybotrys. If you hear me talk, you will also notice that my

> > voice is very raspy from the same lesions from Stachybotrys

growing

> > on my vocal cords. Maybe your Pathologist guy needs to look at

me

> > then maybe, just MAYBE your idea would change.( and his!) Marcie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

THANKS, KC.

ME

[] Re: Question for CARL GRIMES: Ionic

> Breeze and

>> OZONE GUARD

>>

>>

>> > Does this mean " lesions resulting FROM Stachbotrys (exposure) or

>> > lesions OF Stachybotrys fungi?

>> > A claim of actual Stachy tissue infection would be a VERY curious

>> > thing.

>> >

>> > When I told my brother that I was unable to remove Stachy toxins

>> > from various shop tools, what he " heard " was " Stachy mold can

> grow

>> > right inside solid steel " , and he still insists that this is

> what I

>> > claimed.

>> > When I ask " Why would I tell YOU that mold can grow inside solid

>> > steel at the very same time when I was writing in various groups

>> > that decomposing nonviable spores release their low molecular

> weight

>> > toxins which adsorb onto smooth structures via Van Der Waals

> forces

>> > and cannot be washed off?

>> > And he says " I don't know. You tell ME why you would say such a

>> > stupid thing " .

>> > Sheesh!

>> > -

>> >

>> >

>> >> I'm curious and I mean no disrespect. I also understand the

>> >> seriousness of mold exposure. However, Stachybotrys is a very

>> > finicky eater, limited to cellulose. It also has a defined

>> > temperature and moisture range. Did your doctor explain how

>> > Stachybotrys can grow on human tissue at 98 degrees? We need to

>> > know this.

>> >>

>> >> Carl Grimes

>> >> Healthy Habitats LLC

>> >>

>> >> -----

>> >> > Haley, I was exposed to Stachybotrys Mold and am very ill. I

>> > have Granuloma lesions growing all in my body from the exposure

> to

>> > Stachybotrys. If you hear me talk, you will also notice that my

>> > voice is very raspy from the same lesions from Stachybotrys

> growing

>> > on my vocal cords. Maybe your Pathologist guy needs to look at

> me

>> > then maybe, just MAYBE your idea would change.( and his!) Marcie

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

,

Please understand that I am in NO WAY a doctor and your uncle NEEDS good

medical treatment..

But there are ALSO some nutrients like acetyl-l-carnitine,

n-acetyl-cysteine, piracetam, idebenone, alpha-lipoic acid, and maybe a few

others (like high DHA fish oil!!) that very might help him, if used *in

addition to* his medical treatment. Many doctors know this but many other

doctors also have never heard of most of them..

These nutrients have, to my best knowledge, no known negative effects, ever,

and many known positive effects and they might also be described as

'neuroprotective'. Look them up on PubMed and see if they might be worth

suggesting..

Especially - MAKE SURE that your uncle is seeing a good neurologist...

[Guest guest]

I keep seeing my name in the subject line and am wondering if the

subject has changed or if I still owe someone an answer?

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

[Guest guest]

This happens to me when I walk in certin buildings like the Court house I have

to go into next month in Broward I wonder what is that Toxin and I must keep my

court date nor do I have and Attorney that I know about?

Elvira

[] Re: Question for CARL GRIMES: Ionic

Breeze and

> OZONE GUARD

>

>

> > Does this mean " lesions resulting FROM Stachbotrys (exposure) or

> > lesions OF Stachybotrys fungi?

> > A claim of actual Stachy tissue infection would be a VERY curious

> > thing.

> >

> > When I told my brother that I was unable to remove Stachy toxins

> > from various shop tools, what he " heard " was " Stachy mold can

grow

> > right inside solid steel " , and he still insists that this is

what I

> > claimed.

> > When I ask " Why would I tell YOU that mold can grow inside solid

> > steel at the very same time when I was writing in various groups

> > that decomposing nonviable spores release their low molecular

weight

> > toxins which adsorb onto smooth structures via Van Der Waals

forces

> > and cannot be washed off?

> > And he says " I don't know. You tell ME why you would say such a

> > stupid thing " .

> > Sheesh!

> > -

> >

> >

> >> I'm curious and I mean no disrespect. I also understand the

> >> seriousness of mold exposure. However, Stachybotrys is a very

> > finicky eater, limited to cellulose. It also has a defined

> > temperature and moisture range. Did your doctor explain how

> > Stachybotrys can grow on human tissue at 98 degrees? We need to

> > know this.

> >>

> >> Carl Grimes

> >> Healthy Habitats LLC

> >>

> >> -----

> >> > Haley, I was exposed to Stachybotrys Mold and am very ill. I

> > have Granuloma lesions growing all in my body from the exposure

to

> > Stachybotrys. If you hear me talk, you will also notice that my

> > voice is very raspy from the same lesions from Stachybotrys

growing

> > on my vocal cords. Maybe your Pathologist guy needs to look at

me

> > then maybe, just MAYBE your idea would change.( and his!) Marcie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I may be dipping in the middle of something here but from what I have read,

Marcie are you saying you have un explained sores on your body? have you ever

used a microscope and seen or pulled out fiber like pieces wraped around pieces

of skin or dried blood? How long have you had them? and are they usually black,

red, and white (clear)??? I ask this because this is my situation. I have had

thes sores since August. I had High levels of bolth Stacky and

Aspergillus/Penicillium so I cannot decifer which would be the cause but read

something today that sounds like A Stacky poision and something in a post or two

ago???? I don't know. I am curious about these things though?

Chris...

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

Quack,

The granulomas are fungi that the body has formed a hard shell over and then

it calcifies to protect the body from the fungi. Let's put it this way....I did

not have this until the exposure to the mold and it is very painful.The remodel

crew was scraping the mold off the walls and sending it airborne. over 300 feet

of mold in one area. The smell alone would almost knock you out. Then I found it

growing in my office behind a very large cabinet that I kept the handcuffs and

radios in. ( that was found almost 4 weeks after the mold in the air was going

on.) My office had it's own HVAC due to the camera systems and I got mold every

day that I worked. My voice would be fine when I started my shift but near the

end of the day, I could barely talk. Since the mold went airborne, my voice has

never changed back to normal.

I gained weight first, then dropped from size 14 to a 6-8 in less than six

months.

If you think you can help figure out this problem ......let me know!

Marcie

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

,

I don't know anything about this stuff, but just from my reading her email,

I would guess that Marcie's granuloma is perhaps not a 'mycoses', (i.e.

fungi growing inside the body using human flesh as its medium for growth -

such as we are not uncommon with aspergillus,etc.) but instead maybe some

kind of *scar* tissue.. from highly cytotoxic stachy toxin killing cells at

some points, in her case, many points, where it was able.. To do that, all

it needs is to reach a certain concentration.. If it makes it into the

bloodstream by inhalation, then everything the blood touches is a candidate

for stachy-induced apoptopsis, I would guess including itself...

Not unlike the UBOs in the brain that Dr. Shoemaker talks about in his book,

etc.

[Guest guest]

NOPE, MY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED, CARL, TY.

V.

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OZONE GUARD

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> I keep seeing my name in the subject line and am wondering if the

> subject has changed or if I still owe someone an answer?

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> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

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[Guest guest]

thanks, & i've already forwarded this message to my aunt (my uncle's wife.)

i've also forwarded it to my doctor, who is in the same predicament!! THIS

IS UNBELIEVABLE, & INEXCUSABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THANKS!

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Re: [] Re: Question for CARL GRIMES: Ionic Breeze and

OZONE GUARD

> ,

>

> Please understand that I am in NO WAY a doctor and your uncle NEEDS good

> medical treatment..

>

> But there are ALSO some nutrients like acetyl-l-carnitine,

> n-acetyl-cysteine, piracetam, idebenone, alpha-lipoic acid, and maybe a

> few

> others (like high DHA fish oil!!) that very might help him, if used *in

> addition to* his medical treatment. Many doctors know this but many other

> doctors also have never heard of most of them..

>

> These nutrients have, to my best knowledge, no known negative effects,

> ever,

> and many known positive effects and they might also be described as

> 'neuroprotective'. Look them up on PubMed and see if they might be worth

> suggesting..

>

> Especially - MAKE SURE that your uncle is seeing a good neurologist...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Most of the Granulomas I talked about are inside my body. It is odd that you

bring up sores on the outer part of my body. Yes, I do have them since the mold

exposure and not sure why. I did get some mold on my face while taking the

samples off the wall. They come and go and start as a lump under the skin and

then get to where they are open sores. They take a long time to heal. Not sure

about fibers....have not looked at them that close. I did try to stick one lump

on neck with a needle and got a staph infection right away and had to go to the

doctors office. Showed the nurse and they got be back right away with no appt. I

am as confused as you are...if you find out anything let me know and I will do

the same.

Thanks,

Marcie

Tazin Round <unitedstatesvet@...> wrote:

I may be dipping in the middle of something here but from what I have read,

Marcie are you saying you have un explained sores on your body? have you ever

used a microscope and seen or pulled out fiber like pieces wraped around pieces

of skin or dried blood? How long have you had them? and are they usually black,

red, and white (clear)??? I ask this because this is my situation. I have had

thes sores since August. I had High levels of bolth Stacky and

Aspergillus/Penicillium so I cannot decifer which would be the cause but read

something today that sounds like A Stacky poision and something in a post or two

ago???? I don't know. I am curious about these things though?

Chris...

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

Quack,

The granulomas are fungi that the body has formed a hard shell over and then

it calcifies to protect the body from the fungi. Let's put it this way....I did

not have this until the exposure to the mold and it is very painful.The remodel

crew was scraping the mold off the walls and sending it airborne. over 300 feet

of mold in one area. The smell alone would almost knock you out. Then I found it

growing in my office behind a very large cabinet that I kept the handcuffs and

radios in. ( that was found almost 4 weeks after the mold in the air was going

on.) My office had it's own HVAC due to the camera systems and I got mold every

day that I worked. My voice would be fine when I started my shift but near the

end of the day, I could barely talk. Since the mold went airborne, my voice has

never changed back to normal.

I gained weight first, then dropped from size 14 to a 6-8 in less than six

months.

If you think you can help figure out this problem ......let me know!

Marcie

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

,

I don't know anything about this stuff, but just from my reading her email,

I would guess that Marcie's granuloma is perhaps not a 'mycoses', (i.e.

fungi growing inside the body using human flesh as its medium for growth -

such as we are not uncommon with aspergillus,etc.) but instead maybe some

kind of *scar* tissue.. from highly cytotoxic stachy toxin killing cells at

some points, in her case, many points, where it was able.. To do that, all

it needs is to reach a certain concentration.. If it makes it into the

bloodstream by inhalation, then everything the blood touches is a candidate

for stachy-induced apoptopsis, I would guess including itself...

Not unlike the UBOs in the brain that Dr. Shoemaker talks about in his book,

etc.

[Guest guest]

> ,

Please understand that I am in NO WAY a doctor and your uncle NEEDS

good medical treatment.. But there are ALSO some nutrients like

acetyl-l-carnitine, n-acetyl-cysteine, piracetam, idebenone, alpha-

lipoic acid, and maybe a few others (like high DHA fish oil!!) that

very might help him, if used *in addition to* his medical treatment.

Many doctors know this but many other doctors also have never heard

of most of them..

>

This is terrific stuff. But in all the years that I've seen people

try them, the desire to escape mold illness with a " magic bullet "

tends to place great hopeful emphasis on an approach that has given

somewhat less than spectacular results in the past.

Just like the perpetual experiments with charcoal and bentonite that

seem " Almost guaranteed to have a beneficial effect " yet never quite

seem to come through, we see people going through all the same

motions and reproducing the experience as those of us who went

through this during the CFS epidemic - by taking the exact same

supplements and vitamins that " might help " but somehow seemed to do

very little in actual practice.

How can anyone possible argue against recommending something

that " might help " . Especially when people are looking for any ray of

hope?

Just pointing out that you've seen it all before causes people to

ask " Why are you trying to stop such good recommmendations? "

I'm not arguing against them, if one can afford it, why not?

If they really helped someone somewhere, GREAT!

Just haven't seen it - yet.

Looking forward to that happy day!

I wish I had stock in the supplement companies though.

Endless new customers all doing it over and over again.

And no end in sight, especially for the profits.

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