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I've noticed with , that academically he was incredibly gifted up till

about 6 months ago when the ocd took on a life of its own.

Now he's reluctant to do any schoolwork, homework is really hard going, and I

found out that there are constant struggles with his teacher in class as he

won't get motivated to do his work. She is totally unhelpful. Even though

we levelled with her about his behavior problems and the cbt, she shrugs them

off and even has stand up fights with him in class. No wonder he's angry

when he gets home and the ocd is in full force.

Anyway we managed to get him accelerated to 4th grade in September (he's now

in 2nd) because we felt he wasn't being challenged enough and like I say,

he's incredibly gifted. But now I'm beginning to have second thoughts. The

ocd has taken away any giftedness he had, and academically, he can't be

bothered to do anything. It's like his brain is just too " frazzled " to think

straight.

Any advice???????

B.

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Hi :

What fantastic news. It seems like your plans are falling into place. I

know I am always going on about the necessity to do CBT, it's just that it

has been so much more helpful than meds for Steve's OCD.

Tom is doing very well, especially I notice his increased ability to resist

women is higher than it was in LA!!! SOrry for kidding, but an attractive

young man like him had better learn sooner than later to resist some of the

many opportunities that fall in his lap. What impulse control!! His

DSM-IV diagnoses need revising!

Thanks for the update, good luck to everyone, take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

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At 08:30 PM 5/28/99 EDT, you wrote:

>From: " W. Birk " <wb4@...>

>

>A lot has happened this week and I thought that I'd update those that are

>interested.

>

> I spent last weekend re-inforcing with Tom how to recognize his anxiety

>and how to remove himself from anxious situations. Ultemitly, he is in

>control, and it time that he recognized that. Well, he's had a terrific

>week - no confrontations with staff - at all!! (though one young women was

>really angry that he wouldn't go out with her!).

>

> We were at court, again! charges are postponed to June 22. He has an

>interview for a program with the Society next week. He is on a

>waiting list for individual counselling at another branch of my agency.

>

> I contacted a psychologist that Tom saw 3 years ago before he became

>depressed. I didnt know until last week that he was doing the exact kind of

>cbt that we have been looking for and asked if he would take us on as a

>family through the another hospital, and not private practice. He said of

>course, if its approved! I sent another email to the head of psychiatry at

>the hospital where the kids are being treated requesting confirmation that

>his hospital does not supply the right kind of cbt. He made a referal to

>that same psychologist and I never mentioned the name!!! I am delighted, I

>wont have to start at the beginning!!!!

>

> We finally, 3 months later, have a case manager from childrens services.

>She was in some of my classes in university - at least I know that she has

>the potential to do good social worker for us.

>

> So, things seem to be finally on track around here!! Now, if only I could

>figure out what is not 'just right' about Ziv, and help her fall asleep

>before midnight, we'll be terrific!

>

> Take care all,

>

>wendy in canada

>

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I'm glad things are going better with Tom. About Ziv and sleeping, how

about that bedtime tape I mentioned earlier? It's really a relaxing tape

and even I love listening to the wonderfully evocative visualizations about

sleeping in a tree house, farm house, on an island, etc. Isn't she about

10? Perhaps not too old for it.

Take care,

in S.D.

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>Hi Kathy,

I read with interest your post about emotional immaturity and developmental

delays associated with untreated OCD. The last two years, I've definitely

felt Kelsey was less mature and more emotional than her same age peers and

wondered about this. What else can you tell me? Why would this be related

to OCD? And does this mean that she might start to catch up after her OCD

is fully treated?

Take care,

in San Diego

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I've had the same problem with doing his work, and he

is homebound. I've found if I sit with him the entire time he's

working and promise lots of breaks, then he can function a little

better. Your description was perfect; the brain seems " frazzled " .

He can work in short spurts only.

If I find a more helpful solution, I'll let you know.

Take care,

mary

BULLERCO@... wrote:

> From: BULLERCO@...

>

> Hi!

>

> I've noticed with , that academically he was incredibly gifted up till

> about 6 months ago when the ocd took on a life of its own.

>

> Now he's reluctant to do any schoolwork, homework is really hard going, and I

> found out that there are constant struggles with his teacher in class as he

> won't get motivated to do his work. She is totally unhelpful. Even though

> we levelled with her about his behavior problems and the cbt, she shrugs them

> off and even has stand up fights with him in class. No wonder he's angry

> when he gets home and the ocd is in full force.

>

> Anyway we managed to get him accelerated to 4th grade in September (he's now

> in 2nd) because we felt he wasn't being challenged enough and like I say,

> he's incredibly gifted. But now I'm beginning to have second thoughts. The

> ocd has taken away any giftedness he had, and academically, he can't be

> bothered to do anything. It's like his brain is just too " frazzled " to think

> straight.

>

> Any advice???????

>

> B.

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BULLERCO@... wrote:

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> From: BULLERCO@...

>

> Hi!

>

> I've noticed with , that academically he was incredibly gifted up till

> about 6 months ago when the ocd took on a life of its own.

>

> Now he's reluctant to do any schoolwork, homework is really hard going, and I

> found out that there are constant struggles with his teacher in class as he

> won't get motivated to do his work. She is totally unhelpful. Even though

> we levelled with her about his behavior problems and the cbt, she shrugs them

> off and even has stand up fights with him in class. No wonder he's angry

> when he gets home and the ocd is in full force.

>

> Anyway we managed to get him accelerated to 4th grade in September (he's now

> in 2nd) because we felt he wasn't being challenged enough and like I say,

> he's incredibly gifted. But now I'm beginning to have second thoughts. The

> ocd has taken away any giftedness he had, and academically, he can't be

> bothered to do anything. It's like his brain is just too " frazzled " to think

> straight.

>

> Any advice???????

>

> B.

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Everyone

Question--- Do you think that OCD and Depression may go hand in hand

with being very bright? is also a very bright child, out of 102

students in her class she is in the top 2! In talking to different

doctors, of course I get all kinds of answers. For the most part they

usually agree with that statement.

Just to update you I took to the doctor on Wednesday, they were so

impressed with her change, she talked within 5 minutes of being there

and after 15 minutes she sat in her own chair, she even sang a song that

her class had to sing for thier spring concert on Thursday.

even told Ellen {the dr} about how she has been feeling and the 2

nights before she couldn't sleep. She even asked that she be put back

on 10mg. of Prozac instead of the 20mg.

She rambled on for the whole hour, I just sat back in amazement and so

did Ellen.

Now that she is back on the 10mg. she is almost back to where she was

when they put her on it 3 weeks ago.

She is getting along so much better with her sister, and her father. We

no longer have the fight every morning about going to school and the

fight at night to go to bed.

Before got on the meds. it was just like everyone has said, Like

someone stole my child and replaced her with another child who was

always mad and angry.. I am just so happy to have my child back for

now. I am an optimist though and am waiting for her body to get pooped

out on the prozac then we will be right back where we started.

, I really think that you are right, these poor kids brains are so

frazzled, because they have to work harder at things to stay afloat {at

least they feel they do}!!

This Memorial Day weekend so far has started off on the " boring " note,

says it is so hot and that she is bored. We are trying to deal

with it one moment at a time.

On Monday both of my daughters will be in the Memorial Day Parade,

marching with the Girl Scouts, along with thier father who will be

marching with the Fire Department.

The Girls can't wait.

Question; Do other kids with OCD and Depression love to get up and do

things in front of audiences, like sing {chorus} or do Public Speaking.

Mine Love it, almost thrive on it.

OOPS didn't mean to write so much, just had a lot to get off my chest.

Thanks everybody for listening. Have a WONDERFUL and SAFE Holiday

weekend!!!

Cheryl

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Hi Chris:

Since I am not a mental health professional I cannot really say how this

works. All I can say is that I have read about untreated OCD interfering

with development and functioning in several OCD books. Also in speaking to

the couple of OCD parents I know in my area, their daughters all seemed to

develop OCD around 13 or so and now they are in their early twenties, the

parents feel that they are still emotionally about 13 years old. One has

never been treated for her OCD and the other has only taken Anafranil and

has had to return to live at home after three seperate attempts to live

independently. Sorry not very scientific, just anecdotal stuff. Perhaps

you should ask about this on the OCD-L.

This has been one of our major concerns for our son, Steve. He showed a

lot of regression sometimes seeming about six and other times his doc and

therapist would tell me he was behaving around three years old. What I

have noticed is that he seemed to lose quite a bit of the social skills he

was developing. These ages tie in with events which may have triggered his

PTSD and possibly OCD. Now he is doing a lot better with his OCD, he seems

to be acting much more like the 12-year-old he is chronologically. It is

my greatest hope that will skilled therapy and continued improvement of his

OCD, he can catch up with more normal developmental milestones.

Take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

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At 07:37 PM 5/28/99 -0700, you wrote:

>From: Roman <ChrisRoman@...>

>

>>Hi Kathy,

>

>I read with interest your post about emotional immaturity and developmental

>delays associated with untreated OCD. The last two years, I've definitely

>felt Kelsey was less mature and more emotional than her same age peers and

>wondered about this. What else can you tell me? Why would this be related

>to OCD? And does this mean that she might start to catch up after her OCD

>is fully treated?

>

>Take care,

>

>in San Diego

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Hi :

This situation reminds me somewhat of what happened to my son Steve. He

has been in GT since third grade and I worried about his being able to

manage when his OCD was really bad. He was unable to go to school for a

couple of months and I worried about how he would do.

He went through major adjustments returning to school and the teachers

generally gave him the benefit of the doubt as they had had him in their

classes for almost three years. He really struggled to do his work, was

re-reading and re-writing, papers were contaminated and not handed in for

grades, etc. etc. We put him on the dog tag system, and tried to explain

things to his teacher. I asked his psychiatrist if he should be taken out

of GT classes and just put in regular classes to reduce stress. He told me

this should be Steve's decision. Steve did not want to drop out of GT. I

worried about this a lot.

Please know that ' giftedness is still there, it is just buried under

his OCD for now. As his OCD improves, his giftedness will re-emerge

clearly. At first Steve was not doing very well at school, it has taken

over 18 months of concerted effort and meds and therapy, but now he is back

to straight A's.

It is very hard that you have to deal with a teacher who is not

understanding. Do you think it might be possible to find another teacher

who could be more supportive to ? What we found was that we had to

focus on Steve's recovery from OCD first and not worry about his schoolwork

much. Success was measured by his being able to get through a whole day of

school without major stress. Once the OCD got under more control, the

school work situation improved vastly.

Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy

At 10:44 PM 5/28/99 EDT, you wrote:

>From: BULLERCO@...

>

>Hi!

>

>I've noticed with , that academically he was incredibly gifted up till

>about 6 months ago when the ocd took on a life of its own.

>

>Now he's reluctant to do any schoolwork, homework is really hard going,

and I

>found out that there are constant struggles with his teacher in class as he

>won't get motivated to do his work. She is totally unhelpful. Even though

>we levelled with her about his behavior problems and the cbt, she shrugs

them

>off and even has stand up fights with him in class. No wonder he's angry

>when he gets home and the ocd is in full force.

>

>Anyway we managed to get him accelerated to 4th grade in September (he's now

>in 2nd) because we felt he wasn't being challenged enough and like I say,

>he's incredibly gifted. But now I'm beginning to have second thoughts. The

>ocd has taken away any giftedness he had, and academically, he can't be

>bothered to do anything. It's like his brain is just too " frazzled " to

think

>straight.

>

>Any advice???????

>

> B.

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