Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 > naturally occuring dopamine from velvet bean > or macuna extracts? > I noticed once that fava beans affected me chemically. I thought I was getting an adrenal surge, but later I found out about the dopamine in them, so I don't know. I'm not familiar with velvet beans. What would the dopamine in the beans do? Could one get an overdose if you ate too many servings of beans? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 In a message dated 7/7/00 9:43:46 AM EST, jlambert@... writes: << but later I found out about the dopamine in > them, so I don't know. I'm not familiar with velvet beans. >> DOES RAW YOUNG THAI COCONUTS CONTAIN SIGNIFICANT DOPAMINE. I DO NOTICE A RUSH OF ENERGY AFTER EATING A WHOLE THAI COCONUT AND GOING FOR A WORK-OUT WITH WEIGHTS OR RUNNING OR YOGA. Any insights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 , I take deprenyl by prescription, which makes the brain release dopamine. I took too much once and had a dopamine overdose. It is not pleasant for you or those around you, but it amounts to this: It sort of speeds you up, makes you think & talk fast, and makes you impatient, bordering on hostile. For up to 3 days. I doubt beans could supply that much dopamine. But, as soon as you started arguing with those close to you, you'd know you have had enough beans. But, then, do people really want to be near you after you've eaten that many beans anyway? ;-)) For anyone who has ever done cocaine, speed, etc., it was mainly the dopamine they were taking it for, as those kinds of drugs cause a dopamine dump. So, overdosing on dopamine is sort of like the intensely clear mind part of a 3-day coke run, without the unpleasant physical junk that goes with them. I have said this to a few go-fast aficionados and they always say they want to try it. But, I never tell them how to get any deprenyl, because substance abusers can really do themselves damage messing with their substantia niger, the destruction of whose cells causes Parkinson's. jim jackson wrote: > > > naturally occuring dopamine from velvet bean > > or macuna extracts? > > > > I noticed once that fava beans affected me chemically. I thought I was > getting an adrenal surge, but later I found out about the dopamine in > them, so I don't know. I'm not familiar with velvet beans. What would > the dopamine in the beans do? Could one get an overdose if you ate too > many servings of beans? > J. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FREE Credit Report at ConsumerInfo.Com! > 1/5786/6/_/507288/_/962961777/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. -- Rehab is for quitters! -- anony - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 Hi , I get a great deal of energy from a banana, but with the beans it feels more like adrenalin being released or something hormonal. I don't really know what unusual chemicals might be in coconut, but I don't think dopamine is in many foods--maybe only certain beans. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 L-dopa, at low doses, is used for cognitive enhancement, rejuvenation and life extension, growth hormone release, as a stimulant, for weight loss, and also as a potent aphrodisiac (ref: " Better Sex Through Chemistry, " by Morgenthaler and Dan Joy, 1994). However, at the required higher doses : " L-DOPA treatment [of Parkinson's is] only symptomatic " While L-DOPA is the best available remedy to ease the lives of Parkinson patients, it is not even near a cure. Treatment that aims to increase dopamine levels turns out not stop the further deterioration of dopaminergic cells, and hence does not work well in the long term. Long term use of L-DOPA frequently results in fading of the therapeutic effect and the development of serious side-effects, such as further motor impairment and psychiatric complications. Furthermore, while the lack of dopamine causes most of the Parkinson symptoms, PD patients also suffer a loss of noradrenergic and serotonergic neurons, which attributes to the disease as well. " ( extracted from: http://tcw2.ppsw.rug.nl/~vdbosch/pd.html The Dopamine Theory of Parkinson's Disease P.M. van den Bosch ) -------------------------------------------------------------------- the following is extracted from: http://www.mothernature.com/library/books/thegreenpharmacy/default.asp http://www.mothernature.com/library/books/thegreenpharmacy/parkinsons _disease.asp Green Pharmacy for Parkinson's Disease FAVA BEAN (Vicia faba). These beans are one of Nature's best plant sources of a compound called L-dopa, the natural precursor of dopamine in the brain. In Parkinson's, an imbalance develops in the brain between two chemicals, dopamine and acetylcholine, usually due to degeneration of the cells that produce dopamine. If your brain makes less dopamine, taking L-dopa can help things along. L-dopa is a standard therapy for Parkinson's. The trouble with L-dopa is that as a pharmaceutical it's very expensive, and lots of people with Parkinson's can't afford it. But fava beans are cheap. According to my calculations, it takes about a 16-ounce can of fava beans to get enough L-dopa to have a physiological effect on Parkinson's. At my supermarket, a 16-ounce can costs $1.15. Try buying pharmaceutical L-dopa for anywhere near that. Even more intriguing, the latest news is that fava bean sprouts contain ten times more L-dopa than the unsprouted beans. That reduces the cost of a physiological dose to just over 10 cents -- the cost of a handful of sprouts. Even though I've discussed the potential of fava beans with dozens of people over the last five years, I know of no one with Parkinson's disease who has taken the food approach seriously. If you'd like to add fava beans to your diet, it's vitally important that you let your doctor know that you are doing so, and why. (It might help to take along a copy of this book.) Most cases of Parkinson's get off to a slow, mild start, and doctors don't usually prescribe L-dopa until the disease is more advanced. I suspect that eating more fava beans at this early stage would be really helpful. If you are already taking L-dopa, however, do not start eating these beans unless you discuss it with your doctor. In addition to L-dopa, fava beans (and other legumes) also contain choline and lecithin. Some research suggests that these compounds might have positive effects in preventing Parkinson's or might help relieve some of its symptoms. Fava beans are also high in fiber, which helps prevent constipation, a common problem in Parkinson's. But as I mentioned, to get a physiologically meaningful dose of L-dopa from fava beans, you have to eat a pound of them (or about two ounces of sprouts). If you do decide to go with the beans, you have to deal with their notorious problem -- gas. For some people, beans get easier to handle intestinally as you eat more of them. In preparation for the CBS morning show, I ate a 16-ounce can of fava beans one day at lunch. Within two hours, the expected side effect ensued. The next day, I ate a second can. Again I became gassy, but not until four hours later. By the third can, on day three, my gut seemed to have adjusted, and gas wasn't much of a problem. So, bean eaters, there is hope. And if your gut doesn't adjust, you can try Beano, an over-the-counter product that helps reduce flatulence from beans. It's available at most drugstores; just follow the directions on the label. VELVET BEAN (Mucuna, various species). Like fava beans, velvet beans contain a generous amount of L-dopa, around 50,000 parts per million. But unlike fava beans, velvet beans have actually been used in clinical trials to treat Parkinson's. The study with velvet beans was done by researchers at Southern Illinois University School of Medicine in Springfield under the leadership of B.V. Manyam, M.D. The researchers used a velvet bean preparation called HP-0, which is derived from the inner part of the bean. The HP-0 was standardized so that each gram of the preparation contained 33.33 milligrams of L-dopa. From the trials, researchers concluded that their bean preparation was effective. Unfortunately, as far as I know, this preparation is still proprietary and experimental, so it's not available. But plain old velvet beans are. Like fava beans, they are high in fiber. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 J. wrote: > I noticed once that fava beans affected me chemically. > I thought I was getting an adrenal surge, but later I > found out about the dopamine in them, so I don't know. Fava beans contain L-dopa which is the precursor to dopamine, norepinephrine, and epinephrine (in that order). Epinephrine is another name for adrenalin -- however, the L-dopa in fava beans probably produces some adrenalin directly inside the brain, rather than (or, in addition to), adrenalin from the adrenals. That's why anti-oxidants (such as pycnogenol) capable of crossing the blood-brain barrier should be taken with L-dopa or fava beans. Bill .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 i would guess that you are experiencing the benefits of MCT ...medium chain triglycerides .... although they are fat, they burn as fast as glucose, but have twice the energy value (9calories per gram of fat versus 4 calories per gram glucose)... MCT is used in sports performance products designed for marathon type sports..... soccer, water polo, etc. jd Re: Dopamine in Beans In a message dated 7/7/00 9:43:46 AM EST, jlambert@... writes: << but later I found out about the dopamine in > them, so I don't know. I'm not familiar with velvet beans. >> DOES RAW YOUNG THAI COCONUTS CONTAIN SIGNIFICANT DOPAMINE. I DO NOTICE A RUSH OF ENERGY AFTER EATING A WHOLE THAI COCONUT AND GOING FOR A WORK-OUT WITH WEIGHTS OR RUNNING OR YOGA. Any insights? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 A> >I noticed once that fava beans affected me chemically. I thought I was >getting an adrenal surge, but later I found out about the dopamine in >them, so I don't know. I'm not familiar with velvet beans. What would >the dopamine in the beans do? Could one get an overdose if you ate too >many servings of beans? > J. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I took a supplement called Dopabean, which was supposed to supply dopamine, as an experiment. I only took it twice, because every time I took it it knocked me totally out. Guess I don't need dopamine.... ~^^V^^~ > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FREE Credit Report at ConsumerInfo.Com! >1/5786/6/_/507288/_/962961777/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - >DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 Bill, I forget the discussion, because I didn't follow it from lack of interest. But, L-dopa has bad side effect problems that tend to exist with many dopaminergic enhancers, with the notable exception of bromocriptine. It is a neurohormone regulator for several important hormones, especially dopamine. To take any dopaminergic enhancer safely, one must also take bromocriptine to keep from overdosing. jim Bill Kingsbury wrote: > > L-dopa, at low doses, is used for cognitive enhancement, rejuvenation > and life extension, growth hormone release, as a stimulant, for > weight loss, and also as a potent aphrodisiac (ref: " Better Sex > Through Chemistry, " by Morgenthaler and Dan Joy, 1994). > > However, at the required higher doses : > > " L-DOPA treatment [of Parkinson's is] only symptomatic > -- Rehab is for quitters! -- anony - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 is bromocriptine the generic name for Parlodel? if it is.... it has some side effects of its own... like nausea. jd Re: Dopamine in Beans Bill, I forget the discussion, because I didn't follow it from lack of interest. But, L-dopa has bad side effect problems that tend to exist with many dopaminergic enhancers, with the notable exception of bromocriptine. It is a neurohormone regulator for several important hormones, especially dopamine. To take any dopaminergic enhancer safely, one must also take bromocriptine to keep from overdosing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2000 Report Share Posted July 8, 2000 jd,, Yes, it's parlodel and nausea could be a side effect IF YOU EXPERIENCE IT. I have had no such effect. And, since the dose I take & recommend is so small, 1.25 mg, compared to any dose that has been tested, the liklihood of such an effect is unlikely. Basically, if you aren't allergic to parlodel, you can tolerate it, and even if you have a reaction, they tend to disappear in a matter of days. jim jdklein wrote: > > is bromocriptine the generic name for Parlodel? if it is.... it has some side effects of its own... like nausea. > -- Rehab is for quitters! -- anony - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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