Re: ECS/AB Control

[Guest guest]

I didn't see AB Control listed on the CMR list. Does that mean not

good? This is getting so old............The use something called

Shockwave also with the s 4020.

Rhonda

--- In , " Rhonda " <rhondaleokitty@h...>

wrote:

>

> I called ECS that is on the IAQACIE list and they charge $800 for

> testing. Think I will have to forget about testing. ECS doesn't

> remediate but contracts thru AB Control. The REMOVE the mold and

used

> Hepa ......remove spores and use a biocide called 4020 and

some

> other liquid that goes on walls and dirt. $2500. ECS said also

that

> spraying with anabec will not work! Think I get that now for sure

and I

> wan't the nasty mess removed! Now, got to see if AB Control is on

the

> IAQACMR list. Anyone heard of AB Control in Cary, NC. Will I and

> animals be safe to stay indoors? Seems Servpro which I was told

not

> to use said they work in a controlled enviroment with blowers and

> sucking and can't remember just what he said. Going to call AB

Control

> and ask questions. Still going with Reg. Wat. for waterproofing.

Have

> to do that and my inside centerblocks are cracking!

>

> Rhonda

>

[Guest guest]

Ha ha, just found out I had already called AB Control so got referred

to them twice both by SM & E industrial hygenist and ECS. Going to let

him come and do an assessment. They do cleaning under containment

sucking air out and and sealing vents. The remove abestos also. I

think they will be ok. Said don't need anabec after what he's going

to do. Will take two days. Lining all this up is a job and getting a

loan here on time. Have to have $$ for waterproofing Wed. And $$$

for HVAC also. I think I will have more of peace of mind removing

but hope I'm choosing a company that does it right!!! I'm

hyperventilating a lot lately. I hope my car keeps running for 5

more years b/c it's a 1999 and I can't afford a car payment.

Nothing back from the attorney. Gonna call him right now.

Rhonda

> >

> > I called ECS that is on the IAQACIE list and they charge $800 for

> > testing. Think I will have to forget about testing. ECS doesn't

> > remediate but contracts thru AB Control. The REMOVE the mold and

> used

> > Hepa ......remove spores and use a biocide called 4020 and

> some

> > other liquid that goes on walls and dirt. $2500. ECS said also

> that

> > spraying with anabec will not work! Think I get that now for sure

> and I

> > wan't the nasty mess removed! Now, got to see if AB Control is

on

> the

> > IAQACMR list. Anyone heard of AB Control in Cary, NC. Will I

and

> > animals be safe to stay indoors? Seems Servpro which I was told

> not

> > to use said they work in a controlled enviroment with blowers and

> > sucking and can't remember just what he said. Going to call AB

> Control

> > and ask questions. Still going with Reg. Wat. for

waterproofing.

> Have

> > to do that and my inside centerblocks are cracking!

> >

> > Rhonda

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Give me some advice if I should spend $2500 for hepa cleaning mold

and containment while doing so and removing ducts and insulation

which AB control says releases spores so better under containment.

Says I most likely have multi billions spores going on. Said I had

some bad spots but seen much worse and HVAC is one of the bad areas

(not his words but blowing in the spores by zillions) This is

stressing me out and it's not like I'm rich. AB control hooks up

something thru outside vents that sucks air the whole time working.

Anyone had that used? Is it loud inside? AB control said they

close up vents and I don't have to take animals out of house or me.

They hepa vac all the wood after removing insualtion and air ducts

and said they don't need to use the shockwave and s 2040 or

4020 fungicide whichever it was and that I could let Regional

Waterproofing use the anabec since that is part of the package and

doesn't decrease cost without using it. Guess then I will have to

remove animals for that.

AB Control has worked with Reg. Wat. but told them the waterproofing

is good but just using anabec won't solve the problem.

Well, Carl, does AB Control seem to pass the test of REMOVING

molds? They are a small company but only do residential with mold

and abestos. 5 years molds and abestos think he said 25 years.

All the info from day l is bouncing off my brain. The AB control

guy probably thinks I do have brain damage b/c I called him twice.

Can't believe I did that. One Industrial Hygenist that said put the

$$$ towards cleaning and removing mold gave me AB's name and another

ECS testing company referred me to AB. Give me opinions on this

removing before waterproofing and new HVAC. I do not want to

reinfect the new HVAC. Going to get a HEPA filterization system in

the new HVAC too. Was going to get the UV light but think Carl

said doesn't work but my HVAC guy said industrial HVAC's the air

movement is different from residential and he suppose to give me

info from Trane UV lights. I can't remember what you said Carl but

it was about air movement and the UV lights. Will have to find post

again and write down b/c one of those long ones I didnt' get around

to writing down and reading. I work full time too and so hard

handling this all by myself. Actually, my neighbor has the easier

route, she is walking away and foreclosing and getting bad credit

for 7 years. Probably easier than what I'm dealing with and then I

need Dr. Shoemaker or somebody.

Even the AB guy said don't expect to feel way better too soon. You

have billions of spores in your house just by the time length and

what he saw which I know is very true. Still warmer here thank

goodness. I don't want to turn the heat on.............bought

another HEPA air filter to have in bedroom and one in other half of

my small under 900 sq ft house. My dad got me a heater to plug in

even tho he doesn't quite get the problem but does understand mold

is in my HVAC but says I don't have visable mold cuz he hasn't been

in crawl space for years and old and doesn't get the microscopic

spore thing but got lung disease most likely from trying to fix the

problem hisself years ago. It's a laugh but he tried.....people

looking now laugh for sure and builder's fixing is a real laugh.

Anyone got a lung disease calle BOOP for short?? I'll have to find

the long name. Seems I recall Biolateral Obliterans ......it's a

weird name and that is what they finally called my dad's lung

disease and he got within the years of digging in my crawlspace and

around it and also got prostate cancer. They treated with

predisone and not sure if anything else but under control.

Mycotoxins cause inflammation and inflammation is the link to most

all diseases from what I have researched. I have my dad on what

I'm taking which is low dose naltrexone. Made my inflammation on

brain go away in 6 months of taking it and still taking it. If

it's ok KC I'll put that link to that med info on here later for

anyone that wants to research it? I think it's helped me

tremendously but as long as mycotoxins etc are pouring in my house,

only so much it can do for helping immune system but night and day

since taking for a year. But since heat came on and now I

understand the heat theory with what's in HVAC, I understand why I

get way worse.

Ok, got to take care of my sanctuary of animals I rescue. Can't be

no more b/c no $$ to care for sadly.

Rhonda not feeling well at all. Haven't heard from attorney yet

since calling back today. I get a feeling no way around

limitations. I plan to write my own letter to builder and in a

professional way let him know the impact on lives he is causing to

make money and must I say, make him feel guilty if that is anyway

possible. This is after I know I cannot sue for anything. My dad

knew his family b/c my dad is from Wendell, NC and people here are

connected so to speak. Then, we have a news channel called 5 on

your side, calling them and his name will be all over about his

building procedures. I'm not done here and it's a matter of

protecting other people's lives, not revenge. The Creator will take

care of that or whoever, not being religious here at all. Money is

the source of all Evil and this man is Evil. I'd still like to lock

him in my crawlspace and move. handcuffed of course with his face

in the HVAC unit! I'm trying to be comical here, have

too!!!)))))

[Guest guest]

Rhonda,

If I were there to see it first hand and talk directly with the

various contractors, I'd know with more confidence. However, with

what you describe below it sounds like you are making the right

choices. Heres why, plus I'll try to answer the questions you asked

me.

> Give me some advice if I should spend $2500 for hepa cleaning mold and

> containment while doing so and removing ducts and insulation which AB

> control says releases spores so better under containment.

HEPA cleaning along with removal of damaged materials is the way to

go. The spores and fragments are removed. Yes, have it done under

containment so they don't get spread around your house. Even though

this is in the crawlspace, the air flow control is important because

it is not airtight between the crawlspace and where you live. Compare

the $2500 for HEPA cleaning vs the higher cost of spraying. And they

still should HEPA vac to REMOVE the mold. Dead or alive, it should be

removed, so why pay extra for something that is redundant.

> Says I most

> likely have multi billions spores going on. Said I had some bad spots

> but seen much worse and HVAC is one of the bad areas (not his words

> but blowing in the spores by zillions)

The numbers are probably true but I don't like exageration and

emphasis on billions and billions, as Carl Saga used to say about

stars. Too much scare tactic and the numbers aren't of primary

importance anyway.

> AB control hooks up something thru outside

> vents that sucks air the whole time working. Anyone had that used?

It is called negative air, or air flow control. It is a very

important part of the containment that helps prevent cross-

contamination.

> Is it loud inside?

There will be noise, can't predict how much, but most people do not

find it relaxing. ;-)

> AB control said they close up vents and I don't

> have to take animals out of house or me. They hepa vac all the wood

> after removing insualtion and air ducts and said they don't need to

> use the shockwave and s 2040 or 4020 fungicide whichever it was

Good for them! They should also be inspecting the wood joists to see

if there is any rot or loss of strength.

> and that I could let Regional Waterproofing use the anabec since that

> is part of the package and doesn't decrease cost without using it.

> Guess then I will have to remove animals for that.

Whether it reduces the cost or not, I suggest caution with the

addition of any chemical designed to kill anything. Why expose you

and the animals to something that isn't necessary. Also, once the

waterproofing is installed and sealed, who cares what is underneath

it, so why kill it? It will be sealed and can't grow anyway. If your

crawlspace had a cement floor you wouldn't be concerned, right? The

barrier is actually better than a cement floor.

> AB Control has worked with Reg. Wat. but told them the waterproofing

> is good but just using anabec won't solve the problem.

Right. So why use the Anabec or any other chemical at any time?

> Well, Carl, does AB Control seem to pass the test of REMOVING

> molds? They are a small company but only do residential with mold

> and abestos. 5 years molds and abestos think he said 25 years.

Base on what you have written, they do. Many of the smaller companies

can be better - if they have training and they give a damn. I saw an

earlier post that you and some other were checking for CMRs through

IAQA. Good first step. We know the training they had to get that

designation.

> All the info from day l is bouncing off my brain. The AB control guy

> probably thinks I do have brain damage b/c I called him twice. Can't

> believe I did that.

He is not a doctor and is not qualified to make a statement like

that.

> One Industrial Hygenist that said put the $$$

> towards cleaning and removing mold gave me AB's name and another ECS

> testing company referred me to AB. Give me opinions on this removing

> before waterproofing and new HVAC.

Excellent advice. Despite my rantings, there are a few good IHs out

there. Fantastic! And you found one!

> I do not want to reinfect the new

> HVAC. Going to get a HEPA filterization system in the new HVAC too.

Installation after the removal and cleaning per the above won't

reinfect anything. The only HEPA filters for HVAC I know of are add-

on units that cost about $1000 plus installation. They only filter

part of the air each time. I'm not sure you need it or that you will

get $1000 of benefit from it.

Good info at several sites including:

http://www.pureairsystems.com/product_brochures.cfm that will show

you how they only clean part of the air stream. It's not that this is

bad, just be aware it isn't as good, in my opinion, as we wish it

were. Only a very few of my 19 years of clients got more benefit from

this than they did from clean ducts and a 3M Filtrete filter. I say

this even though I consider the owner of Pure Air Systems a friend

and have recommended his units. Like everything else, there is a

proper application but it isn't everywhere.

> Was going to get the UV light but think Carl said doesn't work but my

> HVAC guy said industrial HVAC's the air movement is different from

> residential and he suppose to give me info from Trane UV lights. I

> can't remember what you said Carl but it was about air movement and

> the UV lights.

Actually, he got it backwards. The industrial is more likely to be of

benefit because they usually have more sophisticated design and more

likely to perform as advertised. Residential is typically sloppy

cookie-cutters. The reason UV doesn't work for mold is it takes 5

seconds to 7 minutes of UV exposure to kill it. As mold flies through

the UV light it is exposed for only a fraction of a second. Enough

for most bacteria but way too fast for mold. No way will it do

anything to mold in the air. Besides, killing doesn't solve the

problem. Dead mold is still bad.

What it can do is keep mold from growing on the A/C coil - but that

is also limited because the UV can't shine on all of the coil. As for

him showing you the Trane info on UV lights, show him the Trane

official corporate position statement that they don't recommended UV

lights. Download it from:

www.trane.com/commercial/ issues/iaq/TraneUVCposition.pdf

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

[Guest guest]

Acontractor here in VA told me the state law is, if a house gets

moldy, it is the fault of the builder, no matter how long ago it is,

do you know the law in your state? And for gods sake, spend some

money for a little tent and sleeping bag and sleep outside- at least

for those hrs you will be breathing clean- you could even run an

extention cord outside for an electric blanket- I did this myself

through 1 winter

>

> Give me some advice if I should spend $2500 for hepa cleaning mold

> and containment while doing so and removing ducts and insulation

> which AB control says releases spores so better under

containment.

> Says I most likely have multi billions spores going on. Said I

had

> some bad spots but seen much worse and HVAC is one of the bad areas

> (not his words but blowing in the spores by zillions) This is

> stressing me out and it's not like I'm rich. AB control hooks up

> something thru outside vents that sucks air the whole time

working.

> Anyone had that used? Is it loud inside? AB control said they

> close up vents and I don't have to take animals out of house or

me.

> They hepa vac all the wood after removing insualtion and air ducts

> and said they don't need to use the shockwave and s 2040 or

> 4020 fungicide whichever it was and that I could let Regional

> Waterproofing use the anabec since that is part of the package and

> doesn't decrease cost without using it. Guess then I will have

to

> remove animals for that.

>

> AB Control has worked with Reg. Wat. but told them the

waterproofing

> is good but just using anabec won't solve the problem.

>

> Well, Carl, does AB Control seem to pass the test of REMOVING

> molds? They are a small company but only do residential with

mold

> and abestos. 5 years molds and abestos think he said 25 years.

>

> All the info from day l is bouncing off my brain. The AB control

> guy probably thinks I do have brain damage b/c I called him

twice.

> Can't believe I did that. One Industrial Hygenist that said put

the

> $$$ towards cleaning and removing mold gave me AB's name and

another

> ECS testing company referred me to AB. Give me opinions on this

> removing before waterproofing and new HVAC. I do not want to

> reinfect the new HVAC. Going to get a HEPA filterization system

in

> the new HVAC too. Was going to get the UV light but think Carl

> said doesn't work but my HVAC guy said industrial HVAC's the air

> movement is different from residential and he suppose to give me

> info from Trane UV lights. I can't remember what you said Carl

but

> it was about air movement and the UV lights. Will have to find

post

> again and write down b/c one of those long ones I didnt' get

around

> to writing down and reading. I work full time too and so hard

> handling this all by myself. Actually, my neighbor has the

easier

> route, she is walking away and foreclosing and getting bad credit

> for 7 years. Probably easier than what I'm dealing with and then

I

> need Dr. Shoemaker or somebody.

> Even the AB guy said don't expect to feel way better too soon.

You

> have billions of spores in your house just by the time length and

> what he saw which I know is very true. Still warmer here thank

> goodness. I don't want to turn the heat on.............bought

> another HEPA air filter to have in bedroom and one in other half

of

> my small under 900 sq ft house. My dad got me a heater to plug in

> even tho he doesn't quite get the problem but does understand mold

> is in my HVAC but says I don't have visable mold cuz he hasn't

been

> in crawl space for years and old and doesn't get the microscopic

> spore thing but got lung disease most likely from trying to fix

the

> problem hisself years ago. It's a laugh but he tried.....people

> looking now laugh for sure and builder's fixing is a real laugh.

>

> Anyone got a lung disease calle BOOP for short?? I'll have to

find

> the long name. Seems I recall Biolateral Obliterans ......it's a

> weird name and that is what they finally called my dad's lung

> disease and he got within the years of digging in my crawlspace

and

> around it and also got prostate cancer. They treated with

> predisone and not sure if anything else but under control.

> Mycotoxins cause inflammation and inflammation is the link to most

> all diseases from what I have researched. I have my dad on what

> I'm taking which is low dose naltrexone. Made my inflammation on

> brain go away in 6 months of taking it and still taking it. If

> it's ok KC I'll put that link to that med info on here later for

> anyone that wants to research it? I think it's helped me

> tremendously but as long as mycotoxins etc are pouring in my

house,

> only so much it can do for helping immune system but night and day

> since taking for a year. But since heat came on and now I

> understand the heat theory with what's in HVAC, I understand why I

> get way worse.

>

>

> Ok, got to take care of my sanctuary of animals I rescue. Can't

be

> no more b/c no $$ to care for sadly.

>

> Rhonda not feeling well at all. Haven't heard from attorney yet

> since calling back today. I get a feeling no way around

> limitations. I plan to write my own letter to builder and in a

> professional way let him know the impact on lives he is causing to

> make money and must I say, make him feel guilty if that is anyway

> possible. This is after I know I cannot sue for anything. My

dad

> knew his family b/c my dad is from Wendell, NC and people here are

> connected so to speak. Then, we have a news channel called 5 on

> your side, calling them and his name will be all over about his

> building procedures. I'm not done here and it's a matter of

> protecting other people's lives, not revenge. The Creator will

take

> care of that or whoever, not being religious here at all. Money

is

> the source of all Evil and this man is Evil. I'd still like to

lock

> him in my crawlspace and move. handcuffed of course with his

face

> in the HVAC unit! I'm trying to be comical here, have

> too!!!)))))

>

[Guest guest]

Can I find out state laws about this from the Attorney General's office

or where?

Rhonda

--- In , " carondeen " <kdeanstudios@v...>

wrote:

>

> Acontractor here in VA told me the state law is, if a house gets

> moldy, it is the fault of the builder, no matter how long ago it is,

> do you know the law in your state?

[Guest guest]

Why can't I print post from here? I'm trying to print this at work

and won't print!! I have to reread things to recall.

AB Control said today when they sent contract that he is going to put

in Air Scrubbers, 2 of them for a week which are big air purifiers.

Said he had a reaction after leaving my house and I don't think that

is a sales tactic b/c I have brain damage ETC. I wonder how much the

air scrubbers and the negative.....air thing will take in

electricity. Geez, I'm paying for that. Ok, he said he is only

sanitizing the areas that are affected and removing. What about the

dead you talk about Carl? Can that be unseen by naked eye? I'm not

sure this guy is going to hepa vac everything under house. Might

just be the seeable mold areas. He did say they wipe down pipes,

wires under there but I don't think that means the rest of floor

joist and wood flooring. Not sure but will ask.

I asked today if he could treat since under containment I supposedly

won't have to remove animals. He said will make cost go up b/c

s he hand paints that on all the areas. Seems he could use

somehthing else and spray instead of paint. I'm just scared if he

doesn't do it right..........back contaminated.

So, I do not need anabec at all but I'm so paranoid that this guy

might leave something behind but will have the encapsulation and

dehumidifier and sump pump too. AB says I have two bad spots but not

sure the length of these spots and one is near HVAC of course.

Just looked at contract and says hepa infected areas and brushing

and/or lightly vacuum sanding the affected wood surfaces. Then

sanitize the joists which have visable staining/discoloration with a

fungicide solution and generally wipe down the piope and wires in the

space and remove all vapor barrier plastic. Says remove visable

surface mold growth found on the floor system joists and firders by

hepa vacumming.

Says not responsible if mold comes back and I can hire for an

inspection which I can't afford. Seems they would have a better

warrenty. I am correcting the water intrusion. They do remove the

insulation and dispose and take air duct down and tie off but think

the HVAC guy has to dispose of them.

Rhonda

--- In , " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@h...>

wrote:

>

> Rhonda,

>

> If I were there to see it first hand and talk directly with the

> various contractors, I'd know with more confidence. However, with

> what you describe below it sounds like you are making the right

> choices. Heres why, plus I'll try to answer the questions you asked

> me.

>

>

> > Give me some advice if I should spend $2500 for hepa cleaning

mold and

> > containment while doing so and removing ducts and insulation

which AB

> > control says releases spores so better under containment.

>

> HEPA cleaning along with removal of damaged materials is the way to

> go. The spores and fragments are removed. Yes, have it done under

> containment so they don't get spread around your house. Even though

> this is in the crawlspace, the air flow control is important

because

> it is not airtight between the crawlspace and where you live.

Compare

> the $2500 for HEPA cleaning vs the higher cost of spraying. And

they

> still should HEPA vac to REMOVE the mold. Dead or alive, it should

be

> removed, so why pay extra for something that is redundant.

>

>

> > Says I most

> > likely have multi billions spores going on. Said I had some bad

spots

> > but seen much worse and HVAC is one of the bad areas (not his

words

> > but blowing in the spores by zillions)

>

> The numbers are probably true but I don't like exageration and

> emphasis on billions and billions, as Carl Saga used to say about

> stars. Too much scare tactic and the numbers aren't of primary

> importance anyway.

>

>

> > AB control hooks up something thru outside

> > vents that sucks air the whole time working. Anyone had that

used?

>

> It is called negative air, or air flow control. It is a very

> important part of the containment that helps prevent cross-

> contamination.

>

>

> > Is it loud inside?

>

> There will be noise, can't predict how much, but most people do not

> find it relaxing. ;-)

>

>

> > AB control said they close up vents and I don't

> > have to take animals out of house or me. They hepa vac all the

wood

> > after removing insualtion and air ducts and said they don't need

to

> > use the shockwave and s 2040 or 4020 fungicide whichever it

was

>

> Good for them! They should also be inspecting the wood joists to

see

> if there is any rot or loss of strength.

>

>

> > and that I could let Regional Waterproofing use the anabec since

that

> > is part of the package and doesn't decrease cost without using

it.

> > Guess then I will have to remove animals for that.

>

> Whether it reduces the cost or not, I suggest caution with the

> addition of any chemical designed to kill anything. Why expose you

> and the animals to something that isn't necessary. Also, once the

> waterproofing is installed and sealed, who cares what is underneath

> it, so why kill it? It will be sealed and can't grow anyway. If

your

> crawlspace had a cement floor you wouldn't be concerned, right? The

> barrier is actually better than a cement floor.

>

>

>

> > AB Control has worked with Reg. Wat. but told them the

waterproofing

> > is good but just using anabec won't solve the problem.

>

> Right. So why use the Anabec or any other chemical at any time?

>

>

> > Well, Carl, does AB Control seem to pass the test of REMOVING

> > molds? They are a small company but only do residential with

mold

> > and abestos. 5 years molds and abestos think he said 25 years.

>

> Base on what you have written, they do. Many of the smaller

companies

> can be better - if they have training and they give a damn. I saw

an

> earlier post that you and some other were checking for CMRs through

> IAQA. Good first step. We know the training they had to get that

> designation.

>

>

> > All the info from day l is bouncing off my brain. The AB control

guy

> > probably thinks I do have brain damage b/c I called him twice.

Can't

> > believe I did that.

>

> He is not a doctor and is not qualified to make a statement like

> that.

>

>

> > One Industrial Hygenist that said put the $$$

> > towards cleaning and removing mold gave me AB's name and another

ECS

> > testing company referred me to AB. Give me opinions on this

removing

> > before waterproofing and new HVAC.

>

> Excellent advice. Despite my rantings, there are a few good IHs out

> there. Fantastic! And you found one!

>

>

> > I do not want to reinfect the new

> > HVAC. Going to get a HEPA filterization system in the new HVAC

too.

>

> Installation after the removal and cleaning per the above won't

> reinfect anything. The only HEPA filters for HVAC I know of are add-

> on units that cost about $1000 plus installation. They only filter

> part of the air each time. I'm not sure you need it or that you

will

> get $1000 of benefit from it.

>

> Good info at several sites including:

> http://www.pureairsystems.com/product_brochures.cfm that will show

> you how they only clean part of the air stream. It's not that this

is

> bad, just be aware it isn't as good, in my opinion, as we wish it

> were. Only a very few of my 19 years of clients got more benefit

from

> this than they did from clean ducts and a 3M Filtrete filter. I say

> this even though I consider the owner of Pure Air Systems a friend

> and have recommended his units. Like everything else, there is a

> proper application but it isn't everywhere.

>

>

> > Was going to get the UV light but think Carl said doesn't work

but my

> > HVAC guy said industrial HVAC's the air movement is different from

> > residential and he suppose to give me info from Trane UV

lights. I

> > can't remember what you said Carl but it was about air movement

and

> > the UV lights.

>

> Actually, he got it backwards. The industrial is more likely to be

of

> benefit because they usually have more sophisticated design and

more

> likely to perform as advertised. Residential is typically sloppy

> cookie-cutters. The reason UV doesn't work for mold is it takes 5

> seconds to 7 minutes of UV exposure to kill it. As mold flies

through

> the UV light it is exposed for only a fraction of a second. Enough

> for most bacteria but way too fast for mold. No way will it do

> anything to mold in the air. Besides, killing doesn't solve the

> problem. Dead mold is still bad.

>

> What it can do is keep mold from growing on the A/C coil - but that

> is also limited because the UV can't shine on all of the coil. As

for

> him showing you the Trane info on UV lights, show him the Trane

> official corporate position statement that they don't recommended

UV

> lights. Download it from:

> www.trane.com/commercial/ issues/iaq/TraneUVCposition.pdf

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>