Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 Ruth: Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 is a civil rights statute. (j) " Person with disabilities. " (1) " Persons with a disability " means any person who (i) has a physical or mental impairment whichsubstantially limits one or more major life activities, (ii) has a record of such an impairment, or (iii) is regarded as having such an impairment. IEPs fall under IDEA. Having a disability does not in itself mean that your child is eligible for special education. He or she must meet criteria established by the individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). Acording to IDEA, eligibility for services exists when, because of a disability, a child is in need of special education and related services. There are several disabilities that fall under IDEA, but the disability must adversely affect your child's learning in some way. IDEA is the stronger of the two laws, but any school that receives federal funding MUST provide a free and appropriate public education (FAPE). This means that children who need special education services under EITHER Section 504 or IDEA must have an accommodation plan (504) or IEP (IDEA). Your school board office is required to give you the information you need concerning the two laws. In Ohio, the office of Legal Rights services publishes " The Book " which details all the information parents and advocates need about these two laws, including specific citations. Anyone in Ohio who would like the phone number to call should contact me at my email address. So the bottom line is that the school undoubtedly has children receiving services under both Section 504 and IDEA, and the employee just doesn't know what he or she is talking about. Jule in Cleveland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 Dear Kay and list, My daughter has also been in the IEP category since she was 3 and in preschool. She is also labeled Other Health Impaired. She is now 7 and the IEP has been a lifesaver, however I personally believe that the main reason it has been so effective is because I have been there every step of the way fighting for her rights. Somebody mentioned the booklet, " School Personnel, A Critical Link " . I give this to every person at the school who comes into contact with my daughter. I also give them the touching tree to watch. Not stopping there I spout my mouth off whenever possible about how common OCD is and how misunderstood it is etc. My daughter has terrible OCD but has made such an improvement over the past few years I can't even begin to tell you. Good Luck and don't let anybody push you around. Doctors, school personnel, friends, family, it has been such a battle with everybody from the beginning. We need to educate people about OCD. My daughter feels comfortable telling people she has OCD, it has been 3 long years of torture for our family but we are coming to terms with it now. Knod Kay wrote: > From: Kay <alilnutty@...> > > Hi Ruth and everyone, > > I'm not familiar with 504 plans but have learned > quite a bit about IEP's. My son has had > some sort of education plan from the first time > he went to preschool at age 3. Now that he is in > kindergarten he has an IEP. His IEP category is > OTH or Other Health Impaired. I would wonder if > this category may be an option for other parents > since it covers such large range of issues. > does have some health problems but his > major learning problems are due to his ADHD and > OCD. He also has some fairly serious speech > problems. > > Since he has developmental delays the school > tried to put him in the MR or what they called > educable mentally retarded category. We blew a > gasket and had to fight 6 months to get the label > removed. They just want to go with the category > that is > most comfortable to them. Kids that have issues > such as mental health issues are fairly new to > the system here. I would gladly help anyone in > Pennsylvania that needs help finding information > regarding IEP's or educational rights. I was > fortunate to have found an advocate to help me > learn how to get results that would most benefit > my son. He is not only a retired psychologist > but a retired college professor. He is great!! > Without him I'm sure I'd still be fighting the > battle. He directed me to the right resources and > helped me get the information I needed to design > 's IEP. He even went along to the first 4 > meetings to help get the ball rolling. Thanks to > > him my son's IEP states that he seems to excel in > his computer skills and may benefit educationally > from computers. Only last month we were told by > the psychologist that according to 's last > cognitive and psychological evaluation he will > most likely need to use a computer to do his > homework due to visual spatial issues. > > Kay (ALilNutty) > > --- ruth porter <ruth2b4@...> wrote: > > From: ruth porter <ruth2b4@...> > > > > > > I am just starting to think about a plan for my > > high > > school age son. I was just casually talking to > > an > > employee of the school and she said they don't > > have > > any 504 plans only I.E.P. (individual education > > plans) > > so can anyone tell me the difference? He has > > been > > homeschooled part time and Middle school part > > time. > > Next year he says he wants to go to high school > > and I > > am trying to get a plan for success in place. > > The Dr. > > who helped with his dx said high school could > > be > > another OCD trigger for him. > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 Hi Ruth and everyone, I'm not familiar with 504 plans but have learned quite a bit about IEP's. My son has had some sort of education plan from the first time he went to preschool at age 3. Now that he is in kindergarten he has an IEP. His IEP category is OTH or Other Health Impaired. I would wonder if this category may be an option for other parents since it covers such large range of issues. does have some health problems but his major learning problems are due to his ADHD and OCD. He also has some fairly serious speech problems. Since he has developmental delays the school tried to put him in the MR or what they called educable mentally retarded category. We blew a gasket and had to fight 6 months to get the label removed. They just want to go with the category that is most comfortable to them. Kids that have issues such as mental health issues are fairly new to the system here. I would gladly help anyone in Pennsylvania that needs help finding information regarding IEP's or educational rights. I was fortunate to have found an advocate to help me learn how to get results that would most benefit my son. He is not only a retired psychologist but a retired college professor. He is great!! Without him I'm sure I'd still be fighting the battle. He directed me to the right resources and helped me get the information I needed to design 's IEP. He even went along to the first 4 meetings to help get the ball rolling. Thanks to him my son's IEP states that he seems to excel in his computer skills and may benefit educationally from computers. Only last month we were told by the psychologist that according to 's last cognitive and psychological evaluation he will most likely need to use a computer to do his homework due to visual spatial issues. Kay (ALilNutty) --- ruth porter <ruth2b4@...> wrote: > From: ruth porter <ruth2b4@...> > > > I am just starting to think about a plan for my > high > school age son. I was just casually talking to > an > employee of the school and she said they don't > have > any 504 plans only I.E.P. (individual education > plans) > so can anyone tell me the difference? He has > been > homeschooled part time and Middle school part > time. > Next year he says he wants to go to high school > and I > am trying to get a plan for success in place. > The Dr. > who helped with his dx said high school could > be > another OCD trigger for him. > > _________________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 Dear Ruth: It is my understanding that a 504 plan is one which the parents, counselor and teachers devise to help the student stay in the classes he is in or to stay in the mainstream at school. You choose the accommodations that you feel are necessary for him to succeed in these classes. My daughter has such a plan right now. An IEP is more of a controlled schedule. Usually the student is placed in learning support classrooms that are smaller in size. Additionally, they receive study support classes at school. This goes on the student's record and I believe, the 504 plan does not, but I am not positive about this. I would try the 504 first unless you know that your child needs the smaller classes and support. Next year we will probably have to do some learning support classes as my daughter still has a lot of stress. Good luck and try this site. <A HREF= " http://www.fairlite.com/ocd/articles/school.shtml " >School Personnel: A Critical Link </A> Sheree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 Hi : What great news about how you have dealt with OCD, school and the family and how well your daughter is doing now. We too have had quite a battle but luckily here and there have come up against committed professionals and loving friends who have helped us along this ongoing journey. I would like to advocate for OCD more, however sometimes Steve wants to keep it very private so I go back and forth between fighting the stigma and respecting his OCD tendency to secrecy. Aloha, Kathy At 03:53 PM 4/27/99 +0100, you wrote: >From: Knod <kelly@...> > >Dear Kay and list, > >My daughter has also been in the IEP category since she was 3 and in preschool. She is also labeled Other Health Impaired. She is now 7 and the IEP has been a lifesaver, however I >personally believe that the main reason it has been so effective is because I have been there every step of the way fighting for her rights. Somebody mentioned the booklet, " School >Personnel, A Critical Link " . I give this to every person at the school who comes into contact with my daughter. I also give them the touching tree to watch. >Not stopping there I spout my mouth off whenever possible about how common OCD is and how misunderstood it is etc. My daughter has terrible OCD but has made such an improvement over the >past few years I can't even begin to tell you. > >Good Luck and don't let anybody push you around. Doctors, school personnel, friends, family, it has been such a battle with everybody from the beginning. We need to educate people about >OCD. My daughter feels comfortable telling people she has OCD, it has been 3 long years of torture for our family but we are coming to terms with it now. > > Knod > >Kay wrote: > >> From: Kay <alilnutty@...> >> >> Hi Ruth and everyone, >> >> I'm not familiar with 504 plans but have learned >> quite a bit about IEP's. My son has had >> some sort of education plan from the first time >> he went to preschool at age 3. Now that he is in >> kindergarten he has an IEP. His IEP category is >> OTH or Other Health Impaired. I would wonder if >> this category may be an option for other parents >> since it covers such large range of issues. >> does have some health problems but his >> major learning problems are due to his ADHD and >> OCD. He also has some fairly serious speech >> problems. >> >> Since he has developmental delays the school >> tried to put him in the MR or what they called >> educable mentally retarded category. We blew a >> gasket and had to fight 6 months to get the label >> removed. They just want to go with the category >> that is >> most comfortable to them. Kids that have issues >> such as mental health issues are fairly new to >> the system here. I would gladly help anyone in >> Pennsylvania that needs help finding information >> regarding IEP's or educational rights. I was >> fortunate to have found an advocate to help me >> learn how to get results that would most benefit >> my son. He is not only a retired psychologist >> but a retired college professor. He is great!! >> Without him I'm sure I'd still be fighting the >> battle. He directed me to the right resources and >> helped me get the information I needed to design >> 's IEP. He even went along to the first 4 >> meetings to help get the ball rolling. Thanks to >> >> him my son's IEP states that he seems to excel in >> his computer skills and may benefit educationally >> from computers. Only last month we were told by >> the psychologist that according to 's last >> cognitive and psychological evaluation he will >> most likely need to use a computer to do his >> homework due to visual spatial issues. >> >> Kay (ALilNutty) >> >> --- ruth porter <ruth2b4@...> wrote: >> > From: ruth porter <ruth2b4@...> >> > >> > >> > I am just starting to think about a plan for my >> > high >> > school age son. I was just casually talking to >> > an >> > employee of the school and she said they don't >> > have >> > any 504 plans only I.E.P. (individual education >> > plans) >> > so can anyone tell me the difference? He has >> > been >> > homeschooled part time and Middle school part >> > time. >> > Next year he says he wants to go to high school >> > and I >> > am trying to get a plan for success in place. >> > The Dr. >> > who helped with his dx said high school could >> > be >> > another OCD trigger for him. >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________ >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 , How can I get a copy of the touching tree? Thanks, mary Knod wrote: > From: Knod <kelly@...> > > Dear Kay and list, > > My daughter has also been in the IEP category since she was 3 and in preschool. She is also labeled Other Health Impaired. She is now 7 and the IEP has been a lifesaver, however I > personally believe that the main reason it has been so effective is because I have been there every step of the way fighting for her rights. Somebody mentioned the booklet, " School > Personnel, A Critical Link " . I give this to every person at the school who comes into contact with my daughter. I also give them the touching tree to watch. > Not stopping there I spout my mouth off whenever possible about how common OCD is and how misunderstood it is etc. My daughter has terrible OCD but has made such an improvement over the > past few years I can't even begin to tell you. > > Good Luck and don't let anybody push you around. Doctors, school personnel, friends, family, it has been such a battle with everybody from the beginning. We need to educate people about > OCD. My daughter feels comfortable telling people she has OCD, it has been 3 long years of torture for our family but we are coming to terms with it now. > > Knod > > Kay wrote: > > > From: Kay <alilnutty@...> > > > > Hi Ruth and everyone, > > > > I'm not familiar with 504 plans but have learned > > quite a bit about IEP's. My son has had > > some sort of education plan from the first time > > he went to preschool at age 3. Now that he is in > > kindergarten he has an IEP. His IEP category is > > OTH or Other Health Impaired. I would wonder if > > this category may be an option for other parents > > since it covers such large range of issues. > > does have some health problems but his > > major learning problems are due to his ADHD and > > OCD. He also has some fairly serious speech > > problems. > > > > Since he has developmental delays the school > > tried to put him in the MR or what they called > > educable mentally retarded category. We blew a > > gasket and had to fight 6 months to get the label > > removed. They just want to go with the category > > that is > > most comfortable to them. Kids that have issues > > such as mental health issues are fairly new to > > the system here. I would gladly help anyone in > > Pennsylvania that needs help finding information > > regarding IEP's or educational rights. I was > > fortunate to have found an advocate to help me > > learn how to get results that would most benefit > > my son. He is not only a retired psychologist > > but a retired college professor. He is great!! > > Without him I'm sure I'd still be fighting the > > battle. He directed me to the right resources and > > helped me get the information I needed to design > > 's IEP. He even went along to the first 4 > > meetings to help get the ball rolling. Thanks to > > > > him my son's IEP states that he seems to excel in > > his computer skills and may benefit educationally > > from computers. Only last month we were told by > > the psychologist that according to 's last > > cognitive and psychological evaluation he will > > most likely need to use a computer to do his > > homework due to visual spatial issues. > > > > Kay (ALilNutty) > > > > --- ruth porter <ruth2b4@...> wrote: > > > From: ruth porter <ruth2b4@...> > > > > > > > > > I am just starting to think about a plan for my > > > high > > > school age son. I was just casually talking to > > > an > > > employee of the school and she said they don't > > > have > > > any 504 plans only I.E.P. (individual education > > > plans) > > > so can anyone tell me the difference? He has > > > been > > > homeschooled part time and Middle school part > > > time. > > > Next year he says he wants to go to high school > > > and I > > > am trying to get a plan for success in place. > > > The Dr. > > > who helped with his dx said high school could > > > be > > > another OCD trigger for him. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 1999 Report Share Posted April 28, 1999 Hi , What's the " touching tree " mentioned in your message? Also, about that " School Personnel, A Critical Link " , I got from the net. Is this a different book or the same article? TC Knod <kelly@...> on 04/27/99 10:53:38 AM Please respond to onelist onelist cc: (bcc: Tse Chao/JerseyCity/iNautix) Subject: Re: 504vsIEP From: Knod <kelly@...> Dear Kay and list, My daughter has also been in the IEP category since she was 3 and in preschool. She is also labeled Other Health Impaired. She is now 7 and the IEP has been a lifesaver, however I personally believe that the main reason it has been so effective is because I have been there every step of the way fighting for her rights. Somebody mentioned the booklet, " School Personnel, A Critical Link " . I give this to every person at the school who comes into contact with my daughter. I also give them the touching tree to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 1999 Report Share Posted September 17, 1999 Patti, I saved Jule's old mail which explained the 504 plan in a very detail form. I know she would not mind I forward it to you. The forwarded message follows this message. Patti, you'll find that a lot of us on the list share all kinds of frustrations and strugglings whcih could be different from family to family. I, too, sometimes feel guilty on my son's problem. His ocd became worse, after we moved to the current school district. He was a quite popular and well respected student at the old school. But, he did not have any friend at the new school. He hated the school, teachers and students. Learning from the hard experiences, the school really played a essential role on Chris's problem. If we were in a more understanding school, would be much happier and would have stayed in the high school. Molly's doctor is so right. Please enroll her into a different school. She may even be able to make new friends there. My son is now happier in the college and making new friends! Environment is so important and if one does not fit her, try a different one. Although it's still too early to tell Chris's case, but he is much happier there. His high school almost destroyed him and made him lose motivations and became very low self-esteem. For Molly's problem, a different environment, say, a new school, may help a lot as well. Take care and wish the best to Molly and you. TC ---------------------- Forwarded by Tse Chao/JerseyCity/iNautix on 09/17/99 05:05 PM --------------------------- Please respond to onelist onelist cc: (bcc: Tse Chao/JerseyCity/iNautix) Subject: Re: 504vsIEP From: j.monnens@... Ruth: Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 is a civil rights statute. (j) " Person with disabilities. " (1) " Persons with a disability " means any person who (i) has a physical or mental impairment whichsubstantially limits one or more major life activities, (ii) has a record of such an impairment, or (iii) is regarded as having such an impairment. IEPs fall under IDEA. Having a disability does not in itself mean that your child is eligible for special education. He or she must meet criteria established by the individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). Acording to IDEA, eligibility for services exists when, because of a disability, a child is in need of special education and related services. There are several disabilities that fall under IDEA, but the disability must adversely affect your child's learning in some way. IDEA is the stronger of the two laws, but any school that receives federal funding MUST provide a free and appropriate public education (FAPE). This means that children who need special education services under EITHER Section 504 or IDEA must have an accommodation plan (504) or IEP (IDEA). Your school board office is required to give you the information you need concerning the two laws. In Ohio, the office of Legal Rights services publishes " The Book " which details all the information parents and advocates need about these two laws, including specific citations. Anyone in Ohio who would like the phone number to call should contact me at my email address. So the bottom line is that the school undoubtedly has children receiving services under both Section 504 and IDEA, and the employee just doesn't know what he or she is talking about. Jule in Cleveland ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. http://www.ONElist.com ONElist: The leading provider of free e-mail list services! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The is sponsored by the OCSDA. You may visit their web site at http://www.ocdhelp.org/ and view schedules for chatroom support at http://www.ocdhelp.org/chat.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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