Re: Good article on Ochratoxicosis (ochratoxin intoxication)

[Guest guest]

I found another one, but this is the first I have seen that did not

show CSM to be best.

http://abac.ch/Mycotoxin%20reference.pdf

[Guest guest]

I find this very interesting- with reguards my many experiments in

cleaning my belongings. Where ozone was partly responsible for

contaminating many belonging when I tried to kill the mold with

ozone, thus causing a massive mycotoxin release, ozone treatment has

been the best method so far for de-contaminating my belongings.

Amonia did not work for me(it was also recomended by Dr Croft a few

weeks ago to a fellow traveller)- nor quats, nor germicidal UV

lights- which are highly destructive and yellowing - soaking in

strong bleach and lye worked- but very few items can survive that

treatment. What is Calcium hydroxide monoethylamine? has anyone

tried that?

Chemically, some mycotoxins can be destroyed

with calcium hydroxide monoethylamine (Bauer,

1994), ozone (McKenzie et al., 1997; Lemke et al.,

1999) or ammonia (Park, 1993). Particularly the

ammoniation is an approved procedure for the

detoxication of aflatoxin-contaminated feed in

some U.S. states as well as in Senegal, France,

and the UK. The average ammoniation costs vary

between 5 and 20% of the value of the commodity

(Coker, 1998). Main drawbacks of this kind of

chemical detoxication are the ineffectiveness

against other mycotoxins and the possible deterioration

of the animals health by excessive residual

>

> I found another one, but this is the first I have seen that did

not

> show CSM to be best.

>

> http://abac.ch/Mycotoxin%20reference.pdf

>

[Guest guest]

Replying to my own question- Calcium hydroxide is a type of lime,

used in making drugs like cocaine- makes me wonder if big brother is

taging my google searches- the monoethlamine part I can't get

figured out but if adds to the lists of articles I have read that

different cleaning techniques are necessary for different mycotoxins-

what will clean mine will not clean yours for sure

> >

> > I found another one, but this is the first I have seen that did

> not

> > show CSM to be best.

> >

> > http://abac.ch/Mycotoxin%20reference.pdf

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, You say that ozone was responsible for contaminating your belongings.

Then you say it was best way to decontaminate your belongings? How powerful does

an ozonater half to be to kill mold? I guess you put them in a seperate area.

Loni

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: Replying to my own question-

Calcium hydroxide is a type of lime,

used in making drugs like cocaine- makes me wonder if big brother is

taging my google searches- the monoethlamine part I can't get

figured out but if adds to the lists of articles I have read that

different cleaning techniques are necessary for different mycotoxins-

what will clean mine will not clean yours for sure

> >

> > I found another one, but this is the first I have seen that did

> not

> > show CSM to be best.

> >

> > http://abac.ch/Mycotoxin%20reference.pdf

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Fletch, thank you for the reference.

Interestingly, it mentions something called polyvinylpyrrolidone, which from

its chemical name, appears to perhaps be related in some degree to the

piracetam family.. Perhaps there is some significance there?

Piracetam has for me, seemed to suppress some mold symptoms (headaches, and

ringing ears particularly) for approximately the length of time that it is

in the bloodstream (six to eight hours)

Piracetam is amazingly cheap for what it does, too. (around $10/month in

bulk)

From what I have read, it also improves your memory, esp. if you take it

with choline..

[Guest guest]

Don't kid yourself, the only way to decontaminate is to remove the

mold.. I have an industrial grade ozoneator (6000 mg/hr). When I

moved into my 28' travel trailer I was sicker than ever. It was

because of my computer monitor which had black mold growing on the

circuit boards. I was using this industrial grade device xt 6000

http://www.air-zone.com/xtpower.html

It was designed for 2000 sq ft houses I was using it in this tiny

trailer. I didn't stop getting sick until I got rid of the monitor.

I have no doubt if I still had the monitor in this trailer I would

still be getting sick from it. I don't care what they say about ozone

killing mold my experience is that it's hype. Maybe under specific

conditions it can kill mold but in the real world (your home) it

doesn't work. I have tried it.

It might be helpful for prevention purposes or for stunting mold

growth but like a lot of people say on this board when you attack the

mold with bleach/ ozone you just tend to piss it off causing it to

release more toxins that make you even sicker. Plus whatever chemical

remanent's remain from the ozone process in your home are not

beneficial for you.

These devices that release trace amounts of ozone are for all intents

and purposes ineffective in my opinion, and consumer reports. I can

shock treat my environment with this commercial machine that releases

thousands of times the amount of a sharper image or the like, and not

kill the mold..

If I have failed with this commercial device you aren't going to get

any benefit what so ever from a sharper image or any of those other

inonizing machines that let out trace amounts of ozone which are high

enough over time to cause scaring in your lungs but have no

effectiveness what so ever against the mold.

After researching these machines and using them I have come to the

conclusion that the ones that are intended to run in your living

environment are dangerous to your health and the ones that are used

for shock treatments might have some limited usefulness for prevention

or for stunting growth. But don't think they will be a magic bullet,

they won't.

>

>, You say that ozone was responsible for contaminating your belongings. >

>Then you say it was best way to decontaminate your belongings? How powerful

does an ozonater half to be to kill mold?

> I guess you put them in a seperate area. Loni

[Guest guest]

Well said, . I have nothing else to add except, " Thank you! "

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> Don't kid yourself, the only way to decontaminate is to remove the

> mold.. I have an industrial grade ozoneator (6000 mg/hr). When I

> moved into my 28' travel trailer I was sicker than ever. It was

> because of my computer monitor which had black mold growing on the

> circuit boards. I was using this industrial grade device xt 6000

> http://www.air-zone.com/xtpower.html

> It was designed for 2000 sq ft houses I was using it in this tiny

> trailer. I didn't stop getting sick until I got rid of the monitor. I

> have no doubt if I still had the monitor in this trailer I would still

> be getting sick from it. I don't care what they say about ozone

> killing mold my experience is that it's hype. Maybe under specific

> conditions it can kill mold but in the real world (your home) it

> doesn't work. I have tried it.

> It might be helpful for prevention purposes or for stunting mold

> growth but like a lot of people say on this board when you attack the

> mold with bleach/ ozone you just tend to piss it off causing it to

> release more toxins that make you even sicker. Plus whatever chemical

> remanent's remain from the ozone process in your home are not

> beneficial for you.

> These devices that release trace amounts of ozone are for all intents

> and purposes ineffective in my opinion, and consumer reports. I can

> shock treat my environment with this commercial machine that releases

> thousands of times the amount of a sharper image or the like, and not

> kill the mold..

> If I have failed with this commercial device you aren't going to get

> any benefit what so ever from a sharper image or any of those other

> inonizing machines that let out trace amounts of ozone which are high

> enough over time to cause scaring in your lungs but have no

> effectiveness what so ever against the mold.

>

> After researching these machines and using them I have come to the

> conclusion that the ones that are intended to run in your living

> environment are dangerous to your health and the ones that are used

> for shock treatments might have some limited usefulness for prevention

> or for stunting growth. But don't think they will be a magic bullet,

> they won't.

>

>

>

> >

> >, You say that ozone was responsible for contaminating your

> >belongings. > Then you say it was best way to decontaminate your

> >belongings? How powerful does an ozonater half to be to kill mold?

> > I guess you put them in a seperate area. Loni

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I had a powerfull ozonator that I used to try and kill the

moldy mess hiding in couches that my husband had brought into our

antique shop- the ozone may or may not have killed the ozone- but

overnight it released enough toxin to almost kill me and contaminate

everything. I have been using an ozonator in a separate- closed off

room in my rental for a year- and it definitly de-contaminated

everything very well except for things in closed boxes. The walk in

closet I used for UV light experiments-It destroyed most things

except metal- soaking in very strong bleach worked, but also wears

everything out and makes it white- and was not as good as ozone--The

vulpex soap in de-natured alcohol worked well also- a long soak of

dark clothes in Vulpex worked OK- but is expensive.

- In , Loni Rosser <loni326@...>

wrote:

>

> , You say that ozone was responsible for contaminating your

belongings. Then you say it was best way to decontaminate your

belongings? How powerful does an ozonater half to be to kill mold? I

guess you put them in a seperate area. Loni

>

> carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: Replying to my own question-

Calcium hydroxide is a type of lime,

> used in making drugs like cocaine- makes me wonder if big brother

is

> taging my google searches- the monoethlamine part I can't get

> figured out but if adds to the lists of articles I have read that

> different cleaning techniques are necessary for different

mycotoxins-

> what will clean mine will not clean yours for sure

>

>

> >

> > I find this very interesting- with reguards my many experiments

in

> > cleaning my belongings. Where ozone was partly responsible for

> > contaminating many belonging when I tried to kill the mold with

> > ozone, thus causing a massive mycotoxin release, ozone treatment

[Guest guest]

I wanted to do that in a seperate room or even A storage area but How strong doe

the ozonater have to be? The sales adds on the internet I don't trust. I read

that one that put out 100-500 ppm should kill mold. I ordered a packet from EPA.

Do you think it would kill mold on paper if I opened file drawers up? I remember

the couch incident-that was horrible. I can't see me soaking items in bleach.

Thanks for the input. I want to purchase the right one. Loni

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

Yes, I had a powerfull ozonator that I used to try and kill the

moldy mess hiding in couches that my husband had brought into our

antique shop- the ozone may or may not have killed the ozone- but

overnight it released enough toxin to almost kill me and contaminate

everything. I have been using an ozonator in a separate- closed off

room in my rental for a year- and it definitly de-contaminated

everything very well except for things in closed boxes. The walk in

closet I used for UV light experiments-It destroyed most things

except metal- soaking in very strong bleach worked, but also wears

everything out and makes it white- and was not as good as ozone--The

vulpex soap in de-natured alcohol worked well also- a long soak of

dark clothes in Vulpex worked OK- but is expensive.

- In , Loni Rosser <loni326@...>

wrote:

>

> , You say that ozone was responsible for contaminating your

belongings. Then you say it was best way to decontaminate your

belongings? How powerful does an ozonater half to be to kill mold? I

guess you put them in a seperate area. Loni

>

> carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: Replying to my own question-

Calcium hydroxide is a type of lime,

> used in making drugs like cocaine- makes me wonder if big brother

is

> taging my google searches- the monoethlamine part I can't get

> figured out but if adds to the lists of articles I have read that

> different cleaning techniques are necessary for different

mycotoxins-

> what will clean mine will not clean yours for sure

>

>

> >

> > I find this very interesting- with reguards my many experiments

in

> > cleaning my belongings. Where ozone was partly responsible for

> > contaminating many belonging when I tried to kill the mold with

> > ozone, thus causing a massive mycotoxin release, ozone treatment

FAIR USE NOTICE:

[Guest guest]

So, it kills the spores, and hence, new mold growth (assuming the items are

dry) but it also releases from the cellular matrix and does not destroy

mycotoxins? (which then are allowed to become dust and blow around in the

slightest wind..)

Or do I have that wrong in some way?

[Guest guest]

-All the things that I attempted to clean, except for some books and

files, had been thoughly washed. i don't think I had a big spore

problem, just mycotoxin- as i said- I do not recomend it for trying

to kill a mols colony- just the mycotoxin that is so dificult to

clean any other way. I bought an air zone. You don't want it too

strong or it can damage items- just use it longer if necessary- it

is important that the area be sealed so no air gets in or out.

karen

-- In , Loni Rosser <loni326@...>

wrote:

>

> I wanted to do that in a seperate room or even A storage area but

How strong doe the ozonater have to be? The sales adds on the

internet I don't trust. I read that one that put out 100-500 ppm

should kill mold. I ordered a packet from EPA. Do you think it would

kill mold on paper if I opened file drawers up? I remember the couch

incident-that was horrible. I can't see me soaking items in bleach.

Thanks for the input. I want to purchase the right one. Loni

>

> carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

> Yes, I had a powerfull ozonator that I used to try and kill the

> moldy mess hiding in couches that my husband had brought into our

> antique shop- the ozone may or may not have killed the ozone- but

> overnight it released enough toxin to almost kill me and

contaminate

> everything. I have been using an ozonator in a separate- closed

off

> room in my rental for a year- and it definitly de-contaminated

> everything very well except for things in closed boxes. The walk

in

> closet I used for UV light experiments-It destroyed most things

> except metal- soaking in very strong bleach worked, but also wears

> everything out and makes it white- and was not as good as ozone--

The

> vulpex soap in de-natured alcohol worked well also- a long soak of

> dark clothes in Vulpex worked OK- but is expensive.

> - In , Loni Rosser <loni326@>

> wrote:

> >

> > , You say that ozone was responsible for contaminating your

> belongings. Then you say it was best way to decontaminate your

> belongings? How powerful does an ozonater half to be to kill mold?

I

> guess you put them in a seperate area. Loni

> >

> > carondeen <kdeanstudios@> wrote: Replying to my own question-

> Calcium hydroxide is a type of lime,

> > used in making drugs like cocaine- makes me wonder if big

brother

> is

> > taging my google searches- the monoethlamine part I can't get

> > figured out but if adds to the lists of articles I have read

that

> > different cleaning techniques are necessary for different

> mycotoxins-

> > what will clean mine will not clean yours for sure

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I find this very interesting- with reguards my many

experiments

> in

> > > cleaning my belongings. Where ozone was partly responsible for

> > > contaminating many belonging when I tried to kill the mold

with

> > > ozone, thus causing a massive mycotoxin release, ozone

treatment

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Are you talking to me? both the article and myself are talking about

decontaminating mycotoxin, not spores

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> So, it kills the spores, and hence, new mold growth (assuming the

items are

> dry) but it also releases from the cellular matrix and does not

destroy

> mycotoxins? (which then are allowed to become dust and blow around

in the

> slightest wind..)

>

> Or do I have that wrong in some way?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you!

I am trying to figure out how to decontaminate five big (floor to ceiling)

bookshelves full of books..

what a *major* headache...

[Guest guest]

, What did you do about the books & files which is my concern (as well as

computers now). Did they not have mold on them? Loni

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: -All the things that I attempted to

clean, except for some books and

files, had been thoughly washed. i don't think I had a big spore

problem, just mycotoxin- as i said- I do not recomend it for trying

to kill a mols colony- just the mycotoxin that is so dificult to

clean any other way. I bought an air zone. You don't want it too

strong or it can damage items- just use it longer if necessary- it

is important that the area be sealed so no air gets in or out.

karen

-- In , Loni Rosser <loni326@...>

wrote:

>

> I wanted to do that in a seperate room or even A storage area but

How strong doe the ozonater have to be? The sales adds on the

internet I don't trust. I read that one that put out 100-500 ppm

should kill mold. I ordered a packet from EPA. Do you think it would

kill mold on paper if I opened file drawers up? I remember the couch

incident-that was horrible. I can't see me soaking items in bleach.

Thanks for the input. I want to purchase the right one. Loni

>

> carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

> Yes, I had a powerfull ozonator that I used to try and kill the

> moldy mess hiding in couches that my husband had brought into our

> antique shop- the ozone may or may not have killed the ozone- but

> overnight it released enough toxin to almost kill me and

contaminate

> everything. I have been using an ozonator in a separate- closed

off

> room in my rental for a year- and it definitly de-contaminated

> everything very well except for things in closed boxes. The walk

in

> closet I used for UV light experiments-It destroyed most things

> except metal- soaking in very strong bleach worked, but also wears

> everything out and makes it white- and was not as good as ozone--

The

> vulpex soap in de-natured alcohol worked well also- a long soak of

> dark clothes in Vulpex worked OK- but is expensive.

> - In , Loni Rosser <loni326@>

> wrote:

> >

> > , You say that ozone was responsible for contaminating your

> belongings. Then you say it was best way to decontaminate your

> belongings? How powerful does an ozonater half to be to kill mold?

I

> guess you put them in a seperate area. Loni

> >

> > carondeen <kdeanstudios@> wrote: Replying to my own question-

> Calcium hydroxide is a type of lime,

> > used in making drugs like cocaine- makes me wonder if big

brother

> is

> > taging my google searches- the monoethlamine part I can't get

> > figured out but if adds to the lists of articles I have read

that

> > different cleaning techniques are necessary for different

> mycotoxins-

> > what will clean mine will not clean yours for sure

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I find this very interesting- with reguards my many

experiments

> in

> > > cleaning my belongings. Where ozone was partly responsible for

> > > contaminating many belonging when I tried to kill the mold

with

> > > ozone, thus causing a massive mycotoxin release, ozone

treatment

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just stumbled across this and I thought it was relevant..

J Occup Environ Hyg. <javascript:AL_get(this, 'jour', 'J Occup Environ

Hyg.');> 2004 Jul;1(7):442-7.

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..

Center for Indoor Air Research, Department of Microbiology and Immunology,

Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center, Lubbock, Texas 79430, USA.

.@...

This study examined the efficacy of the following treatments to reduce

selected fungal spore and mycotoxin levels on materials commonly found in

home contents: (1) gamma irradiation at a 10-13 kiloGray exposure, (2) a

detergent/bleach wash, and (3) a steam cleaning technique. A minimum of six

replicates were performed per treatment. Paper, cloth, wood, and carpet were

inoculated with either fungal spores (Stachybotrys chartarum, Aspergillus

niger, Penicillium chrysogenum, or Chaetomium globosum) at 240,000

spores/2.54 cm2 of material or with the mycotoxins roridin A, T-2, and

verrucarin A at 10 microg per 2.54 cm2 of material. Treatments were

evaluated with an agar plating technique for fungal spores and a yeast

toxicity culture assay for mycotoxins. Results showed that gamma irradiation

inactivated fungal spores, but the treatment was not successful in

inactivating mycotoxins. The washing technique completely inactivated or

removed spores on all materials except for C. globosum, which was reduced on

all items except paper (p < 0.05). Washing inactivated all mycotoxins on

paper and cloth but not on carpet or untreated wood (p < 0.001). The steam

cleaning treatment did not completely eliminate any fungal spores; however,

it reduced P. chrysogenum numbers on all materials, C. globosum was reduced

on wood and carpet, and S. chartarum was reduced on wood (p < 0.05). Steam

cleaning was unsuccessful in inactivating any of the tested mycotoxins.

These results show that the bleach/detergent washing technique was more

effective overall in reducing spore and mycotoxin levels than gamma

irradiation or steam cleaning. However, the other examined techniques were

successful in varying degrees. Copyright 2004 JOEH, LLC

[Guest guest]

Hey LiveSimply,

Thanks for the links. I look forward to scanning through them

tomorrow, it's getting late here. Hopefully you are feeling better

and some action is being taken by your landlord to address some of

your concerns.

I know I've mentioned this before, but it is a while ago, now that

we are on the subject of ochratoxins, one of the hospital I was

involved with as far as remodeling had given me many opportunities

to speak to many individuals and professionals in the medical field.

I spoke to one of the top oncologists in the hospital and had asked

him if he had ever come across elevated levels of aflatoxins in the

cancer patients. He said he didn't believe that there was a test for

that. To me that I was an odd response because I know that there is

a test for that. He didn't seem to know much about these toxins.

When I asked him if he see elevated levels of ochratoxins in his

patients, his eyes lit up and said yes there is. Really, my next

question was, why is this and does he realize where ochratoxins come

from. He was searching for an answer, he didn't seem to have one. So

I answered it for him. Several different forms of aspergillus and

pencillium, then he realized where I was going and excused himself.

So is cancer really related to fungal exposure/mold or is that what

cancer really is. Fungal. I think many of us know the answer to this

one. I am definately a firm believer. Our medical community just

gives it a different name. Bottomline any cell that ferments,

compromises the immune system at the same time attacking every organ

and blood cell, is cancer. They can call it whatever they want.

KC

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> I just stumbled across this and I thought it was relevant..

>

> J Occup Environ Hyg. <javascript:AL_get(this, 'jour', 'J Occup

Environ

> Hyg.');> 2004 Jul;1(7):442-7.

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>

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db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Karunasena+E%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Straus DC*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Straus+DC%22%

5BAuthor%5D>

> .

>

> Center for Indoor Air Research, Department of Microbiology and

Immunology,

> Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center, Lubbock, Texas

79430, USA.

> .@...

>

> This study examined the efficacy of the following treatments to

reduce

> selected fungal spore and mycotoxin levels on materials commonly

found in

> home contents: (1) gamma irradiation at a 10-13 kiloGray exposure,

(2) a

> detergent/bleach wash, and (3) a steam cleaning technique. A

minimum of six

> replicates were performed per treatment. Paper, cloth, wood, and

carpet were

> inoculated with either fungal spores (Stachybotrys chartarum,

Aspergillus

> niger, Penicillium chrysogenum, or Chaetomium globosum) at 240,000

> spores/2.54 cm2 of material or with the mycotoxins roridin A, T-2,

and

> verrucarin A at 10 microg per 2.54 cm2 of material. Treatments were

> evaluated with an agar plating technique for fungal spores and a

yeast

> toxicity culture assay for mycotoxins. Results showed that gamma

irradiation

> inactivated fungal spores, but the treatment was not successful in

> inactivating mycotoxins. The washing technique completely

inactivated or

> removed spores on all materials except for C. globosum, which was

reduced on

> all items except paper (p < 0.05). Washing inactivated all

mycotoxins on

> paper and cloth but not on carpet or untreated wood (p < 0.001).

The steam

> cleaning treatment did not completely eliminate any fungal spores;

however,

> it reduced P. chrysogenum numbers on all materials, C. globosum

was reduced

> on wood and carpet, and S. chartarum was reduced on wood (p <

0.05). Steam

> cleaning was unsuccessful in inactivating any of the tested

mycotoxins.

> These results show that the bleach/detergent washing technique was

more

> effective overall in reducing spore and mycotoxin levels than gamma

> irradiation or steam cleaning. However, the other examined

techniques were

> successful in varying degrees. Copyright 2004 JOEH, LLC

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My computor and TV got tossed, then I cross contaminated a computor

that my brother gave me, and the monitor my sister gave me, they are

going when I move. The books I hepa vacummed and stored- they are in

my shed now I will ozonate them, they were stored for 1 year- now

they will get blasted, along with everything else I did not toss or

sell- allot of people will not have this level of contamination- and

will not have to go to these extremes-

-- In , Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:

>

> , What did you do about the books & files which is my concern

(as well as computers now). Did they not have mold on them? Loni

>

> carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: -All the things that I

attempted to clean, except for some books and

> files, had been thoughly washed. i don't think I had a big spore

> problem, just mycotoxin- as i said- I do not recomend it for

trying

> to kill a mols colony- just the mycotoxin that is so dificult to

> clean any other way. I bought an air zone. You don't want it too

> strong or it can damage items- just use it longer if necessary- it

> is important that the area be sealed so no air gets in or out.

> karen

> -- In , Loni Rosser <loni326@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I wanted to do that in a seperate room or even A storage area

but

> How strong doe the ozonater have to be? The sales adds on the

> internet I don't trust. I read that one that put out 100-500 ppm

> should kill mold. I ordered a packet from EPA. Do you think it

would

> kill mold on paper if I opened file drawers up? I remember the

couch

> incident-that was horrible. I can't see me soaking items in

bleach.

> Thanks for the input. I want to purchase the right one. Loni

> >

> > carondeen <kdeanstudios@> wrote:

> > Yes, I had a powerfull ozonator that I used to try and kill

the

> > moldy mess hiding in couches that my husband had brought into

our

> > antique shop- the ozone may or may not have killed the ozone-

but

> > overnight it released enough toxin to almost kill me and

> contaminate

> > everything. I have been using an ozonator in a separate- closed

> off

> > room in my rental for a year- and it definitly de-contaminated

> > everything very well except for things in closed boxes. The walk

> in

> > closet I used for UV light experiments-It destroyed most things

> > except metal- soaking in very strong bleach worked, but also

wears

> > everything out and makes it white- and was not as good as ozone--

> The

> > vulpex soap in de-natured alcohol worked well also- a long soak

of

> > dark clothes in Vulpex worked OK- but is expensive.

> > - In , Loni Rosser <loni326@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > , You say that ozone was responsible for contaminating

your

> > belongings. Then you say it was best way to decontaminate your

> > belongings? How powerful does an ozonater half to be to kill

mold?

> I

> > guess you put them in a seperate area. Loni

> > >

> > > carondeen <kdeanstudios@> wrote: Replying to my own question-

> > Calcium hydroxide is a type of lime,

> > > used in making drugs like cocaine- makes me wonder if big

> brother

> > is

> > > taging my google searches- the monoethlamine part I can't get

> > > figured out but if adds to the lists of articles I have read

> that

> > > different cleaning techniques are necessary for different

> > mycotoxins-

> > > what will clean mine will not clean yours for sure

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I find this very interesting- with reguards my many

> experiments

> > in

> > > > cleaning my belongings. Where ozone was partly responsible

for

> > > > contaminating many belonging when I tried to kill the mold

> with

> > > > ozone, thus causing a massive mycotoxin release, ozone

> treatment

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Having read most of this before in my long search to de-contaminate

my belongings from mycotoxin, not spores, the gist is the same,

spores are easy to wash off, mycotoxins are hard to get rid of- and

different mycotoxins react very differently to various cleaning

techniques- therfor my mycos cleaning is not the same for your mycos

cleaning- I just wish remediators would read these kind of articles

before they sell people a pricey remediation job. And Mr Quack- this

is why I keep telling you that no matter what your landlord does- it

may not make the apartment suitable for you to live in healthily

again

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> I just stumbled across this and I thought it was relevant..

>

> J Occup Environ Hyg. <javascript:AL_get(this, 'jour', 'J Occup

Environ

> Hyg.');> 2004 Jul;1(7):442-7.

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Display & dopt=pubmed_pubmed & from_uid=15238314 & tool=Exter

nalSearch>

>

> *An investigation into techniques for cleaning mold-contaminated

home

> contents.*

>

> * SC*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22+SC%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Brasel TL*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Brasel+TL%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Carriker CG*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Carriker+CG%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Fortenberry GD*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Fortenberry+GD%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Fogle MR*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Fogle+MR%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> * JM*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22+JM%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Wu C*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Wu+C%22%5BAuthor%

5D>,

> *Andriychuk LA*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Andriychuk+LA%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Karunasena E*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Karunasena+E%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Straus DC*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Straus+DC%22%

5BAuthor%5D>

> .

>

> Center for Indoor Air Research, Department of Microbiology and

Immunology,

> Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center, Lubbock, Texas

79430, USA.

> .@...

>

> This study examined the efficacy of the following treatments to

reduce

> selected fungal spore and mycotoxin levels on materials commonly

found in

> home contents: (1) gamma irradiation at a 10-13 kiloGray exposure,

(2) a

> detergent/bleach wash, and (3) a steam cleaning technique. A

minimum of six

> replicates were performed per treatment. Paper, cloth, wood, and

carpet were

> inoculated with either fungal spores (Stachybotrys chartarum,

Aspergillus

> niger, Penicillium chrysogenum, or Chaetomium globosum) at 240,000

> spores/2.54 cm2 of material or with the mycotoxins roridin A, T-2,

and

> verrucarin A at 10 microg per 2.54 cm2 of material. Treatments were

> evaluated with an agar plating technique for fungal spores and a

yeast

> toxicity culture assay for mycotoxins. Results showed that gamma

irradiation

> inactivated fungal spores, but the treatment was not successful in

> inactivating mycotoxins. The washing technique completely

inactivated or

> removed spores on all materials except for C. globosum, which was

reduced on

> all items except paper (p < 0.05). Washing inactivated all

mycotoxins on

> paper and cloth but not on carpet or untreated wood (p < 0.001).

The steam

> cleaning treatment did not completely eliminate any fungal spores;

however,

> it reduced P. chrysogenum numbers on all materials, C. globosum

was reduced

> on wood and carpet, and S. chartarum was reduced on wood (p <

0.05). Steam

> cleaning was unsuccessful in inactivating any of the tested

mycotoxins.

> These results show that the bleach/detergent washing technique was

more

> effective overall in reducing spore and mycotoxin levels than gamma

> irradiation or steam cleaning. However, the other examined

techniques were

> successful in varying degrees. Copyright 2004 JOEH, LLC

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Re: our situation..

If you want to know the truth, now they are trying to evict us, as WE are,

to them, obviously the problem.. They are making fun of us on the mold..

sending us taunting letters asking us when we will be gone.. (They like the

mold..it is their friend.)

Their real motive is (surprise) getting us out (we live under rent control)

and getting someone else in, who will pay probably around $700 more a

month.. (we have a two bedroom, with a parking space as well and the going

rate around here for them both together now would typically be over $2300)

$2k for the apartment, and $300 - for the parking space..

Got the picture?

We have started looking for other places, but basically, if we move, we will

only be able to afford a studio on our income.. a $1500 studio.. Thats what

rents are around here..

*High*