Re: Chelation Death Question

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Did I miss something? Does anyone KNOW it was an allergic reaction? Seems implausible as this was the third treatment he received. You can become allergic to anything anytime, but it is unlikely. Did someone conclusively say that it was due to an allergy?

Chelation Death Question

Like everyone else I have been so saddened by the news and have been extremely concerned since.My question is how are we to know if our child will have an allergic reaction to anything we do, assuming that is what happened, I will be starting MB12 this week and I realise it isn't IV but all the same I am now filled with a lot more fear than before this sad event. Recent posting on Mercury site states a listmate wouldn't inject anything even MB12, I would reply there were it not for my e-mailbouncing.Vicky

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In a message dated 26/08/2005 18:13:31 GMT Daylight Time, MaddiganV@... writes:

My question is how are we to know if our child will have an allergic reaction to anything we do, assuming that is what happened, I will be starting MB12 this week and I realise it isn't IV but all the same I am now filled with a lot more fear than before this sad event.

>>>Unfortunately, we don;t know if or when this might happen. Allergy to Penicillin can kill ( A bee could sting you tomorrow...........

I used oral MB12 before we did the shots. They don't have preservatives in. If you get it in the right place - make sure your angle is very low - then they aren't getting a massive dose, they get the slow leaching effect we are looking for.

If I hadn't already started them, I would be worried too, much more now than before...........

Mandi

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Yes Mandi that's just it, the bee sting analogy is correct, a lot of us feel our kids are in this position because they had something administered by a Doctor they were genetically predisposed against, so are already painfully aware of the consequences when it goes wrong.

I think most of us on reading the sad news could immediately imagine being in this absolutely dreadful situation, but at the same time it's between a rock and a hard place, we need to do everything we can to help our kids and not press the panic button but i must confess to feeling more than a little bit do I or don't I now.

Thanks

Vicky

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The Father is a specialist registrar in respiratory medicine at the Plymouth Hospitals NHS Trust thats as much as is public I think.

Vicky

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He is one of the most knowledgeable doctors in terms of EDTA chelation, he has a long history of treating patients with EDTA and has written many papers on EDTA and lead.hth,Jen> I hate to be so ignorant, but who is Dr. Gordon? I haven't heard of > him.> ~Sue> > > > Dear Health Care Professionals:> > You may soon read and hear the kind of hysteria and negative press> that I expected to see, but it will get FAR WORSE before it gets> better. As of this moment, I can only assume that there must have been> a substantial deviation from the standard procedures that I, and all> of you, have established for the safe administration of Calcium EDTA.> As incredible as it may seem to those of you belonging to this> discussion group, the possibility exists that the child was treated> with Disodium EDTA administered by IV Push. I am forced to consider> this unfortunate explanation unless there was some major undiagnosed> illness in the child that no one suspected, such as a major heart> defect or perhaps an aneurism that ruptured at the exact time the> patient was receiving the IV Push of Calcium EDTA. However, the> autopsy has been completed and the results were inconclusive so that> they have ordered additional tests, which may take up to 5 months to> complete. > > This means that there is no obvious explanation for the death of this> child. My fear is that if someone who is not knowledgeable in> chelation and has not learned that this is complex chemistry assumes,> for example, that all that they have to do to provide magnesium EDTA> or Calcium EDTA is just add either magnesium or calcium to a syringe> containing Disodium EDTA. > > We could have a serious problem because Disodium EDTA has a black box> warning about > rapid administration to children and simply adding something like> Calcium or Magnesium does not fully convert Disodium EDTA to Calcium> EDTA. Then there is also a problem with discomfort, if you tried to> give yourself an IV push of diluted Disodium EDTA the pain could be> extreme so you might wind up increasing the dose of Lidocaine and> again we can get into problems with the heart if too much of a "caine"> if given intravenously. > > So let's look at the big picture, there are NO DEATHS occurring when> EDTA, either calcium or Disodium are PROPERLY administered. Now the> media will try to make chelation out to be fraudulent and the tests> that we do to measure lead etc as being meaningless. Amazingly they> will bring out Quack buster Barrett who with a little more effort we> may be able to one day put behind bars for his lies and incompetence. > > Thus I have to conclude some error in rate of administration, dosage,> method of preparation probably occurred; in fact, I now believe this> is most likely rather than administering the correct drug, Calcium> EDTA, intravenously, which even in children is safe > and effective. > > Doctors who have been providing this treatment to children can hardly> stop talking about the remarkable successes they have been witnessing> with children responding far more rapidly than > we could ever do with just the oral Calcium EDTA that I have been> advocating for so long.> > We know that worldwide sales of all forms of EDTA have been steadily> increasing and that based on logical calculations it appears that well> over 10 million patients have been safely treated with either Calcium> or Disodium EDTA over the past 32+ years without a single documented> fatality, as long as the established protocols were followed. All the> evidence to date that EDTA is perhaps the safest therapy offered in> medicine, outside of placebos. > > To my knowledge, EDTA has been safely administered for nearly 50 years> with the only deaths occurring in the beginning, with terminal cancer> patients suffering uncontrolled hypercalcemia where inappropriate> doses of Disodium EDTA were administered by rapid infusion to patients> with known compromised renal status. > > With the extensive proof now existing that everyone today has nearly> 1000 times too much lead in their bones and Harvard publishing that> this bone lead will compromise vision there can be no argument that we> all have some heavy metal toxicity. Then once we conclude that> government cannot stop the mercury, cadmium, lead etc from going in> the air, and thus into everyone anywhere on earth, then it becomes a> matter of personal choice, live with these heavy metals or remove> them. Oral chelation is clearly necessary since bone lead will take 10> years to turn over for the average adult, but some of us want results> NOW. Nothing is as effective as the 147 fold increase in lead> excretion over base line that IV Calcium EDTA, PROPERLY FORMULATED,> was documented to induce by Doctors Data with the help of Dr> Whitaker's staff. > > Thus I must extend my sympathy to the family of the deceased> 5-year-old boy from Nigeria whose brave mother came to the Pittsburg> area from the United Kingdom to seek treatment for her autistic child.> She was seeing clear improvements in her son. This was the third> infusion he had received. He apparently had a cardiac arrest and was> unable to be resuscitated immediately following this third infusion of> what I fear was not Calcium EDTA, which is the ONLY form of EDTA that> I have advocated for the exciting rapid infusion technique. > > I hope those who have experience with it in their practice are NOT> GOING TO STOP USING it that you have the "rest of the story", as best> as we can establish it at this time. Please understand that the> involved doctors cannot be expected to admit anything on advice of> their attorneys. I have only checked to see if they have ever> purchased Calcium EDTA and found the answer was ?no??. leading me to> compose this email in an attempt to diminish the harm that the media> will do to everyone who otherwise could have been receiving oral and> or IV chelation and will now be afraid.> > This email may be copied and handed to your patients in an effort to> meet the need for a fully informed consent.> > Sincerely,> > Garry F. Gordon MD, DO, MD(H)> President, Gordon Research Institute> www.gordonresearch.com

Chelation Death Question

Like everyone else I have been so saddened by the news and have been extremely concerned since.My question is how are we to know if our child will have an allergic reaction to anything we do, assuming that is what happened, I will be starting MB12 this week and I realise it isn't IV but all the same I am now filled with a lot more fear than before this sad event. Recent posting on Mercury site states a listmate wouldn't inject anything even MB12, I would reply there were it not for my e-mailbouncing.Vicky

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Does anyone know who these parents are. I really would like to send them a card.

Jane

Re: Chelation Death Question

Yes Mandi that's just it, the bee sting analogy is correct, a lot of us feel our kids are in this position because they had something administered by a Doctor they were genetically predisposed against, so are already painfully aware of the consequences when it goes wrong.

I think most of us on reading the sad news could immediately imagine being in this absolutely dreadful situation, but at the same time it's between a rock and a hard place, we need to do everything we can to help our kids and not press the panic button but i must confess to feeling more than a little bit do I or don't I now.

Thanks

Vicky

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My gut is telling me this poor boy didn't have an allergic reaction. I keep thinking about what Devin said yesterday about EDTA seriously and swiftly depleting Calcium and Magnesium, if that happens the heart stops, And Gordon is saying the type of EDTA for these IV's is very specific, he is saying it has to be Calcium EDTA.

Wonderlabs caps which is what I have been using, doesn;t specify thats its Calcium EDTA, it just says its not Magnesium EDTA which is apparently used in agriculture.

Hmmmmmmmm. I seem to be dealing with this by questioning the EDTA as much as the route of administration. I don;t think any of this has really hit me properly yet. Last week I was trying hard to get Dr Heard to do this in the UK (they do IV drips for heart issues but not IV push).................making me shudder now

Mandi x

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His name is on the press reports, perhaps cards sent to the family c/o

the hospital where he has been working would be inobtrusive but let

them know how much we're all thinking about them.

> The Father is a specialist registrar in respiratory medicine at the

Plymouth

> Hospitals NHS Trust thats as much as is public I think.

> Vicky

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Anyone know anything about the rumours that this child may have had a

reaction to ritalin? Was he taking ritalin?

> > The Father is a specialist registrar in respiratory medicine at

the

> Plymouth

> > Hospitals NHS Trust thats as much as is public I think.

> > Vicky