Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 I have seen the effects of mycotoxins listed as causing " metabolic chaos " and even " death " There are so many mycotoxins that its hard to generalize.. Cytotoxic mycotoxins (mycotoxins that kill cells) will kill or damage cells they come into contact with, first in the lungs, sinuses, eyes and skin, then in the parts of the body that come into contact with blood.. especially organs like the liver and kidneys that metabolize some of the mycotoxins.. They can cause brain lesions, its now appearing, causing all sorts of problems.. They can also lower neurotransmitters, like dopamine and serotonin, probably causing things like depression and ADHD, and perhaps structural changes in the brain over time. All of the things I just said, really apply mostly to adults.. In children, whose bodies and especially brains are growing, these effects can be different.. in all probability much worse.. There is a website, mycotoxicosis.com where there are lists of known symptoms of three of the best known of the many mycotoxin groups.. On 1/16/06, <dizzyblonde.kathy@...> wrote: > Hi all > Is there a list of mold poisoning symptoms anywhere on this list? > Ours include: itchy eyes, nose throat. post nasal drip, crusted and > gooey eyes, shortness of breath, bad dizziness and light headedness, > head aches, aching chest at times, exhaustion,coughing, sneezing, > unexplained sores and rashes etc. > Does the health dept ever intervene in situations? > We rent and our landlord says he has never heard of mold poisoning > before and is not interested in fixing anything even though we've had > bad water damage from upstairs neighbors several time in the last year > and you can see black mold in the bathroom and kitchen. > All they say is " spray bleach on it " which I know is ineffective. > Thanks all > Kathy > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Kathy, Yrs.There is also another list on www.mold-help.org SYMPTOMS 1. Cold and Flulike symptoms More frequent and hang on longer than a regular flu/cold 2. Sinus infections - that will not go away after 3 months (Confirmed by the Mayo Clinic) 3. Itchy eyes and/or sore throat 4. Bronchitis, asthma attacks, allergies Appears to cause them to be more severe and more frequent than usual 5. Hard to breath Unlike an asthma attack, can not fill lungs up with enough air 6. General feeling of malays Just do not feel quite right, like you may be coming down with something 7. Tightness in the chest Almost like you are having a heart attack. Sharpe stabbing pain 8. Pneumonia 9. Coughing up blood Dark in color, dried, can be in chunks 10. Nosebleeds Unexplained, very frequent, uncontrollable 11. Vomiting Unable to keep most foods down, frequent 12. Diarrehea Frequent 13. Dizziness Equalibrium/off balance, fainting 14. Rapid heartbeat Abnormal heartbeat, skip, flutter,pain 15. Thirsty all the time 16. Unusual weight gain - women more than men Bloating, almost like you are several months pregnant 17. Mood Swings/Altering/Personality changes Due to chemical imbalance of the brain 18. Hair loss or thinning (eyelashes, eyebrows also) 19. Loosing or breaking of teeth 20. Acid Reflux/Pain and lump in the solarplex area (stomach) Especially after eating, takes several hours to disappear. Painful, rock hard 21. " Zoned out feeling " , like being drugged 22. Unable to concentrate/brain fog/Unable to Multitask At times like the brain shuts down its thought process, unable to remember how to do the simplist tasks 23. Vision Blurring Unable to vocus, distorted 24. Pressure behind eyes Like something is pushing behind the eye, painful 25. Fatigue/Fibromyalgia Pain or numbness in extremities 26. Persistant Headaches (headpain) Worse than a migraine. Intense, Will not respond to pain medications. Normally located in temporal area and base of skull 27. Numbness in either temple,Discoloration. Numbness in face. Can lead to a misdiagnosis of Bells Palsy. 28. Short and/or long term memory problems/ADD/ADHD Short term more severe, unable to remember common things, ie writing out check,color of car, how to cook,etc. Long term seems to be affected for a short deration 29. Pressure in ear(s) Painful, like you have water or something stuck deep within the ear 30. Bleeding from ears or clear fluid. Some have bleeding under finger nails. Unexplained 31. Strokelike episodes Mimics a stroke, does not show up on normal testing 32. Hands and/or feet swelling Painful 33. Sweating/sick feeling, sporadic fevers Due to the toxins being released from the fatty tissue into the blood stream 34. Itching and/or burning rash/hives Not relieved with medications. Like acid has been poured on the skin, scarring. Some have constant itching. 35. Constant kidney pain Due to the kidneys being over taxed by toxins 36. Urine turning brown or has a musty odor Turning into severe liver/kidney problems 37. Chemical Sensitivity Perfumes, hairsprays and household products, can be very severe 38. Moles & skin tags (all of a sudden appearing) 39. Lumps and/or sores on scalp That do not go away, painful to touch 40. Lymph nodes swelling in various parts of the body, ie: at base of skull, chest, neck, underarms, etc. Due to buildup of toxins in system 41. Problems with menstration (discoloration) 42. Blood in stool 43. Hearing lose 44. Tremors/spasms, seizures 45. Change in sleep patterns 46. Metallic taste in mouth Can contribute to: Immune Disorders SIDS Cirrossis of the liver Permanent kidney and/or spleen damage Cancer Permanent Lung Damage If left untreated or undetected could cause:DEATH The type of symptoms and severity will depend on length of exposure, types of mold/mycotoxins exposed to. Also, the strength of your immune system. Even a healthy immune system can and will be weakened. When you disrupt the immune system and central nervous system this allows anything to take hold. The list of adverse health effects goes on.. as the victums that are poisoned, try to survive after exposure. We tried putting the symptoms in the order that they may appear. Not everyone will experience all of these symptoms and they do not all appear during the initial exposure, some take several months to a year before they appear. Produced by more than 300 species of filamentous fungi Chronic effects of common mycotoxins Aflatoxin: Liver cancer, lung cancer Citrinin: Kidney and respiratory disease Citroviridin: Neurotoxic / brain disease Gliotoxin: Lung disease Ochratoxin: Kidney and liver disorders Patulin: Lung hemorrhage and brain disease Satratoxin: Neurotoxic / brain disease Trichothecenes: Immune suppression, skin disease, respiratory disorders, birth defects, organ damage Zearalenone: Altered immune system, damage to reproductive organs Would you please define for me the difference between being allergic > to mold vs. suffering from toxicity? Date: 12-01-2001 01:08 You have asked an excellent and difficult question. I will answer it from a clinical point of view from my own experiences, from experience gained by discussing symptoms with those afflicted and from my reading of the literature. Allergic symptoms to mold would include sneezing; a running and itchy nose; watering and itching of the eyes; nasal stuffiness; respiratory symptoms such as wheezing and coughing, especially in asthmatics; itching of the skin. Toxic symptoms are due to mycotoxins on the mold spores. They can include: memory loss ; attention deficit/concentration problems ; personality changes such as irritability or depression; neurological disorders such as tremors; tingling or burning of nose, mouth; chronic fatigue; dizziness; nausea/vomiting; bleeding in the lungs; suppression of the immune system; headache; flu-like symptoms; red eyes (without watering or itching); incoordination; muscle spasms and cramps; damage to internal organs. Toxic symptoms from these mycotoxins have similarities to toxic symptoms from poisoning. Stachybotrys spores produce multiple mycotoxins, including trichothecenes. Trichothecenes have been produced commercially for use in biological warfare. These are strong neurotoxins. Mycotoxins are nearly all cytotoxic, disrupting various cellular structures such as membranes, and interfering with vital cellular processes such as protein, RNA and DNA synthesis If you were to meet a person suffering from allergy to mold, that person would most likely complain of symptoms similar to those of `hay fever'. Those symptoms are detailed above under " allergic symptoms " . The symptoms would most likely be described as annoying (with varying degrees of annoyance); they would not, however, be described as devastating. Their symptoms would be rather straight forward , easily observable and easily understandable. If you were to meet a person suffering from toxicity due to mold mycotoxins, your first impression might be that the person is affected by a mental problem. Your first thought might be that the person would be best off consulting a psychiatrist or a psychologist. The person might have a lot of vague symptoms – symptoms way out of proportion to what you could observe – symptoms that might be difficult for the affected person to explain and for you to understand. But, the underling theme, if you listened carefully, would be that of toxicity. Most likely the toxic person would complain of extreme fatigue, weakness, tiredness, flu-like symptoms, and often respiratory problems: but not usually coughing or wheezing. Instead, he/she would complain of terrible burning or soreness in his/her lungs, possibly aggravated with exertion or exercise. And, instead of telling you that the experience was one of annoyance (to a lesser or greater degree) as allergy sufferers would tell you, the toxic sufferer would more likely describe her/his experience as a hellish nightmare. The toxic sufferer's behavior would more likely be that of a frantic effort to get away from the contaminated source and an almost paranoiac effort to rid themselves of contaminated materials. This is in stark contrast to the allergic sufferer who would most likely find the offending mold to be more of a nuisance rather than a substance sent from hell. I hope this will be of help to you. ph P. Klein, Sr., M.D. > > Hi all > Is there a list of mold poisoning symptoms anywhere on this list? > Ours include: itchy eyes, nose throat. post nasal drip, crusted and > gooey eyes, shortness of breath, bad dizziness and light headedness, > head aches, aching chest at times, exhaustion,coughing, sneezing, > unexplained sores and rashes etc. > Does the health dept ever intervene in situations? > We rent and our landlord says he has never heard of mold poisoning > before and is not interested in fixing anything even though we've had > bad water damage from upstairs neighbors several time in the last year > and you can see black mold in the bathroom and kitchen. > All they say is " spray bleach on it " which I know is ineffective. > Thanks all > Kathy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Ooops, YES > > > > Hi all > > Is there a list of mold poisoning symptoms anywhere on this list? > > Ours include: itchy eyes, nose throat. post nasal drip, crusted > and > > gooey eyes, shortness of breath, bad dizziness and light > headedness, > > head aches, aching chest at times, exhaustion,coughing, sneezing, > > unexplained sores and rashes etc. > > Does the health dept ever intervene in situations? > > We rent and our landlord says he has never heard of mold > poisoning > > before and is not interested in fixing anything even though we've > had > > bad water damage from upstairs neighbors several time in the last > year > > and you can see black mold in the bathroom and kitchen. > > All they say is " spray bleach on it " which I know is ineffective. > > Thanks all > > Kathy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 WOW, Kathy, we have almost all of those symptoms you have mentioned plus sore throat, burning skin if it touches contaminated stuff and I have been really struggling with opening card board boxes that were stored away in our garage for more than a year. After I go thru one box, I am totally exhausted and get dizzy. Jay <dizzyblonde.kathy@...> wrote: Hi all Is there a list of mold poisoning symptoms anywhere on this list? Ours include: itchy eyes, nose throat. post nasal drip, crusted and gooey eyes, shortness of breath, bad dizziness and light headedness, head aches, aching chest at times, exhaustion,coughing, sneezing, unexplained sores and rashes etc. Does the health dept ever intervene in situations? We rent and our landlord says he has never heard of mold poisoning before and is not interested in fixing anything even though we've had bad water damage from upstairs neighbors several time in the last year and you can see black mold in the bathroom and kitchen. All they say is " spray bleach on it " which I know is ineffective. Thanks all Kathy FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Thank you all so much for all the replpies. I am looking thru them now! Kathy > > > > Hi all > > Is there a list of mold poisoning symptoms anywhere on this list? > > Ours include: itchy eyes, nose throat. post nasal drip, crusted > and > > gooey eyes, shortness of breath, bad dizziness and light > headedness, > > head aches, aching chest at times, exhaustion,coughing, sneezing, > > unexplained sores and rashes etc. > > Does the health dept ever intervene in situations? > > We rent and our landlord says he has never heard of mold > poisoning > > before and is not interested in fixing anything even though we've > had > > bad water damage from upstairs neighbors several time in the last > year > > and you can see black mold in the bathroom and kitchen. > > All they say is " spray bleach on it " which I know is ineffective. > > Thanks all > > Kathy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 , Since nobody else has mentioned it, you need to move out of that place ASAP. You can think of it as beingl slowly poisoned. Tell the landlord you will get a lawyer and sue for mold poisoning if he doesn't let you out of the lease! Good luck, Judi --- <dizzyblonde.kathy@...> wrote: > Hi all > Is there a list of mold poisoning symptoms anywhere > on this list? > Ours include: itchy eyes, nose throat. post nasal > drip, crusted and > gooey eyes, shortness of breath, bad dizziness and > light headedness, > head aches, aching chest at times, > exhaustion,coughing, sneezing, > unexplained sores and rashes etc. > Does the health dept ever intervene in situations? > We rent and our landlord says he has never heard of > mold poisoning > before and is not interested in fixing anything even > though we've had > bad water damage from upstairs neighbors several > time in the last year > and you can see black mold in the bathroom and > kitchen. > All they say is " spray bleach on it " which I know > is ineffective. > Thanks all > Kathy > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Other ones.. I often get a burning, heated feeling in my skin on my face, ears and neck.. You can also see that I have a red face.. kind of a mask.. Blurry vision especially noticable at night - lasts several days after heavy exposure, but eventually goes away.. makes it difficult to read, focus on close things.. Ringing in the ears.. sometimes quite loud.. accompanies headaches.. tiredness, slowness of finding words.. memory problems.. Quickness to get carsick at the drop of a hat.. nausea, loss of appetite.. extreme fatigue. Pain in liver/kidney areas.. (upper center and right chest) Wounds heal very slowly, esp. ones that are in places where they get exposed to dust.. Sores.. Open bruises seem to last forever, problems on elbows, neck, nose area, ears, panty leg area on women.. (where clothes rub or in proximity to sinuses.. etc..) Frequent urination, inability to sleep normally, visual flickering in vision in complete darkness..(darkness is not completely dark.) Smells.. earthy smell, wet wood smell, dusty smell..ammonia-y smell.. Dulling of the sense of smell.. Nasal congestion.. sometimes lasting weeks without respite.. (I have found that chewable digestive enzyme tablets left to dissolve in the back of the mouth.. head tilted back, sometimes helps open up the estuchian tubes with this) Rashes on chest.. sometimes with red spots.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Hi I know we need to move. Thanks for caring. It's hard to find places here in Hawaii but we are trying. Thanks for your concern. Kathy > > > Hi all > > Is there a list of mold poisoning symptoms anywhere > > on this list? > > Ours include: itchy eyes, nose throat. post nasal > > drip, crusted and > > gooey eyes, shortness of breath, bad dizziness and > > light headedness, > > head aches, aching chest at times, > > exhaustion,coughing, sneezing, > > unexplained sores and rashes etc. > > Does the health dept ever intervene in situations? > > We rent and our landlord says he has never heard of > > mold poisoning > > before and is not interested in fixing anything even > > though we've had > > bad water damage from upstairs neighbors several > > time in the last year > > and you can see black mold in the bathroom and > > kitchen. > > All they say is " spray bleach on it " which I know > > is ineffective. > > Thanks all > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 asthma, Mcs and joints hurt so bad you cant move...accelerated other allergies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Quack, are you listing your symptoms, or only mold symptoms in general? > > Other ones.. > > I often get a burning, heated feeling in my skin on my face, ears and neck.. > > You can also see that I have a red face.. kind of a mask.. > > Blurry vision especially noticable at night - lasts several days after > heavy exposure, but eventually goes away.. makes it difficult to read, > focus on close things.. > > Ringing in the ears.. sometimes quite loud.. accompanies headaches.. > tiredness, slowness of finding words.. memory problems.. > > Quickness to get carsick at the drop of a hat.. nausea, loss of > appetite.. extreme fatigue. Pain in liver/kidney areas.. (upper center > and right chest) > > Wounds heal very slowly, esp. ones that are in places where they get > exposed to dust.. Sores.. > > Open bruises seem to last forever, problems on elbows, neck, nose > area, ears, panty leg area on women.. (where clothes rub or in > proximity to sinuses.. etc..) > > Frequent urination, inability to sleep normally, visual flickering in > vision in complete darkness..(darkness is not completely dark.) > > Smells.. earthy smell, wet wood smell, dusty smell..ammonia-y smell.. > > Dulling of the sense of smell.. Nasal congestion.. sometimes lasting > weeks without respite.. > (I have found that chewable digestive enzyme tablets left to dissolve > in the back of the mouth.. head tilted back, sometimes helps open up > the estuchian tubes with this) > > Rashes on chest.. sometimes with red spots.. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 I get that hot feeling in my face and ears and my face turns bright red, and I get gooey stuff in my eyes upon waking. My husband has the sores on his hands and neck. We all have rashes and red burning in the area you mentioned. I have difficulty finishin g a sentence ( can't think of the words or have to catch my breath sometimes) Not sure I mentioned those before... Thankfully we are renting and are looking for another place. > > Other ones.. > > I often get a burning, heated feeling in my skin on my face, ears and neck.. > > You can also see that I have a red face.. kind of a mask.. > > Blurry vision especially noticable at night - lasts several days after > heavy exposure, but eventually goes away.. makes it difficult to read, > focus on close things.. > > Ringing in the ears.. sometimes quite loud.. accompanies headaches.. > tiredness, slowness of finding words.. memory problems.. > > Quickness to get carsick at the drop of a hat.. nausea, loss of > appetite.. extreme fatigue. Pain in liver/kidney areas.. (upper center > and right chest) > > Wounds heal very slowly, esp. ones that are in places where they get > exposed to dust.. Sores.. > > Open bruises seem to last forever, problems on elbows, neck, nose > area, ears, panty leg area on women.. (where clothes rub or in > proximity to sinuses.. etc..) > > Frequent urination, inability to sleep normally, visual flickering in > vision in complete darkness..(darkness is not completely dark.) > > Smells.. earthy smell, wet wood smell, dusty smell..ammonia-y smell.. > > Dulling of the sense of smell.. Nasal congestion.. sometimes lasting > weeks without respite.. > (I have found that chewable digestive enzyme tablets left to dissolve > in the back of the mouth.. head tilted back, sometimes helps open up > the estuchian tubes with this) > > Rashes on chest.. sometimes with red spots.. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 That is interesting about the red face, neck etc. I have that too and thought I was having hotflashes from hormones. Now I don't know which is causing it. Rhonda > > > > Other ones.. > > > > I often get a burning, heated feeling in my skin on my face, ears > and neck.. > > > > You can also see that I have a red face.. kind of a mask.. > > > > Blurry vision especially noticable at night - lasts several days > after > > heavy exposure, but eventually goes away.. makes it difficult to > read, > > focus on close things.. > > > > Ringing in the ears.. sometimes quite loud.. accompanies > headaches.. > > tiredness, slowness of finding words.. memory problems.. > > > > Quickness to get carsick at the drop of a hat.. nausea, loss of > > appetite.. extreme fatigue. Pain in liver/kidney areas.. (upper > center > > and right chest) > > > > Wounds heal very slowly, esp. ones that are in places where they > get > > exposed to dust.. Sores.. > > > > Open bruises seem to last forever, problems on elbows, neck, nose > > area, ears, panty leg area on women.. (where clothes rub or in > > proximity to sinuses.. etc..) > > > > Frequent urination, inability to sleep normally, visual flickering > in > > vision in complete darkness..(darkness is not completely dark.) > > > > Smells.. earthy smell, wet wood smell, dusty smell..ammonia-y > smell.. > > > > Dulling of the sense of smell.. Nasal congestion.. sometimes > lasting > > weeks without respite.. > > (I have found that chewable digestive enzyme tablets left to > dissolve > > in the back of the mouth.. head tilted back, sometimes helps open > up > > the estuchian tubes with this) > > > > Rashes on chest.. sometimes with red spots.. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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