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I have seen the effects of mycotoxins listed as causing " metabolic

chaos " and even " death "

There are so many mycotoxins that its hard to generalize.. Cytotoxic

mycotoxins (mycotoxins that kill cells) will kill or damage cells they

come into contact with, first in the lungs, sinuses, eyes and skin,

then in the parts of the body that come into contact with blood..

especially organs like the liver and kidneys that metabolize some of

the mycotoxins..

They can cause brain lesions, its now appearing, causing all sorts of

problems.. They can also lower neurotransmitters, like dopamine and

serotonin, probably causing things like depression and ADHD, and

perhaps structural changes in the brain over time.

All of the things I just said, really apply mostly to adults.. In

children, whose bodies and especially brains are growing, these

effects can be different.. in all probability much worse..

There is a website, mycotoxicosis.com where there are lists of known

symptoms of three of the best known of the many mycotoxin groups..

On 1/16/06, <dizzyblonde.kathy@...> wrote:

> Hi all

> Is there a list of mold poisoning symptoms anywhere on this list?

> Ours include: itchy eyes, nose throat. post nasal drip, crusted and

> gooey eyes, shortness of breath, bad dizziness and light headedness,

> head aches, aching chest at times, exhaustion,coughing, sneezing,

> unexplained sores and rashes etc.

> Does the health dept ever intervene in situations?

> We rent and our landlord says he has never heard of mold poisoning

> before and is not interested in fixing anything even though we've had

> bad water damage from upstairs neighbors several time in the last year

> and you can see black mold in the bathroom and kitchen.

> All they say is " spray bleach on it " which I know is ineffective.

> Thanks all

> Kathy

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Kathy,

Yrs.There is also another list on www.mold-help.org

SYMPTOMS

1. Cold and Flulike symptoms

More frequent and hang on longer than a regular flu/cold

2. Sinus infections - that will not go away after 3 months

(Confirmed by the Mayo Clinic)

3. Itchy eyes and/or sore throat

4. Bronchitis, asthma attacks, allergies

Appears to cause them to be more severe and more frequent than usual

5. Hard to breath

Unlike an asthma attack, can not fill lungs up with enough air

6. General feeling of malays

Just do not feel quite right, like you may be coming down with

something

7. Tightness in the chest

Almost like you are having a heart attack. Sharpe stabbing pain

8. Pneumonia

9. Coughing up blood

Dark in color, dried, can be in chunks

10. Nosebleeds

Unexplained, very frequent, uncontrollable

11. Vomiting

Unable to keep most foods down, frequent

12. Diarrehea

Frequent

13. Dizziness

Equalibrium/off balance, fainting

14. Rapid heartbeat

Abnormal heartbeat, skip, flutter,pain

15. Thirsty all the time

16. Unusual weight gain - women more than men

Bloating, almost like you are several months pregnant

17. Mood Swings/Altering/Personality changes

Due to chemical imbalance of the brain

18. Hair loss or thinning (eyelashes, eyebrows also)

19. Loosing or breaking of teeth

20. Acid Reflux/Pain and lump in the solarplex area (stomach)

Especially after eating, takes several hours to disappear. Painful,

rock hard

21. " Zoned out feeling " , like being drugged

22. Unable to concentrate/brain fog/Unable to Multitask

At times like the brain shuts down its thought process, unable to

remember how to do the simplist tasks

23. Vision Blurring

Unable to vocus, distorted

24. Pressure behind eyes

Like something is pushing behind the eye, painful

25. Fatigue/Fibromyalgia

Pain or numbness in extremities

26. Persistant Headaches (headpain)

Worse than a migraine. Intense, Will not respond to pain

medications. Normally located in temporal area and base of skull

27. Numbness in either temple,Discoloration. Numbness in face. Can

lead to a misdiagnosis of Bells Palsy.

28. Short and/or long term memory problems/ADD/ADHD

Short term more severe, unable to remember common things, ie writing

out check,color of car, how to cook,etc. Long term seems to be

affected for a short deration

29. Pressure in ear(s)

Painful, like you have water or something stuck deep within the ear

30. Bleeding from ears or clear fluid. Some have bleeding under

finger nails.

Unexplained

31. Strokelike episodes

Mimics a stroke, does not show up on normal testing

32. Hands and/or feet swelling

Painful

33. Sweating/sick feeling, sporadic fevers

Due to the toxins being released from the fatty tissue into the

blood stream

34. Itching and/or burning rash/hives

Not relieved with medications. Like acid has been poured on the

skin, scarring. Some have constant itching.

35. Constant kidney pain

Due to the kidneys being over taxed by toxins

36. Urine turning brown or has a musty odor

Turning into severe liver/kidney problems

37. Chemical Sensitivity

Perfumes, hairsprays and household products, can be very severe

38. Moles & skin tags (all of a sudden appearing)

39. Lumps and/or sores on scalp

That do not go away, painful to touch

40. Lymph nodes swelling in various parts of the body, ie: at base

of skull, chest, neck, underarms, etc.

Due to buildup of toxins in system

41. Problems with menstration (discoloration)

42. Blood in stool

43. Hearing lose

44. Tremors/spasms, seizures

45. Change in sleep patterns

46. Metallic taste in mouth

Can contribute to:

Immune Disorders

SIDS

Cirrossis of the liver

Permanent kidney and/or spleen damage

Cancer

Permanent Lung Damage

If left untreated or undetected could cause:DEATH

The type of symptoms and severity will depend on length of

exposure, types of mold/mycotoxins exposed to. Also, the strength

of your immune system. Even a healthy immune system can and will be

weakened. When you disrupt the immune system and central nervous

system this allows anything to take hold.

The list of adverse health effects goes on.. as the victums that are

poisoned, try to survive after exposure.

We tried putting the symptoms in the order that they may appear. Not

everyone will experience all of these symptoms and they do not all

appear during the initial exposure, some take several months to a

year before they appear.

Produced by more than 300 species of filamentous fungi

Chronic effects of common mycotoxins

Aflatoxin: Liver cancer, lung cancer

Citrinin: Kidney and respiratory disease

Citroviridin: Neurotoxic / brain disease

Gliotoxin: Lung disease

Ochratoxin: Kidney and liver disorders

Patulin: Lung hemorrhage and brain disease

Satratoxin: Neurotoxic / brain disease

Trichothecenes: Immune suppression, skin disease, respiratory

disorders, birth defects, organ damage

Zearalenone: Altered immune system, damage to reproductive organs

Would you please define for me the

difference between being allergic > to mold vs. suffering from

toxicity?

Date: 12-01-2001 01:08

You have asked an excellent and difficult question. I will answer it

from a clinical point of view from my own experiences, from

experience gained by discussing symptoms with those afflicted and

from my reading of the literature.

Allergic symptoms to mold would include sneezing; a running and

itchy

nose; watering and itching of the eyes; nasal stuffiness;

respiratory

symptoms such as wheezing and coughing, especially in asthmatics;

itching of the skin.

Toxic symptoms are due to mycotoxins on the mold spores. They can

include: memory loss ; attention deficit/concentration problems ;

personality changes such as irritability or depression; neurological

disorders such as tremors; tingling or burning of nose, mouth;

chronic fatigue; dizziness; nausea/vomiting; bleeding in the lungs;

suppression of the immune system; headache; flu-like symptoms; red

eyes (without watering or itching); incoordination; muscle spasms

and cramps; damage to internal organs. Toxic symptoms from these

mycotoxins have similarities to toxic symptoms from poisoning.

Stachybotrys spores produce multiple mycotoxins, including

trichothecenes. Trichothecenes have been produced commercially for

use in biological warfare. These are strong neurotoxins. Mycotoxins

are nearly all cytotoxic, disrupting various cellular structures

such

as membranes, and interfering with vital cellular processes such as

protein, RNA and DNA synthesis

If you were to meet a person suffering from allergy to mold, that

person would most likely complain of symptoms similar to those

of `hay fever'. Those symptoms are detailed above under " allergic

symptoms " . The symptoms would most likely be described as annoying

(with varying degrees of annoyance); they would not, however, be

described as devastating. Their symptoms would be rather straight

forward , easily observable and easily understandable.

If you were to meet a person suffering from toxicity due to mold

mycotoxins, your first impression might be that the person is

affected by a mental problem. Your first thought might be that the

person would be best off consulting a psychiatrist or a

psychologist. The person might have a lot of vague symptoms –

symptoms way out of proportion to what you could observe – symptoms

that might be difficult for the affected person to explain and for

you to understand. But, the underling theme, if you listened

carefully, would be that of toxicity. Most likely the toxic person

would complain of extreme fatigue, weakness, tiredness, flu-like

symptoms, and often respiratory problems: but not usually coughing

or

wheezing. Instead, he/she would complain of terrible burning or

soreness in his/her lungs, possibly aggravated with exertion or

exercise. And, instead of telling you that the experience was one of

annoyance (to a lesser or greater degree) as allergy sufferers would

tell you, the toxic sufferer would more likely describe her/his

experience as a hellish nightmare.

The toxic sufferer's behavior would more likely be that of a frantic

effort to get away from the contaminated source and an almost

paranoiac effort to rid themselves of contaminated materials. This

is in stark contrast to the allergic sufferer who would most likely

find the offending mold to be more of a nuisance rather than a

substance sent from hell.

I hope this will be of help to you.

ph P. Klein, Sr., M.D.

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> Hi all

> Is there a list of mold poisoning symptoms anywhere on this list?

> Ours include: itchy eyes, nose throat. post nasal drip, crusted

and

> gooey eyes, shortness of breath, bad dizziness and light

headedness,

> head aches, aching chest at times, exhaustion,coughing, sneezing,

> unexplained sores and rashes etc.

> Does the health dept ever intervene in situations?

> We rent and our landlord says he has never heard of mold

poisoning

> before and is not interested in fixing anything even though we've

had

> bad water damage from upstairs neighbors several time in the last

year

> and you can see black mold in the bathroom and kitchen.

> All they say is " spray bleach on it " which I know is ineffective.

> Thanks all

> Kathy

>

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Ooops,

YES

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> > Hi all

> > Is there a list of mold poisoning symptoms anywhere on this

list?

> > Ours include: itchy eyes, nose throat. post nasal drip, crusted

> and

> > gooey eyes, shortness of breath, bad dizziness and light

> headedness,

> > head aches, aching chest at times, exhaustion,coughing,

sneezing,

> > unexplained sores and rashes etc.

> > Does the health dept ever intervene in situations?

> > We rent and our landlord says he has never heard of mold

> poisoning

> > before and is not interested in fixing anything even though

we've

> had

> > bad water damage from upstairs neighbors several time in the

last

> year

> > and you can see black mold in the bathroom and kitchen.

> > All they say is " spray bleach on it " which I know is

ineffective.

> > Thanks all

> > Kathy

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WOW, Kathy, we have almost all of those symptoms you have mentioned plus sore

throat, burning skin if it touches contaminated stuff and I have been really

struggling with opening card board boxes that were stored away in our garage for

more than a year. After I go thru one box, I am totally exhausted and get dizzy.

Jay

<dizzyblonde.kathy@...> wrote:

Hi all

Is there a list of mold poisoning symptoms anywhere on this list?

Ours include: itchy eyes, nose throat. post nasal drip, crusted and

gooey eyes, shortness of breath, bad dizziness and light headedness,

head aches, aching chest at times, exhaustion,coughing, sneezing,

unexplained sores and rashes etc.

Does the health dept ever intervene in situations?

We rent and our landlord says he has never heard of mold poisoning

before and is not interested in fixing anything even though we've had

bad water damage from upstairs neighbors several time in the last year

and you can see black mold in the bathroom and kitchen.

All they say is " spray bleach on it " which I know is ineffective.

Thanks all

Kathy

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Thank you all so much for all the replpies. I am looking thru them

now!

Kathy

> >

> > Hi all

> > Is there a list of mold poisoning symptoms anywhere on this

list?

> > Ours include: itchy eyes, nose throat. post nasal drip, crusted

> and

> > gooey eyes, shortness of breath, bad dizziness and light

> headedness,

> > head aches, aching chest at times, exhaustion,coughing,

sneezing,

> > unexplained sores and rashes etc.

> > Does the health dept ever intervene in situations?

> > We rent and our landlord says he has never heard of mold

> poisoning

> > before and is not interested in fixing anything even though

we've

> had

> > bad water damage from upstairs neighbors several time in the

last

> year

> > and you can see black mold in the bathroom and kitchen.

> > All they say is " spray bleach on it " which I know is

ineffective.

> > Thanks all

> > Kathy

> >

>

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Since nobody else has mentioned it, you need to move

out of that place ASAP. You can think of it as beingl

slowly poisoned. Tell the landlord you will get a

lawyer and sue for mold poisoning if he doesn't let

you out of the lease! Good luck, Judi

--- <dizzyblonde.kathy@...> wrote:

> Hi all

> Is there a list of mold poisoning symptoms anywhere

> on this list?

> Ours include: itchy eyes, nose throat. post nasal

> drip, crusted and

> gooey eyes, shortness of breath, bad dizziness and

> light headedness,

> head aches, aching chest at times,

> exhaustion,coughing, sneezing,

> unexplained sores and rashes etc.

> Does the health dept ever intervene in situations?

> We rent and our landlord says he has never heard of

> mold poisoning

> before and is not interested in fixing anything even

> though we've had

> bad water damage from upstairs neighbors several

> time in the last year

> and you can see black mold in the bathroom and

> kitchen.

> All they say is " spray bleach on it " which I know

> is ineffective.

> Thanks all

> Kathy

>

>

>

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Other ones..

I often get a burning, heated feeling in my skin on my face, ears and neck..

You can also see that I have a red face.. kind of a mask..

Blurry vision especially noticable at night - lasts several days after

heavy exposure, but eventually goes away.. makes it difficult to read,

focus on close things..

Ringing in the ears.. sometimes quite loud.. accompanies headaches..

tiredness, slowness of finding words.. memory problems..

Quickness to get carsick at the drop of a hat.. nausea, loss of

appetite.. extreme fatigue. Pain in liver/kidney areas.. (upper center

and right chest)

Wounds heal very slowly, esp. ones that are in places where they get

exposed to dust.. Sores..

Open bruises seem to last forever, problems on elbows, neck, nose

area, ears, panty leg area on women.. (where clothes rub or in

proximity to sinuses.. etc..)

Frequent urination, inability to sleep normally, visual flickering in

vision in complete darkness..(darkness is not completely dark.)

Smells.. earthy smell, wet wood smell, dusty smell..ammonia-y smell..

Dulling of the sense of smell.. Nasal congestion.. sometimes lasting

weeks without respite..

(I have found that chewable digestive enzyme tablets left to dissolve

in the back of the mouth.. head tilted back, sometimes helps open up

the estuchian tubes with this)

Rashes on chest.. sometimes with red spots..

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Hi

I know we need to move. Thanks for caring. It's hard to find places

here in Hawaii but we are trying.

Thanks for your concern.

Kathy

>

> > Hi all

> > Is there a list of mold poisoning symptoms anywhere

> > on this list?

> > Ours include: itchy eyes, nose throat. post nasal

> > drip, crusted and

> > gooey eyes, shortness of breath, bad dizziness and

> > light headedness,

> > head aches, aching chest at times,

> > exhaustion,coughing, sneezing,

> > unexplained sores and rashes etc.

> > Does the health dept ever intervene in situations?

> > We rent and our landlord says he has never heard of

> > mold poisoning

> > before and is not interested in fixing anything even

> > though we've had

> > bad water damage from upstairs neighbors several

> > time in the last year

> > and you can see black mold in the bathroom and

> > kitchen.

> > All they say is " spray bleach on it " which I know

> > is ineffective.

> > Thanks all

> > Kathy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Quack, are you listing your symptoms, or only mold symptoms in

general?

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> Other ones..

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> I often get a burning, heated feeling in my skin on my face, ears

and neck..

>

> You can also see that I have a red face.. kind of a mask..

>

> Blurry vision especially noticable at night - lasts several days

after

> heavy exposure, but eventually goes away.. makes it difficult to

read,

> focus on close things..

>

> Ringing in the ears.. sometimes quite loud.. accompanies

headaches..

> tiredness, slowness of finding words.. memory problems..

>

> Quickness to get carsick at the drop of a hat.. nausea, loss of

> appetite.. extreme fatigue. Pain in liver/kidney areas.. (upper

center

> and right chest)

>

> Wounds heal very slowly, esp. ones that are in places where they

get

> exposed to dust.. Sores..

>

> Open bruises seem to last forever, problems on elbows, neck, nose

> area, ears, panty leg area on women.. (where clothes rub or in

> proximity to sinuses.. etc..)

>

> Frequent urination, inability to sleep normally, visual flickering

in

> vision in complete darkness..(darkness is not completely dark.)

>

> Smells.. earthy smell, wet wood smell, dusty smell..ammonia-y

smell..

>

> Dulling of the sense of smell.. Nasal congestion.. sometimes

lasting

> weeks without respite..

> (I have found that chewable digestive enzyme tablets left to

dissolve

> in the back of the mouth.. head tilted back, sometimes helps open

up

> the estuchian tubes with this)

>

> Rashes on chest.. sometimes with red spots..

>

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I get that hot feeling in my face and ears and my face turns bright

red, and I get gooey stuff in my eyes upon waking. My husband has

the sores on his hands and neck. We all have rashes and red burning

in the area you mentioned.

I have difficulty finishin g a sentence ( can't think of the words

or have to catch my breath sometimes)

Not sure I mentioned those before...

Thankfully we are renting and are looking for another place.

>

> Other ones..

>

> I often get a burning, heated feeling in my skin on my face, ears

and neck..

>

> You can also see that I have a red face.. kind of a mask..

>

> Blurry vision especially noticable at night - lasts several days

after

> heavy exposure, but eventually goes away.. makes it difficult to

read,

> focus on close things..

>

> Ringing in the ears.. sometimes quite loud.. accompanies

headaches..

> tiredness, slowness of finding words.. memory problems..

>

> Quickness to get carsick at the drop of a hat.. nausea, loss of

> appetite.. extreme fatigue. Pain in liver/kidney areas.. (upper

center

> and right chest)

>

> Wounds heal very slowly, esp. ones that are in places where they

get

> exposed to dust.. Sores..

>

> Open bruises seem to last forever, problems on elbows, neck, nose

> area, ears, panty leg area on women.. (where clothes rub or in

> proximity to sinuses.. etc..)

>

> Frequent urination, inability to sleep normally, visual flickering

in

> vision in complete darkness..(darkness is not completely dark.)

>

> Smells.. earthy smell, wet wood smell, dusty smell..ammonia-y

smell..

>

> Dulling of the sense of smell.. Nasal congestion.. sometimes

lasting

> weeks without respite..

> (I have found that chewable digestive enzyme tablets left to

dissolve

> in the back of the mouth.. head tilted back, sometimes helps open

up

> the estuchian tubes with this)

>

> Rashes on chest.. sometimes with red spots..

>

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That is interesting about the red face, neck etc. I have that too

and thought I was having hotflashes from hormones. Now I don't know

which is causing it.

Rhonda

> >

> > Other ones..

> >

> > I often get a burning, heated feeling in my skin on my face, ears

> and neck..

> >

> > You can also see that I have a red face.. kind of a mask..

> >

> > Blurry vision especially noticable at night - lasts several days

> after

> > heavy exposure, but eventually goes away.. makes it difficult to

> read,

> > focus on close things..

> >

> > Ringing in the ears.. sometimes quite loud.. accompanies

> headaches..

> > tiredness, slowness of finding words.. memory problems..

> >

> > Quickness to get carsick at the drop of a hat.. nausea, loss of

> > appetite.. extreme fatigue. Pain in liver/kidney areas.. (upper

> center

> > and right chest)

> >

> > Wounds heal very slowly, esp. ones that are in places where they

> get

> > exposed to dust.. Sores..

> >

> > Open bruises seem to last forever, problems on elbows, neck, nose

> > area, ears, panty leg area on women.. (where clothes rub or in

> > proximity to sinuses.. etc..)

> >

> > Frequent urination, inability to sleep normally, visual

flickering

> in

> > vision in complete darkness..(darkness is not completely dark.)

> >

> > Smells.. earthy smell, wet wood smell, dusty smell..ammonia-y

> smell..

> >

> > Dulling of the sense of smell.. Nasal congestion.. sometimes

> lasting

> > weeks without respite..

> > (I have found that chewable digestive enzyme tablets left to

> dissolve

> > in the back of the mouth.. head tilted back, sometimes helps open

> up

> > the estuchian tubes with this)

> >

> > Rashes on chest.. sometimes with red spots..

> >

>

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