Got the one sample results today

[Guest guest]

Regional Waterproofing did one sample and used SanAir lab in

Richmond VA. From one sample of floor joist, I have Ascospores.

Ascomycete family are the sexual forms of Penicillum/Asspergillus,

Chaetomium sp., and Pleospora sp. This group contains possible

allergens, mycotoxin producers and opportunistic human pathogens.

Rain and high humidity may rupture the ascus, dispursing the spores,

which is why during these weather conditions there is a great

increase in counts. This class contains the " sac Fungi " and

yeasts. Some ascomycete spores can be identified by spore

morphology, however, some care should be excercised with regard to

specific identification. They are identified on tape lifts and

non-viable analysis by the fact that they have no attachment scars

and are sometimes enclosed in sheaths with or without sacs. These

are one of the major classes of fungal organisms.

Going to get cold here tonight and I'm NOT going to turn on the

heat!! Thankfully, it's gonna warm up again next week. Geez, it's

January ....

I'm being poisoned!!!!!

Rhonda

[Guest guest]

I had those too in my test results (Ascospores) but I didn't know this

other info..

Thank you

On 1/14/06, Rhonda <rhondaleokitty@...> wrote:

> Regional Waterproofing did one sample and used SanAir lab in

> Richmond VA. From one sample of floor joist, I have Ascospores.

> Ascomycete family are the sexual forms of Penicillum/Asspergillus,

> Chaetomium sp., and Pleospora sp. This group contains possible

> allergens, mycotoxin producers and opportunistic human pathogens.

> Rain and high humidity may rupture the ascus, dispursing the spores,

> which is why during these weather conditions there is a great

> increase in counts. This class contains the " sac Fungi " and

> yeasts. Some ascomycete spores can be identified by spore

> morphology, however, some care should be excercised with regard to

> specific identification. They are identified on tape lifts and

> non-viable analysis by the fact that they have no attachment scars

> and are sometimes enclosed in sheaths with or without sacs. These

> are one of the major classes of fungal organisms.

>

> Going to get cold here tonight and I'm NOT going to turn on the

> heat!! Thankfully, it's gonna warm up again next week. Geez, it's

> January ....

> I'm being poisoned!!!!!

>

> Rhonda

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

have been heating my entire house with one of those plug in

radiators. I move it from room to room, its the only heat that does

not hurt my lungs. Just remember not to try and ozone to kill the

mold- it will release its toxin all at once and will be bad.

Good luck

>

> Regional Waterproofing did one sample and used SanAir lab in

> Richmond VA. From one sample of floor joist, I have Ascospores.

> Ascomycete family are the sexual forms of Penicillum/Asspergillus,

> Chaetomium sp., and Pleospora sp. This group contains possible

> allergens, mycotoxin producers and opportunistic human pathogens.

> Rain and high humidity may rupture the ascus, dispursing the

spores,

> which is why during these weather conditions there is a great

> increase in counts. This class contains the " sac Fungi " and

> yeasts. Some ascomycete spores can be identified by spore

> morphology, however, some care should be excercised with regard to

> specific identification. They are identified on tape lifts and

> non-viable analysis by the fact that they have no attachment scars

> and are sometimes enclosed in sheaths with or without sacs.

These

> are one of the major classes of fungal organisms.

>

> Going to get cold here tonight and I'm NOT going to turn on the

> heat!! Thankfully, it's gonna warm up again next week. Geez, it's

> January ....

> I'm being poisoned!!!!!

>

> Rhonda

>

[Guest guest]

Rhonda,

Don't change your plans to fix the problems. And this may only create

more confusion for you, but it may still be helpful to understand

your lab results. And help us all see more clearly how mold sampling

can be used and how it is often misused.

Ascospores are not a type of mold itself. It is a category of spores

of over 3000 types of mold genera (plural of genus) primarily from

macro-fungi (visible) such as morels, truffles, cup fungi, ergot. It

also includes many micro-fungi (too small to see).

This is according to EMLab at:

www.emlab.com/app/fungi/Fungi.po?event=fungi & type=primary & species=4 & na

me=Ascospores

This is consistent with what you have said about building use,

history, long-term dampness and wood rot in the crawlspace (the

ecology of the fungal location - see previous post today). Especially

since the sample was taken from the joists in the crawlspace.

However, I could not find Pleospora on the SanAir lab site at:

www.sanair.com/fungal_library.htm

so I'm not sure of the source of information from Regional

Waterproofing.

Pleospora is not on Aerotech's site either at:

www.aerotechlabs.com/Infobase/resource.aspx?CatID=1

According to Dr Fungus at:

http://www.doctorfungus.org/thefungi/Description_index.htm

Pleospora is an obsolete synonym of a teleomorph of Alternaria

infectoria.

Wikipedia describes teleomorph as: In biology, fungi are placed into

particular taxa based on reproductive similarities... The teleomorph

name describes the fungus when reproducing sexually. The anamorph

names refers to the fungus when reproducing asexually.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleomorph

Penicillium is a deuteromycete which means it does not reproduce

sexually, contradicting the info given to you that the " Ascomycete

family are the sexual forms of Penicillum/Asspergillus... "

Wood rot mold and others associated with wood rot are much less

allergenic and toxic than Stachybotrys, Penicillium, Cladosporium and

other more common molds. I would not expect the ones found in your

testing to be the source of your very real complaints.

However, exposure to prolonged dampness in crawlspaces is notorious

for causing complaints, whether from other molds, bacteria, chemical

release from water damaged building materials, soil gasses (other

than radon) and who knows what else. It needs to be fixed regardless

of mold sample results - like you are planning to do. Also, don't

stop the crawlspace remediation just because there are no " toxic,

black " molds in the lab report.

Other possible locations of exposure, in addition to or instead of

the crawlspace, is the environment in the living area of the house

and if any dampness, gasses etc in the crawlspace is migrating into

your living space. If dampness, then the mold growth may be inside

the house.

I have some concerns about how Regional Waterproofing represented the

results to you. It sounds more like a sales pitch to convince you to

hire them and to justify their service than anything concerning

health effects.

HOWEVER, Rhonda, as I said above, DON'T STOP your crawlspace

remediation. It is still necessary. Your experience may be more of an

example of how inexact mold sampling and it interpretation can be,

how the environmental conditions are just as predictable and cheaper

than testing, and how the lab results are often mis-used. We all want

certainty. But not false certainty.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> Regional Waterproofing did one sample and used SanAir lab in

> Richmond VA. From one sample of floor joist, I have Ascospores.

> Ascomycete family are the sexual forms of Penicillum/Asspergillus,

> Chaetomium sp., and Pleospora sp. This group contains possible

> allergens, mycotoxin producers and opportunistic human pathogens.

> Rain and high humidity may rupture the ascus, dispursing the spores,

> which is why during these weather conditions there is a great increase

> in counts. This class contains the " sac Fungi " and yeasts. Some

> ascomycete spores can be identified by spore morphology, however, some

> care should be excercised with regard to specific identification.

> They are identified on tape lifts and non-viable analysis by the fact

> that they have no attachment scars and are sometimes enclosed in

> sheaths with or without sacs. These are one of the major classes of

> fungal organisms.

>

> Going to get cold here tonight and I'm NOT going to turn on the

> heat!! Thankfully, it's gonna warm up again next week. Geez, it's

> January .... I'm being poisoned!!!!!

>

> Rhonda

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know this is just one sample. The results came from SanAir

Technologies Laborotory. It's nothing that Reg. Wat. wrote out.

The part saying sexual forms is talking the

Penicillium/Aspergillus. Then says Chaetomium sp. and Pleospora

sp. this group contains possible allergens, mycotoxin producers and

opportunistic human pathogens. Think it's talking all these groups

can contains....

I don't plan to stop waterproofing etc but still can't find anyone

to remove the mold. One place claims removes but uses modec and

doesn't include encapsulation or nothing and charges $5000 so can't

use them and waterproof and replace HVAC and insulation. I'm

already up to $10,000.

I called the attorney I talked to before so hoping he can suggest

someone and call me back this week.

I wish when people put website here I can click on them. Writing

that huge link isn't fun.

I may still have industrial hygenist come and test and test walls if

I can the right one. They all start at $1200.

Rhonda

--- In , " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@h...>

wrote:

>

> Rhonda,

>

> Don't change your plans to fix the problems. And this may only

create

> more confusion for you, but it may still be helpful to understand

> your lab results. And help us all see more clearly how mold

sampling

> can be used and how it is often misused.

>

> Ascospores are not a type of mold itself. It is a category of

spores

> of over 3000 types of mold genera (plural of genus) primarily from

> macro-fungi (visible) such as morels, truffles, cup fungi, ergot.

It

> also includes many micro-fungi (too small to see).

> This is according to EMLab at:

> www.emlab.com/app/fungi/Fungi.po?

event=fungi & type=primary & species=4 & na

> me=Ascospores

>

> This is consistent with what you have said about building use,

> history, long-term dampness and wood rot in the crawlspace (the

> ecology of the fungal location - see previous post today).

Especially

> since the sample was taken from the joists in the crawlspace.

>

> However, I could not find Pleospora on the SanAir lab site at:

> www.sanair.com/fungal_library.htm

> so I'm not sure of the source of information from Regional

> Waterproofing.

>

> Pleospora is not on Aerotech's site either at:

> www.aerotechlabs.com/Infobase/resource.aspx?CatID=1

>

> According to Dr Fungus at:

> http://www.doctorfungus.org/thefungi/Description_index.htm

> Pleospora is an obsolete synonym of a teleomorph of Alternaria

> infectoria.

>

> Wikipedia describes teleomorph as: In biology, fungi are placed

into

> particular taxa based on reproductive similarities... The

teleomorph

> name describes the fungus when reproducing sexually. The anamorph

> names refers to the fungus when reproducing asexually.

> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleomorph

>

> Penicillium is a deuteromycete which means it does not reproduce

> sexually, contradicting the info given to you that the " Ascomycete

> family are the sexual forms of Penicillum/Asspergillus... "

>

> Wood rot mold and others associated with wood rot are much less

> allergenic and toxic than Stachybotrys, Penicillium, Cladosporium

and

> other more common molds. I would not expect the ones found in your

> testing to be the source of your very real complaints.

>

> However, exposure to prolonged dampness in crawlspaces is

notorious

> for causing complaints, whether from other molds, bacteria,

chemical

> release from water damaged building materials, soil gasses (other

> than radon) and who knows what else. It needs to be fixed

regardless

> of mold sample results - like you are planning to do. Also, don't

> stop the crawlspace remediation just because there are no " toxic,

> black " molds in the lab report.

>

> Other possible locations of exposure, in addition to or instead of

> the crawlspace, is the environment in the living area of the house

> and if any dampness, gasses etc in the crawlspace is migrating

into

> your living space. If dampness, then the mold growth may be inside

> the house.

>

> I have some concerns about how Regional Waterproofing represented

the

> results to you. It sounds more like a sales pitch to convince you

to

> hire them and to justify their service than anything concerning

> health effects.

>

> HOWEVER, Rhonda, as I said above, DON'T STOP your crawlspace

> remediation. It is still necessary. Your experience may be more of

an

> example of how inexact mold sampling and it interpretation can be,

> how the environmental conditions are just as predictable and

cheaper

> than testing, and how the lab results are often mis-used. We all

want

> certainty. But not false certainty.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

> -----

> > Regional Waterproofing did one sample and used SanAir lab in

> > Richmond VA. From one sample of floor joist, I have

Ascospores.

> > Ascomycete family are the sexual forms of

Penicillum/Asspergillus,

> > Chaetomium sp., and Pleospora sp. This group contains possible

> > allergens, mycotoxin producers and opportunistic human

pathogens.

> > Rain and high humidity may rupture the ascus, dispursing the

spores,

> > which is why during these weather conditions there is a great

increase

> > in counts. This class contains the " sac Fungi " and yeasts. Some

> > ascomycete spores can be identified by spore morphology,

however, some

> > care should be excercised with regard to specific

identification.

> > They are identified on tape lifts and non-viable analysis by

the fact

> > that they have no attachment scars and are sometimes enclosed in

> > sheaths with or without sacs. These are one of the major

classes of

> > fungal organisms.

> >

> > Going to get cold here tonight and I'm NOT going to turn on the

> > heat!! Thankfully, it's gonna warm up again next week. Geez,

it's

> > January .... I'm being poisoned!!!!!

> >

> > Rhonda

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

KC did give me a list from the IAQA NC CMR list. I see Cary

Recontruction on there and he is the guy that told me I had mold in

my plenum when changing an air duct last year. If he's a mold

remediation company too, seems he would have wanted my business. I

also after using him for replacing my air duct, heard he has bad

claims against him. I may call just to see what he does with mold

b/c some of these so called remediaton compainies are using modec

and anabec and whatever and say they kill the mold or seal it. Most

are not removing anything. Servpro did say they Hepa vac and dry

the air but after all there, they only put a plastic vapor barrier

which I have had for 12 years and did nothing. No matter if I find

a place to remove, I have to still waterproof, replace insulation,

and HVAC and I can't afford all that. Servpro said $5000 to remove

and I really can't see why hepa vaccuming wood is that expensive.

Reg. Wat. is going to drill holes in centerblocks also to let the

water drain too.

Ok, gotta go clean out crawl space and throw out some things and

wash some things. I have some charcoal that hasn't been opened.

Can that be kept? Wipe the bag off.. I also have carbon that goes

to my water purifier tank that's in a big plastic bag and has a

twist tie on it. I figure spores are on everything under there. No

telling what I'll find under there. I got a N95 mask to wear.

Rhonda

Rhonda

--- In , " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@h...>

wrote:

>

> Rhonda,

>

> Don't change your plans to fix the problems. And this may only

create

> more confusion for you, but it may still be helpful to understand

> your lab results. And help us all see more clearly how mold

sampling

> can be used and how it is often misused.

>

> Ascospores are not a type of mold itself. It is a category of

spores

> of over 3000 types of mold genera (plural of genus) primarily from

> macro-fungi (visible) such as morels, truffles, cup fungi, ergot.

It

> also includes many micro-fungi (too small to see).

> This is according to EMLab at:

> www.emlab.com/app/fungi/Fungi.po?

event=fungi & type=primary & species=4 & na

> me=Ascospores

>

> This is consistent with what you have said about building use,

> history, long-term dampness and wood rot in the crawlspace (the

> ecology of the fungal location - see previous post today).

Especially

> since the sample was taken from the joists in the crawlspace.

>

> However, I could not find Pleospora on the SanAir lab site at:

> www.sanair.com/fungal_library.htm

> so I'm not sure of the source of information from Regional

> Waterproofing.

>

> Pleospora is not on Aerotech's site either at:

> www.aerotechlabs.com/Infobase/resource.aspx?CatID=1

>

> According to Dr Fungus at:

> http://www.doctorfungus.org/thefungi/Description_index.htm

> Pleospora is an obsolete synonym of a teleomorph of Alternaria

> infectoria.

>

> Wikipedia describes teleomorph as: In biology, fungi are placed

into

> particular taxa based on reproductive similarities... The

teleomorph

> name describes the fungus when reproducing sexually. The anamorph

> names refers to the fungus when reproducing asexually.

> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleomorph

>

> Penicillium is a deuteromycete which means it does not reproduce

> sexually, contradicting the info given to you that the " Ascomycete

> family are the sexual forms of Penicillum/Asspergillus... "

>

> Wood rot mold and others associated with wood rot are much less

> allergenic and toxic than Stachybotrys, Penicillium, Cladosporium

and

> other more common molds. I would not expect the ones found in your

> testing to be the source of your very real complaints.

>

> However, exposure to prolonged dampness in crawlspaces is

notorious

> for causing complaints, whether from other molds, bacteria,

chemical

> release from water damaged building materials, soil gasses (other

> than radon) and who knows what else. It needs to be fixed

regardless

> of mold sample results - like you are planning to do. Also, don't

> stop the crawlspace remediation just because there are no " toxic,

> black " molds in the lab report.

>

> Other possible locations of exposure, in addition to or instead of

> the crawlspace, is the environment in the living area of the house

> and if any dampness, gasses etc in the crawlspace is migrating

into

> your living space. If dampness, then the mold growth may be inside

> the house.

>

> I have some concerns about how Regional Waterproofing represented

the

> results to you. It sounds more like a sales pitch to convince you

to

> hire them and to justify their service than anything concerning

> health effects.

>

> HOWEVER, Rhonda, as I said above, DON'T STOP your crawlspace

> remediation. It is still necessary. Your experience may be more of

an

> example of how inexact mold sampling and it interpretation can be,

> how the environmental conditions are just as predictable and

cheaper

> than testing, and how the lab results are often mis-used. We all

want

> certainty. But not false certainty.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

> -----

> > Regional Waterproofing did one sample and used SanAir lab in

> > Richmond VA. From one sample of floor joist, I have

Ascospores.

> > Ascomycete family are the sexual forms of

Penicillum/Asspergillus,

> > Chaetomium sp., and Pleospora sp. This group contains possible

> > allergens, mycotoxin producers and opportunistic human

pathogens.

> > Rain and high humidity may rupture the ascus, dispursing the

spores,

> > which is why during these weather conditions there is a great

increase

> > in counts. This class contains the " sac Fungi " and yeasts. Some

> > ascomycete spores can be identified by spore morphology,

however, some

> > care should be excercised with regard to specific

identification.

> > They are identified on tape lifts and non-viable analysis by

the fact

> > that they have no attachment scars and are sometimes enclosed in

> > sheaths with or without sacs. These are one of the major

classes of

> > fungal organisms.

> >

> > Going to get cold here tonight and I'm NOT going to turn on the

> > heat!! Thankfully, it's gonna warm up again next week. Geez,

it's

> > January .... I'm being poisoned!!!!!

> >

> > Rhonda

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

-I can't see why hepa vacuming wood would do any good.

-- In , " Rhonda "

<rhondaleokitty@h...> wrote:

>

> KC did give me a list from the IAQA NC CMR list. I see Cary

> Recontruction on there and he is the guy that told me I had mold

in

> my plenum when changing an air duct last year. If he's a mold

> remediation company too, seems he would have wanted my business.

I

> also after using him for replacing my air duct, heard he has bad

> claims against him. I may call just to see what he does with

mold

> b/c some of these so called remediaton compainies are using modec

> and anabec and whatever and say they kill the mold or seal it.

Most

> are not removing anything. Servpro did say they Hepa vac and dry

> the air but after all there, they only put a plastic vapor barrier

> which I have had for 12 years and did nothing. No matter if I

find

> a place to remove, I have to still waterproof, replace insulation,

> and HVAC and I can't afford all that. Servpro said $5000 to

remove

> and I really can't see why hepa vaccuming wood is that expensive.

> Reg. Wat. is going to drill holes in centerblocks also to let the

> water drain too.

>

> Ok, gotta go clean out crawl space and throw out some things and

> wash some things. I have some charcoal that hasn't been opened.

> Can that be kept? Wipe the bag off.. I also have carbon that goes

> to my water purifier tank that's in a big plastic bag and has a

> twist tie on it. I figure spores are on everything under there.

No

> telling what I'll find under there. I got a N95 mask to wear.

>

> Rhonda

>

> Rhonda

>

>

>

> >

> > Rhonda,

> >

> > Don't change your plans to fix the problems. And this may only

> create

> > more confusion for you, but it may still be helpful to

understand

> > your lab results. And help us all see more clearly how mold

> sampling

> > can be used and how it is often misused.

> >

> > Ascospores are not a type of mold itself. It is a category of

> spores

> > of over 3000 types of mold genera (plural of genus) primarily

from

> > macro-fungi (visible) such as morels, truffles, cup fungi,

ergot.

> It

> > also includes many micro-fungi (too small to see).

> > This is according to EMLab at:

> > www.emlab.com/app/fungi/Fungi.po?

> event=fungi & type=primary & species=4 & na

> > me=Ascospores

> >

> > This is consistent with what you have said about building use,

> > history, long-term dampness and wood rot in the crawlspace (the

> > ecology of the fungal location - see previous post today).

> Especially

> > since the sample was taken from the joists in the crawlspace.

> >

> > However, I could not find Pleospora on the SanAir lab site at:

> > www.sanair.com/fungal_library.htm

> > so I'm not sure of the source of information from Regional

> > Waterproofing.

> >

> > Pleospora is not on Aerotech's site either at:

> > www.aerotechlabs.com/Infobase/resource.aspx?CatID=1

> >

> > According to Dr Fungus at:

> > http://www.doctorfungus.org/thefungi/Description_index.htm

> > Pleospora is an obsolete synonym of a teleomorph of Alternaria

> > infectoria.

> >

> > Wikipedia describes teleomorph as: In biology, fungi are placed

> into

> > particular taxa based on reproductive similarities... The

> teleomorph

> > name describes the fungus when reproducing sexually. The

anamorph

> > names refers to the fungus when reproducing asexually.

> > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleomorph

> >

> > Penicillium is a deuteromycete which means it does not reproduce

> > sexually, contradicting the info given to you that

the " Ascomycete

> > family are the sexual forms of Penicillum/Asspergillus... "

> >

> > Wood rot mold and others associated with wood rot are much less

> > allergenic and toxic than Stachybotrys, Penicillium,

Cladosporium

> and

> > other more common molds. I would not expect the ones found in

your

> > testing to be the source of your very real complaints.

> >

> > However, exposure to prolonged dampness in crawlspaces is

> notorious

> > for causing complaints, whether from other molds, bacteria,

> chemical

> > release from water damaged building materials, soil gasses

(other

> > than radon) and who knows what else. It needs to be fixed

> regardless

> > of mold sample results - like you are planning to do. Also,

don't

> > stop the crawlspace remediation just because there are

no " toxic,

> > black " molds in the lab report.

> >

> > Other possible locations of exposure, in addition to or instead

of

> > the crawlspace, is the environment in the living area of the

house

> > and if any dampness, gasses etc in the crawlspace is migrating

> into

> > your living space. If dampness, then the mold growth may be

inside

> > the house.

> >

> > I have some concerns about how Regional Waterproofing

represented

> the

> > results to you. It sounds more like a sales pitch to convince

you

> to

> > hire them and to justify their service than anything concerning

> > health effects.

> >

> > HOWEVER, Rhonda, as I said above, DON'T STOP your crawlspace

> > remediation. It is still necessary. Your experience may be more

of

> an

> > example of how inexact mold sampling and it interpretation can

be,

> > how the environmental conditions are just as predictable and

> cheaper

> > than testing, and how the lab results are often mis-used. We all

> want

> > certainty. But not false certainty.

> >

> > Carl Grimes

> > Healthy Habitats LLC

> >

> > -----

> > > Regional Waterproofing did one sample and used SanAir lab in

> > > Richmond VA. From one sample of floor joist, I have

> Ascospores.

> > > Ascomycete family are the sexual forms of

> Penicillum/Asspergillus,

> > > Chaetomium sp., and Pleospora sp. This group contains

possible

> > > allergens, mycotoxin producers and opportunistic human

> pathogens.

> > > Rain and high humidity may rupture the ascus, dispursing the

> spores,

> > > which is why during these weather conditions there is a great

> increase

> > > in counts. This class contains the " sac Fungi " and yeasts.

Some

> > > ascomycete spores can be identified by spore morphology,

> however, some

> > > care should be excercised with regard to specific

> identification.

> > > They are identified on tape lifts and non-viable analysis by

> the fact

> > > that they have no attachment scars and are sometimes enclosed

in

> > > sheaths with or without sacs. These are one of the major

> classes of

> > > fungal organisms.

> > >

> > > Going to get cold here tonight and I'm NOT going to turn on

the

> > > heat!! Thankfully, it's gonna warm up again next week. Geez,

> it's

> > > January .... I'm being poisoned!!!!!

> > >

> > > Rhonda

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

,

One of the S520 principles of removing mold is to control it at the

source so it doesn't get airborne, expose the workers and cross-

contaminate the building during aggressive cleaning or removal. HEPA

vacuuming is the easiest, quickest way to remove the loose, fuzzy

stuff/spores and capture them in the HEPA filter. There is much, much

less left on the surfaces to become airborne during additional, more

aggressive cleaning of wood like sanding, wire brushing, ice

blasting, etc. It helps even if the wood is going to be cut out and

removed from the work area (wrapped in plastic, of course).

HEPA vacuuming is one step in a sequence of mold removal steps.

Because none of the steps by themselves are definitive, using them

together increases the chances of sufficient removal, decreases the

chances of occupant exposure and decreases exposure to the workers.

Careful sequential cleaning inside containment by workers with proper

personal protection is what increases the cost. But without it, you

are left with increased exposures and potential for continued illness

- which is one of the 2 or 3 biggest complaints by victims.

Not following a carefully defined sequence - and paying for it - is

like having surgery by a back-alley doctor that doesn't wash his

hands. Clean hands don't open skin better than dirty hands, but the

principles of hygiene are critical.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> -I can't see why hepa vacuming wood would do any good.

> -- In , " Rhonda "

> <rhondaleokitty@h...> wrote:

[Guest guest]

-Sounds great, I thought she was suggesting that they were going to

only hepa vacume

-- In , " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@h...>

wrote:

>

> ,

>

> One of the S520 principles of removing mold is to control it at

the

> source so it doesn't get airborne, expose the workers and cross-

> contaminate the building during aggressive cleaning or removal.

HEPA

> vacuuming is the easiest, quickest way to remove the loose, fuzzy

> stuff/spores and capture them in the HEPA filter. There is much,

much

> less left on the surfaces to become airborne during additional,

more

> aggressive cleaning of wood like sanding, wire brushing, ice

> blasting, etc. It helps even if the wood is going to be cut out

and

> removed from the work area (wrapped in plastic, of course).

>

> HEPA vacuuming is one step in a sequence of mold removal steps.

> Because none of the steps by themselves are definitive, using them

> together increases the chances of sufficient removal, decreases

the

> chances of occupant exposure and decreases exposure to the workers.

>

> Careful sequential cleaning inside containment by workers with

proper

> personal protection is what increases the cost. But without it,

you

> are left with increased exposures and potential for continued

illness

> - which is one of the 2 or 3 biggest complaints by victims.

>

> Not following a carefully defined sequence - and paying for it -

is

> like having surgery by a back-alley doctor that doesn't wash his

> hands. Clean hands don't open skin better than dirty hands, but

the

> principles of hygiene are critical.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

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> > -I can't see why hepa vacuming wood would do any good.

> > -- In , " Rhonda "

> > <rhondaleokitty@h...> wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

sort of semi-related..

Yes, HEPA-vacumning is good, but it also stirs up 'stuff'.. Not as

much as conventional vacuming.. but enough to make me really tired..

I am lucky enough to have a HEPA vaccumn that allows you to also

channel the post-filtered exhaust through a hose.. (it doubles as a

leaf blower..or something like that. )

Now, when I vaccumn, I stick that hose out a window - and seal the

crack in the window that allows the hose to exit with duct tape..

It makes a BIG difference! Those HEPA filters let a lot of stuff

through.. If I just vacumn and don't exhaust out the window, I get

sick..

But - the hose limits where I can vaccumn.. I need to get a much

longer exhaust hose.. preferably a smooth/cleanable one.

Any ideas where to find them?